Re: Woosh PCMCIA Modem... (Belkin Complete :)

[Jason Greenwood]

Yup, we use this at our offices on our Linux network and it works a treat...

Nick Rout wrote:

On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 20:47:36 +1300
Don Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Hi All,

I got the Belkin wifi card working - thanks to Nick for finding that
link :)

Last week I got a Woosh connection to use at work.  They don't have
drivers for the PCMCIA card.  Has anyone heard of any one that's working
on this?



No, you need the other modem, the one about the size of a cigarette
packet. You then plug into the ethernet port and do pppoe to get a
connection.

Take it back and see if they will swap it.





Cheers Don
--
Don Gould

Re: NBR article about Linux in govt.

[Jason Greenwood]

The article is pure FUD, simple as that.

Hugo Vincent wrote:
http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp? 
id=13257&cid=3&cname=Technology


Someone should really help the author get his facts straight. He cites  
the Microsoft "Get the facts" page regarding Linux vs Windows cost of  
ownership..


Hugo

Re: Looking for recommendations for a good value laser printer

[Jason Greenwood]

We use a Brother HL5040 at our office - it's been a GREAT workhorse. I 
refill the toner myself and haven't replaced a drum yet (supposed to 
have about 5000 copies ago =) Works well via USB under Linux yada yada.


Hope this helps...

Cheers

Jason

Craig FALCONER wrote:

Its Brother - avoid like the plague it is.

I see that NZ CS is selling ex-lease laserjet 4000N 4050N and 4100N lasers
for 


4000N with 2nd Tray $350+GST
4050N with 2nd Tray $400+GST
4100N with 2nd Tray $450+GST
All printers have JetDirect installed 


Let me know if you're interested.  I will be getting some for work.

-Original Message-
From: Ken.McAllister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, 23 August 2005 1:43 p.m.

To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Re: Looking for recommendations for a good value laser printer


On Sun, 2005-08-21 at 15:46 +1200, Jamie Dobbs wrote:


The old Laserjet 4P in my 'office' at home is on its last legs and I'm
looking for advice on a good value replacement that will work under both 
Linux and Windows.
I've fairly much decided to stick with a laser as the cost per page is 
substantially less than that of an inkjet so if anyone can recommend a 
good value laser for light duty use I'd appreciate it.



Brother HL2040 from Bond & Bond, Riccarton Mall recently. 600 dpi,
claimed 20 ppm, toner and drum replaced separately ($70 for 2500 copies
and $200 for 12 000 copies). Parallel and USB.I couldn't see any
specified differences between it and the next model at $450.  


The staff are completely ignorant but well-meaning and willing.  They
pushed things off a desk in the cluttered office so I could google for
reassurance, and they gave me a week to return it if it didn't work
under Linux.

Price  $250 less 10% for cash.

OT - Old Power Supply Sources?

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi All,

I am making a 12v Power Supply to drive my RC Battery charger.

I'm making one like the ones detailed here:
http://www.marcee.org/Articles/PCPowerSupply.htm
http://web2.murraystate.edu/andy.batts/ps/powersupply.htm

but I need an old PC Power supply to make it. Anyone have an old, cheap 
one I can buy or know where I could source a used one? Free would be 
ideal, of course. =)


Cheers

Jason Greenwood

Re: debugging USB device problems

[Jason Greenwood]

So we need to just trust that the kernel boys will deal with this in 
time? This is clearly a USB/Kernel issue...


Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
I'm just wondering where in the logs I should be looking to try and 
troubleshoot this...when the system hangs, does the logging stop, I'd 
assume so.



There's nothing logged (no error condition is detected), and the system
keeps on running, just the USB-related things are hanging, creating more
and more stuck processes. Of course this does mean the whole thing is on
a slippery downhill...

The syslog would be the relevant log, but it would need cranking up to
info or debug to show anything useful. I should try that too, but don't
expect it to result in more useful information.

Volker

Re: debugging USB device problems

[Jason Greenwood]

I'm just wondering where in the logs I should be looking to try and 
troubleshoot this...when the system hangs, does the logging stop, I'd 
assume so.


Steve Holdoway wrote:

Jason Greenwood wrote:

I get the same thing regularly with an external USB Hard drive in an 
enclosure and it is REALLY bugging me. =) Suse 9.2 here...


A full system hang has always been rare for me under Linux but I can 
reproduce this one reliably.


Cheers

Jason

Volker Kuhlmann wrote:


I have problems on some old hardware with attaching USB devices
reliably. Symptoms are that the kernel somehow hangs, because running
lsusb or reading /proc/scsi/scsi creates processes which can't be kill
-9'ed. This happens with SuSE 9.2 and FC3, however it doesn't happen
with SuSE 8.2 and probably FC1. Clearly this isn't a hardware problem or
a problem of Linux-incompatible hardware, but one of "fixed" kernel USB
handling. It also looks distro-nonspecific.

Any ideas how I would go about making this work again?

Thanks,

Volker

... I crashed FC4 removing my usb pen drive from a shuttle a couple of 
days ago.


Steve

Re: debugging USB device problems

[Jason Greenwood]

I get the same thing regularly with an external USB Hard drive in an 
enclosure and it is REALLY bugging me. =) Suse 9.2 here...


A full system hang has always been rare for me under Linux but I can 
reproduce this one reliably.


Cheers

Jason

Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

I have problems on some old hardware with attaching USB devices
reliably. Symptoms are that the kernel somehow hangs, because running
lsusb or reading /proc/scsi/scsi creates processes which can't be kill
-9'ed. This happens with SuSE 9.2 and FC3, however it doesn't happen
with SuSE 8.2 and probably FC1. Clearly this isn't a hardware problem or
a problem of Linux-incompatible hardware, but one of "fixed" kernel USB
handling. It also looks distro-nonspecific.

Any ideas how I would go about making this work again?

