Re: menuconfig snafu?
At 05:35 PM 03/28/2001, Steve VanDevender wrote: >Dennis writes: > > I KNOW this..my point is that menuconfig is not intuitive in providing > the > > choices. > >Linux kernel configuration isn't intuitive. menuconfig isn't there to >handhold newbies through the process. Arguing that something clearly wrong doesnt matter because is sucks in general is brilliant. Congrats. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
At 05:35 PM 03/28/2001, Steve VanDevender wrote: Dennis writes: I KNOW this..my point is that menuconfig is not intuitive in providing the choices. Linux kernel configuration isn't intuitive. menuconfig isn't there to handhold newbies through the process. Arguing that something clearly wrong doesnt matter because is sucks in general is brilliant. Congrats. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
Dennis writes: > I KNOW this..my point is that menuconfig is not intuitive in providing the > choices. Linux kernel configuration isn't intuitive. menuconfig isn't there to handhold newbies through the process. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
At 03:36 PM 03/28/2001, you wrote: >On Wednesday 28 March 2001 22:17, Dennis wrote: > > its seems that "make menuconfig" only allows you to select 1 processor > > type. it seems impossible that you cant build a generic kernel that > > supports different processors. Its this just a menuconfig bug? > > > > Dennis > >You pick the lowest common denominator. If you want a kernel that runs >everywhere (x86 arch), pick the plain old 386. > >Or, read the menuconfig help :-) > >CONFIG_M386: >This is the processor type of your CPU. This information is used for >optimizing purposes. In order to compile a kernel that can run on all x86 CPU >types (albeit not optimally fast), you can specify "386" here. > >The kernel will not necessarily run on earlier architectures than the one you >have chosen, e.g. a Pentium optimized kernel will run on a PPro, but not >necessarily on a i486. I KNOW this..my point is that menuconfig is not intuitive in providing the choices. DB >Regards, >also Dennis :-) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
note also smp is enabled by default... While that's won't break most boxes it will prevent some other things like apm from working... You sorta got to pick your battles... no default kernel config is gonna work for everyone. joelja On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Brad Johnson wrote: > On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:07:23PM -0500, Doug McNaught wrote: > > Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > I also find it interesting that the default at kernel.org wont boot on a > > > Pentium...generic should be the default. > > > > The default config is what boots on Linus' machine. Once you realise > > that your life get a lot easier. ;) > > Hmmm... wonder why that's not a Crusoe? ;-} > > -- -- Joel Jaeggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Academic User Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key Fingerprint: 1DE9 8FCA 51FB 4195 B42A 9C32 A30D 121E -- It is clear that the arm of criticism cannot replace the criticism of arms. Karl Marx -- Introduction to the critique of Hegel's Philosophy of the right, 1843. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
At 04:07 PM 03/28/2001, Doug McNaught wrote: >Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I also find it interesting that the default at kernel.org wont boot on a > > Pentium...generic should be the default. > >The default config is what boots on Linus' machine. Once you realise >that your life get a lot easier. ;) not THAT makes sense! - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:07:23PM -0500, Doug McNaught wrote: > Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I also find it interesting that the default at kernel.org wont boot on a > > Pentium...generic should be the default. > > The default config is what boots on Linus' machine. Once you realise > that your life get a lot easier. ;) Hmmm... wonder why that's not a Crusoe? ;-} -- Brad GPG Public Key available at http://mrpenguin.org/keys.php or from certserver.pgp.com PGP signature
Re: menuconfig snafu?
Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I also find it interesting that the default at kernel.org wont boot on a > Pentium...generic should be the default. The default config is what boots on Linus' machine. Once you realise that your life get a lot easier. ;) -Doug - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
On Wednesday 28 March 2001 22:17, Dennis wrote: > its seems that "make menuconfig" only allows you to select 1 processor > type. it seems impossible that you cant build a generic kernel that > supports different processors. Its this just a menuconfig bug? > > Dennis You pick the lowest common denominator. If you want a kernel that runs everywhere (x86 arch), pick the plain old 386. Or, read the menuconfig help :-) CONFIG_M386: This is the processor type of your CPU. This information is used for optimizing purposes. In order to compile a kernel that can run on all x86 CPU types (albeit not optimally fast), you can specify "386" here. The kernel will not necessarily run on earlier architectures than the one you have chosen, e.g. a Pentium optimized kernel will run on a PPro, but not necessarily on a i486. Regards, also Dennis :-) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
RE: menuconfig snafu?
At 02:30 PM 03/28/2001, Michel Wilson wrote: > > its seems that "make menuconfig" only allows you to select 1 processor > > type. it seems impossible that you cant build a generic kernel that > > supports different processors. Its this just a menuconfig bug? > > > > Dennis > >Use i386 to make a generic kernel, this option will make it work on all >Intel CPUs. As far as other architectures are concerned, i only know that on >Alpha, there is no such thing as a generic kernel. And supporting multiple >architectures in one kernel: thats completely impossible. I've figured that out, but menuconfig is ambiguous and it should be corrected. It implies that you need to select a single processor type (ie Pentium, PIII, etc) which is not correct. I also find it interesting that the default at kernel.org wont boot on a Pentium...generic should be the default. thanks. Dennis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
> its seems that "make menuconfig" only allows you to select 1 processor > type. it seems impossible that you cant build a generic kernel that > supports different processors. Its this just a menuconfig bug? The generic kernel type is '386'. We used to simply say each kernel runs on that cpu and higher, but with 2.4 its not so clear. Probably 'Generic' should be added to the text Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
RE: menuconfig snafu?
