Not Linux, Not Lignux - LSDix
I hereby propose that Linux be renamed LSDix. And that the new Fertility Software Foundation song be: Birds and Bees, by Pål Stenbrenden. fellow hallucinogen user. http://ovekarlsen.com/tmp/p%e5l-stenbrenden_birds-and-bees(union-studio).mp3 Case solved. PBWY. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Not Linux, Not Lignux - LSDix
I hereby propose that Linux be renamed LSDix. And that the new Fertility Software Foundation song be: Birds and Bees, by Pål Stenbrenden. fellow hallucinogen user. http://ovekarlsen.com/tmp/p%e5l-stenbrenden_birds-and-bees(union-studio).mp3 Case solved. PBWY. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
I am realizing that Linux-brats are vere very much like abusive mushroom users aren´t they. I did ressearch on this, and that is where I have seen that behaviour before. Obviously only having them in the environment is influental, as I doubt they all do mushrooms. This will be included on my http://ovekarlsen.com/Blog/psychiatry-refuted/ refuted post. That is the root of the problem. Peace Be With You. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
And.. actually in commercial constructs one is also abused, but atleast one gets money. In open-source, or particulary Stallman idolaters, one is only abused. No limiter-awards, where technical excellence is recognized, because "the algorithm does this and that, and this is optimal". None of that. Just - NOT GPL? WE ARE GONNA ABUSE YOU DOOD. This is as I am trying to explain common for idolatry, and not GPL ofcourse. Open-source seemed very interesting at one point. Atleast small plugins like mine, are nice to have as open-source. But already only after a few years, and gone through stages, and understood so many things many people are talking about, and the complains about linux-circle behaviour. It has ofcourse nothing to do with being free. ;) Hey, I don´t care. If God does not want, that is fine. I can drop it. Peace Be With You! -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
Just to be clear, no idolatry. At all. Anyways I am just going to use windows here, and maybe even get an E5 mac. It has logic audio, which I think is perfectly fine. I am almost nervous to contribute to this, seeing as much obscurity as it is. People will have to choose a solution good for them. If it makes sense. Not for some reason of idolatry, or slaving away for nothing. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
On 1/7/2014 9:52 PM, Richard Dunn wrote: In case you missed it, Phoronix covered your original email. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=MTU1MTI Phoronix is not a serious newsplace. I did think about the problem some more. Maybe the whole Microkernel debate is an ego-issue too, really of control of information. What would an additional JSR do. And then I decide to read "operating systems: design and implementation" and what do I find: https://www.google.no/search?q=operating+systems+design+and+implementation=1C1SAVU_enNO552NO555=210_sm=122=lnms=isch=X=mWjMUoawK870yAOD14DoDQ=0CAkQ_AUoAQ=1280=962#facrc=_=_=3Xxz9iSmxL5PkM%3A%3BwJyiNjvjxISczM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi.walmartimages.com%252Fi%252Fp%252F09%252F78%252F01%252F31%252F42%252F0978013142938_500X500.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.walmart.com%252Fip%252FOperating-Systems-Design-and-Implementation%252F4323094%3B500%3B500 The book has a picture of a mushroom! On 1/7/14, Liam Lindholm wrote: Mr. Karlsen, I find your response to my initial email quite interesting, but do not quite understand it. My mind is very sluggish here in Sweden where it is very, very cold. Sluggish like a cluster of 386s running Linux on a kitchen table in someone's backwoods shack. In case you didn't see it, here is the presentation Mr. Stallman gave about the Free Software Foundation's "Say LiGNUx" campaign: http://imgur.com/a/beY7E Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly irrelevant software platform. In my first email, I suggested that we ban him from LKML or asking the Linux Foundation to issue a press release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free Software Foundation. So far, to the best of my knowledge, none of those suggestions have been acted upon. If you do not mind, Mr. Karlsen, please elaborate. Do you agree with me that calling Linux as LiGNUx is destructive and is without gains? Or do you agree with Richard M. Stallman and think we should call Linux as LiGNUx? How do you think about this, Mr. Karlsen? Happy New Year. Liam Oskar Lindholm, Linux Kernel Hacker On 12/23/13, Ove Karlsen wrote: In school, many national idols, art, and "national romantic" writings are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central. No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube, and other places. Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that is really what reminded me of it. Stallman however made his own idol instead. The "GNU" is a similar thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles. It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols. And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make. This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common online. Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as swastika-worship. This scene from "Tommy" says a lot about what an idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though. On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite of clear "psychedelic" art in some of his games, talk about letting naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that element, as it really is about the same again. And "just for fun", is close to "for the praises of God" is it not. Our nature, is "muslim". Which means "in submission to God". In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment. In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind. In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states, God created you with the most upright nature. And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been established b
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
In case you missed it, Phoronix covered your original email. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item=MTU1MTI On 1/7/14, Liam Lindholm wrote: > Mr. Karlsen, > > I find your response to my initial email quite interesting, but do not > quite understand it. My mind is very sluggish here in Sweden where it > is very, very cold. Sluggish like a cluster of 386s running Linux on a > kitchen table in someone's backwoods shack. > > In case you didn't see it, here is the presentation Mr. Stallman gave > about the Free Software Foundation's "Say LiGNUx" campaign: > http://imgur.com/a/beY7E > > Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly > irrelevant software platform. In my first email, I suggested that we > ban him from LKML or asking the Linux Foundation to issue a press > release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free > Software Foundation. > > So far, to the best of my knowledge, none of those suggestions have > been acted upon. > > If you do not mind, Mr. Karlsen, please elaborate. Do you agree with > me that calling Linux as LiGNUx is destructive and is without gains? > Or do you agree with Richard M. Stallman and think we should call > Linux as LiGNUx? How do you think about this, Mr. Karlsen? > > Happy New Year. > > Liam Oskar Lindholm, > Linux Kernel Hacker > > On 12/23/13, Ove Karlsen wrote: >> In school, many national idols, art, and "national romantic" writings >> are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns >> ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A >> monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where >> Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central. >> >> No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe >> that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be >> harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties >> and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not >> the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube, >> and other places. >> >> Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that >> is really what reminded me of it. >> >> Stallman however made his own idol instead. The "GNU" is a similar >> thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone >> complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles. >> >> It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols. >> And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make. >> >> This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people >> censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans >> Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think >> 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common >> online. >> >> Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as >> swastika-worship. This scene from "Tommy" says a lot about what an >> idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc >> >> Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though. >> >> On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For >> instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has >> also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite >> of clear "psychedelic" art in some of his games, talk about letting >> naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that >> element, as it really is about the same again. And "just for fun", is >> close to "for the praises of God" is it not. >> >> Our nature, is "muslim". Which means "in submission to God". >> In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment. >> In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind. >> In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as >> unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states, >> God created you with the most upright nature. >> >> And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended >> by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The >> Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think >> monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been >> established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of >> any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this. >> >> And Atheism do not have that, but often an ir
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
Mr. Karlsen, I find your response to my initial email quite interesting, but do not quite understand it. My mind is very sluggish here in Sweden where it is very, very cold. Sluggish like a cluster of 386s running Linux on a kitchen table in someone's backwoods shack. In case you didn't see it, here is the presentation Mr. Stallman gave about the Free Software Foundation's "Say LiGNUx" campaign: http://imgur.com/a/beY7E Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly irrelevant software platform. In my first email, I suggested that we ban him from LKML or asking the Linux Foundation to issue a press release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free Software Foundation. So far, to the best of my knowledge, none of those suggestions have been acted upon. If you do not mind, Mr. Karlsen, please elaborate. Do you agree with me that calling Linux as LiGNUx is destructive and is without gains? Or do you agree with Richard M. Stallman and think we should call Linux as LiGNUx? How do you think about this, Mr. Karlsen? Happy New Year. Liam Oskar Lindholm, Linux Kernel Hacker On 12/23/13, Ove Karlsen wrote: > In school, many national idols, art, and "national romantic" writings > are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns > ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A > monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where > Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central. > > No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe > that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be > harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties > and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not > the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube, > and other places. > > Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that > is really what reminded me of it. > > Stallman however made his own idol instead. The "GNU" is a similar > thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone > complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles. > > It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols. > And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make. > > This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people > censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans > Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think > 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common > online. > > Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as > swastika-worship. This scene from "Tommy" says a lot about what an > idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc > > Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though. > > On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For > instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has > also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite > of clear "psychedelic" art in some of his games, talk about letting > naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that > element, as it really is about the same again. And "just for fun", is > close to "for the praises of God" is it not. > > Our nature, is "muslim". Which means "in submission to God". > In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment. > In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind. > In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as > unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states, > God created you with the most upright nature. > > And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended > by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The > Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think > monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been > established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of > any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this. > > And Atheism do not have that, but often an irrational randomness, that > is given power to create, or claimed to be anything but white-noise. A > series of random events are white noise, equal probability for any > frequency. And Einsten and pseudoreligious scientific pantheism cannot > be rationally defended, as with pantheism infinity is irrationally > assigned to objects, truth is false, good is bad, god is satan, and many > of these defend idolaterous images. Dawkins discussions sometimes seen > on youtube, with beasthead idols, outside the buildin
Re: Gnu - Linux - Lignux, libre speech, and nerds drinking beer.
Now several years later, people are doing Steam consoles, people talk about Android PCs. If they go through the same development as me, regarding the licence, this is what they are going to come to: http://ovekarlsen.com/Blog/demoscene/ "However Richard Stallmans egocult, “GNU” and play on semantics, and even thought-policing people to “not use the word open-source” etc, is Linux biggest problem, and really similar, and I use my own licence with this. Stallmans “libre speech”, “lignux” debates, “be free hacker”-song, etc, has nothing to do with reality, and his fanboys instead suppress free speech and information, and act like facists when the licence is discussed, which is completely unacceptable, and a known problem both inside and outside linux-circles. Even doing things like contacting web-space providers, etc, that uses GNU software, to manipulate information against their licence. Which ofcourse is what many call “psychopathy”, and is ofcourse similar to the censorship of facist regimes." PBWY :) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Gnu - Linux - Lignux, libre speech, and nerds drinking beer.