Thanks,

Volker

Re: Bugger - the MS Money Mill Rolls On.... =(

[Jason Greenwood]

Round 2:

Microsoft reports higher 4th qtr profit, sales
22 July 2005

SEATTLE: Microsoft Corp's fourth-quarter profit rose on strong demand 
for laptops, personal computers and servers, the world's largest 
software maker said.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3354052a28,00.html

Re: OT with apologies

[Jason Greenwood]

I strongly suggest you find a recent Knoppix disk and live boot that to 
a graphical desktop and then cruise around your Windwoes filesystem to 
see what's there. You'll soon see if the Windows is just screwing up the 
representation of that data, which is possible. If the data is there, 
simply copy it to your Linux Parition and go from there...


Cheers

Jason

stringer wrote:
Since the upgrade recently from W95 to W98 I've lost grub. Was going to 
fix that. But used a Sun disk I had which is bootable and based in Suse, 
but that didn't seem to help. su'd to root, created a mount point and 
mounted the partition as shown in the partition table, but it complained 
at me.


I also used an old W95 boot floppy I had handy and tried chkdsk and 
scandisk. Showed one big file, and scandisk appeared to lockup (perhaps 
I didn't give it long enough? But after several minutes of nothing 
beyond the blue screen with "scandisk" at the top and a horizontal rule, 
I figured I was on a hiding to nowhere).


I recall that when I tried to copy the file off the floppy, using 
windows exporer, the prog crashed without warning or error messages - 
just shut itself down. But it restarted on request and allowed me to 
copy the file without problem.


I have a copy of knoppix somewhere but guess that won't do me any better 
unless someone can point me to a disk utility that might help.


Will put up a separate post about recovering grub.

At 09:49 20/07/05 +1200, you wrote:

Can the Linux side 'see' the data on the Win side? If so, copy it over 
to a Linux partition and and then re-install Win98 and copy the data 
back. Done. Or use Knoppix as a rescue disk but if RH doesn't see the 
data, Knoppix won't either I'd guess.


Cheers

Jason

stringer wrote:

But it is a dual boot machine - W98/RedHat (would like to replace 
that sometime)



Rest snipped.

Re: OT with apologies

[Jason Greenwood]

Can the Linux side 'see' the data on the Win side? If so, copy it over 
to a Linux partition and and then re-install Win98 and copy the data 
back. Done. Or use Knoppix as a rescue disk but if RH doesn't see the 
data, Knoppix won't either I'd guess.


Cheers

Jason

stringer wrote:
But it is a dual boot machine - W98/RedHat (would like to replace that 
sometime)


Doing work at home Sunday night. Visited site www.funkyjunk.com (yes it 
WAS work-related) and then went to copy a file off the old W95 machine 
by floppy (sneakernet). Otherwise only checked for emails - mostly 
linuxusers - and used word processor.


Last night I went to boot into W98 to do some accounting (W only 
programme - grrr) and it wouldn't boot. fdisk and cfdisk both show there 
is a partition table, but the Windows partition shows garbage for a 
label and it looks like one big file of about 3 gig instead of 3 gig 
worth of lots of files. Partition has an id of 0c if I remember.


Any ideas what might have caused this or how to fix? Or who to go to who 
might be able to at least recover dome of my data. Sorry, didn't take a 
copy of the partition table, but may be able to organise that tonight.


I suggest replies off-list as not specifically linux related unless it 
might be of use generally regarding partitioning and partition tables 
which affects everyone.



STRINGER & SON
per:
David J H Stringer

STRINGER & SON, - For all your legal work;

P O Box 1386
CHRISTCHURCH
NEW ZEALAND

Phone 64 - 3 - 366 1152
FAX   64 - 3 - 366 1151

OT: R/C Helicopters

[Jason Greenwood]

Anyone on the list fly R/C Helicopters? I am just getting into them and 
am keen to know anyone else who's into them. I figured some here may be 
because they are pretty technical and so is lINUX. =)


Cheers

Jason

Re: Root file management in Konqueror from users desktop (was saving a file)

[Jason Greenwood]

The standard user KDE Menu already has a link to Super User Konqueror on 
most distros. Then it is simply a matter of linking to this menu entry 
from the desktop or panel.

Cheers
Jason
Ross Drummond wrote:
My method of file wrangling as root is to use Konqueror from a link on my kde 
desktop.


Log on as root and start the kde desktop.
Open Konqueror in file management mode. There is usually a link for this 
already on the desktop.

Set up Konqueror the way you like it. My  personal preferences are ;
1. View --> View Mode --> Icon View
2. View  --> Show Hidden Files (Checked)
3. Window  --> Show Navigation Panel (checked)
Once you are satisfied with the settings you have chosen, click on; Settings  
---> Save View Profile "filemanagement"

Close Konqueror & KDE  and logout of root
Log in as "user" and right click on the KDE desktop. From the menu choose; 
Create New ---> File ---> Link To Application.

In the properties dialog choose the Application tab and in the the 'Command' 
text box place the following text;

/usr/bin/kdesu -c 'konqueror --profile filemanagement'
Adjust the link name and icon to taste.
Double click on the link. You will be prompted for the root password and then 
Konqueror will start up as root.

Right clicking on a file will bring up a menu. Usefull options such as, delete 
rename cut copy and open with, are then availiable


Footnote: Opening Konqueror as root in kfmclient mode from kdesu seems to 
cause permissions weirdness where plain Konqueror does not.

Cheers Ross Drummond

Re: thanks

[Jason Greenwood]

You are very welcome, remember, we've ALL been where you are at, at some 
point. It DOES get easier - I promise. =)

It's just that everything Linux is totally alien if you are coming from 
a Windows background, which most are.

Cheers
Jason
motivated wrote:
Thanks Robert, Christopher, Andrew, Steve, Jason, Roger, Vic and anyone I
may have missed. I appreciate you all jumping in and helping out.
Regards Kelvyn

Re: Saving a file

[Jason Greenwood]

Of course, Google is the new Linux users best friend.
http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/index.html.gz
An answer for almost anything can be found in Google I've found - once 
you learn good Googling techniques. I had to get a Winmodem going under 
Linux and though it took me half the night and many 'Googles' I got 
there in the end, feeling very satisfied with myself. There is more 
'gratification' with running Linux as it takes more work and skill to 
run it properly vs. Windows.

