Re: Advice on DVB-S/S2 card and CAM support
On 08/28/2014 04:47 AM, P. van Gaans wrote: On 07/28/2014 01:44 AM, Kaya Saman wrote: Hi, I'm wondering what the best solution for getting satellite working on Linux is? Currently I have a satellite box with CAM module branded by the Satellite TV provider we are with. As I am now migrating everything including TV through my HTPC environment I would also like to link the satellite box up to the HTPC too to take advantage of the PVR and streaming capabilities. I run XBMC as my frontend so I was looking into TV Headend to take care of PVR side of things. My greatest issue though is what is the best solution for getting the satellite system into the HTPC? After some research my first idea was to use a satellite tuner card; models are available for Hauppauge and other vendors so really it was about which was going to offer best compatibility with Linux? (distro is Arch Linux with 3.15 kernel) The model of card I was looking was from DVB-Sky: http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_S950C.html something like that, which has CAM module slot and is DVB-S/S2 compatible and claims to have drivers supported by the Linuxtv project. Or alternately going for something like this: http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_T9580.html as it has a combined DVB-T tuner, then using a USB card reader for the CAM smart card. Has anyone used the cards above, what are the opinions relating to them? Also would they work with motorized dishes? Since I'm not sure if all CAM's are supported as apparently our satellite tv provider wanted to lock out other receivers so they force people to use their own product; my second idea was to perhaps use a capture card with RCA inputs. Something like this: http://www.c21video.com/viewcast/osprey-210.html perhaps or a Hauppauge HD-PVR mk I edition: which according to the wiki is supported. Looking forward to hearing advice. Thanks. Kaya -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Hi Kaya, Hi, many thanks for the response! RCA inputs is probably the last thing you want. Less quality, more of a pain to set up. Unfortunately I need the composite inputs due to a set-top box which is used to watch (non-English) sports with; and they are paid channels. The box is non-HD so only RCA (Phono) or SCART output. You may or may not be able to use that CAM - but even if it's supported, a CAM has downsides. It generally only supports one channel at a time - and surely not multiple channels from different frequencies (if you have more tuners). And it's more expensive, both the tuner (that needs a CI slot) and the CAM you need. Also, I'm not sure if tvheadend nowadays supports a CAM - it used not to, but support may have been added. The main downside of a phoenix-mode cardreader is that it's harder to set up, but if you can find a guide for your provider it's generally doable. It's cheaper, more flexible and allows for faster channel switching. I doubt the provider will have a guide as they claim to want to lock everybody into their own set-top box - the non-HD one described above. As for a tuner, I personally suggest going for a USB-tuner. You never know if you want to connect you tuner to a notebook or NAS or anything in the future, with USB you're more flexible. If you do go for PCI-e, Tevii appears to have some supported products that are also available. If you go for USB, support is somewhat problematic (problematic because many supported tuners are no longer available in stores), you'll have to see what's locally available. (perhaps also check second-hand) Be careful, some devices have various revisions. Always check http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information I did go this route eventually (since writing my initial post) :-) currently - though this was supposed to be my last resort route. I grabbed a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-1900 EU version. According to these guides: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pvrusb2 http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1950 http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1900 It is supported. I will need to write a separate posting for it though as I'm a little stuck with it. The BER is quite high and also I can't switch to the 'composite' input most of the time though on rare occasion it does work? The PCI/ or PCI-E card is still an option for me as it will go into a rather large HTPC case which I can also use as a server for distributed TV around the network. Very recently, Antti reviewed a patch from nibble.max to support the DVBsky S960. (and presumably it's direct clones from Mystique) This is a pretty cheap tuner that can still be found in shops. It would appear that as soon as this patch gets merged, this device will be supported if you compile v4l-dvb yourself, and in time support will make it
Re: Advice on DVB-S/S2 card and CAM support
