Linux-Misc Digest #330
Linux-Misc Digest #330, Volume #27 Sun, 11 Mar 01 01:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE! (Jean-David Beyer)
Re: What format is this file and how I decode it? (Dances With Crows)
Re: video editing (Dances With Crows)
Re: How To CDRW ? Not CDR, but CDRW,... (E J)
Re: help: LILO through a Serial Terminal problems (John in SD)
Re: LILO through a Serial Terminal problems (John in SD)
Re: Hard Drive ("muzh")
using an ATAPI tape drive with Linux 2.2.17 kernel ("Shane")
.profile file in Mandrake? (John Scudder)
Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE! (Jim Gorman)
Re: .profile file in Mandrake? (Andreas Schweitzer)
IP Address Change ("O'Banion")
IP Address Change ("O'Banion")
Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE! (Jim Gorman)
Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE! ("Robert L. Cochran Jr.")
Re: .profile file in Mandrake? (Dowe Keller)
From: Jean-David Beyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE!
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:46:27 -0500
Steve Withers wrote (in part):
If anything is going to drive me back to Windowss it is *%^$ Netscape.
I have both V6.0 and v4.75 installed on my RH Linux 7.0 system (kernel
2.4.1) and they are bothin a word...SHIT.
I have "kill-9" permanently in my command line buffer.Netscape craps
out usually within 10-15 minutes of active use. What happens MOST often
with Netscape 6.0 is that links cease to be active. Nothing reacts to a
mouse click. It may aswell have crashedand when I do a PS-A...I see
about 20 Java VMs all stacked up. Eh?
I wonder why some users have so much trouble with Netscape and others,
relatively little. I run Netscape 4.76 these days, but the earlier
ones, too, back to about 4.0.6 or something. They do crash a lot, a
couple of times a day, usually., but I would estimate the MTBF at
about 4 hours or so, not 10 to 15 minutes. Furthermore, I have not had
problems of runaway memory consumption reported by many. I run with
all of Java except Java Plugin enabled, though I do not suppose I get
a lot of it from the sites I visit.
I tried Netscape 6.0 for about a half hour, and its interface reminded
me too much of AOL on a friend's Windows 98 box and I could not stand
it. I could not figure out how to activate a bunch of features and I
gave it up and deleted it. So I do not know if links went dead or not.
I wonder why some people have so much trouble with Netscape, and
others get relatively few problems with it.
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.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey http://counter.li.org
^^-^^ 8:35pm up 8 days, 3:40, 3 users, load average: 3.86, 3.77, 3.69
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: What format is this file and how I decode it?
Date: 11 Mar 2001 01:42:45 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 21:39:25 +0100, The Spook staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] skrev i meddelelsen ...
-- Cut --
HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 01:11:34 GMT
Server: Apache/1.2.4
Connection: close
Content-Type: audio/basic
.snd^@^@^@^X^@^@J|^@^@^@^A^@^@^_@^@^@^@^A
ÿþþ
ÿÿ^?ÿþþ
ÿþþþ
The problem is how to get the sound file from it - it's not
for uudecode, file does not recognize it, so how do I use it?
thanks, George.
This is probably a file in the Sun soundformat -- I know very little about
Linux and sound, so I cannot help with the secodn part of your question,
alas.
See if you can get sox to recognize it. After you trim the stuff from
HTTP/1.1 to Content-Type from the file, if you can do a "cat file
/dev/audio" and hear something rational, it's in Sun .au format. sox
can convert Sun audio into just about any sound format you desire.
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Matt G|There is no Darkness in Eternity/But only Light too dim for us to see
Brainbench MVP for Linux Admin / Workin' in a code mine, hittin' Ctrl-Alt
http://www.brainbench.com / Workin' in a code mine, whoops!
=/I hit a seg fault
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: video editing
Date: 11 Mar 2001 01:42:46 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 10 Mar 2001 11:54:18 -0500, steve staggered into the Black Sun
and said:
OnWed, 07 Mar 2001 16:10:11 -0500, "cedric" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Are there any video editing programs for Linux? If so, where can they
be found at? What about 'avi to mpeg' converters?