Are you aware of how completely incoherent that topic is? You talk about "free speech", yet work to oppress that exact thing. You are not "free hackers". You are a bunch of blind idiots, worshipping a phallos. I think things should be extremely clear, and my website contains research on the highest level. I do doubt thought, that people who live among phallic objects, and incoherent pseudoreligion will understand much of it though. But that just shows that Linux is just another Microsoft or Apple, and all have people involved who did LSD. Magic faggot fantasyworlds, is what they want. And now Bill Gates is working with manour. For some reason LSD users seem attracked rather to things like this, but incoherently yammer about things of their youth I guess. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Gnu - Linux - Lignux, libre speech, and nerds drinking beer.
Are you aware of how completely incoherent that topic is? You talk about free speech, yet work to oppress that exact thing. You are not free hackers. You are a bunch of blind idiots, worshipping a phallos. I think things should be extremely clear, and my website contains research on the highest level. I do doubt thought, that people who live among phallic objects, and incoherent pseudoreligion will understand much of it though. But that just shows that Linux is just another Microsoft or Apple, and all have people involved who did LSD. Magic faggot fantasyworlds, is what they want. And now Bill Gates is working with manour. For some reason LSD users seem attracked rather to things like this, but incoherently yammer about things of their youth I guess. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Gnu - Linux - Lignux, libre speech, and nerds drinking beer.
Now several years later, people are doing Steam consoles, people talk about Android PCs. If they go through the same development as me, regarding the licence, this is what they are going to come to: http://ovekarlsen.com/Blog/demoscene/ However Richard Stallmans egocult, “GNU” and play on semantics, and even thought-policing people to “not use the word open-source” etc, is Linux biggest problem, and really similar, and I use my own licence with this. Stallmans “libre speech”, “lignux” debates, “be free hacker”-song, etc, has nothing to do with reality, and his fanboys instead suppress free speech and information, and act like facists when the licence is discussed, which is completely unacceptable, and a known problem both inside and outside linux-circles. Even doing things like contacting web-space providers, etc, that uses GNU software, to manipulate information against their licence. Which ofcourse is what many call “psychopathy”, and is ofcourse similar to the censorship of facist regimes. PBWY :) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
Mr. Karlsen, I find your response to my initial email quite interesting, but do not quite understand it. My mind is very sluggish here in Sweden where it is very, very cold. Sluggish like a cluster of 386s running Linux on a kitchen table in someone's backwoods shack. In case you didn't see it, here is the presentation Mr. Stallman gave about the Free Software Foundation's Say LiGNUx campaign: http://imgur.com/a/beY7E Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly irrelevant software platform. In my first email, I suggested that we ban him from LKML or asking the Linux Foundation to issue a press release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free Software Foundation. So far, to the best of my knowledge, none of those suggestions have been acted upon. If you do not mind, Mr. Karlsen, please elaborate. Do you agree with me that calling Linux as LiGNUx is destructive and is without gains? Or do you agree with Richard M. Stallman and think we should call Linux as LiGNUx? How do you think about this, Mr. Karlsen? Happy New Year. Liam Oskar Lindholm, Linux Kernel Hacker On 12/23/13, Ove Karlsen m...@ovekarlsen.com wrote: In school, many national idols, art, and national romantic writings are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central. No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube, and other places. Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that is really what reminded me of it. Stallman however made his own idol instead. The GNU is a similar thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles. It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols. And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make. This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common online. Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as swastika-worship. This scene from Tommy says a lot about what an idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though. On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite of clear psychedelic art in some of his games, talk about letting naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that element, as it really is about the same again. And just for fun, is close to for the praises of God is it not. Our nature, is muslim. Which means in submission to God. In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment. In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind. In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states, God created you with the most upright nature. And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this. And Atheism do not have that, but often an irrational randomness, that is given power to create, or claimed to be anything but white-noise. A series of random events are white noise, equal probability for any frequency. And Einsten and pseudoreligious scientific pantheism cannot be rationally defended, as with pantheism infinity is irrationally assigned to objects, truth is false, good is bad, god is satan, and many of these defend idolaterous images. Dawkins discussions sometimes seen on youtube, with beasthead idols, outside the building. Similar to the sphinx-idols of Egypt ofcourse. Yet again phallic. And many who makes claims about madness themselves, such as psychiatrists follow Freud whose focus on libido, is just another rephrasing of phallic idolatry, and the facism these uphold is known. Atheism also again irrational idolatry. Removing irrational randomness from
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