On 08/28/2014 04:44 PM, Kaya Saman wrote: On 08/28/2014 04:47 AM, P. van Gaans wrote: On 07/28/2014 01:44 AM, Kaya Saman wrote: Hi, I'm wondering what the best solution for getting satellite working on Linux is? Currently I have a satellite box with CAM module branded by the Satellite TV provider we are with. As I am now migrating everything including TV through my HTPC environment I would also like to link the satellite box up to the HTPC too to take advantage of the PVR and streaming capabilities. I run XBMC as my frontend so I was looking into TV Headend to take care of PVR side of things. My greatest issue though is what is the best solution for getting the satellite system into the HTPC? After some research my first idea was to use a satellite tuner card; models are available for Hauppauge and other vendors so really it was about which was going to offer best compatibility with Linux? (distro is Arch Linux with 3.15 kernel) The model of card I was looking was from DVB-Sky: http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_S950C.html something like that, which has CAM module slot and is DVB-S/S2 compatible and claims to have drivers supported by the Linuxtv project. Or alternately going for something like this: http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_T9580.html as it has a combined DVB-T tuner, then using a USB card reader for the CAM smart card. Has anyone used the cards above, what are the opinions relating to them? Also would they work with motorized dishes? Since I'm not sure if all CAM's are supported as apparently our satellite tv provider wanted to lock out other receivers so they force people to use their own product; my second idea was to perhaps use a capture card with RCA inputs. Something like this: http://www.c21video.com/viewcast/osprey-210.html perhaps or a Hauppauge HD-PVR mk I edition: which according to the wiki is supported. Looking forward to hearing advice. Thanks. Kaya -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Hi Kaya, Hi, many thanks for the response! RCA inputs is probably the last thing you want. Less quality, more of a pain to set up. Unfortunately I need the composite inputs due to a set-top box which is used to watch (non-English) sports with; and they are paid channels. The box is non-HD so only RCA (Phono) or SCART output. You may or may not be able to use that CAM - but even if it's supported, a CAM has downsides. It generally only supports one channel at a time - and surely not multiple channels from different frequencies (if you have more tuners). And it's more expensive, both the tuner (that needs a CI slot) and the CAM you need. Also, I'm not sure if tvheadend nowadays supports a CAM - it used not to, but support may have been added. The main downside of a phoenix-mode cardreader is that it's harder to set up, but if you can find a guide for your provider it's generally doable. It's cheaper, more flexible and allows for faster channel switching. I doubt the provider will have a guide as they claim to want to lock everybody into their own set-top box - the non-HD one described above. As for a tuner, I personally suggest going for a USB-tuner. You never know if you want to connect you tuner to a notebook or NAS or anything in the future, with USB you're more flexible. If you do go for PCI-e, Tevii appears to have some supported products that are also available. If you go for USB, support is somewhat problematic (problematic because many supported tuners are no longer available in stores), you'll have to see what's locally available. (perhaps also check second-hand) Be careful, some devices have various revisions. Always check http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information I did go this route eventually (since writing my initial post) :-) currently - though this was supposed to be my last resort route. I grabbed a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-1900 EU version. According to these guides: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pvrusb2 http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1950 http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1900 It is supported. I will need to write a separate posting for it though as I'm a little stuck with it. The BER is quite high and also I can't switch to the 'composite' input most of the time though on rare occasion it does work? The PCI/ or PCI-E card is still an option for me as it will go into a rather large HTPC case which I can also use as a server for distributed TV around the network. Very recently, Antti reviewed a patch from nibble.max to support the DVBsky S960. (and presumably it's direct clones from Mystique) This is a pretty cheap tuner that can still be found in shops. It would appear that as soon as this patch gets merged, this device will be supported if you compile v4l-dvb yourself, and in time support will make
Re: Advice on DVB-S/S2 card and CAM support
On 08/28/2014 05:26 PM, P. van Gaans wrote: On 08/28/2014 04:44 PM, Kaya Saman wrote: On 08/28/2014 04:47 AM, P. van Gaans wrote: On 07/28/2014 01:44 AM, Kaya Saman wrote: Hi, I'm wondering what the best solution for getting satellite working on Linux is? Currently I have a satellite box with CAM module branded by the Satellite TV provider we are with. As I am now migrating everything including TV through my HTPC environment I would also like to link the satellite box up to the HTPC too to take advantage of the PVR and streaming capabilities. I run XBMC as my frontend so I was looking into TV Headend to take care of PVR side of things. My greatest issue though is what is the best solution for getting the satellite system into the HTPC? After some research my first idea was to use a satellite tuner card; models