Not for linux per se, but when Apple releases it's long awaited next OS
based on BSD there will be some very good video apps available,
probabl
Linux-Misc Digest #330
Linux-Misc Digest #330, Volume #26 Fri, 17 Nov 00 13:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Is this hard drive dead? (Frank Miles)
Re: Linux freezes totally (Claus Atzenbeck)
The case of the fizzling fonts (Cindy Huyser)
Re: The case of the fizzling fonts (Bob Tennent)
Re: The case of the fizzling fonts ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How migrating Win-Favorites to Netscape-Bookmarks? (Radu Serban)
Re: Linux freezes totally (Claus Atzenbeck)
allow,deny permissions and apache (Evelio =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?=)
Problems with Linux DHCP-Server (Peter Buzanits)
Re: Configuring printer from text UI - RH6.1 ("Sylvain Drapeau")
Re: The case of the fizzling fonts (Cindy Huyser)
Lilo Li... problem. (Thaddeus L Olczyk)
Re: Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI Model CT4810? (fred smith)
Re: ?start and stop logrotate (-ljl-)
Re: Need some suggestions... (Robert Clayton)
Re: Weird problem. (Gero Marten)
Re: xmms playing CDs? (Gero Marten)
errors in /var/log/messages (Claus Atzenbeck)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank Miles)
Subject: Re: Is this hard drive dead?
Date: 17 Nov 2000 15:41:46 GMT
In article 8v1in7$7ji$[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 16 Nov 2000 13:25:49 GMT, LuisMiguel
Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have an old 486 I use for my play
computer. Tonight when I went to boot it
up, it claims there's no hard drive
installed. (there is)
Go to the BIOS and make an autodetection.
Thanks for the idea --
I went in to the BIOS and set it to use the
autoconfiguration with power-on defaults;
later set it to use the autoconfiguration
with bios defaults;
both resulted in the same DRIVE NOT READY
ERROR (it asks for the floppy again).
then having little to lose I entered the
BIOS hard disk utility and had it do a
media analysis and later a hard drive format
(there was no data on there except a little
bit of DOS). During the format, it ran
through all the cylinder numbers pretending
to format something, but there were no
sounds from the hard drive. I can only
conclude it's not communicating with the
hard drive at all, but how the hd managed to
fail without any warning (it worked fine
before, no weird behavior) I don't understand.
I also tried entering the hd parameters
into the BIOS manually, but that doesn't
change anything.
thanks for the suggestion, anybody else is
welcome to put in their two cents as well.
Go to the manufacturer's website. They almost certainly
have a diagnostic routine that you can run, once you
boot DOS from a floppy. If it's still under warrantee
(probably not if it was original with the 486) they
might even give you a new drive if it fails their
diagnostics.
Good luck!
-frank
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From: Claus Atzenbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux freezes totally
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:10:43 +0100
Sandy Drobic wrote on 17 Nov 2000 13:26:00 +0100:
I had a similar problem with a Realtek 8029 netboard. Sometimes the
computer just froze completely, not only under Linux, but also under
Novell and Windows.
The solution was to put the Realtek in another PCI slot, so it got
another IRQ. You can also check, if your Bios can assign IRQs to your
PCI slots and set the correct IRQ.
I have a Realtek RTL-8139 which I use for eth0.
It is strange that I have an entry in /etc/module.conf saying:
alias eth0 8139too
alias eth1 rtl8139
But I don't use eth1 at all. This is what Mandrake was configurating. Could
this be the problem?
Do I just need to delete the eth1 entry and set eth0 to rtl8139?
Thanks for your opinion!
Claus.
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From: Cindy Huyser [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The case of the fizzling fonts
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:13:39 -0600
I suspect I'm having a memory problem with one of the machines here. I'm
running RedHat 6.2 on an older 166 MHz MMX machine with 128 MB RAM, and
my terminal fonts (not running X) are deteriorating.
Here's the story: on reboot, all characters check OK. 1 minute after
reboot, a few characters show signs of deterioration -- an extra pixel
in the character space, or one missing. After several minutes, I logged
28 characters that have either been reduced to 1 to 4 pixels, or that
have become almost entirely filled character blocks. The deterioration
appears to happen to contiguous characters, yes, in blocks that are
multiples of four, and appears to have stabilized within the first 10
minutes after reboot.
