Re: Microsoft NT/W2K/Linux NTFS Repair/Debug Tool
Andre Hedrick wrote: > > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > > > > > Yes Andre, they did, they accussed me of knowingly conspiring with Linus > > to provide full NTFS on Linux based on the email you and I sent to > > Wait, this was a proposal of mine to MicroSoft to grant permission > development in a clean room model that only used white papers or other > stuff that could be extracted passively. > > I alos pointed out that this simple act of allowing open development of a > public NTFS would help them blow holes in the DOJ monopoly issue. > > > them. The agreements they signed with us were very liberal, and allowed > > us to create any tools and NTFS stuff we wanted, there were no > > non-competes, or anything to stop us from providing stuff on Linux. The way they took this was that we had changed sides in the war, since I was perceived to be approaching them with you. Here's what they said about you, "... We are concernd about the veracity of your associates. Despite the representations they have made to you, we have not been taking GPL code from Linux and using internally at Microsoft. This approach by these Linux people is little more than an attempt to [blackmail Microsoft] with unsubstanciated rumors. We see no benefit whatsoever to provided NTFS R/W capabilities on Linux ..." Not very nice to be sure. I know that black and white markings (like a penguin) are in style right now, but white and black stripes are not ! :-) > > Oh, where is your sence of ententainment. > You would have the backing of GEEKS with GUNS if it go messy, at least > this GEEK. I have the ability to litigate against them. They know this and I doubt will go any further than to bluster and threaten. Jeff > > > Cheers, > > Andre Hedrick > The Linux ATA/IDE guy > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Microsoft NT/W2K/Linux NTFS Repair/Debug Tool
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > > Yes Andre, they did, they accussed me of knowingly conspiring with Linus > to provide full NTFS on Linux based on the email you and I sent to Wait, this was a proposal of mine to MicroSoft to grant permission development in a clean room model that only used white papers or other stuff that could be extracted passively. I alos pointed out that this simple act of allowing open development of a public NTFS would help them blow holes in the DOJ monopoly issue. > them. The agreements they signed with us were very liberal, and allowed > us to create any tools and NTFS stuff we wanted, there were no > non-competes, or anything to stop us from providing stuff on Linux. If they leave the barn door open, not all the cows come home. > What they alleged was a belief that since we were going open source and > supporting Linux NTFS users, they believed it was impossible for me to > keep a "chinese wall" in place in my head between their IP and Linux This is because they have small brains and do not understand divided IP. > IP. A very valid example of the legal theory of the "doctrine of > inevitable disclosure". > > But I must admit, in fact what's going on here is that by pulling the > open source NDS for W2K off the table, I renigged on a "faustian" > agreement to open source NDS on W2K. This was compounded by the fact > that we released the MANOS sources with a complete NT/W2K PE and DLL > loader (which we wrote "clean room", one of their old tricks). They > found this very irritating. They were quite unconcerned about our NTFS > work on Linux until we posted MANOS and announced an Open Source > NetWare. You have to hate it when what goes around comes around! > We've started our "clean room" NTFS core and I've spent some late nights > working on it, and we doubt they will take any action since we dissolved > the agreement. The last thing they need is for me to take the stand and > testify just what kind of deals they offered to get us to leave Novell > in 1997 and divide the NetWare markets by using the "Linux IP > Laundry-Mat" to launder Novell's NDS for their consumption (Oh! Look > what we found on the internet and downloaded today!). Oh, where is your sence of ententainment. You would have the backing of GEEKS with GUNS if it go messy, at least this GEEK. > NDS would be a useless wart on the rump of Linux. It's for managing > large numbers of file and print servers, not internet/intranet servers > like Linux. Linux already has vastly superior internet directory > capabilities. Maybe they will live/die and learn ... Cheers, Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Microsoft NT/W2K/Linux NTFS Repair/Debug Tool
Yes Andre, they did, they accussed me of knowingly conspiring with Linus to provide full NTFS on Linux based on the email you and I sent to them. The agreements they signed with us were very liberal, and allowed us to create any tools and NTFS stuff we wanted, there were no non-competes, or anything to stop us from providing stuff on Linux. What they alleged was a belief that since we were going open source and supporting Linux NTFS users, they believed it was impossible for me to keep a "chinese wall" in place in my head between their IP and Linux IP. A very valid example of the legal theory of the "doctrine of inevitable disclosure". But I must admit, in fact what's going on here is that by pulling the open source NDS for W2K off the table, I renigged on a "faustian" agreement to open source NDS on W2K. This was compounded by the fact that we released the MANOS sources with a complete NT/W2K PE and DLL loader (which we wrote "clean room", one of their old tricks). They found this very irritating. They were quite unconcerned about our NTFS work on Linux until we posted MANOS and announced an Open Source NetWare. We've started our "clean room" NTFS core and I've spent some late nights working on it, and we doubt they will take any action since we dissolved the agreement. The last thing they need is for me to take the stand and testify just what kind of deals they offered to get us to leave Novell in 1997 and