Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
David Weinehall wrote: > > We don't provide the binutils or gcc with the kernel either. The 6502 > > is a rather well known processor. Try plonking "6502 assembler" in > > google and you'll have a lot of choice. > > Me likee, finally asm in the kernel I can grok. Someone else who has trouble with x86 asm, but rembers 6502 almost as well as their native language:) Of course the M68K and RISC code isn't too bad, but 6502 is still where I'm most comfortable. -Thomas - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
David Weinehall wrote: We don't provide the binutils or gcc with the kernel either. The 6502 is a rather well known processor. Try plonking 6502 assembler in google and you'll have a lot of choice. Me likee, finally asm in the kernel I can grok. Someone else who has trouble with x86 asm, but rembers 6502 almost as well as their native language:) Of course the M68K and RISC code isn't too bad, but 6502 is still where I'm most comfortable. -Thomas - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Keith Owens wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2001 05:36:20 -0400,
> Olivier Galibert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 07:07:38PM +1000, Keith Owens wrote:
> >> What is the point of including it in the kernel source tree without the
> >> code to convert it to ser_a2232fw.h? Nobody can use ser_a2232fw.ax, it
> >> is just bloat.
> >
> >We don't provide the binutils or gcc with the kernel either. The 6502
> >is a rather well known processor. Try plonking "6502 assembler" in
> >google and you'll have a lot of choice.
>
> I can accept that, but only if there is some documentation in
> drivers/char/Makefile to tell people which 6502 assembler to use and
> how it should be run, preferably including the commands used by the
> maintainer to generate ser_a2232fw.h. Comment out the commands to
> prevent them being used by mistake (we don't want another aic7xxx
> debacle) but it should be documented.
AFAIK the binary hexdump was generated by a proprietary assembler _many_ years
ago.
Of course it would be nice if someone would find an OSS 6502 assembler that is
able to assemble the file. Given that it's been years ago someone actually
changed the firmware code, I think the SGML tag surrounding this paragraph is
appropriate.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
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Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 05:36:20AM -0400, Olivier Galibert wrote: > On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 07:07:38PM +1000, Keith Owens wrote: > > On Wed, 23 May 2001 09:17:08 +0200 (CEST), > > Geert Uytterhoeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >On Wed, 23 May 2001, Keith Owens wrote: > > >> Is drivers/char/ser_a2232fw.ax supposed to be included? Nothing uses it. > > > > > >It's the source for the firmware hexdump in ser_a2232fw.h, provided as a > > >reference. > > > > What is the point of including it in the kernel source tree without the > > code to convert it to ser_a2232fw.h? Nobody can use ser_a2232fw.ax, it > > is just bloat. > > We don't provide the binutils or gcc with the kernel either. The 6502 > is a rather well known processor. Try plonking "6502 assembler" in > google and you'll have a lot of choice. Me likee, finally asm in the kernel I can grok. /Tao of TRIAD aka David Weinehall _ _ // David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> /> Northern lights wander \\ // Project MCA Linux hacker// Dance across the winter sky // \> http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao/http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
On Wed, 23 May 2001 05:36:20 -0400, Olivier Galibert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 07:07:38PM +1000, Keith Owens wrote: >> What is the point of including it in the kernel source tree without the >> code to convert it to ser_a2232fw.h? Nobody can use ser_a2232fw.ax, it >> is just bloat. > >We don't provide the binutils or gcc with the kernel either. The 6502 >is a rather well known processor. Try plonking "6502 assembler" in >google and you'll have a lot of choice. I can accept that, but only if there is some documentation in drivers/char/Makefile to tell people which 6502 assembler to use and how it should be run, preferably including the commands used by the maintainer to generate ser_a2232fw.h. Comment out the commands to prevent them being used by mistake (we don't want another aic7xxx debacle) but it should be documented. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 07:07:38PM +1000, Keith Owens wrote: > On Wed, 23 May 2001 09:17:08 +0200 (CEST), > Geert Uytterhoeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Wed, 23 May 2001, Keith Owens wrote: > >> Is drivers/char/ser_a2232fw.ax supposed to be included? Nothing uses it. > > > >It's the source for the firmware hexdump in ser_a2232fw.h, provided as a > >reference. > > What is the point of including it in the kernel source tree without the > code to convert it to ser_a2232fw.h? Nobody can use ser_a2232fw.ax, it > is just bloat. We don't provide the binutils or gcc with the kernel either. The 6502 is a rather well known processor. Try plonking "6502 assembler" in google and you'll have a lot of choice. Having the source with the .h helps doing this little thing called debugging. OG, who hates acenic_firmware.h for that exact same reason. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
On Wed, 23 May 2001 09:17:08 +0200 (CEST), Geert Uytterhoeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed, 23 May 2001, Keith Owens wrote: >> Is drivers/char/ser_a2232fw.ax supposed to be included? Nothing uses it. > >It's the source for the firmware hexdump in ser_a2232fw.h, provided as a >reference. What is the point of including it in the kernel source tree without the code to convert it to ser_a2232fw.h? Nobody can use ser_a2232fw.ax, it is just bloat. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Keith Owens wrote:
> Is drivers/char/ser_a2232fw.ax supposed to be included? Nothing uses it.