Has anyone out there seen this kind of thing before? Can someone lend
some insight on font cacheing? As I said, this machine's an older one
and has some other hardware problems (floppy disk controller on
motherboard is bad), so I don't have great expectations for it. But
before I think of ordering replacement memory, if someone knows of
another possible cause for this problem I'd appreciate hearing about it.
Thanks in advance,
Ci
Linux-Misc Digest #330
Linux-Misc Digest #330, Volume #25Thu, 3 Aug 00 15:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Johan Kullstam)
Motorola PowerStack with SCSI, Booting problem (Sohail Rana)
Re: rsh and password ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Upgrade to Mandrake7.1 smoothly? (Andrew Purugganan)
chinese pinyin no-tone entry method in linux? ("Dan Jacobson")
help on RAID (Andrew Bacchi)
correction (Andrew Bacchi)
Re: rsh and password (brian moore)
Real Audio on Linux (Pjtg0707)
FTP Install fails due to ramdisk error, help... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (John Hasler)
XVidTune. (N/A)
gzip / zip / compress : 2 gig limit? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
DMA buffers (JCA)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (Phillip Lord)
Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship. (John Hasler)
Why do I have to put "./" in front of "apachectl"? ("Chris Schachte")
Re: Inicio de Linux (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Luis Domingo =?iso-8859-1?Q?L=F3pez?=)
Re: MP3's skip : How I solved it (moonie;))
From: Johan Kullstam [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: FWD: Red Hat's CFO abandoning ship.
Date: 03 Aug 2000 13:06:54 -0400
Bernd Paysan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
We are now in a society that allows proprietary software.
i would not use the word "allow". the united states (and other)
government *actively* *enforces* copyrights. it's not a question of
letting, say, microsoft keep its software to itself. this is police
breaking down your door and rummaging through your stuff and
potentially depriving you of your freedom in case they find you in
violation of copyright.
copyright and patents are examples of mercantilism -- trade through
government sanctioned *and enforced* monopoly.
where government use or threat of force in maintaining this monopoly
is removed (e.g., middle and far east), copying is wide-spread.
For our all
freedom, this is no good. The FSF wants to get to a more free society,
where there is no proprietary software anymore. They do so by using
copyright to protect their software from being "enslaved" again. Some of
the BSD whiners tell us that making derivatives proprietary isn't
"enslaving" the original software, which is still free. This is like
saying (in the south states, 150 years ago): "If you give your niggers
(TIC!) freedom, ok, but if they can't sell their childs as slaves, they
aren't really free".
nice analogy. thanks.
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J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
sysengr
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From: Sohail Rana [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Motorola PowerStack with SCSI, Booting problem
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 18:30:06 +0100
Hi
I have a Motorola PowerStackII and wanted to install Linux.
Tried to install suse 6.4, but their boot image does not recognize my
scsi drive. So I have used LinuxPPC boot loader. After that I have
manage to install suse6.4
But now the same problem with booting. Suse boot loader does not work
and LinuxPPC boot loader works but has a different version number so it
does not load the modules. Hence the ethernet card does not work.
I have tried to recompile suse but with no luck. Also tried yellowdog
distribution. Any one has any idea? Please let me know.
Regards
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: rsh and password
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 17:32:53 GMT
On Thu, 3 Aug 2000 12:00:43 -0500, "Andrew N. McGuire "
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3 Aug 2000, brian moore quoth:
$$ On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 16:01:23 GMT,
$$ Peter Nobels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
$$ Hi,
$$
$$ does rsh send a password over the network?
$$
$$ In the clear?
$$
$$ Run tcpdump or some other sniffer and watch. (Alas, I can't, since it
$$ seems rsh exploded or something here, leaving just a pile of 1's and 0's
$$ behind... hint: don't use rsh.)
To expound on that, use ssh, preferably, openssh. The syntax is the
same as it is for rsh, but everything is encrypted. That last statement
is probably over-simplified, but it should suffice. :-)
I tried that but are having difficulties with ssh -l root ... The
goal is to sync passwd and shadow files of two ftp-servers ...
