Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 10:22:17AM -0400, Alexander Viro wrote: > If you want root-proof analog of chroot - fine, but that will require > at least taking away the ability to mount/umount anything. How does FreeBSD implement this with jails? Don't jailed people get dummy /dev access that is more or less crippled? I wonder if all this effort is really worth it though, it seems like lots of 'fixes' to avoid the all-powerful root, so perhaps the fix lies elsewhere? --cw - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
Chris Wedgwood wrote: >On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:20:16AM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: > >>Feature. It actually makes it quite nice when you want to allow >>chrooted user(s) access to a common directory, you just mount a >>partition in all the users home dirs. >> > >For security, this can be a bad idea. > 'tis very true. I have been using this for FTP users, such as allowing a common /mp3 download directory relative to each users jail. That is what I was referring to, should have been more specific. -b -- :__o : -\<, : 0/ 0 --- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:20:16AM -0700, Ben Ford wrote:
>
> > Feature. It actually makes it quite nice when you want to allow
> > chrooted user(s) access to a common directory, you just mount a
> > partition in all the users home dirs.
>
> For security, this can be a bad idea.
>
> Potentially, chrooted user can mess with another, by messing with
> libraries and such like. In most cases not terribly easy, but in some
> cases possible.
If chrooted user had gained root - he can do much more damage than that.
If your libraries are world-writable - you had asked for that, hadn't
you?
> No, if the fs was mounted RO, then I assume you would have less to
> worry about. Its a pity the VFS code doesn't allow you to fix RO & RW
> of the same fs.
2.5 stuff. Requires extra argument on getattr/setattr/permission -
prototype change on 3 methods for something that is a feature and not a
fix for any specific bug...
If you want root-proof analog of chroot - fine, but that will require
at least taking away the ability to mount/umount anything. Otherwise
attacker will simply be able to remount everything he want r/w once he
had gained root. That can be done (e.g. by adding "can modify" flag
to namespace and doing something along the lines
pid = clone(CLONE_NAMESPACE, NULL);
if (!pid) {
/* do all needed mount/umount work */
pid = clone(CLONE_FREEZE_NAMESPACE, NULL);
if (!pid) {
/* we are set */
}
exit(0);
}
which would give grandchild a namespace we want it to see and prohibit
any changes in said namespace, root or not)
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Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:20:16AM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: > Feature. It actually makes it quite nice when you want to allow > chrooted user(s) access to a common directory, you just mount a > partition in all the users home dirs. For security, this can be a bad idea. Potentially, chrooted user can mess with another, by messing with libraries and such like. In most cases not terribly easy, but in some cases possible. No, if the fs was mounted RO, then I assume you would have less to worry about. Its a pity the VFS code doesn't allow you to fix RO & RW of the same fs. --cw - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:20:16AM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: Feature. It actually makes it quite nice when you want to allow chrooted user(s) access to a common directory, you just mount a partition in all the users home dirs. For security, this can be a bad idea. Potentially, chrooted user can mess with another, by messing with libraries and such like. In most cases not terribly easy, but in some cases possible. No, if the fs was mounted RO, then I assume you would have less to worry about. Its a pity the VFS code doesn't allow you to fix RO RW of the same fs. --cw - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
Chris Wedgwood wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2001 at 02:20:16AM -0700, Ben Ford wrote: Feature. It actually makes it quite nice when you want to allow chrooted user(s) access to a common directory, you just mount a partition in all the users home dirs. For security, this can be a bad idea. 'tis very true. I have been using this for FTP users, such as allowing a common /mp3 download directory relative to each users jail. That is what I was referring to, should have been more specific. -b -- :__o : -\, : 0/ 0 --- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
On Wed, Jun 27, 2001 at 10:22:17AM -0400, Alexander Viro wrote: If you want root-proof analog of chroot - fine, but that will require at least taking away the ability to mount/umount anything. How does FreeBSD implement this with jails? Don't jailed people get dummy /dev access that is more or less crippled? I wonder if all this effort is really worth it though, it seems like lots of 'fixes' to avoid the all-powerful root, so perhaps the fix lies elsewhere? --cw - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
Marty Leisner wrote: > >/dev/hda10 on /mnt type ext2 (rw) >/dev/hda10 on /home type ext2 (rw) > > >Is this a feature or a bug? > Feature. It actually makes it quite nice when you want to allow chrooted user(s) access to a common directory, you just mount a partition in all the users home dirs. -b -- :__o : -\<, : 0/ 0 --- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
Marty Leisner wrote: /dev/hda10 on /mnt type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda10 on /home type ext2 (rw) Is this a feature or a bug? Feature. It actually makes it quite nice when you want to allow chrooted user(s) access to a common directory, you just mount a partition in all the users home dirs. -b -- :__o : -\, : 0/ 0 --- - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