In case you missed it, Phoronix covered your original email. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTU1MTI On 1/7/14, Liam Lindholm liam.oskar.lindh...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Karlsen, I find your response to my initial email quite interesting, but do not quite understand it. My mind is very sluggish here in Sweden where it is very, very cold. Sluggish like a cluster of 386s running Linux on a kitchen table in someone's backwoods shack. In case you didn't see it, here is the presentation Mr. Stallman gave about the Free Software Foundation's Say LiGNUx campaign: http://imgur.com/a/beY7E Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly irrelevant software platform. In my first email, I suggested that we ban him from LKML or asking the Linux Foundation to issue a press release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free Software Foundation. So far, to the best of my knowledge, none of those suggestions have been acted upon. If you do not mind, Mr. Karlsen, please elaborate. Do you agree with me that calling Linux as LiGNUx is destructive and is without gains? Or do you agree with Richard M. Stallman and think we should call Linux as LiGNUx? How do you think about this, Mr. Karlsen? Happy New Year. Liam Oskar Lindholm, Linux Kernel Hacker On 12/23/13, Ove Karlsen m...@ovekarlsen.com wrote: In school, many national idols, art, and national romantic writings are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central. No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube, and other places. Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that is really what reminded me of it. Stallman however made his own idol instead. The GNU is a similar thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles. It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols. And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make. This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common online. Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as swastika-worship. This scene from Tommy says a lot about what an idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though. On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite of clear psychedelic art in some of his games, talk about letting naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that element, as it really is about the same again. And just for fun, is close to for the praises of God is it not. Our nature, is muslim. Which means in submission to God. In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment. In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind. In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states, God created you with the most upright nature. And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this. And Atheism do not have that, but often an irrational randomness, that is given power to create, or claimed to be anything but white-noise. A series of random events are white noise, equal probability for any frequency. And Einsten and pseudoreligious scientific pantheism cannot be rationally defended, as with pantheism infinity is irrationally assigned to objects, truth is false, good is bad, god is satan, and many of these defend idolaterous images. Dawkins discussions sometimes seen on youtube, with beasthead idols, outside the building. Similar to the sphinx-idols of Egypt ofcourse. Yet again phallic. And many who makes claims about madness themselves, such as psychiatrists
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
On 1/7/2014 9:52 PM, Richard Dunn wrote: In case you missed it, Phoronix covered your original email. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTU1MTI Phoronix is not a serious newsplace. I did think about the problem some more. Maybe the whole Microkernel debate is an ego-issue too, really of control of information. What would an additional JSR do. And then I decide to read operating systems: design and implementation and what do I find: https://www.google.no/search?q=operating+systems+design+and+implementationrlz=1C1SAVU_enNO552NO555espv=210es_sm=122source=lnmstbm=ischsa=Xei=mWjMUoawK870yAOD14DoDQved=0CAkQ_AUoAQbiw=1280bih=962#facrc=_imgdii=_imgrc=3Xxz9iSmxL5PkM%3A%3BwJyiNjvjxISczM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fi.walmartimages.com%252Fi%252Fp%252F09%252F78%252F01%252F31%252F42%252F0978013142938_500X500.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.walmart.com%252Fip%252FOperating-Systems-Design-and-Implementation%252F4323094%3B500%3B500 The book has a picture of a mushroom! On 1/7/14, Liam Lindholm liam.oskar.lindh...@gmail.com wrote: Mr. Karlsen, I find your response to my initial email quite interesting, but do not quite understand it. My mind is very sluggish here in Sweden where it is very, very cold. Sluggish like a cluster of 386s running Linux on a kitchen table in someone's backwoods shack. In case you didn't see it, here is the presentation Mr. Stallman gave about the Free Software Foundation's Say LiGNUx campaign: http://imgur.com/a/beY7E Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly irrelevant software platform. In my first email, I suggested that we ban him from LKML or asking the Linux Foundation to issue a press release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free Software Foundation. So far, to the best of my knowledge, none of those suggestions have been acted upon. If you do not mind, Mr. Karlsen, please elaborate. Do you agree with me that calling Linux as LiGNUx is destructive and is without gains? Or do you agree with Richard M. Stallman and think we should call Linux as LiGNUx? How do you think about this, Mr. Karlsen? Happy New Year. Liam Oskar Lindholm, Linux Kernel Hacker On 12/23/13, Ove Karlsen m...@ovekarlsen.com wrote: In school, many national idols, art, and national romantic writings are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central. No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube, and other places. Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that is really what reminded me of it. Stallman however made his own idol instead. The GNU is a similar thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles. It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols. And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make. This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common online. Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as swastika-worship. This scene from Tommy says a lot about what an idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though. On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite of clear psychedelic art in some of his games, talk about letting naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that element, as it really is about the same again. And just for fun, is close to for the praises of God is it not. Our nature, is muslim. Which means in submission to God. In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment. In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind. In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states, God created you with the most upright nature. And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been established by Aristotle. The same logic
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
Just to be clear, no idolatry. At all. Anyways I am just going to use windows here, and maybe even get an E5 mac. It has logic audio, which I think is perfectly fine. I am almost nervous to contribute to this, seeing as much obscurity as it is. People will have to choose a solution good for them. If it makes sense. Not for some reason of idolatry, or slaving away for nothing. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