divide the NetWare markets by using the "Linux IP Laundry-Mat" to launder Novell's NDS for their consumption (Oh! Look what we found on the internet and downloaded today!). NDS would be a useless wart on the rump of Linux. It's for managing large numbers of file and print servers, not internet/intranet servers like Linux. Linux already has vastly superior internet directory capabilities. :-) Jeff :-) Jeff Andre Hedrick wrote: > > Wait they attacked you after the request for cross over support? > > On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > > > > > > > Cesar, > > > > Microsoft has threatened us with litigation due to our support of Linux > > NTFS development, and we have dissolved our NTFS licensing agreements > > with Microsoft in response to their demands that cease to support Linux > > development. Microsoft demanded that we delete any and all NTFS tools > > we had been providing to customers based on their intellectual > > property. As a result of this, we can no longer provide this tool in > > the United States. There are folks on the linux list, however, who can > > provide assistance, so I am forwarding you there. > > > > Jeff Merkey > > CEO, TRG > > > > > > "César F. Acebal" wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sir: > > > > > > I have just seen your message in the Linux Kernel Archive. The true is > > > that I have damaged my NTFS partition of Windows 2000 Server, and I was > > > wondering if there were a chance to recover the information on it (it > > > was all my data there, and I have no emergency repair disk). > > > > > > Can you help abot this, please? > > > > > > Thank you very much in advance! > > > > > > César F. Acebal > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > > > Andre Hedrick > The Linux ATA/IDE guy > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Microsoft NT/W2K/Linux NTFS Repair/Debug Tool
Wait they attacked you after the request for cross over support? On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > > > Cesar, > > Microsoft has threatened us with litigation due to our support of Linux > NTFS development, and we have dissolved our NTFS licensing agreements > with Microsoft in response to their demands that cease to support Linux > development. Microsoft demanded that we delete any and all NTFS tools > we had been providing to customers based on their intellectual > property. As a result of this, we can no longer provide this tool in > the United States. There are folks on the linux list, however, who can > provide assistance, so I am forwarding you there. > > Jeff Merkey > CEO, TRG > > > "César F. Acebal" wrote: > > > > Dear Sir: > > > > I have just seen your message in the Linux Kernel Archive. The true is > > that I have damaged my NTFS partition of Windows 2000 Server, and I was > > wondering if there were a chance to recover the information on it (it > > was all my data there, and I have no emergency repair disk). > > > > Can you help abot this, please? > > > > Thank you very much in advance! > > > > César F. Acebal > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Microsoft NT/W2K/Linux NTFS Repair/Debug Tool
Cesar, Microsoft has threatened us with litigation due to our support of Linux NTFS development, and we have dissolved our NTFS licensing agreements with Microsoft in response to their demands that cease to support Linux development. Microsoft demanded that we delete any and all NTFS tools we had been providing to customers based on their intellectual property. As a result of this, we can no longer provide this tool in the United States. There are folks on the linux list, however, who can provide assistance, so I am forwarding you there. Jeff Merkey CEO, TRG "César F. Acebal" wrote: > > Dear Sir: > > I have just seen your message in the Linux Kernel Archive. The true is > that I have damaged my NTFS partition of Windows 2000 Server, and I was > wondering if there were a chance to recover the information on it (it > was all my data there, and I have no emergency repair disk). > > Can you help abot this, please? > > Thank you very much in advance! > > César F. Acebal > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Microsoft NT/W2K/Linux NTFS Repair/Debug Tool
Cesar, Microsoft has threatened us with litigation due to our support of Linux NTFS development, and we have dissolved our NTFS licensing agreements with Microsoft in response to their demands that cease to support Linux development. Microsoft demanded that we delete any and all NTFS tools we had been providing to customers based on their intellectual property. As a result of this, we can no longer provide this tool in the United States. There are folks on the linux list, however, who can provide assistance, so I am forwarding you there. Jeff Merkey CEO, TRG "César F. Acebal" wrote: Dear Sir: I have just seen your message in the Linux Kernel Archive. The true is that I have damaged my NTFS partition of Windows 2000 Server, and I was wondering if there were a chance to recover the information on it (it was all my data there, and I have no emergency repair disk). Can you help abot this, please? Thank you very much in advance! César F. Acebal [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Microsoft NT/W2K/Linux NTFS Repair/Debug Tool
Wait they attacked you after the request for cross over support? On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: Cesar, Microsoft has threatened us with litigation due to our support of Linux NTFS development, and we have dissolved our NTFS licensing agreements with Microsoft in response to their demands that cease to support Linux development. Microsoft demanded that we delete any and all NTFS tools we had been providing to customers based on their intellectual property. As a result of this, we can no longer provide this tool in the United States. There are folks on the linux list, however, who can provide assistance, so I am forwarding you there. Jeff Merkey CEO, TRG "César F. Acebal" wrote: Dear Sir: I have just seen your message in the Linux Kernel Archive. The true is that I have damaged my NTFS partition of Windows 2000 Server, and I was wondering if there were a chance to recover the information on it (it was all my data there, and I have no emergency repair disk). Can you help abot this, please? Thank you very much in advance! César F. Acebal [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Microsoft NT/W2K/Linux NTFS Repair/Debug Tool
