Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-03 Thread Roland Dreier
 > PNI (Prescott New Instructions) was the original engineering code name. 
 > Unfortunately
 > it was added too early before the marketing name was known and then it 
 > couldn't be 
 > changed anymore.

... and just to make things more fun, SSE4 is sometimes called Penryn
New Instructions -- PNI all over again.

 - R.
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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-03 Thread Andi Kleen
On Thursday 03 May 2007 11:02:31 Avi Kivity wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
> > On Thursday 03 May 2007 00:56:26 Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> >   
> >> Andi Kleen wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.
> >>>
> >>> It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4
> >>>   
> >> OK, the problem is that the actual sse3 bit is misnamed.  According to
> >> Intel's docs bit 0 of ECX is "sse", the kernel uses "pni".  Too bad.
> >> 
> >
> > PNI (Prescott New Instructions) was the original engineering code name. 
> > Unfortunately
> > it was added too early before the marketing name was known and then it 
> > couldn't be 
> > changed anymore.
> >   
> 
> Perhaps sse3 could be added as an alias to pni.

That was considered at some point, but it would be a ugly special case and is
probably not worth it. Usually these flags are Greek for most people anyways
(and something else for the Greek speaking people @)

-Andi
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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-03 Thread Avi Kivity

Andi Kleen wrote:

On Thursday 03 May 2007 00:56:26 Ulrich Drepper wrote:
  

Andi Kleen wrote:


Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.

It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4
  

OK, the problem is that the actual sse3 bit is misnamed.  According to
Intel's docs bit 0 of ECX is "sse", the kernel uses "pni".  Too bad.



PNI (Prescott New Instructions) was the original engineering code name. 
Unfortunately
it was added too early before the marketing name was known and then it couldn't be 
changed anymore.
  


Perhaps sse3 could be added as an alias to pni.


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error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-03 Thread Andi Kleen
On Thursday 03 May 2007 00:56:26 Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
> > Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.
> > 
> > It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4
> 
> OK, the problem is that the actual sse3 bit is misnamed.  According to
> Intel's docs bit 0 of ECX is "sse", the kernel uses "pni".  Too bad.

PNI (Prescott New Instructions) was the original engineering code name. 
Unfortunately
it was added too early before the marketing name was known and then it couldn't 
be 
changed anymore.

-Andi

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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-03 Thread Andi Kleen
On Thursday 03 May 2007 00:56:26 Ulrich Drepper wrote:
 Andi Kleen wrote:
  Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.
  
  It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4
 
 OK, the problem is that the actual sse3 bit is misnamed.  According to
 Intel's docs bit 0 of ECX is sse, the kernel uses pni.  Too bad.

PNI (Prescott New Instructions) was the original engineering code name. 
Unfortunately
it was added too early before the marketing name was known and then it couldn't 
be 
changed anymore.

-Andi

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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-03 Thread Avi Kivity

Andi Kleen wrote:

On Thursday 03 May 2007 00:56:26 Ulrich Drepper wrote:
  

Andi Kleen wrote:


Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.

It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4
  

OK, the problem is that the actual sse3 bit is misnamed.  According to
Intel's docs bit 0 of ECX is sse, the kernel uses pni.  Too bad.



PNI (Prescott New Instructions) was the original engineering code name. 
Unfortunately
it was added too early before the marketing name was known and then it couldn't be 
changed anymore.
  


Perhaps sse3 could be added as an alias to pni.


--
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-03 Thread Andi Kleen
On Thursday 03 May 2007 11:02:31 Avi Kivity wrote:
 Andi Kleen wrote:
  On Thursday 03 May 2007 00:56:26 Ulrich Drepper wrote:

  Andi Kleen wrote:
  
  Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.
 
  It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4

  OK, the problem is that the actual sse3 bit is misnamed.  According to
  Intel's docs bit 0 of ECX is sse, the kernel uses pni.  Too bad.
  
 
  PNI (Prescott New Instructions) was the original engineering code name. 
  Unfortunately
  it was added too early before the marketing name was known and then it 
  couldn't be 
  changed anymore.

 
 Perhaps sse3 could be added as an alias to pni.

That was considered at some point, but it would be a ugly special case and is
probably not worth it. Usually these flags are Greek for most people anyways
(and something else for the Greek speaking people @)

-Andi
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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-03 Thread Roland Dreier
  PNI (Prescott New Instructions) was the original engineering code name. 
  Unfortunately
  it was added too early before the marketing name was known and then it 
  couldn't be 
  changed anymore.

... and just to make things more fun, SSE4 is sometimes called Penryn
New Instructions -- PNI all over again.

 - R.
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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-02 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> Andi Kleen wrote:
>> Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.
>>
>> It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4
> 
> OK, the problem is that the actual sse3 bit is misnamed.  According to
> Intel's docs bit 0 of ECX is "sse", the kernel uses "pni".  Too bad.

Intel has a nasty habit of renaming things after they are already
deployed in Linux.

-hpa
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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-02 Thread Ulrich Drepper
Andi Kleen wrote:
> Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.
> 
> It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4

OK, the problem is that the actual sse3 bit is misnamed.  According to
Intel's docs bit 0 of ECX is "sse", the kernel uses "pni".  Too bad.

-- 
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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-02 Thread Andi Kleen
On Thursday 03 May 2007 00:41:22 Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> Note the extra 's'.  We use "sse" and "sse2", but "ssse3".  I assume
> it's a typo.

Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.

It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4

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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-02 Thread Ismail Dönmez
On Thursday 03 May 2007 01:41:22 Ulrich Drepper wrote:
> Note the extra 's'.  We use "sse" and "sse2", but "ssse3".  I assume
> it's a typo.

This might not be a typo see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSSE3

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ismail


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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-02 Thread Ismail Dönmez
On Thursday 03 May 2007 01:41:22 Ulrich Drepper wrote:
 Note the extra 's'.  We use sse and sse2, but ssse3.  I assume
 it's a typo.

This might not be a typo see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SSSE3

Regards,
ismail


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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-02 Thread Andi Kleen
On Thursday 03 May 2007 00:41:22 Ulrich Drepper wrote:
 Note the extra 's'.  We use sse and sse2, but ssse3.  I assume
 it's a typo.

Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.

It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4

-Andi
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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-02 Thread Ulrich Drepper
Andi Kleen wrote:
 Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.
 
 It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4

OK, the problem is that the actual sse3 bit is misnamed.  According to
Intel's docs bit 0 of ECX is sse, the kernel uses pni.  Too bad.

-- 
➧ Ulrich Drepper ➧ Red Hat, Inc. ➧ 444 Castro St ➧ Mountain View, CA ❖



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Re: Why ssse3?

2007-05-02 Thread H. Peter Anvin
Ulrich Drepper wrote:
 Andi Kleen wrote:
 Nope. SSE3 != SSSE3. The additional S means Supplemential.

 It's probably because the few changes didn't justify a SSE4
 
 OK, the problem is that the actual sse3 bit is misnamed.  According to
 Intel's docs bit 0 of ECX is sse, the kernel uses pni.  Too bad.

Intel has a nasty habit of renaming things after they are already
deployed in Linux.

-hpa
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