Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-10 Thread Alan Cox
On Iau, 2005-03-10 at 09:06, Tupshin Harper wrote:
> Alan...since you disagreed with the earlier characterization of what it 
> would take to get into the mainline kernels, could you let us know what 
> it would take in your opinion? FWIW, I'm happily using it with a -ac kernel.

It needs some small changes in the base ide-disk code to handle drives
having only a logical geometry (legal but Linux can't cope). Most if not
all the other hooks are there to an extent the driver for the it821x can
work without core code changes. It might be cleaner with core changes
but it's better that the it821x code handles the weirdness of the
hardware.

Longer term it (and probably every other IDE PATA driver) should be
moved to the Jeff Garzik SATA layer. That's also Bart's position I
believe ?

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-10 Thread Tupshin Harper
Alan Cox wrote:
On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 22:22, CaT wrote:
 

Argh! Ok. I guess I shouldn't've just bought the card based on this
driver then so that I could better debug my problems with my promise
cards. 8(
   

Its good hardware. It does lots of neat things providing you run -ac
anyway. The raid1 performance is very good and it can do hotplug IDE
transparently in hardware raid modes. Its a good solid little
controller. 

Alan
Alan...since you disagreed with the earlier characterization of what it 
would take to get into the mainline kernels, could you let us know what 
it would take in your opinion? FWIW, I'm happily using it with a -ac kernel.

-Tupshin
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-10 Thread Denis Vlasenko
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 17:51, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 07:26, CaT wrote:
> > > Carried over from 2.6.10-ac
> > 
> > BTW. What's the probability of the ITE driver making it into the stock
> > kernel?
> 
> I have given up caring about the base kernel IDE code. I've tried to get
> stuff submitted and failed. I've no plan to waste further time on it.

Whee, boring times are over? I miss good old IDE flamewars :)
Let's add Andre in the mix, will be like lithium/hydrogen/fluorine
rocket fuel...

NB: this is a joke. In reality I wish Alan and Bart could
find a way to work together.
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-10 Thread Denis Vlasenko
On Wednesday 09 March 2005 17:51, Alan Cox wrote:
 On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 07:26, CaT wrote:
   Carried over from 2.6.10-ac
  
  BTW. What's the probability of the ITE driver making it into the stock
  kernel?
 
 I have given up caring about the base kernel IDE code. I've tried to get
 stuff submitted and failed. I've no plan to waste further time on it.

Whee, boring times are over? I miss good old IDE flamewars :)
Let's add Andre in the mix, will be like lithium/hydrogen/fluorine
rocket fuel...

NB: this is a joke. In reality I wish Alan and Bart could
find a way to work together.
--
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-10 Thread Tupshin Harper
Alan Cox wrote:
On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 22:22, CaT wrote:
 

Argh! Ok. I guess I shouldn't've just bought the card based on this
driver then so that I could better debug my problems with my promise
cards. 8(
   

Its good hardware. It does lots of neat things providing you run -ac
anyway. The raid1 performance is very good and it can do hotplug IDE
transparently in hardware raid modes. Its a good solid little
controller. 

Alan
Alan...since you disagreed with the earlier characterization of what it 
would take to get into the mainline kernels, could you let us know what 
it would take in your opinion? FWIW, I'm happily using it with a -ac kernel.

-Tupshin
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-10 Thread Alan Cox
On Iau, 2005-03-10 at 09:06, Tupshin Harper wrote:
 Alan...since you disagreed with the earlier characterization of what it 
 would take to get into the mainline kernels, could you let us know what 
 it would take in your opinion? FWIW, I'm happily using it with a -ac kernel.

It needs some small changes in the base ide-disk code to handle drives
having only a logical geometry (legal but Linux can't cope). Most if not
all the other hooks are there to an extent the driver for the it821x can
work without core code changes. It might be cleaner with core changes
but it's better that the it821x code handles the weirdness of the
hardware.

