Re: ServerWorks docs?
Rico & Dan, Below is the Email that Jim Forster of Serverworks sent to me: "We want to enable the Linux community as quickly as possible; we agree with you that it makes business sense to do so. Given the fact that our IP is our sole product, we cannot release our technical documents to the world at large. We have been working to create an extract of our documents to enable the Linux community. As a small company experiencing tremendous growth, our support infrastructure must focus on our existing customers. At this time, I do not have an estimated release date for the technical extract. ... We are continuing our work to enable the Linux community. Can you think of any alternative methods to enable the Linux community without exposing ourselves? I'm certainly open to new ideas..." Jim responded to my Email regarding support for lm-sensor. Granted Serverworks has not released any information to the public. But they are planing to extract certain chipset information that might be helpful for you. They are also open to idea from the Linux community. After Jim replied, Phil Edelbock from lm-sensor group came up with a good idea. They decided to ask Jim for a specific set of information pertaining to the project. So rather goes for the whole documentation, they only asked for a small subset. The idea worked because Serverworks were able to supply the information quickly. This could be a good approach in getting information from Serverwork outside of NDA. Jeff ASL Inc. - Original Message - From: "Rico Tudor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jeff Nguyen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 3:14 AM Subject: Re: ServerWorks docs? > Thanks for the offer, but the basic problem remains: no docs. > As [EMAIL PROTECTED] noted, http://www.netroedge.com/~lm78/ shows some > cause for hope, but a medium-sized LART is still called for. > > My interest in ServerWorks documentation is two-fold: first, to > expand chipset support in my ECC utility and second, to better support > ServerWorks-based machines in my workplace. > > On behalf of the Linux community, I would sign NDA if it was civilized > and if my source remained, obviously, public-domain. I could visit > ServerWorks on my next foray to the Bay Area. > > More important to me is ready access to technical documentation to support > machines at work. I come from the era when PDP-11's were shipped with > schematics, the OS, and the source to the OS. Things have been going > downhill ever since. I'm not catching the next plane to the Bay Area > for "eyes only" examination of a document every time a problem arises. > In this regard, companies like IBM Storage and Intel win my kudos, > and my dollars. ServerWorks may get some of those dollars because they > have an affordable chipset that supports 4 GB, but that advantage can > change overnight. It's not like IP has a long half-life these days, > unless you can corner the pyramid-building business. > > These companies must evaluate their proprietary stance in relation to lost > sales, the more so as free source accelerates. ATI, Matrox, Adaptec: need > we say more? But then, I'm preaching to the choir. Perhaps ServerWorks > should look into their hearts, and decide what small part of their IP > has enormous, eternal value -- the kind that will have them rolling in > dough, just like Scrooge McDuck. The rest of the specification, like > the miserable ECC circuitry that's been done a million times before, > release it already! Their adoring Linux fans are waiting. > > P.S. I wonder if Via reads this list. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: ServerWorks docs?
Two points: > More important to me is ready access to technical documentation to support > machines at work. I come from the era when PDP-11's were shipped with > schematics, the OS, and the source to the OS. Things have been going The only source for the OS that came 'for free' that I can recall for the PDP-11 was RSX-11- but that was only the bare kernel. The filesystem and the utilities's source wwas not available. At that time, as you can probably well recall, the UNIX source licence from WECO was 40K$ for v7 at Sidereal. > downhill ever since. I'm not catching the next plane to the Bay Area > for "eyes only" examination of a document every time a problem arises. > In this regard, companies like IBM Storage and Intel win my kudos, Don't applaud either Intel or IBM too loudly. In particular, Intel. Just *try* and get documentation about their frickin' gigabit ethernet chip out of them. -matt - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: ServerWorks docs?