are available for Hauppauge and other vendors so really it was about which was going to offer best compatibility with Linux? (distro is Arch Linux with 3.15 kernel) The model of card I was looking was from DVB-Sky: http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_S950C.html something like that, which has CAM module slot and is DVB-S/S2 compatible and claims to have drivers supported by the Linuxtv project. Or alternately going for something like this: http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_T9580.html as it has a combined DVB-T tuner, then using a USB card reader for the CAM smart card. Has anyone used the cards above, what are the opinions relating to them? Also would they work with motorized dishes? Since I'm not sure if all CAM's are supported as apparently our satellite tv provider wanted to lock out other receivers so they force people to use their own product; my second idea was to perhaps use a capture card with RCA inputs. Something like this: http://www.c21video.com/viewcast/osprey-210.html perhaps or a Hauppauge HD-PVR mk I edition: which according to the wiki is supported. Looking forward to hearing advice. Thanks. Kaya -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Hi Kaya, Hi, many thanks for the response! RCA inputs is probably the last thing you want. Less quality, more of a pain to set up. Unfortunately I need the composite inputs due to a set-top box which is used to watch (non-English) sports with; and they are paid channels. The box is non-HD so only RCA (Phono) or SCART output. You may or may not be able to use that CAM - but even if it's supported, a CAM has downsides. It generally only supports one channel at a time - and surely not multiple channels from different frequencies (if you have more tuners). And it's more expensive, both the tuner (that needs a CI slot) and the CAM you need. Also, I'm not sure if tvheadend nowadays supports a CAM - it used not to, but support may have been added. The main downside of a phoenix-mode cardreader is that it's harder to set up, but if you can find a guide for your provider it's generally doable. It's cheaper, more flexible and allows for faster channel switching. I doubt the provider will have a guide as they claim to want to lock everybody into their own set-top box - the non-HD one described above. As for a tuner, I personally suggest going for a USB-tuner. You never know if you want to connect you tuner to a notebook or NAS or anything in the future, with USB you're more flexible. If you do go for PCI-e, Tevii appears to have some supported products that are also available. If you go for USB, support is somewhat problematic (problematic because many supported tuners are no longer available in stores), you'll have to see what's locally available. (perhaps also check second-hand) Be careful, some devices have various revisions. Always check http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information I did go this route eventually (since writing my initial post) :-) currently - though this was supposed to be my last resort route. I grabbed a Hauppauge WinTV PVR-1900 EU version. According to these guides: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Pvrusb2 http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1950 http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-1900 It is supported. I will need to write a separate posting for it though as I'm a little stuck with it. The BER is quite high and also I can't switch to the 'composite' input most of the time though on rare occasion it does work? The PCI/ or PCI-E card is still an option for me as it will go into a rather large HTPC case which I can also use as a server for distributed TV around the network. Very recently, Antti reviewed a patch from nibble.max to support the DVBsky S960. (and presumably it's direct clones from Mystique) This is a pretty cheap tuner that can still be found in shops. It would appear that as soon as this patch gets merged, this device will be supported if you
Re: Advice on DVB-S/S2 card and CAM support
On 08/28/2014 05:44 PM, Kaya Saman wrote: In my research I got suggested the Digital Devices line of products: http://www.digitaldevices.de/ They are German so hopefully the quality will be extremely good and they all seem natively supported. Not natively supported. In my understanding ddbridge DVB-S/S2 is supported, but CAM/CI has some problems as it is implemented differently than kernel. regards Antti -- http://palosaari.fi/ -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Re: Advice on DVB-S/S2 card and CAM support