> its seems that "make menuconfig" only allows you to select 1 processor > type. it seems impossible that you cant build a generic kernel that > supports different processors. Its this just a menuconfig bug? > > Dennis Use i386 to make a generic kernel, this option will make it work on all Intel CPUs. As far as other architectures are concerned, i only know that on Alpha, there is no such thing as a generic kernel. And supporting multiple architectures in one kernel: thats completely impossible. Regards, Michel. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
its seems that "make menuconfig" only allows you to select 1 processor type. it seems impossible that you cant build a generic kernel that supports different processors. Its this just a menuconfig bug? The generic kernel type is '386'. We used to simply say each kernel runs on that cpu and higher, but with 2.4 its not so clear. Probably 'Generic' should be added to the text Alan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
RE: menuconfig snafu?
its seems that "make menuconfig" only allows you to select 1 processor type. it seems impossible that you cant build a generic kernel that supports different processors. Its this just a menuconfig bug? Dennis Use i386 to make a generic kernel, this option will make it work on all Intel CPUs. As far as other architectures are concerned, i only know that on Alpha, there is no such thing as a generic kernel. And supporting multiple architectures in one kernel: thats completely impossible. Regards, Michel. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
RE: menuconfig snafu?
At 02:30 PM 03/28/2001, Michel Wilson wrote: its seems that "make menuconfig" only allows you to select 1 processor type. it seems impossible that you cant build a generic kernel that supports different processors. Its this just a menuconfig bug? Dennis Use i386 to make a generic kernel, this option will make it work on all Intel CPUs. As far as other architectures are concerned, i only know that on Alpha, there is no such thing as a generic kernel. And supporting multiple architectures in one kernel: thats completely impossible. I've figured that out, but menuconfig is ambiguous and it should be corrected. It implies that you need to select a single processor type (ie Pentium, PIII, etc) which is not correct. I also find it interesting that the default at kernel.org wont boot on a Pentium...generic should be the default. thanks. Dennis - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
On Wednesday 28 March 2001 22:17, Dennis wrote: its seems that "make menuconfig" only allows you to select 1 processor type. it seems impossible that you cant build a generic kernel that supports different processors. Its this just a menuconfig bug? Dennis You pick the lowest common denominator. If you want a kernel that runs everywhere (x86 arch), pick the plain old 386. Or, read the menuconfig help :-) CONFIG_M386: This is the processor type of your CPU. This information is used for optimizing purposes. In order to compile a kernel that can run on all x86 CPU types (albeit not optimally fast), you can specify "386" here. The kernel will not necessarily run on earlier architectures than the one you have chosen, e.g. a Pentium optimized kernel will run on a PPro, but not necessarily on a i486. Regards, also Dennis :-) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also find it interesting that the default at kernel.org wont boot on a Pentium...generic should be the default. The default config is what boots on Linus' machine. Once you realise that your life get a lot easier. ;) -Doug - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:07:23PM -0500, Doug McNaught wrote: Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also find it interesting that the default at kernel.org wont boot on a Pentium...generic should be the default. The default config is what boots on Linus' machine. Once you realise that your life get a lot easier. ;) Hmmm... wonder why that's not a Crusoe? ;-} -- Brad GPG Public Key available at http://mrpenguin.org/keys.php or from certserver.pgp.com PGP signature
Re: menuconfig snafu?
At 04:07 PM 03/28/2001, Doug McNaught wrote: Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also find it interesting that the default at kernel.org wont boot on a Pentium...generic should be the default. The default config is what boots on Linus' machine. Once you realise that your life get a lot easier. ;) not THAT makes sense! - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
note also smp is enabled by default... While that's won't break most boxes it will prevent some other things like apm from working... You sorta got to pick your battles... no default kernel config is gonna work for everyone. joelja On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Brad Johnson wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 04:07:23PM -0500, Doug McNaught wrote: Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also find it interesting that the default at kernel.org wont boot on a Pentium...generic should be the default. The default config is what boots on Linus' machine. Once you realise that your life get a lot easier. ;) Hmmm... wonder why that's not a Crusoe? ;-} -- -- Joel Jaeggli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Academic User Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Key Fingerprint: 1DE9 8FCA 51FB 4195 B42A 9C32 A30D 121E -- It is clear that the arm of criticism cannot replace the criticism of arms. Karl Marx -- Introduction to the critique of Hegel's Philosophy of the right, 1843. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
At 03:36 PM 03/28/2001, you wrote: On Wednesday 28 March 2001 22:17, Dennis wrote: its seems that "make menuconfig" only allows you to select 1 processor type. it seems impossible that you cant build a generic kernel that supports different processors. Its this just a menuconfig bug? Dennis You pick the lowest common denominator. If you want a kernel that runs everywhere (x86 arch), pick the plain old 386. Or, read the menuconfig help :-) CONFIG_M386: This is the processor type of your CPU. This information is used for optimizing purposes. In order to compile a kernel that can run on all x86 CPU types (albeit not optimally fast), you can specify "386" here. The kernel will not necessarily run on earlier architectures than the one you have chosen, e.g. a Pentium optimized kernel will run on a PPro, but not necessarily on a i486. I KNOW this..my point is that menuconfig is not intuitive in providing the choices. DB Regards, also Dennis :-) - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: menuconfig snafu?
Dennis writes: I KNOW this..my point is that menuconfig is not intuitive in providing the choices. Linux kernel configuration isn't intuitive. menuconfig isn't there to handhold newbies through the process. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