Phill Coxon wrote:
On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 20:23 +1200, Jason Greenwood wrote:
If you find this that frustrating, your Linux experience will be a 
difficult one - and you may be better of sticking with doze. Remember, 
Linux is NOT Windows and that is a good thing. Linux would not be as 
secure as it is without these 'annoyances'.

Linux just takes some patience to learn at first. It's worth the
effort. 

Has anyone got a link for the Rute manual - that would be a big help to
Kelvyn right now. 

And any other getting started manuals? 

Re: Saving a file

[Jason Greenwood]

If you find this that frustrating, your Linux experience will be a 
difficult one - and you may be better of sticking with doze. Remember, 
Linux is NOT Windows and that is a good thing. Linux would not be as 
secure as it is without these 'annoyances'.

Cheers
Jason
motivated wrote:
man chmod, man passwd, man group
Just like reading the apache docs
Grrr !
Why is it that all these things are written for those that already know the
answer. I need to do a degree in computer engineering just to read the
instructions.
I'm logged in as "root", I guess thats something.
I'm reading up on "man chmod"
All this just to get a php file into a folder.

Re: Saving a file

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi Kelvyn,
There are several ways actually, to start a SU (super user/root/ 
administrator) Konqueror session.

If you in KDE, just open up a terminal window and type su, then put in 
your root password. At this point you are 'root' for whatever you do in 
this terminal. Then type konqueror and hit enter. Since you started 
konqueror as root, you will be root for that session. There should also 
be a KDE menmu entry for 'File Manager - Super User Mode'. Be careful 
not to change any other permissions but that one, as otherwise you'll be 
creating security holes.

I am giving you GIU based permission instructions because I think it is 
easier for newbies to see something graphically. The other advice you 
have been given is how to change permissions from the command line - 
also a useful skill to have.

Hope this helps.
Cheers
Jason
motivated wrote:
The best thing to do is to start Konqueror as root and then right click on
the directory and look at its permissions.
"Konqueror as root" . I do believe I'm logged in as Kelvyn, so I'm currently
in home/kelvyn.
How do I start Konqueror as root "please"
Yes "I'm a newbie"
Regards Kelvyn

Re: Saving a file

[Jason Greenwood]

It will be a permissions issue. The best thing to do is to start 
Konqueror as root and then right click on the directory and look at its 
permissions. You need to make sure that user, group and others can write 
to that directory. Go to advanced permissions and you can tick the boxes 
to change the permissions. Also tick the box to change those permissions 
recursively down through that directory.

Linux may be frustrating but there is a reason for evrything in Linux - 
permissions are very important so the OS does does not end up being the 
viral cesspool that Windows is.

Hope this helps.
Cheers
Jason
motivated wrote:
I'm lost on learning this linux !!
 
I'm trying to save a file (info.php) in :
/var/www/html
 
Each time I try to save it I get a pop-up saying that the file could not 
be saved, make sure I have write access and/or theres enough disk space.
 
I have "NO" idea if I have write access although I cant see why not, all 
I can say is that I can save it to the desk top, and this linux is real 
frustrating.
 
When I first installed mandrake 10.1 I set it up to automatically log me 
in, is there any way I can set this thing up so that I have access to 
everything ?
 
Even logged in as "su" I cant do anything, I only want to see if 
php/apache is working
 
Regards Kelvyn

Re: Bugger - the MS Money Mill Rolls On.... =(

[Jason Greenwood]

Man if this were the case, MS would be Shi**ing themselves. The ONE 
thing they do NOT want us to have is a choice.

Maybe one day
Nick Rout wrote:
On Sun, 2005-05-01 at 10:41 +1200, Robert Himmelmann wrote:
Nick Rout wrote:

Wherever they come from, the point is its an OS-less laptop :-)
It shows our situation that we should be happy about a latop that does
no come with Windows instead of being unhappy that it does not come
with
GNU/Linux. We have a long way before us. . .

No I believe a level playing field and choice is the answer. People
should have the choice. As in:
"Here this laptop is $1500.00 - now you can have Windows XP Home for
$300.00 or SuSE Linux 9.3 in a box for $180.00. Alternatively you can
have these dvd/cd's of it we legally copied but you don't get the book
or any support. We will install either and all the updates for $50.00.
Also you can see your local LUG and get SuSE or any other version of
linux for the cost of the blank DVD/CD's, or you can download for
nothing on your existing computer. If you are adventurous you can try
one of the BSD's"

Re: Bugger - the MS Money Mill Rolls On.... =(

[Jason Greenwood]

I know austin, the owner well. I should ask him maybe =)
Craig FALCONER wrote:
How the hell does a boxmover like global PC "make their own laptops" ?
Do you mean that they rebrand compucon laptops or something?
-Original Message-
From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, 1 May 2005 8:27 a.m.
To: CLUG
Subject: Re: Bugger - the MS Money Mill Rolls On =(

Actually worth noting, if you want an OS-less laptop is the fact that Global
PC build their own laptops and will supply without an OS - or they would
about a year ago when I asked.
Worth checking if you are in the market.

Re: Bugger - the MS Money Mill Rolls On.... =(

[Jason Greenwood]

BTW, aren't laptops outselling desktops by like 2 to 1 nowadays??? Tilts 
the board into MS's favour even more

Nick Rout wrote:
On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 22:03 +1200, Robert Himmelmann wrote:
It is quite difficult not to give them any money. Just consider all
those "free" OEM-version of Windows you get with most computers.

only if you buy a laptop, if you want a desktop its pretty easy to
avoid.

Re: Bugger - the MS Money Mill Rolls On.... =(

[Jason Greenwood]

Yes, I ran into that when I bought my lappie. I even hassled MS NZ and 
the wholesaler about it. Their answer? To drop the price by $200 but 
leave Windows on it anyway

I wanted to return the rescue disk and get a refund - no can do they 
said - there are no channels for this. They said - you want this laptop? 
Then you get Windows.

I needed warranty service a short time later and had to set my lilo 
timout to 1 sec and make the default Windows. Why? If they know you've 
modified the OS install, it voids the warranty. True story.