Alexander Viro writes: > > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Marty Leisner wrote: > > > I just installed redhat 7.1 on a system. > > > > Cleaning up, a made a fs for home...(mounted on /mnt > > to write the stuff to it) > > > > Then I accidently mounted it on /home. > > > > So it was mounted on /home and /mnt at the same time. > > (I didn't bother going in to see what was there). > > Same tree, obviously. > > > Shouldn't this NOT happen? > > Sigh... Guys, who maintains l-k FAQ? You mean the LK mailing list FAQ? That would be me. > Q: I've mounted filesystem in two different places and it worked. Why? > A: Because you've asked to do that. Yes, it works. No, it's not a bug. > > Q: what should I do to unmount it? > A: umount > > Q: but that took care only of one of them. How can I deal with another? > A: umount Patches to the LKML FAQ accepted :-) Regards, Richard Permanent: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Marty Leisner wrote: > Is this a feature or a bug? > > This is with 2.4.2... > feature. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Marty Leisner wrote: > I just installed redhat 7.1 on a system. > > Cleaning up, a made a fs for home...(mounted on /mnt > to write the stuff to it) > > Then I accidently mounted it on /home. > > So it was mounted on /home and /mnt at the same time. > (I didn't bother going in to see what was there). Same tree, obviously. > Shouldn't this NOT happen? Sigh... Guys, who maintains l-k FAQ? Q: I've mounted filesystem in two different places and it worked. Why? A: Because you've asked to do that. Yes, it works. No, it's not a bug. Q: what should I do to unmount it? A: umount Q: but that took care only of one of them. How can I deal with another? A: umount - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
mounting a fs in two places at once?
I just installed redhat 7.1 on a system. Cleaning up, a made a fs for home...(mounted on /mnt to write the stuff to it) Then I accidently mounted it on /home. So it was mounted on /home and /mnt at the same time. (I didn't bother going in to see what was there). Shouldn't this NOT happen? [root@pb /]# mount /dev/hda9 on / type ext2 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) /dev/hda5 on /boot type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda7 on /usr type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda6 on /var type ext2 (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) automount(pid603) on /misc type autofs (rw,fd=5,pgrp=603,minproto=2,maxproto=3) pb:(pid704) on /net type nfs (intr,rw,port=1023,timeo=8,retrans=110,indirect,ma p=/etc/amd.net,dev=0007) /dev/hda10 on /mnt type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda10 on /home type ext2 (rw) Is this a feature or a bug? This is with 2.4.2... Marty Leisner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
mounting a fs in two places at once?
I just installed redhat 7.1 on a system. Cleaning up, a made a fs for home...(mounted on /mnt to write the stuff to it) Then I accidently mounted it on /home. So it was mounted on /home and /mnt at the same time. (I didn't bother going in to see what was there). Shouldn't this NOT happen? [root@pb /]# mount /dev/hda9 on / type ext2 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) /dev/hda5 on /boot type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda7 on /usr type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda6 on /var type ext2 (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) automount(pid603) on /misc type autofs (rw,fd=5,pgrp=603,minproto=2,maxproto=3) pb:(pid704) on /net type nfs (intr,rw,port=1023,timeo=8,retrans=110,indirect,ma p=/etc/amd.net,dev=0007) /dev/hda10 on /mnt type ext2 (rw) /dev/hda10 on /home type ext2 (rw) Is this a feature or a bug? This is with 2.4.2... Marty Leisner [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Marty Leisner wrote: I just installed redhat 7.1 on a system. Cleaning up, a made a fs for home...(mounted on /mnt to write the stuff to it) Then I accidently mounted it on /home. So it was mounted on /home and /mnt at the same time. (I didn't bother going in to see what was there). Same tree, obviously. Shouldn't this NOT happen? Sigh... Guys, who maintains l-k FAQ? Q: I've mounted filesystem in two different places and it worked. Why? A: Because you've asked to do that. Yes, it works. No, it's not a bug. Q: what should I do to unmount it? A: umount mountpoint Q: but that took care only of one of them. How can I deal with another? A: umount another_mountpoint - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Marty Leisner wrote: Is this a feature or a bug? This is with 2.4.2... feature. Jeff - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
Re: mounting a fs in two places at once?
Alexander Viro writes: On Sun, 24 Jun 2001, Marty Leisner wrote: I just installed redhat 7.1 on a system. Cleaning up, a made a fs for home...(mounted on /mnt to write the stuff to it) Then I accidently mounted it on /home. So it was mounted on /home and /mnt at the same time. (I didn't bother going in to see what was there). Same tree, obviously. Shouldn't this NOT happen? Sigh... Guys, who maintains l-k FAQ? You mean the LK mailing list FAQ? That would be me. Q: I've mounted filesystem in two different places and it worked. Why? A: Because you've asked to do that. Yes, it works. No, it's not a bug. Q: what should I do to unmount it? A: umount mountpoint Q: but that took care only of one of them. How can I deal with another? A: umount another_mountpoint Patches to the LKML FAQ accepted :-) Regards, Richard Permanent: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-kernel in the body of a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