If i open up pts0 for root-access, also telnet can have root-access...
anm
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Linux-Misc Digest #330
Linux-Misc Digest #330, Volume #24Mon, 1 May 00 01:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux Journal Python supplement (John Scudder)
ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared ... (Hal Burgiss)
Re: true type fonts in linux (Alastair Neil)
Idiot desktop question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Running SCO version of Progress DB under linux (Dennis Marti)
question about linux distributions (Michel Arcenault)
Re: linux installation problem (Leonard Evens)
Re: Difference between Mandrake 7.0 and RedHat 6.2 ("Richard M. Sugg")
Has anyone gotten support from Corel?? (Frank Pittel)
Re: Corel Linux "make install"??? (Christopher Browne)
Re: database ("Spartacus")
Re: Can't get 8.1.5 to install on Linux (Dowe Keller)
Re: Corel Linux "make install"??? (Dowe Keller)
Re: Idiot desktop question (Dances With Crows)
Re: true type fonts in linux ("Lam Dang")
Re: true type fonts in linux ("JDeg")
Re: crontab hates me (Dowe Keller)
Numlock ("Andrew J. Hesford")
Re: Numlock (Hal Burgiss)
Re: es1371? (Janet)
From: John Scudder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Journal Python supplement
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 21:47:05 -0500
Allen Ashley wrote:
John Scudder [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Yes, I thought that was a little unusual for Linux Journal...
In keeping with the general Monty Python theme..the cover is from the 70's TV
series opening where a similarly attired Michael Palin said " It's" and
then the Monty Python theme started.
My recollection is the piano player was Terry Jones.
You're correct...the segment I was thinking of was a bearded, smoldering Palin
saying "It's..." right after being blown up.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared ...
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 02:11:39 GMT
Anybody have a clue what this is and what to do about it?
Apr 30 04:24:43 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs warning (device ide0(3,4)):
ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 191778
Apr 30 04:24:43 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs warning (device ide0(3,4)):
ext2_free_blocks: bit already cleared for block 811296
Apr 30 04:24:43 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs warning (device ide0(3,4)):
ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 191782
Apr 30 04:24:43 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs warning (device ide0(3,4)):
ext2_free_blocks: bit already cleared for block 811291
Apr 30 04:24:43 localhost kernel: EXT2-fs warning (device ide0(3,4)):
ext2_free_inode: bit already cleared for inode 191777
I have a weekly cron job that copies my root partition to a backup
partition (both on IDE0/hda). I get these with each run. I ran e2fsck last
week, which found and fixed some errors. But evidently not permaneantly.
I aslo I am having trouble umounting my root partion for maintenance.
Usually:
#init 1
#umount -a
#mount -n -o remount,ro /
works, but today all I get is 'mount: / device busy'. Tried it a zillion
times. I occasionally get this for various partitions on shutdown too.
Seems to come and go, but now I'd like it to just go. This is updated RH6.2
with 2.2.15pre9 kernel.
TIA
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Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Alastair Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: true type fonts in linux
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 02:18:32 GMT
Gary wrote:
Anyone who can help will be a saviour i have redhat linux version 6.2 and
need to use true type fonts is this possible and if so how
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Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
There is a true-type X font server called xfstt you should be able
find on freshmeat. Also RH 6.2 comes with freetype "a free and
portable TrueType font rendering engine".
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Those who are mentally and emotionally healthy are those who have
learned
when to say yes, when to say no and when to say whoopee. -- W.S. Krabill
Alastair Neil
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Idiot desktop question
Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 02:18:31 GMT
I played with Linux Suse KDE for the first time yesterday. Within
minutes, in my own imbecilic way, I had activated a command that sent
cockroaches crawling all over the screen. Now I can't find the menu
that turned them on -- or how to turn them off!
Help?
Please?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Dennis Marti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Running SCO version of Progress DB under linux
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:39:47 -0400
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I have a licensed version of Progress for the SCO Open Desktop platform
that is sitting on a shelf collecting dust and am interested in
installing and running it under one of the Linux dist's. I have access
to most of the Linux dist's all i
Linux-Misc Digest #330
Linux-Misc Digest #330, Volume #21Sun, 8 Aug 99 12:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: C structure size inconsitency (Floyd Davidson)
Re: PATH is going wild (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Extract the first n characters from a stream? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
lilo parameters problem ("Elya Guyer")
Re: How to install CLE 8.0 in SuSE 6.1 (Hz back!)
