Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Samstag, 10. Januar 2015, 23:06:53 schrieb Al Viro: >> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:25:39PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: >> > > ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev >> > > way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that >> > > matter. >> > >> > You mean systemd by that? >> >> Yes, I do. Has it been merged into any other? > > Not that I am aware of. > > I was just surprised to read such clear words about systemd from a kernel > developer – now I wonder why tough. I think I thought most were in support for > it. Not at all. -- Thanks, //richard -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sun 2015-01-11 10:04:26, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Samstag, 10. Januar 2015, 23:06:53 schrieb Al Viro: > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:25:39PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev > > > > way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that > > > > matter. > > > > > > You mean systemd by that? > > > > Yes, I do. Has it been merged into any other? > > Not that I am aware of. > > I was just surprised to read such clear words about systemd from a kernel > developer – now I wonder why tough. I think I thought most were in support > for > it. I wonder where you got that impression. Anyway, this discussion is slightly offtopic on lkml. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
Am Samstag, 10. Januar 2015, 23:06:53 schrieb Al Viro: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:25:39PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev > > > way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that > > > matter. > > > > You mean systemd by that? > > Yes, I do. Has it been merged into any other? Not that I am aware of. I was just surprised to read such clear words about systemd from a kernel developer – now I wonder why tough. I think I thought most were in support for it. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Samstag, 10. Januar 2015, 23:06:53 schrieb Al Viro: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:25:39PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that matter. You mean systemd by that? Yes, I do. Has it been merged into any other? Not that I am aware of. I was just surprised to read such clear words about systemd from a kernel developer – now I wonder why tough. I think I thought most were in support for it. Not at all. -- Thanks, //richard -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
Am Samstag, 10. Januar 2015, 23:06:53 schrieb Al Viro: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:25:39PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that matter. You mean systemd by that? Yes, I do. Has it been merged into any other? Not that I am aware of. I was just surprised to read such clear words about systemd from a kernel developer – now I wonder why tough. I think I thought most were in support for it. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sun 2015-01-11 10:04:26, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Samstag, 10. Januar 2015, 23:06:53 schrieb Al Viro: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:25:39PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that matter. You mean systemd by that? Yes, I do. Has it been merged into any other? Not that I am aware of. I was just surprised to read such clear words about systemd from a kernel developer – now I wonder why tough. I think I thought most were in support for it. I wonder where you got that impression. Anyway, this discussion is slightly offtopic on lkml. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:25:39PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev > > way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that > > matter. > > You mean systemd by that? Yes, I do. Has it been merged into any other? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
Hi, On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 09:18:05PM +, Al Viro wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 09:13:35PM +0200, Aaro Koskinen wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: > > > N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well > > > debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was > > > fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work > > > with 2.6.28... > > > > I guess you will have many other issues too if you want to run > > such combination (legacy kernel + modern userspace). E.g. current glibc > > requires >= 2.6.32. > > How current is current and just what does it require in 2.6.32? In glibc 2.20 the minimum kernel version was increased to 2.6.32. Maybe this patch gives some examples what features they now expect to be present: https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2014-04/msg00691.html But looks like Debian 7 is not bleeding-edge and is using older version... A. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat 2015-01-10 21:18:05, Al Viro wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 09:13:35PM +0200, Aaro Koskinen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: > > > N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well > > > debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was > > > fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work > > > with 2.6.28... > > > > I guess you will have many other issues too if you want to run > > such combination (legacy kernel + modern userspace). E.g. current glibc > > requires >= 2.6.32. > > How current is current and just what does it require in 2.6.32? Debian 7 seems to contain root@n900:~# ls /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libc libc-2.13.so . And that one seems to be happy with 2.6.28. Its just udev that is the problem. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