Turned out ok though as I have to test our hardware for all our Windows 
users out there. The MS monopoly aint goin away any time soon sadly. MS 
has the OEM market by the short and curlies, that's a fact. Plus, 
they're in cahoots because they know that with every new Windows OS, 
people will be flocking for new hardware, as it's a given that Windows 
uses more resources with each iteration. Pthetic.

Ciao~~
Jason
Nick Rout wrote:
On Sat, 2005-04-30 at 22:03 +1200, Robert Himmelmann wrote:
It is quite difficult not to give them any money. Just consider all
those "free" OEM-version of Windows you get with most computers.

only if you buy a laptop, if you want a desktop its pretty easy to
avoid.

Bugger - the MS Money Mill Rolls On.... =(

[Jason Greenwood]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3264364a28,00.html
Microsoft profit up, Wall Street likes 2006 targets
29 April 2005
SEATTLE: Microsoft Corp. on Thursday posted sales below Wall Street 
expectations, but it said it had a strong product pipeline and gave an 
upbeat outlook for the year ahead.

Microsoft, based in Redmond, Washington, reported a net profit of 
$US2.56 billion, or 23 cents a share, for its fiscal third quarter ended 
March 31, compared with $US1.32 billion, or 12 cents a share, a year 
earlier.

Re: OT: USB drives

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi All,
Not to blow our own horn but our retail prices are about that:
http://www.flashcards.co.nz/catalog/index.php?cPath=53
and our prices include GST, dunno if the below prices do as well??
I'll even do a special on orders for CLUG Members - $5 off your online 
order with us. Just put 'CLUG' in the order notes at checkout and we'll 
refund the discount to your credit card! This discount offer is valid 
for 14 days.

I normally do not post plugs to the list but I just had to in this case. 
=) Other members have bought through us and can vouch for our service if 
they wish.

Cheers
Jason
Craig FALCONER wrote:
I have a source for USB 2 thumb drives.
A Cruzer Micro 512 Mb drive will be about $90
A Cruzer Micro 1024 Mb drive will be about $160
Exact pricing will be available soon.
Here's an approximate pic of the 1Gb version:
http://shell.clug.net.nz:8080/~criggie/8999057_full.jpg
If you want to add to our order, I will be placing it later next week.
Please email me off list before then.

Re: OT - Tales of Digital Cameras / Video cameras

[Jason Greenwood]

To be honest, if you are using a camera that uses a memory card, the
very best thing you can get to access the images under Linux is a Card
Reader. There are also units that are pen drives that accept the various
memory cards. Then it makes no difference if your camera is usable under
Linux or not...
Cheers
Jason
yuri wrote:
On 4/22/05, Andrew Sands wrote:
I am about to purchase both a digital camera and a digital video camera. Of
course, I need to make sure that I can use both devices under Linux.
So, if anybody has purchased either type of device recently then I after
kind of a mini review as to how usable its been.

My father-in-law has a Fuji FinePix camera. I plugged it into the
laptop running Mdk 10.0 and an icon automagically appeared on the KDE
desktop labelled "Harddrive" which contained all the photos on the
camera as jpg files.
Whenever I turned the camera off the harddrive icon disappeared.
Bad things happened when the camera was unplugged or turned off when
the files where still in use by any application (including the
konqueror window displaying the files as thumbnails).
Yuri

Does this bode well for Linux users or not??

[Jason Greenwood]

In my experience they deserve each other. They also are both extremely
arrogant companies that don't give a meaningful toss about Linux -
they've said as much at the conferences I've been to. Maybe this
consolidation will change things???
===
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3253581a28,00.html
Adobe to buy rival Macromedia
19 April 2005
SAN FRANCISCO: Adobe Systems Inc, maker of Acrobat document-sharing
software and Photoshop, on Monday said it agreed to buy digital
animation and design software company Macromedia Inc for about $US3.4
billion ($NZ4.80 billion) in stock.

Does this bode well for Linux users or not??

[Jason Greenwood]

In my experience they deserve each other. They also are both extremely 
arrogant companies that don't give a meaningful toss about Linux - 
they've said as much at the conferences I've been to. Maybe this 
consolidation will change things???

===
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3253581a28,00.html
Adobe to buy rival Macromedia
19 April 2005
SAN FRANCISCO: Adobe Systems Inc, maker of Acrobat document-sharing 
software and Photoshop, on Monday said it agreed to buy digital 
animation and design software company Macromedia Inc for about $US3.4 
billion ($NZ4.80 billion) in stock.

S5 info

[Jason Greenwood]

Thought this may be useful to some
A Simple Standards-Based Slide Show System
http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/
http://www.masterviews.com/2004/11/21/xhtml_to_powerpoint_browserbased_css.htm
http://www.sixapart.com/pronet/weblog/2004/10/using_movable_t.html
http://jade.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/alan/archives/2004/10/15/s5.php

Re: DHBs to test open source

[Jason Greenwood]

Bout bloody time too!
Robert Fisher wrote:
DHBs to test open source alternative to Windows and Office
http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/NL/39A5FAC6A45E8FB2CC256FDA00319B5C

Re: 'whois' client query

[Jason Greenwood]

Cheers Volker.
I see. That is a pity. Then automated queries are almost useless, except 
to tell you who the registrar is. =) At least then you can hit up their 
site directly... I found a LOT more info by going direct for my last few 
queries. Sad really... I liked the automated whois from the command 
line. Alas, too good to last I guess.

Cheers
Jason
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
My problem is that it is sometimes not complete vs. what can be found by 
using the domain registrars whois tools (online or otherwise). Why would 
this be?

Registrars increasingly hold back information on the traditional whois
interface because of the abuse which that has been subjected to. With an
obnoxious web interface they have much more control over what they hand
out to whom and how often.
Volker

'whois' client query

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi All,
All major Linux distros that I am aware of are bundled with 'whois' 
client software for domain lookups/traces.

My problem is that it is sometimes not complete vs. what can be found by 
using the domain registrars whois tools (online or otherwise). Why would 
this be? I thought all whois clients queried the same databases for 
their respective countries? I suspect they do but that the extent of 
what the client displays from that database is client specific and 
determined by who programmed it and set its parameters.

