Re: kernel debugger...
Rik van Riel wrote: > > > > NDS provides no value to Linux unless it's integrated into the > > OS, which will happen when MANOS goes out next year around > > March. NDS is more of a Microsoft play than a Linux play and > > Linux already has better internet directory technology than NDS > > -- NDS is better for managing LAN's. > > It should be interesting to see what happens here. First > SAMBA, then the Kerberos thing and now NDS ... looks like > we might be able to beat Microsoft on their home turf ;) Here's what they sent me day before yesterday, right before they had the lawyers come after us, and I dissolved our contracts. Draw your own conclusions: ...from Microsoft . ... Microsoft has not had time to drill into this but we do want to make sure that you are not in any way compromising any Microsoft Confidential Information in your actions or your communications. Some of your comments in various newsgroups in support of Linux and MANOS have been sent to me with concerns and we need to look more carefully and will respond to you directly, but I can say that at this time we do not see any business benefits to us to support a R/W NTFS on Linux as you have proposed and are concerned about support problems that some of your ideas are creating for us with your Linux projects. Truly, all your ideas need to be viewed by the industry as your own and we don't want to it to publically appear that we influence them or participate, if that is responsive to your question. :-) Jeff > > (yes, I know IRIX has the SAMBA performance record, but > still... ;)) > > regards, > > Rik > -- > "What you're running that piece of shit Gnome?!?!" >-- Miguel de Icaza, UKUUG 2000 > > http://www.conectiva.com/ http://www.surriel.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: kernel debugger...
On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Jeff V. Merkey wrote: > This thread is dead. I am porting the MANOS debugger to Linux, Ohhh cool. While I don't use debuggers myself, I know people who really like having a good debugger around and are more productive finding and fixing problems when they have one. A debugger is a good tool for some people and, IMHO, it would be good for those people to have the choice of applying your patch and fixing the problems in their style... [snip NTFS on Linux announcement ... cool] > NDS provides no value to Linux unless it's integrated into the > OS, which will happen when MANOS goes out next year around > March. NDS is more of a Microsoft play than a Linux play and > Linux already has better internet directory technology than NDS > -- NDS is better for managing LAN's. It should be interesting to see what happens here. First SAMBA, then the Kerberos thing and now NDS ... looks like we might be able to beat Microsoft on their home turf ;) (yes, I know IRIX has the SAMBA performance record, but still... ;)) regards, Rik -- "What you're running that piece of shit Gnome?!?!" -- Miguel de Icaza, UKUUG 2000 http://www.conectiva.com/ http://www.surriel.com/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: kernel debugger...
This thread is dead. I am porting the MANOS debugger to Linux, and I have dissolved TRG's incestuous relationship with Microsoft so we could integrate a full NTFS on Linux -- two issues down. NDS provides no value to Linux unless it's integrated into the OS, which will happen when MANOS goes out next year around March. NDS is more of a Microsoft play than a Linux play and Linux already has better internet directory technology than NDS -- NDS is better for managing LAN's. :-) Jeff Stephen Williams wrote: > > >From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Withdrawl of Open Source NDS Project/NTFS/M2FS for > Linux > > >"The lack of a Kernel Debugger and other basic kernel level facilities on > >Linux make TRG's job about 20 times harder on Linux and take almost 10 > >times as long as is possible on NT, NetWare, or MANOS to develop > >software asa result ofthis." > > I'm right now arguing with win2000 PnP insanity for my *PCI* device, and > I can say with some confidence that Linux driver development is so much > easier that it's not funny. > > The horror, the horror > -- > Steve Williams"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] But I have promises to keep, > [EMAIL PROTECTED]and lines to code before I sleep, > http://www.picturel.com And lines to code before I sleep." > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: kernel debugger...
>From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Withdrawl of Open Source NDS Project/NTFS/M2FS for Linux >"The lack of a Kernel Debugger and other basic kernel level facilities on >Linux make TRG's job about 20 times harder on Linux and take almost 10 >times as long as is possible on NT, NetWare, or MANOS to develop >software asa result ofthis." I'm right now arguing with win2000 PnP insanity for my *PCI* device, and I can say with some confidence that Linux driver development is so much easier that it's not funny. The horror, the horror -- Steve Williams"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. [EMAIL PROTECTED] But I have promises to keep, [EMAIL PROTECTED]and lines to code before I sleep, http://www.picturel.com And lines to code before I sleep." - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: kernel debugger...
This thread is dead. I am porting the MANOS debugger to Linux, and I have dissolved TRG's incestuous relationship with Microsoft so we could integrate a full NTFS on Linux -- two issues down. NDS provides no value to Linux unless it's integrated into the OS, which will happen when MANOS goes out next year around March. NDS is more of a Microsoft play than a Linux play and Linux already has better internet directory technology than NDS -- NDS is better for managing LAN's. :-) Jeff Stephen Williams wrote: From: "Jeff V. Merkey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Withdrawl of Open Source NDS Project/NTFS/M2FS for Linux "The lack of a Kernel Debugger and other basic kernel level facilities on Linux make TRG's job about 20 times harder on Linux and take almost 10 times as long as is possible on NT, NetWare, or MANOS to develop software asa result ofthis." I'm right now arguing with win2000 PnP insanity for my *PCI* device, and I can say with some confidence that Linux driver development is so much easier that it's not funny. The horror, the horror -- Steve Williams"The woods are lovely, dark and deep. [EMAIL PROTECTED] But I have promises to keep, [EMAIL PROTECTED]and lines to code before I sleep, http://www.picturel.com And lines to code before I sleep." - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