Thanks for the offer, but the basic problem remains: no docs. As [EMAIL PROTECTED] noted, http://www.netroedge.com/~lm78/ shows some cause for hope, but a medium-sized LART is still called for. My interest in ServerWorks documentation is two-fold: first, to expand chipset support in my ECC utility and second, to better support ServerWorks-based machines in my workplace. On behalf of the Linux community, I would sign NDA if it was civilized and if my source remained, obviously, public-domain. I could visit ServerWorks on my next foray to the Bay Area. More important to me is ready access to technical documentation to support machines at work. I come from the era when PDP-11's were shipped with schematics, the OS, and the source to the OS. Things have been going downhill ever since. I'm not catching the next plane to the Bay Area for "eyes only" examination of a document every time a problem arises. In this regard, companies like IBM Storage and Intel win my kudos, and my dollars. ServerWorks may get some of those dollars because they have an affordable chipset that supports 4 GB, but that advantage can change overnight. It's not like IP has a long half-life these days, unless you can corner the pyramid-building business. These companies must evaluate their proprietary stance in relation to lost sales, the more so as free source accelerates. ATI, Matrox, Adaptec: need we say more? But then, I'm preaching to the choir. Perhaps ServerWorks should look into their hearts, and decide what small part of their IP has enormous, eternal value -- the kind that will have them rolling in dough, just like Scrooge McDuck. The rest of the specification, like the miserable ECC circuitry that's been done a million times before, release it already! Their adoring Linux fans are waiting. P.S. I wonder if Via reads this list. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: ServerWorks docs?
On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 16 Dec 2000, Rico Tudor wrote: > > Does anyone have reference material for the ServerWorks northbridge? > > I want to add their chipsets to my ECC-monitoring utility, but their > > web site is little more than marketing drivel. Plus, they don't respond > > to e-mail. > I've tried on several occasions, but not got anywhere. > Judging by the comments on the lm-sensors homepage, chances of them > publically releasing register level info seems pretty slim. serverworks requires you not only to sign an NDA, but also do all development on-site at their santa clara HQ under their direct supervision. I think it's rather stupid to have to take several days off work to fly down to their HQ just for code that will take maybe 5 minutes to write. If someone in santa clara wants to do it, fine. -Dan - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: ServerWorks docs?
Serverworks wants to support the Linux community. Thus they are willing to share certain information to developers without risking the IP. Recently ASL has been working with Serverworks in supporting the lm-sensor project and other Linux software developer. Let me know if you need some help with the chipset information. Jeff ASL Inc. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Rico Tudor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 12:00 PM Subject: Re: ServerWorks docs? > On 16 Dec 2000, Rico Tudor wrote: > > > Does anyone have reference material for the ServerWorks northbridge? > > I want to add their chipsets to my ECC-monitoring utility, but their > > web site is little more than marketing drivel. Plus, they don't respond > > to e-mail. > > I've tried on several occasions, but not got anywhere. > Judging by the comments on the lm-sensors homepage, chances of them > publically releasing register level info seems pretty slim. > > regards, > > Davej. > > -- > | Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.suse.de/~davej > | SuSE Labs > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: ServerWorks docs?
On 2000/12/16 Rico Tudor wrote: > Does anyone have reference material for the ServerWorks northbridge? > I want to add their chipsets to my ECC-monitoring utility, but their > web site is little more than marketing drivel. Plus, they don't respond > to e-mail. I was about to tell you that you were in trouble, but there are news; look at http://www.netroedge.com/~lm78/ What I knew was November 30, but look at news from December. -- Juan Antonio Magallon Lacarta #> cd /pub mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] #> more beer Linux werewolf 2.2.19-pre1 #1 SMP Fri Dec 15 22:25:20 CET 2000 i686 - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: ServerWorks docs?
On 16 Dec 2000, Rico Tudor wrote: > Does anyone have reference material for the ServerWorks northbridge? > I want to add their chipsets to my ECC-monitoring utility, but their > web site is little more than marketing drivel. Plus, they don't respond > to e-mail. I've tried on several occasions, but not got anywhere. Judging by the comments on the lm-sensors homepage, chances of them publically releasing register level info seems pretty slim. regards, Davej. -- | Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.suse.de/~davej | SuSE Labs - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
ServerWorks docs?
Does anyone have reference material for the ServerWorks northbridge? I want to add their chipsets to my ECC-monitoring utility, but their web site is little more than marketing drivel. Plus, they don't respond to e-mail. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