Am Samstag, 10. Januar 2015, 21:18:58 schrieb Al Viro: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:17:10AM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > > > Yes, 3.18, please use that instead. > > > > > > Can't, sorry. My goal is to get 3.18/3.19 working, but I really need > > > working kernel to debug userland (and then use that userland to debug > > > kernel).> > > > > > Seriously, lots of things have changed, if you want to run a "new" > > > > version of udev with an old kernel, try eudev, they have been > > > > attempting > > > > to keep "legacy" support around in it, don't know how well it has been > > > > working though, you really are on your own. > > > > > > I was hoping someone has devtmpfs patches I could just apply over > > > 2.6.28 and get a working system? > > > > If you want such a crazy thing, you have all of the source to do it > > yourself, good luck. > > ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev > way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that > matter. You mean systemd by that? -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:17:10AM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > > Yes, 3.18, please use that instead. > > > > Can't, sorry. My goal is to get 3.18/3.19 working, but I really need > > working kernel to debug userland (and then use that userland to debug > > kernel). > > > > > Seriously, lots of things have changed, if you want to run a "new" > > > version of udev with an old kernel, try eudev, they have been attempting > > > to keep "legacy" support around in it, don't know how well it has been > > > working though, you really are on your own. > > > > I was hoping someone has devtmpfs patches I could just apply over > > 2.6.28 and get a working system? > > If you want such a crazy thing, you have all of the source to do it > yourself, good luck. ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that matter. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 09:13:35PM +0200, Aaro Koskinen wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: > > N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well > > debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was > > fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work > > with 2.6.28... > > I guess you will have many other issues too if you want to run > such combination (legacy kernel + modern userspace). E.g. current glibc > requires >= 2.6.32. How current is current and just what does it require in 2.6.32? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On 2015-01-10 19:09 +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: > I was hoping someone has devtmpfs patches I could just apply over > 2.6.28 and get a working system? IIRC the udev version in Debian 7 does not require devtmpfs (that became mandatory only in udev 176), but kernel 2.6.32 or higher is required for other reasons. See commit 67a77c8bf299f6264f001677becd056316ebce2f in udev[1]. Cheers, Sven 1. https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/hotplug/udev.git/commit/?id=67a77c8bf299f6264f001677becd056316ebce2f -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
Hi, On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: > N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well > debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was > fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work > with 2.6.28... I guess you will have many other issues too if you want to run such combination (legacy kernel + modern userspace). E.g. current glibc requires >= 2.6.32. A. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 07:09:42PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: > On Sat 2015-01-10 10:05:32, Greg KH wrote: > > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > > > N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well > > > debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was > > > fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work > > > with 2.6.28... > > > > > > Does anyone have kernel patches to enable modern udev? > > > > Yes, 3.18, please use that instead. > > Can't, sorry. My goal is to get 3.18/3.19 working, but I really need > working kernel to debug userland (and then use that userland to debug kernel). > > > Seriously, lots of things have changed, if you want to run a "new" > > version of udev with an old kernel, try eudev, they have been attempting > > to keep "legacy" support around in it, don't know how well it has been > > working though, you really are on your own. > > I was hoping someone has devtmpfs patches I could just apply over > 2.6.28 and get a working system? If you want such a crazy thing, you have all of the source to do it yourself, good luck. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat 2015-01-10 10:05:32, Greg KH wrote: > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: > > Hi! > > > > N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well > > debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was > > fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work > > with 2.6.28... > > > > Does anyone have kernel patches to enable modern udev? > > Yes, 3.18, please use that instead. Can't, sorry. My goal is to get 3.18/3.19 working, but I really need working kernel to debug userland (and then use that userland to debug kernel). > Seriously, lots of things have changed, if you want to run a "new" > version of udev with an old kernel, try eudev, they have been attempting > to keep "legacy" support around in it, don't know how well it has been > working though, you really are on your own. I was hoping someone has devtmpfs patches I could just apply over 2.6.28 and get a working system? (Alternatively, I guess I should be able to do mknod manually. But unfortunately ALSA does not want to work when I do that... and I really need audio and modem support.) Thanks, Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: > Hi! > > N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well > debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was > fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work > with 2.6.28... > > Does anyone have kernel patches to enable modern udev? Yes, 3.18, please use that instead. Seriously, lots of things have changed, if you want to run a "new" version of udev with an old kernel, try eudev, they have been attempting to keep "legacy" support around in it, don't know how well it has been working though, you really are on your own. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 09:13:35PM +0200, Aaro Koskinen wrote: Hi, On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work with 2.6.28... I guess you will have many other issues too if you want to run such combination (legacy kernel + modern userspace). E.g. current glibc requires = 2.6.32. How current is current and just what does it require in 2.6.32? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:17:10AM -0800, Greg KH wrote: Yes, 3.18, please use that instead. Can't, sorry. My goal is to get 3.18/3.19 working, but I really need working kernel to debug userland (and then use that userland to debug kernel). Seriously, lots of things have changed, if you want to run a new version of udev with an old kernel, try eudev, they have been attempting to keep legacy support around in it, don't know how well it has been working though, you really are on your own. I was hoping someone has devtmpfs patches I could just apply over 2.6.28 and get a working system? If you want such a crazy thing, you have all of the source to do it yourself, good luck. ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that matter. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat 2015-01-10 10:05:32, Greg KH wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: Hi! N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work with 2.6.28... Does anyone have kernel patches to enable modern udev? Yes, 3.18, please use that instead. Can't, sorry. My goal is to get 3.18/3.19 working, but I really need working kernel to debug userland (and then use that userland to debug kernel). Seriously, lots of things have changed, if you want to run a new version of udev with an old kernel, try eudev, they have been attempting to keep legacy support around in it, don't know how well it has been working though, you really are on your own. I was hoping someone has devtmpfs patches I could just apply over 2.6.28 and get a working system? (Alternatively, I guess I should be able to do mknod manually. But unfortunately ALSA does not want to work when I do that... and I really need audio and modem support.) Thanks, Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 07:09:42PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: On Sat 2015-01-10 10:05:32, Greg KH wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: Hi! N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work with 2.6.28... Does anyone have kernel patches to enable modern udev? Yes, 3.18, please use that instead. Can't, sorry. My goal is to get 3.18/3.19 working, but I really need working kernel to debug userland (and then use that userland to debug kernel). Seriously, lots of things have changed, if you want to run a new version of udev with an old kernel, try eudev, they have been attempting to keep legacy support around in it, don't know how well it has been working though, you really are on your own. I was hoping someone has devtmpfs patches I could just apply over 2.6.28 and get a working system? If you want such a crazy thing, you have all of the source to do it yourself, good luck. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
Hi, On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work with 2.6.28... I guess you will have many other issues too if you want to run such combination (legacy kernel + modern userspace). E.g. current glibc requires = 2.6.32. A. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On 2015-01-10 19:09 +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: I was hoping someone has devtmpfs patches I could just apply over 2.6.28 and get a working system? IIRC the udev version in Debian 7 does not require devtmpfs (that became mandatory only in udev 176), but kernel 2.6.32 or higher is required for other reasons. See commit 67a77c8bf299f6264f001677becd056316ebce2f in udev[1]. Cheers, Sven 1. https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/hotplug/udev.git/commit/?id=67a77c8bf299f6264f001677becd056316ebce2f -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
Am Samstag, 10. Januar 2015, 21:18:58 schrieb Al Viro: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 10:17:10AM -0800, Greg KH wrote: Yes, 3.18, please use that instead. Can't, sorry. My goal is to get 3.18/3.19 working, but I really need working kernel to debug userland (and then use that userland to debug kernel). Seriously, lots of things have changed, if you want to run a new version of udev with an old kernel, try eudev, they have been attempting to keep legacy support around in it, don't know how well it has been working though, you really are on your own. I was hoping someone has devtmpfs patches I could just apply over 2.6.28 and get a working system? If you want such a crazy thing, you have all of the source to do it yourself, good luck. ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that matter. You mean systemd by that? -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: Hi! N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work with 2.6.28... Does anyone have kernel patches to enable modern udev? Yes, 3.18, please use that instead. Seriously, lots of things have changed, if you want to run a new version of udev with an old kernel, try eudev, they have been attempting to keep legacy support around in it, don't know how well it has been working though, you really are on your own. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat 2015-01-10 21:18:05, Al Viro wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 09:13:35PM +0200, Aaro Koskinen wrote: Hi, On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work with 2.6.28... I guess you will have many other issues too if you want to run such combination (legacy kernel + modern userspace). E.g. current glibc requires = 2.6.32. How current is current and just what does it require in 2.6.32? Debian 7 seems to contain root@n900:~# ls /lib/arm-linux-gnueabi/libc libc-2.13.so . And that one seems to be happy with 2.6.28. Its just udev that is the problem. Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 11:25:39PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: ... and this, boys and girls, is why quite a few of us have loathed udev way before it got merged into even nastier shitpile. Still do, for that matter. You mean systemd by that? Yes, I do. Has it been merged into any other? -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Getting new udev to run with 2.6.28
Hi, On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 09:18:05PM +, Al Viro wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 09:13:35PM +0200, Aaro Koskinen wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 06:39:20PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote: N900 has real problems on 3.19, and 2.6.28 should be very well debugged version. Getting it to compile on recent distribution was fun, but I succeeded. Unfortunately, Debian 7's udev does not work with 2.6.28... I guess you will have many other issues too if you want to run such combination (legacy kernel + modern userspace). E.g. current glibc requires = 2.6.32. How current is current and just what does it require in 2.6.32? In glibc 2.20 the minimum kernel version was increased to 2.6.32. Maybe this patch gives some examples what features they now expect to be present: https://sourceware.org/ml/libc-alpha/2014-04/msg00691.html But looks like Debian 7 is not bleeding-edge and is using older version... A. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