Re: Ghostly modules still cry for life (too dramatic?) (Jon Bloom)
startx -- -bpp 16.too long to type (Nevyn)
Re: C structure size inconsitency (Floyd Davidson)
Re: nfs problems under RH6 (Wolfgang Denk)
Re: DDS-3 SCSI Tape Drive + Red Hat 6.0 (Wolfgang Denk)
wheelmouse with knews ? (Christophe Zwecker)
Re: Installing uncompress (Gary Momarison)
Re: sndconfig, cron problems (Robert McGwier)
Re: Linux Games ("akm76")
Re: CDROM driver not supported in RH 6 install ("Bowyer")
Need help on installing patches.. (Warren)
Re: startx -- -bpp 16.too long to type (Mark Slagell)
Re: mkbootdisk on different machine (Leonard Evens)
Re: CDROM driver not supported in RH 6 install ("Walt and Denise Fles")
Re: C structure size inconsitency (Frank Sweetser)
Re: help recovering disk space (Leonard Evens)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: C structure size inconsitency
Date: 8 Aug 1999 11:49:37 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Andreas Hinz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Compiling the following:
#include time.h
#include stdio.h
struct Test0 {
char X0[4];
char X1[100];
char X2;
char X3[100];
char X4[2];
char X5;
char X6;
} T0;
struct Test1 {
time_t X0;
char X1[100];
char X2;
char X3[100];
char X4[2];
char X5;
char X6;
} T1;
struct Test2 {
time_t X0;
char X1;
char X2;
char X3;
char X4;
char X5;
char X6;
} T2;
void main(void)
The ISO/ANSI C standard requires that main() return type int.
Defining main() to return void invokes undefined behavior unless
it is documented by the compiler (and with gcc it is not).
{
fprintf(stderr,"%i, %i, %i, %i \n",sizeof(time_t), sizeof(T0), sizeof(T1),
sizeof(T2));
}
-
Running the compiled result, 'x', gives the following results:
4, 209, 212, 12
I don't get it. It should have been
4, 209, 209, 10
Can anyone explain this to me, please?
I first thougt it was some byte alignment, but that does not make sense
since the structs T0 and T1 should be exact the same size.
Indeed it is byte alignment! At the end of the structure,
allowing the next object to begin on a appropriately aligned
address.
Here is a replacement main() function which you can use to
demonstrate where the padding is inserted.
#include stddef.h
int
main(void)
{
fprintf(stderr,"%u, %u, %u, %u \n",
sizeof(time_t),
sizeof(T0),
sizeof(T1),
sizeof(T2));
fprintf(stderr, "%u %u %u %u %u %u %u\n",
offsetof(struct Test2, X0),
offsetof(struct Test2, X1),
offsetof(struct Test2, X2),
offsetof(struct Test2, X3),
offsetof(struct Test2, X4),
offsetof(struct Test2, X5),
offsetof(struct Test2, X6));
return 0;
}
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: PATH is going wild
Date: 8 Aug 1999 12:09:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
scable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I log on, my system (RH 6.0) goes hog wild and gives me a PATH that
is five screen lines long. Most of it is the same path elements
repeated over and over again. I have tried to find whether I have some
sort of loop, for example, between local and global bashrc files, but I
can't find anything of the sort. Anybody have an idea what else could
give rise to this curious behavior?
Thanks.
If you make additions to the PATH variable with a statement like,
PATH=~/bin:/usr/local/bin:$PATH
in the wrong place it will indeed become a loop. Files
/etc/profile and the first of ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login or
~/.profile that is found will be sourced by the login shell, and
using a recursive assignment will be fine in one, and only one,
of those files.
But if that is in ~/.bashrc or the file specified by ENV it will
be added again each time a subshell is spawned.
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Extract the first n characters from a stream?
Date: 8 Aug 1999 12:50:49 GMT
Kenny Zhu Qili [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jon Skeet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Um, I expect head will do what you want it to.
But the SUN version of head can't specify number of characters or bytes.
