Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
Hi! > Attached is a patch to enforce a non-blinking, FreeBSD-syscons like > block cursor in console mode. > > This is useful for laptop types, or people like me who really really > detest a blinking cursor. > > NOTE: It disables the softcursor escape codes > (/usr/src/linux/Documentation/VGA-softcursor.txt), since I don't > ever want anything to change my cursor shape/style :) > > It applies cleanly against 2.4.5, to use, select: > > 'VGA block cursor (non-blinking) support' in the 'Console drivers' > section of menuconfig. You want softcursor to be used after console reset. Ok. I want non-standard pallete after console reset. Should I also add an option? What could make sense would be "Escape sequence to do after console reset". You could type there softcursor sequence to make it solid, and I could type there sequence to change my pallete. Seems less ugly than special config option for each such feature. Pavel -- I'm [EMAIL PROTECTED] "In my country we have almost anarchy and I don't care." Panos Katsaloulis describing me w.r.t. patents at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
Hi! Attached is a patch to enforce a non-blinking, FreeBSD-syscons like block cursor in console mode. This is useful for laptop types, or people like me who really really detest a blinking cursor. NOTE: It disables the softcursor escape codes (/usr/src/linux/Documentation/VGA-softcursor.txt), since I don't ever want anything to change my cursor shape/style :) It applies cleanly against 2.4.5, to use, select: 'VGA block cursor (non-blinking) support' in the 'Console drivers' section of menuconfig. You want softcursor to be used after console reset. Ok. I want non-standard pallete after console reset. Should I also add an option? What could make sense would be Escape sequence to do after console reset. You could type there softcursor sequence to make it solid, and I could type there sequence to change my pallete. Seems less ugly than special config option for each such feature. Pavel -- I'm [EMAIL PROTECTED] In my country we have almost anarchy and I don't care. Panos Katsaloulis describing me w.r.t. patents at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 01:44:40AM +0200, Daniel Phillips wrote: > IBM had lots of ideas about how computers should work. Remember the keyboard > keys that when CLACK CLACK CLACK. Thank god they turned out to be too > expensive to clone - nobody misses them now. I actually like that kind of keyboards, they're extremely reliable and are great to use. Anyway, my point is that keyboards are a matter of taste, just like blinking or non-blinking cursors are. Erik -- J.A.K. (Erik) Mouw, Information and Communication Theory Group, Department of Electrical Engineering, Faculty of Information Technology and Systems, Delft University of Technology, PO BOX 5031, 2600 GA Delft, The Netherlands Phone: +31-15-2783635 Fax: +31-15-2781843 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www-ict.its.tudelft.nl/~erik/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 01:44:40AM +0200, Daniel Phillips wrote: IBM had lots of ideas about how computers should work. Remember the keyboard keys that when CLACK CLACK CLACK. Thank god they turned out to be too expensive to clone - nobody misses them now. I actually like that kind of keyboards, they're extremely reliable and are great to use. Anyway, my point is that keyboards are a matter of taste, just like blinking or non-blinking cursors are. Erik -- J.A.K. (Erik) Mouw, Information and Communication Theory Group, Department of Electrical Engineering, Faculty of Information Technology and Systems, Delft University of Technology, PO BOX 5031, 2600 GA Delft, The Netherlands Phone: +31-15-2783635 Fax: +31-15-2781843 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www-ict.its.tudelft.nl/~erik/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 05:52:39AM +0200, Mike Galbraith wrote: > On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > > Ever wonder why IBM supports Linux instead of FreeBSD? Hmmm? > > I bet it has more to do with growth curves than cursor style :) don't kid yourself. cursor style is the #1 reason for OS adoption in the US. -- John Lenton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Random fortune: 24 horas num dia, 24 cervejas numa caixa. Coincidência? PGP signature
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > Of course FreeBSD has a block cursor. It was easy to program, > and it seems nice to the pot-smoking hippies out in Berkeley. > FreeBSD doesn't define standards. FreeBSD breaks standards. > (zombie creation, "ps -ef", partition tables, pty allocation...) > Gee, kind of like Microsoft, except Microsoft got the cursor right! > > Ever wonder why IBM supports Linux instead of FreeBSD? Hmmm? I bet it has more to do with growth curves than cursor style :) -Mike - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Saturday 16 June 2001 02:03, Josh Myer wrote: > Anyway, this is a silly discusson in general, i figured i would throw in > my $0.02 (strong US cents!) It's a slow news day ;-) -- Daniel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Daniel Phillips wrote: > Ask