Anyone know if I am correct? Are there other GPL'd whois clients for 
Linux that are more complete than the standard bundled client? I usually 
get fairly complete info using the client bundled with SUSE 9.2 but 
sometimes it is way off...

Ideas?
Cheers
Jason

MS Patent Objection - List Call to Action!

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi All,
See the article here:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=5&ObjectID=10115247
for more info.
I just sent an email to IPONZ. I recommend you all do the same if you 
can! The one I sent is below for reference.

Cheers
Jason
===
 Original Message 
Subject: Patent Application Objection
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 14:57:30 +1300
From: Flashcards Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To Whom It May Concern,
I am writing in regards to Patent 525484, submitted by Microsoft
Corporation.
As a business owner and computer (Linux) user, I vehemently reject the
concept of software patents for a variety of reasons. I also support and
use Open Source Software wherever possible. Be that as it may, I realise
that IPONZ currently accepts applications for software patents in a
number of circumstances.
I object to the above mentioned patent on the grounds that there exists
prior art and that the whole idea of XML, is interoperability, which
Microsoft is trying to subvert for its own financial gain. I understand
from recent news articles that IPONS is overworked and
understaffed/funded. I would hate this to lead to the allowance of
patents that are plainly obvious to any programmer anywhere. Many of
these are also simply standard programming practices that Microsoft are
trying to patent and hold for ransom.
Please do not allow them to add to their arsenal that has allowed them
to become a PROVEN and CONVICTED illegal monopolist. Please do not allow
patent 525484 to be accepted/upheld.
For further reference on this issue, please see the NZ Herald Article here:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/index.cfm?c_id=5&ObjectID=10115247
Thank you for your time and attention in this matter.
Kind Regards,
Jason Greenwood
Co-Director/Owner MRS Technologies Ltd

Re: Linux Scanner Support

[Jason Greenwood]

Got my Canon LIDe20 today, very nice indeed. Plays nice with SANE and 
Kooka under Suse 9.2. Jason is happy.

Thanks all.
Cheers
Jason
C. Falconer wrote:
The HP 7400 series is not very nice... Neither scsi nor USB work with sane.
-Original Message-
From: Jason Greenwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 14 March 2005 3:28 p.m.
To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Linux Scanner Support

I have checked the SANE page and these models:
Epson Expression 1680 USB Scanner
CanoScan LiDE20
HP ScanJet 7450c
look well supported. Anyone have first hand experience with any of them?
Cheers
Jason

Re: Linux Scanner Support

[Jason Greenwood]

I see now, big difference in max resolution...
Cheers
Jason
Jason Greenwood wrote:
The differences between the 20 and 30 model??
Cheers
Jason
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
think I'll go with the CanoScan LiDE20. =)
Unless people have suggestions of reasonably priced new scanners that 
are well supported under Linux (Suse 9.2 pro)??

LiDE30! You'll need to use trademe though, and they sell fast. The
LiDE35 is utterly useless (linuxilly speaking). There are a couple of
issues I have with the 30 though: illumination is sideways, this is not
that important though but does create weird shadows if your original
isn't flat (eg a CD), and it's very slow for my feeling. Specs say
preview in 15 seconds - which is definitely annoying. As a first guess
(only had it for a few days), it's not any faster than a 300dpi HP
doorstop brick of 10 years back - pathetic in the age of fast computing
advances. Pop in if you want to test it.
Volker

Re: Linux Scanner Support

[Jason Greenwood]

The differences between the 20 and 30 model??
Cheers
Jason
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
think I'll go with the CanoScan LiDE20. =)
Unless people have suggestions of reasonably priced new scanners that 
are well supported under Linux (Suse 9.2 pro)??

LiDE30! You'll need to use trademe though, and they sell fast. The
LiDE35 is utterly useless (linuxilly speaking). There are a couple of
issues I have with the 30 though: illumination is sideways, this is not
that important though but does create weird shadows if your original
isn't flat (eg a CD), and it's very slow for my feeling. Specs say
preview in 15 seconds - which is definitely annoying. As a first guess
(only had it for a few days), it's not any faster than a 300dpi HP
doorstop brick of 10 years back - pathetic in the age of fast computing
advances. Pop in if you want to test it.
Volker

Re: Linux Scanner Support

[Jason Greenwood]

Ok, I just found out that the other 2 are thousands of dollars so I 
think I'll go with the CanoScan LiDE20. =)

Unless people have suggestions of reasonably priced new scanners that 
are well supported under Linux (Suse 9.2 pro)??

Cheers
Jason
Jason Greenwood wrote:
I have checked the SANE page and these models:
Epson Expression 1680 USB Scanner
CanoScan LiDE20
HP ScanJet 7450c
look well supported. Anyone have first hand experience with any of them?
Cheers
Jason

Linux Scanner Support

[Jason Greenwood]

I have checked the SANE page and these models:
Epson Expression 1680 USB Scanner
CanoScan LiDE20
HP ScanJet 7450c
look well supported. Anyone have first hand experience with any of them?
Cheers
Jason

Re: A refugee from redhat seeks advice

[Jason Greenwood]

We used Mandrake at our offices until the poor QC just got out of hand. 
We switched to Suse 9.2 pro on the desktop and Debian on the sever. Life 
is now good. =) ALL distros have their quirks but quality control is 
important. So is polish on the desktop...Suse has it in spades.

Cheers
Jason
Shane Hollis wrote:
I have been using redhat for the last couple of years on commercial
sites. We have some new installs coming up, am looking at other options
other than red hat. 

At present have looked at Suse as it is used by some of our customers
who are Novellites. Am also casting an eye over gentoo and mandrake.
There are a number of systems in place such as YAST and portage which
seem to make updating a whole lot easier than it used to be. Up until
now I have only had to worry about the RH flavour. 