Any other ideas?
dd bs=nnn count=1
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Amos Shapir
Paper:
Linux-Misc Digest #330
Linux-Misc Digest #330, Volume #19Sat, 6 Mar 99 08:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: best offline newsreader? ("Richard Latimer")
Re: [Printer] HP697C and Ghostscript--Wet printing ("Michael Lee Yohe")
Re: Simple text processor ("Joe (theWordy) Philbrook")
Re: special characters in UNIX how? ("Joe (theWordy) Philbrook")
Re: Caldera RPMs in RH? (Micha³ Kuratczyk)
UNIX/Linux book request for SysAdms ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Installing software with rpm (Howard Mann)
Re: undefined symbol: __register_frame_info (dream)
Labels crashing WP8 for Linux (Rod Smith)
compiling karpski (ethernet protocol analyzer) (Andreas Petralia)
Re: Linux VERY slow to boot (Steffen Kluge)
Burning SUSE CD in Win95 (David Heath)
Re: More bad news for NT ("jeremy.jancsary")
Purp compile error (Len Cuff)
Re: Public license question (NF Stevens)
Re: Public license question (NF Stevens)
Re: Module configuration (NF Stevens)
Re: Newsreaders and Star Office (John Thompson)
Re: Public license question (Barry Margolin)
Re: How to change date for Unix/Linux? (root)
From: "Richard Latimer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: best offline newsreader?
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 1999 03:26:21 -0800
Richard Steiner wrote in message ...
Most of the Windows users I know who use Usenet's technical
newsgroups tend to use text when posting. Is that not the same
for you?
When I was reading messages in a Microsoft newsgroup about
Office 2000 beta, about 1/4 to 1/3 of the messages were html
with stationary and pics in the signatures.
One day I was moving thru a thread about broken sound support
in MS Outlook when a voice came out of my computer, "What's
the problem!" I like it.
Users may be doing more than reading technical newsgroups.
They may be downloading and listening to their friend's new
piece of music, or they may be telecommuting and working on
a corporate compound document in Outlook. You can manage
all of these feats inside Outlook or with Outlook Express.
There are several ways to cause people to upgrade. One is to
stop supporting something, say take support for a.out binaries
out of the kernel. Another way is to use features that would re-
quire users to upgrade or be left out, such as html in messages.
Computing gets gooey-er everyday and there isn't much anyone
can do to stop it. It's too much fun.
(Or do you mean that I posted html here?)
I believe that it's better to use inexpensive, stable, flexible, and
OPEN technology on my desktop than to use expensive,
nondeterministic, inflexible fluff like Microsoft markets to the
public.
The two systems are complementary headaches.
Windows is easy to install and configure. It supports virtually all
PC hardware you can buy. It has a fabulous, rich array of desktop
application software available.
It is also anal in that you must do everything MS's way. It crashes
during normal use. You have very little control over the configuration
of "help" features and the excess baggage that is loaded on a
stock PC is nearly impossible to discard.
Linux does not crash. It is inexpensive as you say. It is apparently
great server software. And that's it.
The desktop application software is very sad. Configuration is a
nightmare. Most packages supporting the kernel look as if they
began as homebrew projects that stopped when they became
stable. They provide a good deal of flexibility if you are maintain-
ing a network, but for a stand alone desktop they are Byzantine.
On my little laptop I have programs that use scripts that use scripts
that are really links, which use more links, etc., until they get to
a file that says "exec gnome-session". Most of this is unnecessary
and too confusing. It requires too much time and effort to figure out.
Linux has done well in the server niche. Whether it moves on to
become a presence on the desktop depends on two things. One
is the problem of setup and configuration. The other is application
software.
Solving these problems depends on the Linux community. If they
continue to do things as unix has done for twenty years, then Linux
will fail on the desktop. It isn't practical to expect newbies to solve
these problems themselves. They require make easier installation
and capable gooey gooey gooey software.
You can choose differently if you wish. That's fine. But coming in
here and wasting our time by tossing out insults isn't all that cool,
and certainly isn't going to win you much support. Please go
away.
It should be the other way around, shouldn't it? If you don't like my
posts, don't read them. My diction is sharp, but not nearly as
insulting as things I commonly see posted to newbies asking for
help. If I don't raise a ruckus, who will? Most of the newbies are
too intimidated to sqeak.
Newbies need help and a much better experience with Linux. If