Longer term it (and probably every other IDE PATA driver) should be
moved to the Jeff Garzik SATA layer. That's also Bart's position I
believe ?

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread Alan Cox
On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 22:22, CaT wrote:
> Argh! Ok. I guess I shouldn't've just bought the card based on this
> driver then so that I could better debug my problems with my promise
> cards. 8(

Its good hardware. It does lots of neat things providing you run -ac
anyway. The raid1 performance is very good and it can do hotplug IDE
transparently in hardware raid modes. Its a good solid little
controller. 

Alan

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread CaT
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 05:43:02PM +0100, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:38:43 +, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 16:26, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> > > It can be merged if somebody fix it to always force controller into
> > > non-RAID mode and remove RAID mode support (which currently
> > > does nothing more besides complicating the driver and making special
> > > commands unusable).
> > 
> > Incorrect
> 
> Very helpful

Argh! Ok. I guess I shouldn't've just bought the card based on this
driver then so that I could better debug my problems with my promise
cards. 8(

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:38:43 +, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 16:26, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> > It can be merged if somebody fix it to always force controller into
> > non-RAID mode and remove RAID mode support (which currently
> > does nothing more besides complicating the driver and making special
> > commands unusable).
> 
> Incorrect

Very helpful
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread Alan Cox
On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 16:26, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
> It can be merged if somebody fix it to always force controller into
> non-RAID mode and remove RAID mode support (which currently
> does nothing more besides complicating the driver and making special
> commands unusable).

Incorrect

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 18:26:46 +1100, CaT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 09:34:22PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> > For a couple of reasons I've not yet merged Greg's 2.6.11.1 yet but this
> > diff should actually apply to either right now.
> >
> > 2.6.11-ac1
> > o Fix jbd race in ext3(Stephen Tweedie)
> >
> > Carried over from 2.6.10-ac
> 
> BTW. What's the probability of the ITE driver making it into the stock
> kernel?

It can be merged if somebody fix it to always force controller into
non-RAID mode and remove RAID mode support (which currently
does nothing more besides complicating the driver and making special
commands unusable).
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread Alan Cox
On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 07:26, CaT wrote:
> > Carried over from 2.6.10-ac
> 
> BTW. What's the probability of the ITE driver making it into the stock
> kernel?

I have given up caring about the base kernel IDE code. I've tried to get
stuff submitted and failed. I've no plan to waste further time on it.

Alan

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread Alan Cox
On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 07:26, CaT wrote:
  Carried over from 2.6.10-ac
 
 BTW. What's the probability of the ITE driver making it into the stock
 kernel?

I have given up caring about the base kernel IDE code. I've tried to get
stuff submitted and failed. I've no plan to waste further time on it.

Alan

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 18:26:46 +1100, CaT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 09:34:22PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
  For a couple of reasons I've not yet merged Greg's 2.6.11.1 yet but this
  diff should actually apply to either right now.
 
  2.6.11-ac1
  o Fix jbd race in ext3(Stephen Tweedie)
 
  Carried over from 2.6.10-ac
 
 BTW. What's the probability of the ITE driver making it into the stock
 kernel?

It can be merged if somebody fix it to always force controller into
non-RAID mode and remove RAID mode support (which currently
does nothing more besides complicating the driver and making special
commands unusable).
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread Alan Cox
On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 16:26, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
 It can be merged if somebody fix it to always force controller into
 non-RAID mode and remove RAID mode support (which currently
 does nothing more besides complicating the driver and making special
 commands unusable).

Incorrect

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:38:43 +, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 16:26, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
  It can be merged if somebody fix it to always force controller into
  non-RAID mode and remove RAID mode support (which currently
  does nothing more besides complicating the driver and making special
  commands unusable).
 
