Re: [PATCH RFC] MIPS: Remove detect_memory_region()
On 02/26/2021 02:52 PM, Jiaxun Yang wrote:
在 2021/2/26 上午9:37, Jinyang He 写道:
On 02/24/2021 11:40 PM, Jiaxun Yang wrote:
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, at 9:02 PM, Jinyang He wrote:
detect_memory_region() was committed by Commit 4d9f77d25268 ("MIPS:
add
detect_memory_region()"). Then it was equipped by Commit dd63b00804a5
("MIPS: ralink: make use of the new memory detection code") and
Commit 9b75733b7b5e ("MIPS: ath79: make use of the new memory
detection
code"). Its code is based on early ath79 platform code.
What puzzles me is that how memcmp() detect the memory region. If
`break`
was touched, the function could make sense. That means memcmp() should
return zero. Otherwise, the loop will be end by size > sz_max.
I have tested detect_memory_region() on Loongson64 3A3000. On our
design,
kseg0 low 256MB maps real memory and kseg0 high 256MB maps IO/PCI. The
function runs and last stopped on kseg1 where is uncached. In this
process
memcmp also returned non-zero when detected kseg0 high 256MB. Then
I did
another thing. memcpy first and test memcmp then (after &_end). It
works
well on 3A3000 but badly on 3A4000. Maybe because kseg0 high 256MB
maps
IO/PCI and it is dangerous to write like write memory.
At last, read memory from where is not memory region may always
return 0.
(Or trigger exception.) This function have been used several years and
seems no error occur. Maybe it's a fallback way.
That is not true for other platforms like ath79 or mtk.
They'll wrap around or return 0x for out of boundary accessing.
Loongson does not apply to this case as it have special "Address
Window"
design to accurately describe address regions.
Any access beyond described windows will be handled by MC and return
0 or random stuff.
Again, please don't make changes because you can.
Thanks.
- Jiaxun
Hi, Jiaxun,
Thank you for answering this puzzle for me in detail.
Assume that the machine has 8MB real memory and dm address is (base +
3M).
When size = 8MB, there will be a phenomenon of `wrap around`, the actual
content of (dm + 8M + 3M) is content of (dm + 3M), so it will trigger
`break`, right? At this time, the kernel will add 8M to the memory.
Hi Jingyang,
How can you boot kernel with 8M memory in present days ;-)
(Ohh with respect to Nintendo64 developer who had proven it's possible)
For what I can say, detect_memory_region exists because many devices
doesn't have a way to pass memory size information from bootloader to
kernel. Or their bootloader even don't care about memory size.
Kernel needs it to get memory size correctly. Although it seems fragile.
That's life, we must accept imperfect past and don't repeat it in future.
Thanks.
- Jiaxun
That's just a assume. Because it looks fresh to me.
Thank you very much. :-D
Thanks,
Jinyang
Re: [PATCH RFC] MIPS: Remove detect_memory_region()
在 2021/2/26 上午9:37, Jinyang He 写道:
On 02/24/2021 11:40 PM, Jiaxun Yang wrote:
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, at 9:02 PM, Jinyang He wrote:
detect_memory_region() was committed by Commit 4d9f77d25268 ("MIPS: add
detect_memory_region()"). Then it was equipped by Commit dd63b00804a5
("MIPS: ralink: make use of the new memory detection code") and
Commit 9b75733b7b5e ("MIPS: ath79: make use of the new memory detection
code"). Its code is based on early ath79 platform code.
What puzzles me is that how memcmp() detect the memory region. If
`break`
was touched, the function could make sense. That means memcmp() should
return zero. Otherwise, the loop will be end by size > sz_max.
I have tested detect_memory_region() on Loongson64 3A3000. On our
design,
kseg0 low 256MB maps real memory and kseg0 high 256MB maps IO/PCI. The
function runs and last stopped on kseg1 where is uncached. In this
process
memcmp also returned non-zero when detected kseg0 high 256MB. Then I
did
another thing. memcpy first and test memcmp then (after &_end). It
works
well on 3A3000 but badly on 3A4000. Maybe because kseg0 high 256MB maps
IO/PCI and it is dangerous to write like write memory.
At last, read memory from where is not memory region may always
return 0.
(Or trigger exception.) This function have been used several years and
seems no error occur. Maybe it's a fallback way.
That is not true for other platforms like ath79 or mtk.
They'll wrap around or return 0x for out of boundary accessing.
Loongson does not apply to this case as it have special "Address Window"
design to accurately describe address regions.
Any access beyond described windows will be handled by MC and return
0 or random stuff.
Again, please don't make changes because you can.
Thanks.
- Jiaxun
Hi, Jiaxun,
Thank you for answering this puzzle for me in detail.