Yes Andre, they did, they accussed me of knowingly conspiring with Linus to provide full NTFS on Linux based on the email you and I sent to them. The agreements they signed with us were very liberal, and allowed us to create any tools and NTFS stuff we wanted, there were no non-competes, or anything to stop us from providing stuff on Linux. What they alleged was a belief that since we were going open source and supporting Linux NTFS users, they believed it was impossible for me to keep a "chinese wall" in place in my head between their IP and Linux IP. A very valid example of the legal theory of the "doctrine of inevitable disclosure". But I must admit, in fact what's going on here is that by pulling the open source NDS for W2K off the table, I renigged on a "faustian" agreement to open source NDS on W2K. This was compounded by the fact that we released the MANOS sources with a complete NT/W2K PE and DLL loader (which we wrote "clean room", one of their old tricks). They found this very irritating. They were quite unconcerned about our NTFS work on Linux until we posted MANOS and announced an Open Source NetWare. We've started our "clean room" NTFS core and I've spent some late nights working on it, and we doubt they will take any action since we dissolved the agreement. The last thing they need is for me to take the stand and testify just what kind of deals they offered to get us to leave Novell in 1997 and divide the NetWare markets by using the "Linux IP Laundry-Mat" to launder Novell's NDS for their consumption (Oh! Look what we found on the internet and downloaded today!). NDS would be a useless wart on the rump of Linux. It's for managing large numbers of file and print servers, not internet/intranet servers like Linux. Linux already has vastly superior internet directory capabilities. :-) Jeff :-) Jeff Andre Hedrick wrote: Wait they attacked you after the request for cross over support? On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: Cesar, Microsoft has threatened us with litigation due to our support of Linux NTFS development, and we have dissolved our NTFS licensing agreements with Microsoft in response to their demands that cease to support Linux development. Microsoft demanded that we delete any and all NTFS tools we had been providing to customers based on their intellectual property. As a result of this, we can no longer provide this tool in the United States. There are folks on the linux list, however, who can provide assistance, so I am forwarding you there. Jeff Merkey CEO, TRG "César F. Acebal" wrote: Dear Sir: I have just seen your message in the Linux Kernel Archive. The true is that I have damaged my NTFS partition of Windows 2000 Server, and I was wondering if there were a chance to recover the information on it (it was all my data there, and I have no emergency repair disk). Can you help abot this, please? Thank you very much in advance! César F. Acebal [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: Microsoft NT/W2K/Linux NTFS Repair/Debug Tool
On Thu, 14 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: Yes Andre, they did, they accussed me of knowingly conspiring with Linus to provide full NTFS on Linux based on the email you and I sent to Wait, this was a proposal of mine to MicroSoft to grant permission development in a clean room model that only used white papers or other stuff that could be extracted passively. I alos pointed out that this simple act of allowing open development of a public NTFS would help them blow holes in the DOJ monopoly issue. them. The agreements they signed with us were very liberal, and allowed us to create any tools and NTFS stuff we wanted, there were no non-competes, or anything to stop us from providing stuff on Linux. If they leave the barn door open, not all the cows come home. What they alleged was a belief that since we were going open source and supporting Linux NTFS users, they believed it was impossible for me to keep a "chinese wall" in place in my head between their IP and Linux This is because they have small brains and do not understand divided IP. IP. A very valid example of the legal theory of the "doctrine of inevitable disclosure". But I must admit, in fact what's going on here is that by pulling the open source NDS for W2K off the table, I renigged on a "faustian" agreement to open source NDS on W2K. This was compounded by the fact that we released the MANOS sources with a complete NT/W2K PE and DLL loader (which we wrote "clean room", one of their old tricks). They found this very irritating. They were quite unconcerned about our NTFS work on Linux until we posted MANOS and announced an Open Source NetWare. You have to hate it when what goes around comes around! We've started our "clean room" NTFS core and I've spent some late nights working on it, and we doubt they will take any action since we dissolved the agreement. The last thing they need is for me to take the stand and testify just what kind of deals they offered to get us to leave Novell in 1997 and divide the NetWare markets by using the "Linux IP Laundry-Mat" to launder Novell's NDS for their consumption (Oh! Look what we found on the internet and downloaded today!). Oh, where is your sence of ententainment. You would have the backing of GEEKS with GUNS if it go messy, at least this GEEK. NDS would be a useless wart on the rump of Linux. It's for managing large numbers of file and print servers, not internet/intranet servers like Linux. Linux already has vastly superior internet directory capabilities. Maybe they will live/die and learn ... Cheers, Andre Hedrick The Linux ATA/IDE guy - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