 Incorrect

Very helpful
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread CaT
On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 05:43:02PM +0100, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
 On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:38:43 +, Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 16:26, Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz wrote:
   It can be merged if somebody fix it to always force controller into
   non-RAID mode and remove RAID mode support (which currently
   does nothing more besides complicating the driver and making special
   commands unusable).
  
  Incorrect
 
 Very helpful

Argh! Ok. I guess I shouldn't've just bought the card based on this
driver then so that I could better debug my problems with my promise
cards. 8(

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-09 Thread Alan Cox
On Mer, 2005-03-09 at 22:22, CaT wrote:
 Argh! Ok. I guess I shouldn't've just bought the card based on this
 driver then so that I could better debug my problems with my promise
 cards. 8(

Its good hardware. It does lots of neat things providing you run -ac
anyway. The raid1 performance is very good and it can do hotplug IDE
transparently in hardware raid modes. Its a good solid little
controller. 

Alan

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-08 Thread CaT
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 09:34:22PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
> For a couple of reasons I've not yet merged Greg's 2.6.11.1 yet but this
> diff should actually apply to either right now.
> 
> 2.6.11-ac1
> o Fix jbd race in ext3(Stephen Tweedie)
> 
> Carried over from 2.6.10-ac

BTW. What's the probability of the ITE driver making it into the stock
kernel?

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-08 Thread Stephen C. Tweedie
Hi,

On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 06:49, Chris Wright wrote:

> Yes, we are intending to pick up bits from -ac (you might have missed
> that in another thread).

There's actually a successor patch to that which I'm just about to get
feedback on here and on ext2-devel.  It's higher-risk than the one Alan
has already picked up, but also hopefully closes the race much more
tightly throughout the whole of the jbd layer.

--Stephen


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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-08 Thread Andre Tomt
Alan Cox wrote:

Functionality
o   PWC USB camera driver
o   Working ULI526X support (added to base in .11 but broken)
o   ATP88x support
o   Intelligent misrouted IRQ handlers
o   Fix PCI boxes that take minutes IDE probing
o   Remove bogus confusing XFree86 keyboard message
o   Support fibre AMD pcnet32
o   Runtime configurable clock
| So you can run laptops usefully. Set 100Hz to fix
| the power drain, clock sliding and other problems
| 1000Hz causes
o   Fix token ring locking so token ring can be used again
o   x86_64/32 cross build fixes
o   NetROM locking fixes (so NetROM actually works!)
o   SUID dumpable support
o   Don't log pointless CD messages
o   Minimal stallion driver functionality
Incomplete list? Seems like there is quite a bit of changes in the diff 
not mentioned "changelog" - HPT, generic ide, ide_dma rename, serio 
"spank" stuff, pci ids

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-08 Thread Andre Tomt
Alan Cox wrote:
snip
Functionality
o   PWC USB camera driver
o   Working ULI526X support (added to base in .11 but broken)
o   ATP88x support
o   Intelligent misrouted IRQ handlers
o   Fix PCI boxes that take minutes IDE probing
o   Remove bogus confusing XFree86 keyboard message
o   Support fibre AMD pcnet32
o   Runtime configurable clock
| So you can run laptops usefully. Set 100Hz to fix
| the power drain, clock sliding and other problems
| 1000Hz causes
o   Fix token ring locking so token ring can be used again
o   x86_64/32 cross build fixes
o   NetROM locking fixes (so NetROM actually works!)
o   SUID dumpable support
o   Don't log pointless CD messages
o   Minimal stallion driver functionality
Incomplete list? Seems like there is quite a bit of changes in the diff 
not mentioned changelog - HPT, generic ide, ide_dma rename, serio 
spank stuff, pci ids

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-08 Thread Stephen C. Tweedie
Hi,

On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 06:49, Chris Wright wrote:

 Yes, we are intending to pick up bits from -ac (you might have missed
 that in another thread).

There's actually a successor patch to that which I'm just about to get
feedback on here and on ext2-devel.  It's higher-risk than the one Alan
has already picked up, but also hopefully closes the race much more
tightly throughout the whole of the jbd layer.

