Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates "is deprecated" noise
On Sünndag 07 August 2005 20:26, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
> Oh, I'm being an idiot and looking at the wrong tree. It's __deprecated,
> but I still can't think of a clean way to locally undefine that for
> just EXPORT_SYMBOL.
We could in theory create a new EXPORT_SYMBOL variant that does not
reference the symbol directly. This does a little less compile-time
checks but helps reduce the noise. The big advantage of this
would be that we could once again build kernels with -Werror on
developer machines.
Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
diff --git a/include/linux/module.h b/include/linux/module.h
--- a/include/linux/module.h
+++ b/include/linux/module.h
@@ -182,21 +182,26 @@ void *__symbol_get_gpl(const char *symbo
#endif
/* For every exported symbol, place a struct in the __ksymtab section */
-#define __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, sec) \
- __CRC_SYMBOL(sym, sec) \
- static const char __kstrtab_##sym[] \
+#define __EXPORT_SYMBOL(name, sym, sec)\
+ __CRC_SYMBOL(name, sec) \
+ static const char __kstrtab_##name[]\
__attribute__((section("__ksymtab_strings"))) \
- = MODULE_SYMBOL_PREFIX #sym;\
- static const struct kernel_symbol __ksymtab_##sym \
+ = MODULE_SYMBOL_PREFIX #name; \
+ static const struct kernel_symbol __ksymtab_##name \
__attribute_used__ \
__attribute__((section("__ksymtab" sec), unused)) \
- = { (unsigned long), __kstrtab_##sym }
+ = { (unsigned long), __kstrtab_##name }
#define EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym) \
- __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, "")
+ __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, sym, "")
#define EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(sym) \
- __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, "_gpl")
+ __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, sym, "_gpl")
+
+#define EXPORT_DEPRECATED_SYMBOL(sym) \
+ extern void __deprecated_ ## sym\
+ __attribute__((alias(#sym))); \
+ __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, __deprecated_ ## sym, "_gpl")
#endif
-
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Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates "is deprecated" noise
On Sunday 07 August 2005 22:15, Russell King wrote: > On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:07:59AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: > > I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: > > > > drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated > > (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) > > > > Which is just: "EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial);" > > > > Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. > > Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) > > but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function > > goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors > > and warnings. > > I don't know why I bother with __deprecated - I haven't seen much > evidence of the users of these functions being cleaned up, so I > think we might as well just delete the functions and _force_ people > to fix their code. That unfortunately seems to be the only way to > get things done in this day and age, which is rather sad if that's > what it takes to kick people into action. Was it ever different? -- vda - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates is deprecated noise
On Sunday 07 August 2005 22:15, Russell King wrote: On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:07:59AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) Which is just: EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial); Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors and warnings. I don't know why I bother with __deprecated - I haven't seen much evidence of the users of these functions being cleaned up, so I think we might as well just delete the functions and _force_ people to fix their code. That unfortunately seems to be the only way to get things done in this day and age, which is rather sad if that's what it takes to kick people into action. Was it ever different? -- vda - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates is deprecated noise
On Sünndag 07 August 2005 20:26, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
Oh, I'm being an idiot and looking at the wrong tree. It's __deprecated,
but I still can't think of a clean way to locally undefine that for
just EXPORT_SYMBOL.
We could in theory create a new EXPORT_SYMBOL variant that does not
reference the symbol directly. This does a little less compile-time
checks but helps reduce the noise. The big advantage of this
would be that we could once again build kernels with -Werror on
developer machines.
Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
diff --git a/include/linux/module.h b/include/linux/module.h
--- a/include/linux/module.h
+++ b/include/linux/module.h
@@ -182,21 +182,26 @@ void *__symbol_get_gpl(const char *symbo
#endif
/* For every exported symbol, place a struct in the __ksymtab section */
-#define __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, sec) \
- __CRC_SYMBOL(sym, sec) \
- static const char __kstrtab_##sym[] \
+#define __EXPORT_SYMBOL(name, sym, sec)\
+ __CRC_SYMBOL(name, sec) \
+ static const char __kstrtab_##name[]\
__attribute__((section(__ksymtab_strings))) \
- = MODULE_SYMBOL_PREFIX #sym;\
- static const struct kernel_symbol __ksymtab_##sym \
+ = MODULE_SYMBOL_PREFIX #name; \
+ static const struct kernel_symbol __ksymtab_##name \
__attribute_used__ \
__attribute__((section(__ksymtab sec), unused)) \
- = { (unsigned long)sym, __kstrtab_##sym }
+ = { (unsigned long)sym, __kstrtab_##name }
#define EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym) \
- __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, )
+ __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, sym, )
#define EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(sym) \
- __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, _gpl)
+ __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, sym, _gpl)
+
+#define EXPORT_DEPRECATED_SYMBOL(sym) \
+ extern void __deprecated_ ## sym\
+ __attribute__((alias(#sym))); \
+ __EXPORT_SYMBOL(sym, __deprecated_ ## sym, _gpl)
#endif
-
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Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates "is deprecated" noise
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:07:59AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: > I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: > > drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated > (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) > > Which is just: "EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial);" > > Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. > Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) > but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function > goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors > and warnings. I don't know why I bother with __deprecated - I haven't seen much evidence of the users of these functions being cleaned up, so I think we might as well just delete the functions and _force_ people to fix their code. That unfortunately seems to be the only way to get things done in this day and age, which is rather sad if that's what it takes to kick people into action. -- Russell King Linux kernel2.6 ARM Linux - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ maintainer of: 2.6 Serial core - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates "is deprecated" noise
>> If it's going to spout crap when I'm not even using the deprecated >> function, it's worse than useless, I'm afraid. >> ... > > It's reminding us that we are still offering a deprecated function. ;-) Might be useful as an option. But not to irritate every poor sod who does a kernel compile, ever. M. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates "is deprecated" noise
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:55:16AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: > > > --Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Sunday, August 07, 2005 20:23:12 > +0200): > > > On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:07:59AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: > >> I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: > >> > >> drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated > >> (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) > >> > >> Which is just: "EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial);" > >> > >> Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. > >> Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) > >> but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function > >> goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors > >> and warnings. > >> > >> I took a quick poke around, but can't see what generates this stuff. > >> What is doing these checks, and can we please make an exception for > >> EXPORT_SYMBOL (and EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL) somehow? > > > > This is generated by the __deprecated marker (#define'd to > > __attribute__((deprecated)) ) at the prototype in > > include/linux/serial.h. > > > > You could somehow #ifdef the warning away, but IMHO this would be more > > ugly than living with the warning until the last user is gone. > > If it's going to spout crap when I'm not even using the deprecated > function, it's worse than useless, I'm afraid. >... It's reminding us that we are still offering a deprecated function. ;-) > M. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates "is deprecated" noise
--Adrian Bunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Sunday, August 07, 2005 20:23:12 +0200): > On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:07:59AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: >> I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: >> >> drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated >> (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) >> >> Which is just: "EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial);" >> >> Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. >> Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) >> but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function >> goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors >> and warnings. >> >> I took a quick poke around, but can't see what generates this stuff. >> What is doing these checks, and can we please make an exception for >> EXPORT_SYMBOL (and EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL) somehow? > > This is generated by the __deprecated marker (#define'd to > __attribute__((deprecated)) ) at the prototype in > include/linux/serial.h. > > You could somehow #ifdef the warning away, but IMHO this would be more > ugly than living with the warning until the last user is gone. If it's going to spout crap when I'm not even using the deprecated function, it's worse than useless, I'm afraid. I tried some "smart" nested definitions to just wrap it inside EXPORT_SYMBOL, but the ordering of evaluation is all wrong. Bah ;-( M. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates "is deprecated" noise
--"Martin J. Bligh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote (on Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:07:59 -0700): > I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: > > drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated > (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) > > Which is just: "EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial);" > > Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. > Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) > but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function > goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors > and warnings. > > I took a quick poke around, but can't see what generates this stuff. > What is doing these checks, and can we please make an exception for > EXPORT_SYMBOL (and EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL) somehow? Oh, I'm being an idiot and looking at the wrong tree. It's __deprecated, but I still can't think of a clean way to locally undefine that for just EXPORT_SYMBOL. M. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates "is deprecated" noise