It's the source for the firmware hexdump in ser_a2232fw.h, provided as a
reference.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
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In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that.
-- Linus Torvalds
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Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Keith Owens wrote:
Is drivers/char/ser_a2232fw.ax supposed to be included? Nothing uses it.
It's the source for the firmware hexdump in ser_a2232fw.h, provided as a
reference.
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say programmer or something like that.
-- Linus Torvalds
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Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 07:07:38PM +1000, Keith Owens wrote: On Wed, 23 May 2001 09:17:08 +0200 (CEST), Geert Uytterhoeven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 May 2001, Keith Owens wrote: Is drivers/char/ser_a2232fw.ax supposed to be included? Nothing uses it. It's the source for the firmware hexdump in ser_a2232fw.h, provided as a reference. What is the point of including it in the kernel source tree without the code to convert it to ser_a2232fw.h? Nobody can use ser_a2232fw.ax, it is just bloat. We don't provide the binutils or gcc with the kernel either. The 6502 is a rather well known processor. Try plonking 6502 assembler in google and you'll have a lot of choice. Having the source with the .h helps doing this little thing called debugging. OG, who hates acenic_firmware.h for that exact same reason. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
On Wed, 23 May 2001 05:36:20 -0400, Olivier Galibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 07:07:38PM +1000, Keith Owens wrote: What is the point of including it in the kernel source tree without the code to convert it to ser_a2232fw.h? Nobody can use ser_a2232fw.ax, it is just bloat. We don't provide the binutils or gcc with the kernel either. The 6502 is a rather well known processor. Try plonking 6502 assembler in google and you'll have a lot of choice. I can accept that, but only if there is some documentation in drivers/char/Makefile to tell people which 6502 assembler to use and how it should be run, preferably including the commands used by the maintainer to generate ser_a2232fw.h. Comment out the commands to prevent them being used by mistake (we don't want another aic7xxx debacle) but it should be documented. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 05:36:20AM -0400, Olivier Galibert wrote: On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 07:07:38PM +1000, Keith Owens wrote: On Wed, 23 May 2001 09:17:08 +0200 (CEST), Geert Uytterhoeven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 May 2001, Keith Owens wrote: Is drivers/char/ser_a2232fw.ax supposed to be included? Nothing uses it. It's the source for the firmware hexdump in ser_a2232fw.h, provided as a reference. What is the point of including it in the kernel source tree without the code to convert it to ser_a2232fw.h? Nobody can use ser_a2232fw.ax, it is just bloat. We don't provide the binutils or gcc with the kernel either. The 6502 is a rather well known processor. Try plonking 6502 assembler in google and you'll have a lot of choice. Me likee, finally asm in the kernel I can grok. /Tao of TRIAD aka David Weinehall _ _ // David Weinehall [EMAIL PROTECTED] / Northern lights wander \\ // Project MCA Linux hacker// Dance across the winter sky // \ http://www.acc.umu.se/~tao// Full colour fire / - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
On Wed, 23 May 2001, Keith Owens wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2001 05:36:20 -0400,
Olivier Galibert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 07:07:38PM +1000, Keith Owens wrote:
What is the point of including it in the kernel source tree without the
code to convert it to ser_a2232fw.h? Nobody can use ser_a2232fw.ax, it
is just bloat.
We don't provide the binutils or gcc with the kernel either. The 6502
is a rather well known processor. Try plonking 6502 assembler in
google and you'll have a lot of choice.
I can accept that, but only if there is some documentation in
drivers/char/Makefile to tell people which 6502 assembler to use and
how it should be run, preferably including the commands used by the
maintainer to generate ser_a2232fw.h. Comment out the commands to
prevent them being used by mistake (we don't want another aic7xxx
debacle) but it should be documented.
AFAIK the binary hexdump was generated by a proprietary assembler _many_ years
ago.
wishful thinking
Of course it would be nice if someone would find an OSS 6502 assembler that is
able to assemble the file. Given that it's been years ago someone actually
changed the firmware code, I think the SGML tag surrounding this paragraph is
appropriate.
/wishful thinking
Gr{oetje,eeting}s,
Geert
--
Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But
when I'm talking to journalists I just say programmer or something like that.
-- Linus Torvalds
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Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
Is drivers/char/ser_a2232fw.ax supposed to be included? Nothing uses it. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Linux 2.4.4-ac14
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