And.. actually in commercial constructs one is also abused, but atleast one gets money. In open-source, or particulary Stallman idolaters, one is only abused. No limiter-awards, where technical excellence is recognized, because the algorithm does this and that, and this is optimal. None of that. Just - NOT GPL? WE ARE GONNA ABUSE YOU DOOD. This is as I am trying to explain common for idolatry, and not GPL ofcourse. Open-source seemed very interesting at one point. Atleast small plugins like mine, are nice to have as open-source. But already only after a few years, and gone through stages, and understood so many things many people are talking about, and the complains about linux-circle behaviour. It has ofcourse nothing to do with being free. ;) Hey, I don´t care. If God does not want, that is fine. I can drop it. Peace Be With You! -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
I am realizing that Linux-brats are vere very much like abusive mushroom users aren´t they. I did ressearch on this, and that is where I have seen that behaviour before. Obviously only having them in the environment is influental, as I doubt they all do mushrooms. This will be included on my http://ovekarlsen.com/Blog/psychiatry-refuted/ refuted post. That is the root of the problem. Peace Be With You. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx”
On Monday 23 December 2013 12:01:06 Liam Lindholm wrote: > Dear fellow Linux kernel hackers: > > It has come to my attention that Richard M. Stallman, founder of the > Free Software Foundation and creator of the GNU project, has once > again set out to fragment our grassroots community. > > Recently, Mr. Stallman has started a new push for acknowledgement of > GNU in Linux. No, not the familiar “GNU/Linux” that we're all sick and > tired of hearing about but, instead, a failed anagram of these same > terms. The campaign is called “Say LiGNUx” and demands that users of > any Linux-kernel operating system employing GNU software (which > comprises less than 15% of most modern Linux distributions nowadays) > call the operating system “LiGNUx.” > > His presentation on the “Say LiGNUx” campaign is served in PNG format > at http://imgur.com/a/beY7E so you can see the insanity for yourself. > > Yes, that's right. LiGNUx, pronounced like “pig cooks,” would be the > name of choice for our work in the last two decades. Stallman suggests > that we trash our existing name recognition and all common sense to > adopt his academic linguistic exercise in masturbatory politics that > represents the kernel's license and some poorly-built utilities that > no one uses anymore. > > Mr. Stallman even suggests that users who refuse to say LiGNUx should > instead install GNU/HURD so as to remove any ambiguity about licenses > and nomenclature. What the hell?! > > When is the last time someone named their operating system after the > license the kernel is released under? Such an esoteric naming method > is madness. Should Apple call OS X “Apple/XNU?” Or how about the > Berkeley operating systems? Should they call their products “FreeBSD” > or “OpenBSD?” Should Microsoft call their operating system “Microsoft > Windows?” The suggestion is patently absurd. > > We should not give in to the wailing demands of this zealotry. Mr. > Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly > irrelevant software platform. Perhaps that means banning him from > LKML, or asking Linus to suggest some vacation therapy for poor Mr. > Stallman and his zealotry, or having the Linux Foundation issue a > press release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free > Software Foundation. > > Whatever the next course of action is, we should all ignore Mr. > Stallman and continue to call Linux as Linux. > > I am interested to hear your thoughts on the topic, fellow Linux kernel hackers. > > Merry Christmas. > > Liam Oskar Lindholm, > Linux Kernel Hacker As much a I respect and acknowledge RMS for starting up GNU (even more after the Snowden leaks), I don't see any reason to put a g in Linux. First of all: Don't change your name unless you're exceptionally good at PR. Secondly: Linux -- the kernel -- is not part of GNU (a lot of the standard userspace utilities are though). Surely GNU's not Linux. I remember it being a recursive acronym for "GNU's Not Unix!" (and there is a lot of things GNU isn't). How about renaming GNU to LNG as in "Linux' Not GNU!"?. Or even *NG, since really not that much GPL'ed software is GNU. (Not to start a flame war, but apropos I'd hate saying "My computer Hurds...".) Oh, well... Merry Christmas. *<:-) -Martin -- I bet Earth makes fun of other planets for having no life -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx”
On Monday 23 December 2013 12:01:06 Liam Lindholm wrote: Dear fellow Linux kernel hackers: It has come to my attention that Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation and creator of the GNU project, has once again set out to fragment our grassroots community. Recently, Mr. Stallman has started a new push for acknowledgement of GNU in Linux. No, not the familiar “GNU/Linux” that we're all sick and tired of hearing about but, instead, a failed anagram of these same terms. The campaign is called “Say LiGNUx” and demands that users of any Linux-kernel operating system employing GNU software (which comprises less than 15% of most modern Linux distributions nowadays) call the operating system “LiGNUx.” His presentation on the “Say LiGNUx” campaign is served in PNG format at http://imgur.com/a/beY7E so you can see the insanity for yourself. Yes, that's right. LiGNUx, pronounced like “pig cooks,” would be the name of choice for our work in the last two decades. Stallman suggests that we trash our existing name recognition and all common sense to adopt his academic linguistic exercise in masturbatory politics that represents the kernel's license and some poorly-built utilities that no one uses anymore. Mr. Stallman even suggests that users who refuse to say LiGNUx should instead install GNU/HURD so as to remove any ambiguity about licenses and nomenclature. What the hell?! When is the last time someone named their operating system after the license the kernel is released under? Such an esoteric naming method is madness. Should Apple call OS X “Apple/XNU?” Or how about the Berkeley operating systems? Should they call their products “FreeBSD” or “OpenBSD?” Should Microsoft call their operating system “Microsoft Windows?” The suggestion is patently absurd. We should not give in to the wailing demands of this zealotry. Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly irrelevant software platform. Perhaps that means banning him from LKML, or asking Linus to suggest some vacation therapy for poor Mr. Stallman and his zealotry, or having the Linux Foundation issue a press release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free Software Foundation. Whatever the next course of action is, we should all ignore Mr. Stallman and continue to call Linux as Linux. I am interested to hear your thoughts on the topic, fellow Linux kernel hackers. Merry Christmas. Liam Oskar Lindholm, Linux Kernel Hacker As much a I respect and acknowledge RMS for starting up GNU (even more after the Snowden leaks), I don't see any reason to put a g in Linux. First of all: Don't change your name unless you're exceptionally good at PR. Secondly: Linux -- the kernel -- is not part of GNU (a lot of the standard userspace utilities are though). Surely GNU's not Linux. I remember it being a recursive acronym for GNU's Not Unix! (and there is a lot of things GNU isn't). How about renaming GNU to LNG as in Linux' Not GNU!?. Or even *NG, since really not that much GPL'ed software is GNU. (Not to start a flame war, but apropos I'd hate saying My computer Hurds) Oh, well... Merry Christmas. *:-) -Martin -- I bet Earth makes fun of other planets for having no life -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