--Stephen


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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-08 Thread CaT
On Mon, Mar 07, 2005 at 09:34:22PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
 For a couple of reasons I've not yet merged Greg's 2.6.11.1 yet but this
 diff should actually apply to either right now.
 
 2.6.11-ac1
 o Fix jbd race in ext3(Stephen Tweedie)
 
 Carried over from 2.6.10-ac

BTW. What's the probability of the ITE driver making it into the stock
kernel?

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-07 Thread Clemens Schwaighofer
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On 03/08/2005 03:49 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
> * Clemens Schwaighofer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
>>>2.6.11-ac1
>>>oFix jbd race in ext3(Stephen Tweedie)
>>
>>will that patch actually appear in 2.6.11.2? At least it looks like a 
>>candidate for me ...
> 
> 
> Yes, we are intending to pick up bits from -ac (you might have missed
> that in another thread).

Probably. I am sorry :) I sort of got lost in the tons of RFD, etc
threads :)

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-07 Thread Chris Wright
* Clemens Schwaighofer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> --On Monday, March 07, 2005 09:34:22 PM + Alan Cox 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >For a couple of reasons I've not yet merged Greg's 2.6.11.1 yet but this
> >diff should actually apply to either right now.
> >
> >2.6.11-ac1
> >oFix jbd race in ext3(Stephen Tweedie)
> 
> will that patch actually appear in 2.6.11.2? At least it looks like a 
> candidate for me ...

Yes, we are intending to pick up bits from -ac (you might have missed
that in another thread).

thanks,
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-07 Thread Clemens Schwaighofer
--On Monday, March 07, 2005 09:34:22 PM + Alan Cox 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

For a couple of reasons I've not yet merged Greg's 2.6.11.1 yet but this
diff should actually apply to either right now.
2.6.11-ac1
o   Fix jbd race in ext3(Stephen Tweedie)
will that patch actually appear in 2.6.11.2? At least it looks like a 
candidate for me ...

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-07 Thread Indrek Kruusa
Yes yes yes! It almost seemed that your work on thesis stuff will kill 
-ac :(

Thank you!
Indrek
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-07 Thread Indrek Kruusa
Yes yes yes! It almost seemed that your work on thesis stuff will kill 
-ac :(

Thank you!
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-07 Thread Clemens Schwaighofer
--On Monday, March 07, 2005 09:34:22 PM + Alan Cox 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

For a couple of reasons I've not yet merged Greg's 2.6.11.1 yet but this
diff should actually apply to either right now.
2.6.11-ac1
o   Fix jbd race in ext3(Stephen Tweedie)
will that patch actually appear in 2.6.11.2? At least it looks like a 
candidate for me ...

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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-07 Thread Chris Wright
* Clemens Schwaighofer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 --On Monday, March 07, 2005 09:34:22 PM + Alan Cox 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 For a couple of reasons I've not yet merged Greg's 2.6.11.1 yet but this
 diff should actually apply to either right now.
 
 2.6.11-ac1
 oFix jbd race in ext3(Stephen Tweedie)
 
 will that patch actually appear in 2.6.11.2? At least it looks like a 
 candidate for me ...

Yes, we are intending to pick up bits from -ac (you might have missed
that in another thread).

thanks,
-chris
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Re: Linux 2.6.11-ac1

2005-03-07 Thread Clemens Schwaighofer
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On 03/08/2005 03:49 PM, Chris Wright wrote:
 * Clemens Schwaighofer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
2.6.11-ac1
oFix jbd race in ext3(Stephen Tweedie)

will that patch actually appear in 2.6.11.2? At least it looks like a 
candidate for me ...
 
 
 Yes, we are intending to pick up bits from -ac (you might have missed
 that in another thread).

Probably. I am sorry :) I sort of got lost in the tons of RFD, etc
threads :)

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