the original poster if he's willing to take the risk of going with an xor > cursor. We are talking text mode, right? No way to get rid of that blinking > text cursor, ever. Tell me, do you like having the colon blink on your alarm > clock too? Personally, I opened the thing up and put a piece of tape over it. > Aha! A software weenie! A real hardware hacker would have snipped and soldered it to VCC to get a constant (or add a switch for solid/blink =). In any case, this strikes me as a matter of policy. I don't care one way or the other, but if people want a solid cursor, it's not something that we can really deny them that (unless it's a binary-only driver for the cursor, of course). Anyway, this is a silly discusson in general, i figured i would throw in my $0.02 (strong US cents!) > IBM had lots of ideas about how computers should work. Remember the keyboard > keys that when CLACK CLACK CLACK. Thank god they turned out to be too > expensive to clone - nobody misses them now. > *CLACK CLACK CLACK* (posted with a Model M) -- /jbm, but you can call me Josh. Really, you can. "When lasers are outlawed, only outlaws will have lasers" -- from http://www.altair.org/CO2laser.htm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Friday 15 June 2001 21:38, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > Daniel Phillips writes: > > On Friday 15 June 2001 21:21, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > >> Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. > >> You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor > >> to proper behavior as defined by IBM. > > > > Just one question Albert: why doesn't my mouse cursor blink? ;-) > > 1. confusion with the text cursor, which should blink > 2. need for continuous pixel-to-pixel accuracy with the mouse > 3. you can wiggle your mouse as needed to find the mouse cursor 4. It would be bloody annoying. Some people find the blinking text cursor equally annoying, you appear to be trying to dictate what their options should be. > Apps do funny things when you try to wiggle the text cursor > with the arrow keys, and movement tends to be harshly constrained. > So the blinking is important. Ask the original poster if he's willing to take the risk of going with an xor cursor. We are talking text mode, right? No way to get rid of that blinking text cursor, ever. Tell me, do you like having the colon blink on your alarm clock too? Personally, I opened the thing up and put a piece of tape over it. As I recall, one of the popular projects when the IBM PC first came out was trying to get the cursor to stop blinking. No luck, IBM had hardwired in a special trace to make sure you couldn't. You could or two blink patterns together, but never get it to stop. Since we are now in a position to dictate, why don't we continue that grand tradition. IBM had lots of ideas about how computers should work. Remember the keyboard keys that when CLACK CLACK CLACK. Thank god they turned out to be too expensive to clone - nobody misses them now. When people ask for such options it's not because they want to make *your* cursor stop blinking, it's because they want *theirs* to stop. -- Daniel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 03:21:54PM -0400, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. > You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor > to proper behavior as defined by IBM. I don't want them to, because I prefer non-blinking. It feels more solid, kind of like driving a tank instead of a little dune buggy ;) > The blinking cursor is implemented in your video hardware. > IBM knew what was right for you. Uh, said hardware lets you disable the blinking. Maybe in a slightly non-standard way, who cares? > Of course FreeBSD has a block cursor. It was easy to program, > and it seems nice to the pot-smoking hippies out in Berkeley. > FreeBSD doesn't define standards. FreeBSD breaks standards. > (zombie creation, "ps -ef", partition tables, pty allocation...) It's all about choice, man. I want the choice to have certain behaviour if I wish. -- lj breedt coder - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On 15 Jun 01 at 21:34, Daniel Phillips wrote: > On Friday 15 June 2001 21:21, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > > Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. > > You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor > > to proper behavior as defined by IBM. > > Just one question Albert: why doesn't my mouse cursor blink? ;-) Because of you can move mouse cursor - moving mouse usually does not have serious side effect. Normal cursor cannot be moved without sideeffects, so you cannot find it so easy. If you want, just plug matrox into your laptop and use matroxfb. It restarts cursor blinking cycle on each character printed to screen, so while you are typing, you still see cursor, but if you stop typing, cursor starts blinking... Just my 0.02Kc. Best regards, Petr Vandrovec [EMAIL PROTECTED] [matroxfb has also noblink option because HPA wanted it. But it is another story] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