Assume that the machine has 8MB real memory and dm address is (base +
3M).
When size = 8MB, there will be a phenomenon of `wrap around`, the actual
content of (dm + 8M + 3M) is content of (dm + 3M), so it will trigger
`break`, right? At this time, the kernel will add 8M to the memory.
Hi Jingyang,
How can you boot kernel with 8M memory in present days ;-)
(Ohh with respect to Nintendo64 developer who had proven it's possible)
For what I can say, detect_memory_region exists because many devices
doesn't have a way to pass memory size information from bootloader to
kernel. Or their bootloader even don't care about memory size.
Kernel needs it to get memory size correctly. Although it seems fragile.
That's life, we must accept imperfect past and don't repeat it in future.
Thanks.
- Jiaxun
Thanks,
Jinyang
Re: [PATCH RFC] MIPS: Remove detect_memory_region()
On 02/24/2021 11:40 PM, Jiaxun Yang wrote:
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, at 9:02 PM, Jinyang He wrote:
detect_memory_region() was committed by Commit 4d9f77d25268 ("MIPS: add
detect_memory_region()"). Then it was equipped by Commit dd63b00804a5
("MIPS: ralink: make use of the new memory detection code") and
Commit 9b75733b7b5e ("MIPS: ath79: make use of the new memory detection
code"). Its code is based on early ath79 platform code.
What puzzles me is that how memcmp() detect the memory region. If `break`
was touched, the function could make sense. That means memcmp() should
return zero. Otherwise, the loop will be end by size > sz_max.
I have tested detect_memory_region() on Loongson64 3A3000. On our design,
kseg0 low 256MB maps real memory and kseg0 high 256MB maps IO/PCI. The
function runs and last stopped on kseg1 where is uncached. In this process
memcmp also returned non-zero when detected kseg0 high 256MB. Then I did
another thing. memcpy first and test memcmp then (after &_end). It works
well on 3A3000 but badly on 3A4000. Maybe because kseg0 high 256MB maps
IO/PCI and it is dangerous to write like write memory.
At last, read memory from where is not memory region may always return 0.
(Or trigger exception.) This function have been used several years and
seems no error occur. Maybe it's a fallback way.
That is not true for other platforms like ath79 or mtk.
They'll wrap around or return 0x for out of boundary accessing.
Loongson does not apply to this case as it have special "Address Window"
design to accurately describe address regions.
Any access beyond described windows will be handled by MC and return 0 or
random stuff.
Again, please don't make changes because you can.
Thanks.
- Jiaxun
Hi, Jiaxun,
Thank you for answering this puzzle for me in detail.
Assume that the machine has 8MB real memory and dm address is (base + 3M).
When size = 8MB, there will be a phenomenon of `wrap around`, the actual
content of (dm + 8M + 3M) is content of (dm + 3M), so it will trigger
`break`, right? At this time, the kernel will add 8M to the memory.
Thanks,
Jinyang
Re: [PATCH RFC] MIPS: Remove detect_memory_region()
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, at 9:02 PM, Jinyang He wrote:
> detect_memory_region() was committed by Commit 4d9f77d25268 ("MIPS: add
> detect_memory_region()"). Then it was equipped by Commit dd63b00804a5
> ("MIPS: ralink: make use of the new memory detection code") and
> Commit 9b75733b7b5e ("MIPS: ath79: make use of the new memory detection
> code"). Its code is based on early ath79 platform code.
>
> What puzzles me is that how memcmp() detect the memory region. If `break`
> was touched, the function could make sense. That means memcmp() should
> return zero. Otherwise, the loop will be end by size > sz_max.
>
> I have tested detect_memory_region() on Loongson64 3A3000. On our design,
> kseg0 low 256MB maps real memory and kseg0 high 256MB maps IO/PCI. The
> function runs and last stopped on kseg1 where is uncached. In this process
> memcmp also returned non-zero when detected kseg0 high 256MB. Then I did
> another thing. memcpy first and test memcmp then (after &_end). It works
> well on 3A3000 but badly on 3A4000. Maybe because kseg0 high 256MB maps
> IO/PCI and it is dangerous to write like write memory.
>
> At last, read memory from where is not memory region may always return 0.
> (Or trigger exception.) This function have been used several years and
> seems no error occur. Maybe it's a fallback way.
That is not true for other platforms like ath79 or mtk.
They'll wrap around or return 0x for out of boundary accessing.
Loongson does not apply to this case as it have special "Address Window"
design to accurately describe address regions.
Any access beyond described windows will be handled by MC and return 0 or
random stuff.
Again, please don't make changes because you can.
Thanks.
- Jiaxun