On 07/28/2014 01:44 AM, Kaya Saman wrote: Hi, I'm wondering what the best solution for getting satellite working on Linux is? Currently I have a satellite box with CAM module branded by the Satellite TV provider we are with. As I am now migrating everything including TV through my HTPC environment I would also like to link the satellite box up to the HTPC too to take advantage of the PVR and streaming capabilities. I run XBMC as my frontend so I was looking into TV Headend to take care of PVR side of things. My greatest issue though is what is the best solution for getting the satellite system into the HTPC? After some research my first idea was to use a satellite tuner card; models are available for Hauppauge and other vendors so really it was about which was going to offer best compatibility with Linux? (distro is Arch Linux with 3.15 kernel) The model of card I was looking was from DVB-Sky: http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_S950C.html something like that, which has CAM module slot and is DVB-S/S2 compatible and claims to have drivers supported by the Linuxtv project. Or alternately going for something like this: http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_T9580.html as it has a combined DVB-T tuner, then using a USB card reader for the CAM smart card. Has anyone used the cards above, what are the opinions relating to them? Also would they work with motorized dishes? Since I'm not sure if all CAM's are supported as apparently our satellite tv provider wanted to lock out other receivers so they force people to use their own product; my second idea was to perhaps use a capture card with RCA inputs. Something like this: http://www.c21video.com/viewcast/osprey-210.html perhaps or a Hauppauge HD-PVR mk I edition: which according to the wiki is supported. Looking forward to hearing advice. Thanks. Kaya -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Hi Kaya, RCA inputs is probably the last thing you want. Less quality, more of a pain to set up. You may or may not be able to use that CAM - but even if it's supported, a CAM has downsides. It generally only supports one channel at a time - and surely not multiple channels from different frequencies (if you have more tuners). And it's more expensive, both the tuner (that needs a CI slot) and the CAM you need. Also, I'm not sure if tvheadend nowadays supports a CAM - it used not to, but support may have been added. The main downside of a phoenix-mode cardreader is that it's harder to set up, but if you can find a guide for your provider it's generally doable. It's cheaper, more flexible and allows for faster channel switching. As for a tuner, I personally suggest going for a USB-tuner. You never know if you want to connect you tuner to a notebook or NAS or anything in the future, with USB you're more flexible. If you do go for PCI-e, Tevii appears to have some supported products that are also available. If you go for USB, support is somewhat problematic (problematic because many supported tuners are no longer available in stores), you'll have to see what's locally available. (perhaps also check second-hand) Be careful, some devices have various revisions. Always check http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hardware_Device_Information Very recently, Antti reviewed a patch from nibble.max to support the DVBsky S960. (and presumably it's direct clones from Mystique) This is a pretty cheap tuner that can still be found in shops. It would appear that as soon as this patch gets merged, this device will be supported if you compile v4l-dvb yourself, and in time support will make it into the kernel. In any case, you want something with in-kernel support - something that's only supported by s2-liplianin or vendor drivers (like many dvbsky and TBS products) will only break in the long term. Only exception to this is Sundtek, but I personally have mixed feelings about closed source userspace drivers. I wouldn't recommend them personally. Good luck, P. van Gaans -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Advice on DVB-S/S2 card and CAM support
Hi, I'm wondering what the best solution for getting satellite working on Linux is? Currently I have a satellite box with CAM module branded by the Satellite TV provider we are with. As I am now migrating everything including TV through my HTPC environment I would also like to link the satellite box up to the HTPC too to take advantage of the PVR and streaming capabilities. I run XBMC as my frontend so I was looking into TV Headend to take care of PVR side of things. My greatest issue though is what is the best solution for getting the satellite system into the HTPC? After some research my first idea was to use a satellite tuner card; models are available for Hauppauge and other vendors so really it was about which was going to offer best compatibility with Linux? (distro is Arch Linux with 3.15 kernel) The model of card I was looking was from DVB-Sky: http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_S950C.html something like that, which has CAM module slot and is DVB-S/S2 compatible and claims to have drivers supported by the Linuxtv project. Or alternately going for something like this: http://www.dvbsky.net/Products_T9580.html as it has a combined DVB-T tuner, then using a USB card reader for the CAM smart card. Has anyone used the cards above, what are the opinions relating to them? Also would they work with motorized dishes? Since I'm not sure if all CAM's are supported as apparently our satellite tv provider wanted to lock out other receivers so they force people to use their own product; my second idea was to perhaps use a capture card with RCA inputs. Something like this: http://www.c21video.com/viewcast/osprey-210.html perhaps or a Hauppauge HD-PVR mk I edition: which according to the wiki is supported. Looking forward to hearing advice. Thanks. Kaya -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line unsubscribe linux-media in the body of a message to majord...@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