Daniel Phillips writes: > On Friday 15 June 2001 21:21, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: >> Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. >> You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor >> to proper behavior as defined by IBM. > > Just one question Albert: why doesn't my mouse cursor blink? ;-) 1. confusion with the text cursor, which should blink 2. need for continuous pixel-to-pixel accuracy with the mouse 3. you can wiggle your mouse as needed to find the mouse cursor Apps do funny things when you try to wiggle the text cursor with the arrow keys, and movement tends to be harshly constrained. So the blinking is important. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Friday 15 June 2001 21:21, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: > Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. > You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor > to proper behavior as defined by IBM. Just one question Albert: why doesn't my mouse cursor blink? ;-) -- Daniel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
Leon Breedt writes: > Attached is a patch to enforce a non-blinking, FreeBSD-syscons like > block cursor in console mode. > > This is useful for laptop types, or people like me who really really > detest a blinking cursor. > > NOTE: It disables the softcursor escape codes > (/usr/src/linux/Documentation/VGA-softcursor.txt), since I don't > ever want anything to change my cursor shape/style :) I've seen this 666 times too often. Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor to proper behavior as defined by IBM. The blinking cursor is implemented in your video hardware. IBM knew what was right for you. Millions of people know that the blinking cursor is good. It is so right that a proper GUI will implement the blinking cursor even without hardware support. Of course FreeBSD has a block cursor. It was easy to program, and it seems nice to the pot-smoking hippies out in Berkeley. FreeBSD doesn't define standards. FreeBSD breaks standards. (zombie creation, "ps -ef", partition tables, pty allocation...) Gee, kind of like Microsoft, except Microsoft got the cursor right! Ever wonder why IBM supports Linux instead of FreeBSD? Hmmm? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
Leon Breedt writes: Attached is a patch to enforce a non-blinking, FreeBSD-syscons like block cursor in console mode. This is useful for laptop types, or people like me who really really detest a blinking cursor. NOTE: It disables the softcursor escape codes (/usr/src/linux/Documentation/VGA-softcursor.txt), since I don't ever want anything to change my cursor shape/style :) I've seen this 666 times too often. Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor to proper behavior as defined by IBM. The blinking cursor is implemented in your video hardware. IBM knew what was right for you. Millions of people know that the blinking cursor is good. It is so right that a proper GUI will implement the blinking cursor even without hardware support. Of course FreeBSD has a block cursor. It was easy to program, and it seems nice to the pot-smoking hippies out in Berkeley. FreeBSD doesn't define standards. FreeBSD breaks standards. (zombie creation, ps -ef, partition tables, pty allocation...) Gee, kind of like Microsoft, except Microsoft got the cursor right! Ever wonder why IBM supports Linux instead of FreeBSD? Hmmm? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Friday 15 June 2001 21:21, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor to proper behavior as defined by IBM. Just one question Albert: why doesn't my mouse cursor blink? ;-) -- Daniel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
Daniel Phillips writes: On Friday 15 June 2001 21:21, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor to proper behavior as defined by IBM. Just one question Albert: why doesn't my mouse cursor blink? ;-) 1. confusion with the text cursor, which should blink 2. need for continuous pixel-to-pixel accuracy with the mouse 3. you can wiggle your mouse as needed to find the mouse cursor Apps do funny things when you try to wiggle the text cursor with the arrow keys, and movement tends to be harshly constrained. So the blinking is important. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On 15 Jun 01 at 21:34, Daniel Phillips wrote: On Friday 15 June 2001 21:21, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor to proper behavior as defined by IBM. Just one question Albert: why doesn't my mouse cursor blink? ;-) Because of you can move mouse cursor - moving mouse usually does not have serious side effect. Normal cursor cannot be moved without sideeffects, so you cannot find it so easy. If you want, just plug matrox into your laptop and use matroxfb. It restarts cursor blinking cycle on each character printed to screen, so while you are typing, you still see cursor, but if you stop typing, cursor starts blinking... Just my 0.02Kc. Best regards, Petr Vandrovec [EMAIL PROTECTED] [matroxfb has also noblink option because HPA wanted it. But it is another story] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Fri, Jun 15, 2001 at 03:21:54PM -0400, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor to proper behavior as defined by IBM. I don't want them