In school, many national idols, art, and "national romantic" writings are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central. No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube, and other places. Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that is really what reminded me of it. Stallman however made his own idol instead. The "GNU" is a similar thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles. It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols. And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make. This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common online. Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as swastika-worship. This scene from "Tommy" says a lot about what an idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though. On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite of clear "psychedelic" art in some of his games, talk about letting naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that element, as it really is about the same again. And "just for fun", is close to "for the praises of God" is it not. Our nature, is "muslim". Which means "in submission to God". In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment. In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind. In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states, God created you with the most upright nature. And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this. And Atheism do not have that, but often an irrational randomness, that is given power to create, or claimed to be anything but white-noise. A series of random events are white noise, equal probability for any frequency. And Einsten and pseudoreligious scientific pantheism cannot be rationally defended, as with pantheism infinity is irrationally assigned to objects, truth is false, good is bad, god is satan, and many of these defend idolaterous images. Dawkins discussions sometimes seen on youtube, with beasthead idols, outside the building. Similar to the sphinx-idols of Egypt ofcourse. Yet again phallic. And many who makes claims about madness themselves, such as psychiatrists follow Freud whose focus on libido, is just another rephrasing of phallic idolatry, and the facism these uphold is known. Atheism also again irrational idolatry. Removing irrational "randomness" from reality, leaves no coincidences, nothing "just happens", unless God wills. And one gets a necessary creator, that logically must be almighty, and sustainer of the heavens and the earth. One who obviously guides and deludes whomever he wills. And talks about mercy towards the believers. And Darwin makes irrational claims about species. No species that mutate in any such degree, would ofcourse stop to mutate, and all species would have left an enormous amount of mutations that did not make it. And even just two compatible mutations, from another species, is absurd theory. And mutation is not any object of occult power. And ofcourse Stallman claims to have some power of giving freedom to hackers, by his GPL licence, are fradulent. Any of these, whether you view them more or less influental is just doing the same. Free fantasy and conjuring of unreal things. If you are looking for the logical, and really scientific view, that is Artistotle still. And stallman does ofcourse not know what freedom is. And even making an idol of himself. Maybe he was of those who used LSD, it used to be popular, and unfortunately still is too
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx”
On 2013-12-23 12:01, Liam Lindholm wrote: > Dear fellow Linux kernel hackers: > > It has come to my attention that Richard M. Stallman, founder of the > Free Software Foundation and creator of the GNU project, has once > again set out to fragment our grassroots community. > > Recently, Mr. Stallman has started a new push for acknowledgement of > GNU in Linux. No, not the familiar “GNU/Linux” that we're all sick and > tired of hearing about but, instead, a failed anagram of these same > terms. The campaign is called “Say LiGNUx” and demands that users of > any Linux-kernel operating system employing GNU software (which > comprises less than 15% of most modern Linux distributions nowadays) > call the operating system “LiGNUx.” As much as I hate to point this out, that less than 15% comprises most of the big mainstream distros (eg, Suse, Red Hat, Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, etc.). > > His presentation on the “Say LiGNUx” campaign is served in PNG format > at http://imgur.com/a/beY7E so you can see the insanity for yourself. [...snip...] > Mr. Stallman even suggests that users who refuse to say LiGNUx should > instead install GNU/HURD so as to remove any ambiguity about licenses > and nomenclature. What the hell?! I'd say that this is even stupider than the LiGNUx, Hurd only runs on 32-bit x86, doesn't support a large majority of modern hardware, and trying to install it is comparable to trying to get a rebate from Microsoft for not using a pre-installed copy of Windows. > > When is the last time someone named their operating system after the > license the kernel is released under? Such an esoteric naming method > is madness. Should Apple call OS X “Apple/XNU?” Or how about the > Berkeley operating systems? Should they call their products “FreeBSD” > or “OpenBSD?” Should Microsoft call their operating system “Microsoft > Windows?” The suggestion is patently absurd. > > We should not give in to the wailing demands of this zealotry. Mr. > Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly > irrelevant software platform. Perhaps that means banning him from > LKML, or asking Linus to suggest some vacation therapy for poor Mr. > Stallman and his zealotry, or having the Linux Foundation issue a > press release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free > Software Foundation. I'd personally say the press release is probably best. Mr. Stallman's zealotry makes all free software developers look bad, yet he dosen't seem to realize that. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx”