My clients need a) Security, and  b)stability. They don't want cutting
edge technology, as cutting often turns to bleeding edge, but a nice
stable, solid conservative platform. RH gave that to them. At present I
am leaning towards Gentoo but 

I know this is asking for opinions which do abound around here but
Two questions: 
1 - Of non RH platforms which the most generally secure /stable for
SAMBA file serving and Mail type systems
2 - Which updater is generally better for maintenance of a mission
critical system.

Also has anyone tried United Linux?  IBM has certified that for its
Domino servers.

* Red Hat Enterprise Linux version 2.1 (AS/ES/WS) (uniprocessor Only )  
* SuSE Linux Enterprise Server
* (SLES) 8.0 for S/390 and Intel.   
* United Linux/Powered by United Linux 1.0 SP2 for S/390
* All "United Linux/Powered by United Linux 1.0 SP2 for Linux on Intel
distributions".
That includes:
* SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) 8.0
* Turbo Linux Enterprise Server
* Connectiva Linux Enterprise Server

Thanks in advance
Shane
-Original Message-
From: Christopher Sawtell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 4 March 2005 9:31 p.m.
To: linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz
Subject: Re: gentoo iso

On Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:58, Nick Rout wrote:
On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 18:15 +1300, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
( btw, the combo of linux-2.6.11 and
xorg-6.8.2 is a real joy )
are you using the gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.11 or
gentoo-dev-sources-2.6.11-r1 ebuild for the kernel?

currently 2.6.11-rc5
but I'm going to install the release asap, i.e. after Tuesday, bit panic
stricken atm, getting a slideshow put together.
--
C.S.

Re: Accounting Software for Sprorts Club

[Jason Greenwood]

Not really. Played with it ages ago but I'm sure it's better now...
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 12:44, Jason Greenwood wrote:
Just for everyones info:
http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/09/1654232
Quasar Accounting finds move to open source adds up
Tuesday March 01, 2005 (06:00 PM GMT)

Tried it out yourself?
--
C. S.

Re: Accounting Software for Sprorts Club

[Jason Greenwood]

Just for everyones info:
http://software.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/02/09/1654232
Quasar Accounting finds move to open source adds up
Tuesday March 01, 2005 (06:00 PM GMT)
Cheers
Jason

Ralph Stoker wrote:
Can anyone recommend some free accounting software for use by Korfball 
Canterbury...of which I have just become the treasurer for my sins.

I've just been looking over GnuCash which seems to fit the bill pretty 
well...but before I invest a lot of time trying to learn all the ins 
and outs has anyone used it and found it to work OK?...recommend 
another package?

Re: OpenOffice.org SI contact person

[Jason Greenwood]

Even though I do not agree with most of his views and lifestyle choice, 
Tim Barnett MP is VERY receptive to new ideas. I have met with him a few 
times...he knows who I am so name drop when you go see him. I have 
'softened him up' on the Open Source thing already for you. =)

Cheers
Jason Greenwood
Ian Laurenson wrote:
On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 12:24, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 11:56, Carl Cerecke wrote:
Ian Laurenson wrote:
I would really like to hear:
* What barriers you see that are preventing a greater uptake of OOo.
The Ministry of Education spending millions of *our* money to give
schools MS Word for free. If schools had to pay for MS Word, they would
be fleeing to OOo in droves.

* Anything else you think I should know or do.
Ask the Minister of Education why he blew that $30 million of our money on m/s 
licences, and make sure the rest of NZ hears you ask the question. I suspect 
you will get some evasive answer to the effect that T. Mallard Esq. (sic) is 
no longer in charge of schools.

For school use Solaris and OOo would be a far better and cheaper option.  I 
suspect that Sun might equip a small country's schools for free, The 
publicity would be worth umpteen million to them.

I am working on getting such questions asked in the house. At the moment
I am pursuing this through my contacts with the Green Party. Does anyone
have other contacts, other suggestions (letters to the editor perhaps?),
to get this question being asked more pervasively?
Thanks, Ian

Re: Email ettiquette rant

[Jason Greenwood]

BTW - I personally HATE bottom posting... =)

Re: Newbie - wanting to backup Ubuntu settings

[Jason Greenwood]

Ummm, I think using a GUI might be a tad easier for a newbie Chris. =)
I would backup all of /etc and also all of my Home Directory. Most 
important stuff is then backed up at that point. You can use a floppy 
and drag n drop using Konqueror (graphical file manager) or you can burn 
to CD using K3B (Graphical CD/DVD Burner).

Hope that helps.
Cheers
Jason
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:42, Lindsay wrote:
I have been using Ubuntu Warty for about 10-12 days now.
I have set up Evolution email, and GAIM with some personal settings and
contacts.   There maybe one or two other things that I have configured
for personal choice as well.
Now what I want to do is save this data.  I do not know the first thing
about how to do this - whether CD or floppy would be best and what
procedure to follow.  I dont want to read a 64kb page on a website
giving such instructions because of time constraints.  All I want is a
simple ABC of say doing this on a CD, whether the CD has to be a special
format, whether more than I think needs to be backed up, and how to go
about this.   I.m not not wanting a diploma course.
Put floppy in drive
find ~ | cpio --create > /dev/fd0
Good until you have more content in your home directory than the floppy will 
hold, when you will need a CD-rw and the cdrecord program.

man cpio for all the gore.
If you have put any configuration changes in places other than your home dir 
you are SOL without going on the "diploma course" which you will discover 
at:-

man find
have fun.
--
Sincerely etc.,
Christopher Sawtell.

 

Re: Where is my camera mounted?

[Jason Greenwood]

The best thing to do is use a card reader. It is much easier than 
dicking around with the camera directly IMHO.

Just a thought.
Cheers
Jason
Robert Himmelmann wrote:
Barry wrote:
Using gphoto from Mandrake8.2 I could plug my camera into a usb port 
and it is seen immediately i load gphoto. Also in xwc i could go to 
/dev/usb/  and see the device file (dc2xx) appear and disappear as I 
turned the camera on or off.

In Mandrake10 the camera appears to mount in /proc/bus/usb/001/ but 
with a different 'name' each time it connects and is shown as type 
document size 0. Gphoto setup requires a full pathname which is 
consistent in its config setup. Is it possible to get around this 
problem?