to, because I prefer non-blinking. It feels more solid, kind of like driving a tank instead of a little dune buggy ;) The blinking cursor is implemented in your video hardware. IBM knew what was right for you. Uh, said hardware lets you disable the blinking. Maybe in a slightly non-standard way, who cares? Of course FreeBSD has a block cursor. It was easy to program, and it seems nice to the pot-smoking hippies out in Berkeley. FreeBSD doesn't define standards. FreeBSD breaks standards. (zombie creation, ps -ef, partition tables, pty allocation...) It's all about choice, man. I want the choice to have certain behaviour if I wish. -- lj breedt coder - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Friday 15 June 2001 21:38, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: Daniel Phillips writes: On Friday 15 June 2001 21:21, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: Non-blinking cursors are just wrong. You need to patch your brain. You really fucked up, because now apps can't restore your cursor to proper behavior as defined by IBM. Just one question Albert: why doesn't my mouse cursor blink? ;-) 1. confusion with the text cursor, which should blink 2. need for continuous pixel-to-pixel accuracy with the mouse 3. you can wiggle your mouse as needed to find the mouse cursor 4. It would be bloody annoying. Some people find the blinking text cursor equally annoying, you appear to be trying to dictate what their options should be. Apps do funny things when you try to wiggle the text cursor with the arrow keys, and movement tends to be harshly constrained. So the blinking is important. Ask the original poster if he's willing to take the risk of going with an xor cursor. We are talking text mode, right? No way to get rid of that blinking text cursor, ever. Tell me, do you like having the colon blink on your alarm clock too? Personally, I opened the thing up and put a piece of tape over it. As I recall, one of the popular projects when the IBM PC first came out was trying to get the cursor to stop blinking. No luck, IBM had hardwired in a special trace to make sure you couldn't. You could or two blink patterns together, but never get it to stop. Since we are now in a position to dictate, why don't we continue that grand tradition. IBM had lots of ideas about how computers should work. Remember the keyboard keys that when CLACK CLACK CLACK. Thank god they turned out to be too expensive to clone - nobody misses them now. When people ask for such options it's not because they want to make *your* cursor stop blinking, it's because they want *theirs* to stop. -- Daniel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Saturday 16 June 2001 02:03, Josh Myer wrote: Anyway, this is a silly discusson in general, i figured i would throw in my $0.02 (strong US cents!) It's a slow news day ;-) -- Daniel - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Sat, 16 Jun 2001, Daniel Phillips wrote: Ask the original poster if he's willing to take the risk of going with an xor cursor. We are talking text mode, right? No way to get rid of that blinking text cursor, ever. Tell me, do you like having the colon blink on your alarm clock too? Personally, I opened the thing up and put a piece of tape over it. Aha! A software weenie! A real hardware hacker would have snipped and soldered it to VCC to get a constant (or add a switch for solid/blink =). In any case, this strikes me as a matter of policy. I don't care one way or the other, but if people want a solid cursor, it's not something that we can really deny them that (unless it's a binary-only driver for the cursor, of course). Anyway, this is a silly discusson in general, i figured i would throw in my $0.02 (strong US cents!) IBM had lots of ideas about how computers should work. Remember the keyboard keys that when CLACK CLACK CLACK. Thank god they turned out to be too expensive to clone - nobody misses them now. *CLACK CLACK CLACK* (posted with a Model M) -- /jbm, but you can call me Josh. Really, you can. When lasers are outlawed, only outlaws will have lasers -- from http://www.altair.org/CO2laser.htm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: Of course FreeBSD has a block cursor. It was easy to program, and it seems nice to the pot-smoking hippies out in Berkeley. FreeBSD doesn't define standards. FreeBSD breaks standards. (zombie creation, ps -ef, partition tables, pty allocation...) Gee, kind of like Microsoft, except Microsoft got the cursor right! Ever wonder why IBM supports Linux instead of FreeBSD? Hmmm? I bet it has more to do with growth curves than cursor style :) -Mike - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: [patch] nonblinking VGA block cursor
On Sat, Jun 16, 2001 at 05:52:39AM +0200, Mike Galbraith wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, Albert D. Cahalan wrote: Ever wonder why IBM supports Linux instead of FreeBSD? Hmmm? I bet it has more to do with growth curves than cursor style :) don't kid yourself. cursor style is the #1 reason for OS adoption in the US. -- John Lenton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- Random fortune: 24 horas num dia, 24 cervejas numa caixa. Coincidência? PGP signature