Dear fellow Linux kernel hackers: It has come to my attention that Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation and creator of the GNU project, has once again set out to fragment our grassroots community. Recently, Mr. Stallman has started a new push for acknowledgement of GNU in Linux. No, not the familiar “GNU/Linux” that we're all sick and tired of hearing about but, instead, a failed anagram of these same terms. The campaign is called “Say LiGNUx” and demands that users of any Linux-kernel operating system employing GNU software (which comprises less than 15% of most modern Linux distributions nowadays) call the operating system “LiGNUx.” His presentation on the “Say LiGNUx” campaign is served in PNG format at http://imgur.com/a/beY7E so you can see the insanity for yourself. Yes, that's right. LiGNUx, pronounced like “pig cooks,” would be the name of choice for our work in the last two decades. Stallman suggests that we trash our existing name recognition and all common sense to adopt his academic linguistic exercise in masturbatory politics that represents the kernel's license and some poorly-built utilities that no one uses anymore. Mr. Stallman even suggests that users who refuse to say LiGNUx should instead install GNU/HURD so as to remove any ambiguity about licenses and nomenclature. What the hell?! When is the last time someone named their operating system after the license the kernel is released under? Such an esoteric naming method is madness. Should Apple call OS X “Apple/XNU?” Or how about the Berkeley operating systems? Should they call their products “FreeBSD” or “OpenBSD?” Should Microsoft call their operating system “Microsoft Windows?” The suggestion is patently absurd. We should not give in to the wailing demands of this zealotry. Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly irrelevant software platform. Perhaps that means banning him from LKML, or asking Linus to suggest some vacation therapy for poor Mr. Stallman and his zealotry, or having the Linux Foundation issue a press release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free Software Foundation. Whatever the next course of action is, we should all ignore Mr. Stallman and continue to call Linux as Linux. I am interested to hear your thoughts on the topic, fellow Linux kernel hackers. Merry Christmas. Liam Oskar Lindholm, Linux Kernel Hacker -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx”
Dear fellow Linux kernel hackers: It has come to my attention that Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation and creator of the GNU project, has once again set out to fragment our grassroots community. Recently, Mr. Stallman has started a new push for acknowledgement of GNU in Linux. No, not the familiar “GNU/Linux” that we're all sick and tired of hearing about but, instead, a failed anagram of these same terms. The campaign is called “Say LiGNUx” and demands that users of any Linux-kernel operating system employing GNU software (which comprises less than 15% of most modern Linux distributions nowadays) call the operating system “LiGNUx.” His presentation on the “Say LiGNUx” campaign is served in PNG format at http://imgur.com/a/beY7E so you can see the insanity for yourself. Yes, that's right. LiGNUx, pronounced like “pig cooks,” would be the name of choice for our work in the last two decades. Stallman suggests that we trash our existing name recognition and all common sense to adopt his academic linguistic exercise in masturbatory politics that represents the kernel's license and some poorly-built utilities that no one uses anymore. Mr. Stallman even suggests that users who refuse to say LiGNUx should instead install GNU/HURD so as to remove any ambiguity about licenses and nomenclature. What the hell?! When is the last time someone named their operating system after the license the kernel is released under? Such an esoteric naming method is madness. Should Apple call OS X “Apple/XNU?” Or how about the Berkeley operating systems? Should they call their products “FreeBSD” or “OpenBSD?” Should Microsoft call their operating system “Microsoft Windows?” The suggestion is patently absurd. We should not give in to the wailing demands of this zealotry. Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly irrelevant software platform. Perhaps that means banning him from LKML, or asking Linus to suggest some vacation therapy for poor Mr. Stallman and his zealotry, or having the Linux Foundation issue a press release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free Software Foundation. Whatever the next course of action is, we should all ignore Mr. Stallman and continue to call Linux as Linux. I am interested to hear your thoughts on the topic, fellow Linux kernel hackers. Merry Christmas. Liam Oskar Lindholm, Linux Kernel Hacker -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx”
On 2013-12-23 12:01, Liam Lindholm wrote: Dear fellow Linux kernel hackers: It has come to my attention that Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation and creator of the GNU project, has once again set out to fragment our grassroots community. Recently, Mr. Stallman has started a new push for acknowledgement of GNU in Linux. No, not the familiar “GNU/Linux” that we're all sick and tired of hearing about but, instead, a failed anagram of these same terms. The campaign is called “Say LiGNUx” and demands that users of any Linux-kernel operating system employing GNU software (which comprises less than 15% of most modern Linux distributions nowadays) call the operating system “LiGNUx.” As much as I hate to point this out, that less than 15% comprises most of the big mainstream distros (eg, Suse, Red Hat, Fedora, Debian, Ubuntu, Gentoo, etc.). His presentation on the “Say LiGNUx” campaign is served in PNG format at http://imgur.com/a/beY7E so you can see the insanity for yourself. [...snip...] Mr. Stallman even suggests that users who refuse to say LiGNUx should instead install GNU/HURD so as to remove any ambiguity about licenses and nomenclature. What the hell?! I'd say that this is even stupider than the LiGNUx, Hurd only runs on 32-bit x86, doesn't support a large majority of modern hardware, and trying to install it is comparable to trying to get a rebate from Microsoft for not using a pre-installed copy of Windows. When is the last time someone named their operating system after the license the kernel is released under? Such an esoteric naming method is madness. Should Apple call OS X “Apple/XNU?” Or how about the Berkeley operating systems? Should they call their products “FreeBSD” or “OpenBSD?” Should Microsoft call their operating system “Microsoft Windows?” The suggestion is patently absurd. We should not give in to the wailing demands of this zealotry. Mr. Stallman clearly needs a break from promoting an increasingly irrelevant software platform. Perhaps that means banning him from LKML, or asking Linus to suggest some vacation therapy for poor Mr. Stallman and his zealotry, or having the Linux Foundation issue a press release distancing themselves from RMS, GNU, and the Free Software Foundation. I'd personally say the press release is probably best. Mr. Stallman's zealotry makes all free software developers look bad, yet he dosen't seem to realize that. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Richard Stallman: Why “GNU’S Not Linux” and Why We Should “Say LiGNUx” / Stopping abusive behaviour.