I have also tried flphoto and GTKam to access the camera. What apps 
are you folk using to download photos?

Barry

Most modern cameras support the protocol used by USB-sticks. Then you 
don't need gphoto. Try "mount /dev/hda1". With submount that is done 
automatically but I don't think that that is included in Mandrake 8.2. 
What type of camera is it and how does it work under windows/Mac? Some 
cameras are also configurable in terms of the protocol.

Re: Open Office Question

[Jason Greenwood]

You are right, I have 'unchecked' the link box and it still does not 
embed them properly as it should. =( I am using OO 1.1.3 on SUSE 9.2 Pro.

Cheers all,
Jason
Ian Laurenson wrote:
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 15:39, Jason Greenwood wrote:
Bloody Open Office! =)
When I insert images into a document, thay are not embedded but instead 
the image path is relative to the image location on my drive. Thus, when 
I email a document as an attachment, the images I have inserted show as 
broken links in the document to the recipient. Any idea how to 'embed' 
images into the OO document, so they get emailed as well??

At the bottom of the Insert Graphics dialog there is a link check box.
Unchecked it should include the actual graphic.
However, see http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=23842 about
loss of graphics in rtf files when opened by Word. Based on that issue
it would appear to be fixed in later releases but I haven't double
checked this for myself.
Thanks, Ian

Re: Open Office Question

[Jason Greenwood]

Thanks heaps! =)
Ian Laurenson wrote:
On Tue, 2005-02-15 at 15:39, Jason Greenwood wrote:
Bloody Open Office! =)
When I insert images into a document, thay are not embedded but instead 
the image path is relative to the image location on my drive. Thus, when 
I email a document as an attachment, the images I have inserted show as 
broken links in the document to the recipient. Any idea how to 'embed' 
images into the OO document, so they get emailed as well??

At the bottom of the Insert Graphics dialog there is a link check box.
Unchecked it should include the actual graphic.
However, see http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=23842 about
loss of graphics in rtf files when opened by Word. Based on that issue
it would appear to be fixed in later releases but I haven't double
checked this for myself.
Thanks, Ian

Re: Open Office Question

[Jason Greenwood]

Well, I sorted it by outputting it to a PDF instead. That embedded the 
images alright! =)

God Bless OO. LOL
Cheers
Jason
Jason Greenwood wrote:
Bloody Open Office! =)
When I insert images into a document, thay are not embedded but instead 
the image path is relative to the image location on my drive. Thus, when 
I email a document as an attachment, the images I have inserted show as 
broken links in the document to the recipient. Any idea how to 'embed' 
images into the OO document, so they get emailed as well??

Cheers
Jason
PS - am saving it as a .rtf file.

Open Office Question

[Jason Greenwood]

Bloody Open Office! =)
When I insert images into a document, thay are not embedded but instead 
the image path is relative to the image location on my drive. Thus, when 
I email a document as an attachment, the images I have inserted show as 
broken links in the document to the recipient. Any idea how to 'embed' 
images into the OO document, so they get emailed as well??

Cheers
Jason
PS - am saving it as a .rtf file.

Re: Linux security - newbie

[Jason Greenwood]

The appropriate line here is: boot access=r00t access=)
Cheers
Jason
Michael JasonSmith wrote:
On Mon, 2005-02-07 at 20:17 +1300, Lindsay wrote:
I have been of the understanding that Linux is relatively virus and
intruder safe.  How accurate is my understanding of this?
Others have nicely answered the question. However, be aware that any
user on your system can still easily take down the entire machine under
most setups. For a home box this is not much of a problem, but it can be
an issue on bigger systems.

Re: Linux security - newbie

[Jason Greenwood]

I have run Linux of various flavours for about 6 years now (Desktop and 
Server) and I run no special anti-virus software whatsoever. I keep my 
distros updated and they all include sensible firewall rules. I have 
never had ANY security breaches that I am aware of in that time...

My .0002c worth.
Cheers
Jason
Robert Himmelmann wrote:
[snip]
Yes linux is safer, but its neither 100% safe nor idiot proof, for a
failrly low level of idiocy :-) You might spend the rest of your life on
a dialup non firewalled linux box and never regret it. You won't find
that experience on some oses - unpatched box taken over in 10 minutes -
we all know the stories.
 

I think 4 minutes is the latest figure for Windows XP SP1 without 
firewall or antivirus.

Re: OT: Python book "Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner"

[Jason Greenwood]

I totally agree and wish you (and her) all the best. =)
Cheers
Jason
Carl Cerecke wrote:
Jason Greenwood wrote:
You said it 'there has to be an inherent interest'. Is there? Or is 
this wishful thinking (hoping?)  on dads part? If so, it'll collect 
dust on a shelf most likely...

Good point. A parent can make an educated guess, but usually it comes 
down to "try it and see". Same goes for music lessons/gym/ballet/sports 
etc.

My older daughter has a reading level well beyond her age, has an 
excellent memory, and enjoys reading science books - sometimes 
preferring reading them over watching TV. Chances are better than 
average that she'll enjoy programming. If I buy the book and she doesn't 
like it, then I can lend the book to others, and eventually try it on my 
other children. No big loss. It's a far bigger loss not to encourage her 
to try new things.

Cheers,
Carl.

Re: OT: Python book "Python Programming for the Absolute Beginner"

[Jason Greenwood]

You said it 'there has to be an inherent interest'. Is there? Or is this 
wishful thinking (hoping?)  on dads part? If so, it'll collect dust on a 
shelf most likely...

My .002c worth.
Cheers
Jason
Carl Cerecke wrote:
Derek Smithies wrote:
I think it is somewhat futile  to get a book on a computer language in 
the hope that the recipient will learn the language. More important 
than the book is a pressing task that requires the use of some 
language. With the pressing task comes the requisite enthusiasm to 
learn the language. Thus, if there is no pressing task, don't buy the 
book.

I taught myself programming as a kid on the Commodore 64. I never had 
any pressing task, I was just interested.

Actually, I don't think you can learn your first computer language 
because of some "pressing" non-trivial programming task. Learning to 
program well just takes too long.