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:07:59AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: > I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: > > drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated > (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) > > Which is just: "EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial);" > > Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. > Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) > but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function > goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors > and warnings. > > I took a quick poke around, but can't see what generates this stuff. > What is doing these checks, and can we please make an exception for > EXPORT_SYMBOL (and EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL) somehow? This is generated by the __deprecated marker (#define'd to __attribute__((deprecated)) ) at the prototype in include/linux/serial.h. You could somehow #ifdef the warning away, but IMHO this would be more ugly than living with the warning until the last user is gone. > M. cu Adrian -- "Is there not promise of rain?" Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. "Only a promise," Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
EXPORT_SYMBOL generates "is deprecated" noise
I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) Which is just: "EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial);" Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors and warnings. I took a quick poke around, but can't see what generates this stuff. What is doing these checks, and can we please make an exception for EXPORT_SYMBOL (and EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL) somehow? M. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
EXPORT_SYMBOL generates is deprecated noise
I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) Which is just: EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial); Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors and warnings. I took a quick poke around, but can't see what generates this stuff. What is doing these checks, and can we please make an exception for EXPORT_SYMBOL (and EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL) somehow? M. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates is deprecated noise
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:07:59AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) Which is just: EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial); Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors and warnings. I took a quick poke around, but can't see what generates this stuff. What is doing these checks, and can we please make an exception for EXPORT_SYMBOL (and EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL) somehow? This is generated by the __deprecated marker (#define'd to __attribute__((deprecated)) ) at the prototype in include/linux/serial.h. You could somehow #ifdef the warning away, but IMHO this would be more ugly than living with the warning until the last user is gone. M. cu Adrian -- Is there not promise of rain? Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. Only a promise, Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates is deprecated noise
--Martin J. Bligh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Sunday, August 07, 2005 11:07:59 -0700): I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) Which is just: EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial); Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors and warnings. I took a quick poke around, but can't see what generates this stuff. What is doing these checks, and can we please make an exception for EXPORT_SYMBOL (and EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL) somehow? Oh, I'm being an idiot and looking at the wrong tree. It's __deprecated, but I still can't think of a clean way to locally undefine that for just EXPORT_SYMBOL. M. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates is deprecated noise
--Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Sunday, August 07, 2005 20:23:12 +0200): On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:07:59AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) Which is just: EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial); Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors and warnings. I took a quick poke around, but can't see what generates this stuff. What is doing these checks, and can we please make an exception for EXPORT_SYMBOL (and EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL) somehow? This is generated by the __deprecated marker (#define'd to __attribute__((deprecated)) ) at the prototype in include/linux/serial.h. You could somehow #ifdef the warning away, but IMHO this would be more ugly than living with the warning until the last user is gone. If it's going to spout crap when I'm not even using the deprecated function, it's worse than useless, I'm afraid. I tried some smart nested definitions to just wrap it inside EXPORT_SYMBOL, but the ordering of evaluation is all wrong. Bah ;-( M. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates is deprecated noise
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:55:16AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: --Adrian Bunk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote (on Sunday, August 07, 2005 20:23:12 +0200): On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:07:59AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) Which is just: EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial); Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors and warnings. I took a quick poke around, but can't see what generates this stuff. What is doing these checks, and can we please make an exception for EXPORT_SYMBOL (and EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL) somehow? This is generated by the __deprecated marker (#define'd to __attribute__((deprecated)) ) at the prototype in include/linux/serial.h. You could somehow #ifdef the warning away, but IMHO this would be more ugly than living with the warning until the last user is gone. If it's going to spout crap when I'm not even using the deprecated function, it's worse than useless, I'm afraid. ... It's reminding us that we are still offering a deprecated function. ;-) M. cu Adrian -- Is there not promise of rain? Ling Tan asked suddenly out of the darkness. There had been need of rain for many days. Only a promise, Lao Er said. Pearl S. Buck - Dragon Seed - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates is deprecated noise
If it's going to spout crap when I'm not even using the deprecated function, it's worse than useless, I'm afraid. ... It's reminding us that we are still offering a deprecated function. ;-) Might be useful as an option. But not to irritate every poor sod who does a kernel compile, ever. M. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: EXPORT_SYMBOL generates is deprecated noise
On Sun, Aug 07, 2005 at 11:07:59AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: I'm getting lots of errors like this nowadays: drivers/serial/8250.c:2651: warning: `register_serial' is deprecated (declared at drivers/serial/8250.c:2607) Which is just: EXPORT_SYMBOL(register_serial); Sorry, but that's just compile-time noise, not anything useful. Warning on real usages of it might be handy (we can go fix the users) but not EXPORT_SYMBOL - we can't kill the export until the function goes away. The more noise we have, the harder it is to see real errors and warnings. I don't know why I bother with __deprecated - I haven't seen much evidence of the users of these functions being cleaned up, so I think we might as well just delete the functions and _force_ people to fix their code. That unfortunately seems to be the only way to get things done in this day and age, which is rather sad if that's what it takes to kick people into action. -- Russell King Linux kernel2.6 ARM Linux - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/ maintainer of: 2.6 Serial core - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