In school, many national idols, art, and national romantic writings are read. These are irrational variants of ancestor worship, that turns ignorant people to brats. A flag nothing else than a totempole. A monarchy nothing else than the development of old fertiliycults. Where Brutus and Bimbo no doubt are central. No doubt even Stallman was bothered by those in his youth. And maybe that is what is bothering many. Why anyone should go to school, to be harassed for many years, I do not understand. I am well into my thirties and realizing how much of a pain school really was, although I was not the one most bothered, and I have seen many processing that, on youtube, and other places. Behaviour on the internet is a problem, and it seems similar, and that is really what reminded me of it. Stallman however made his own idol instead. The GNU is a similar thing, a phallic idol of himself, as all idols are. And everyone complains about the pseudoreligious brats in linux-circles. It is ofcourse not real religion, but idolatry, and with made up idols. And that it is idolatry, is a important distinction to make. This is really at the base of facism, and seen for instance, when people censor criticism like this, in favour of some idol. Be that Stallmans Gnu, or gayactivism, 1950s gear worshippers, or people who think 1024x768 is the ultimate resolution. Or many odd things. Which is common online. Hippies also really are idolaters, sunworship, really the same as swastika-worship. This scene from Tommy says a lot about what an idolater is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IVwkz-BQGc Everyone is born with a monotheist nature though. On LKML, I have also seen arguments that resemble monotheism. For instance lately, Linus said he didn´t want a corporate mindset. He has also talked about natural developments, and also Gabriel Newell, inspite of clear psychedelic art in some of his games, talk about letting naturality take place. Hopefully that means reiterating out that element, as it really is about the same again. And just for fun, is close to for the praises of God is it not. Our nature, is muslim. Which means in submission to God. In Daoism, one talks about surrender and alignment. In Buddhism and Daoism, both talk about quietness of the mind. In Islam one talks about peace generally. And defines idolatry as unnatural, polytheism, and association with God, and The Quran states, God created you with the most upright nature. And one superordinate concept, one God, can also be logically defended by Aristotles prime mover, and philosophical principles like The Finetuning Argument. However many do not even know this, and think monotheism is illogical, yet the school of logic, is said to have been established by Aristotle. The same logic ofcourse, really the insight of any true prophet. Programmers often like logic, and should know this. And Atheism do not have that, but often an irrational randomness, that is given power to create, or claimed to be anything but white-noise. A series of random events are white noise, equal probability for any frequency. And Einsten and pseudoreligious scientific pantheism cannot be rationally defended, as with pantheism infinity is irrationally assigned to objects, truth is false, good is bad, god is satan, and many of these defend idolaterous images. Dawkins discussions sometimes seen on youtube, with beasthead idols, outside the building. Similar to the sphinx-idols of Egypt ofcourse. Yet again phallic. And many who makes claims about madness themselves, such as psychiatrists follow Freud whose focus on libido, is just another rephrasing of phallic idolatry, and the facism these uphold is known. Atheism also again irrational idolatry. Removing irrational randomness from reality, leaves no coincidences, nothing just happens, unless God wills. And one gets a necessary creator, that logically must be almighty, and sustainer of the heavens and the earth. One who obviously guides and deludes whomever he wills. And talks about mercy towards the believers. And Darwin makes irrational claims about species. No species that mutate in any such degree, would ofcourse stop to mutate, and all species would have left an enormous amount of mutations that did not make it. And even just two compatible mutations, from another species, is absurd theory. And mutation is not any object of occult power. And ofcourse Stallman claims to have some power of giving freedom to hackers, by his GPL licence, are fradulent. Any of these, whether you view them more or less influental is just doing the same. Free fantasy and conjuring of unreal things. If you are looking for the logical, and really scientific view, that is Artistotle still. And stallman does ofcourse not know what freedom is. And even making an idol of himself. Maybe he was of those who used LSD, it used to be popular, and unfortunately still is too popular. Turning
LiGNUx
Is this you, Richard, advocating for "LiGNUx" again? http://imgur.com/a/beY7E -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
LiGNUx
Is this you, Richard, advocating for LiGNUx again? http://imgur.com/a/beY7E -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