Michael Dawson, in his book "Python Programming for the Absolute 
Beginner", has cunningly chosen all programming examples to be games. If 
that doesn't generate some enthusiasm to get a kid programming, then 
nothing probably will.

Anyway, her birthday is in June. I'm just getting organised 
uncharacteristically early - and I can't really afford lego mindstorms.

There is a holy war brewing here - what language to learn? 

No holy war necessary.
For teaching kids, python is the Right Language.
:-)
Cheers,
Carl.

Re: OT - Homeschooling.

[Jason Greenwood]

I mostly agree...=) My fiance probably wouldn't even know what Wondows 
looked like if she saw it. Her only computing experience has been on my 
Linux/KDE boxen.

Cheers
Jason
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:10, Steve Bell wrote:
Actually, just try picking up linux at any time... ;-)
No, no, it's trying to get a handle on XP after you have been using
Unix for about 15 years and KDE for the last 6 or 7 that's so hard.
I gave up the ghost after 3 or 4 days, wiped eXtra Painful and installed 
Gentoo GNU/Linux. ( Yes, that's correct, I first experienced KDE when it was 
still beta, 0.7 iirc )

Which just goes to show that it's not any particular way of doing that's 
difficult. It's having to change long term habits that's so difficult.

For older users who find being wrenched kicking and screaming from the command 
line to be not far off torture, KDE has the very nice feature of Alt-F2 which 
pops up a window with a tiny command line. If one just cannot, like me, 
remember menu structures, that is _the_ saviour application.

Re: DVD Playing on Linux - help for others??

[Jason Greenwood]

I'm not scared of compiling, what I am scared of is the time it takes. I 
downlaoded, installed and ran it. If I had to compile too, I'd still be 
waiting to try it out this morning! Plus, this is a single user laptop - 
mine. =) LOL All good fun I say...maybe I'll learn to love Gentoo too 
but the learning curve is pretty steep and I am a busy man. Hehe.

Cheers
Jason
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 10:29, Jason Greenwood wrote:
Yes, I know, similar on Drake. That doesn't work too well on non-Gentoo
systems now does it?
True.
And if you don't want to compile?? 
Ah. But _you_ don't compile, your computer - directed by the Gentoo .ebuild 
script - does. You do not have to know one iota about what it's doing.
Compiling is nothing to be allergic to, honestly it's no big deal.


There's the rub.  
Different distros, er, strokes for different folks.
Indeed, vive la differance.

Compiling all that on a less than modern machine aint exactly going to
be quick now is it?
It all depends on how you define "quick", it's going to be a _great deal_ 
faster - even on a 600MHz machine - than footling around until 03:00am 
looking for some weird rpm file to d/l.


Took me 5 minutes of downloading over 128K adsl and 
then 2 minutes of installing and I was done... =)
You conveniently forget the time taken to find the particular file you need, 
and then fighting all the demons living in rpm hell. Been there, done that, 
_never_ again. Remember that Linux is an Open _Source_ system. imho binary 
distributions of it are an anachronism from 10 years ago when the ordinary 
personal user was lucky to have a 33 Mhz '486 with 8 megs of ram. That sort 
of machine could not do very much compiling at all. The situation today is 
that memory and speed are about a 100 times bigger and faster than there were 
then. Building packages from source is quite practical now-a-days.
  

Statically linked RPMS 
are even better than Gentoo for most smallish programs IMHO. No
dependency hell, just download, install, use. Simple. With modern cheap
hard drives, WHO CARES about library duplication?? I certainly don't!!!
For a machine used by a single user I agree completely, but for a machine used 
concurrently by many users shared object libraries do save massive amounts of 
still somewhat precious memory.


Cheers
Jason
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:53, Jason Greenwood wrote:
The setup was straightforward and quick once I found the right info -
which took me until 3am (!)
3am Egads ( !!! )
emerge --sync ( approx 10 minutes, paradise cable is nice )
emerge vlc ( or xine, or mplayer, or ogle, or kaffeine )
Cook and eat dinner.
Watch film.
Do we need another Gentoo mini-InstallFest?

Re: DVD Playing on Linux - help for others??

[Jason Greenwood]

Nope, couldn't find the packages on Packman...though they have some good 
packages there. Found Guru's Suse page good too but I emailed him and he 
is just now putting the packages together for 9.2

Cheers
Jason
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
You conveniently forget
[...]
and then fighting all the demons living in rpm hell.

Bullocks. Download rpms which were compiled on the same distro and
version, and you don't have any problems (unless the rpm packager is an
idiot, in which case you don't want the rpms in the first place).
Spec files are also not that difficult to adapt. Dito for recompiling a
source rpm.
Anyways, thanks for the instructions Jason (must try them too...). Did
packman not have anything useful?
Volker

Re: DVD Playing on Linux - help for others??

[Jason Greenwood]

Plus, with Gentoo, you have this equation: Download time + compile time 
before use. Binary distros only have the download time component. Didn't 
mean to make this a distro war: sorry. :-/

Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
I have never understood why people want broadband for gentoo, but will
happily install a binary distro that immediately wants 500M of updates
and are happy with a modem.

Let's stay realistic though, 500MB seems to be a tad high. I don't know
for other distros, but the not-so-young SuSE 9.1 has about 260MB of
updates available for a typical desktop user, of which maybe only half
would be actually needed and downloaded. That's about 130MB, rather a
lot less than 500.
Volker

Re: DVD Playing on Linux - help for others??

[Jason Greenwood]

Yes, I know, similar on Drake. That doesn't work too well on non-Gentoo 
systems now does it? And if you don't want to compile?? There's the rub. 
Different distros, er, strokes for different folks.

Compiling all that on a less than modern machine aint exactly going to 
be quick now is it? Took me 5 minutes of downloading over 128K adsl and 
then 2 minutes of installing and I was done... =) Statically linked RPMS 
are even better than Gentoo for most smallish programs IMHO. No 
dependency hell, just download, install, use. Simple. With modern cheap 
hard drives, WHO CARES about library duplication?? I certainly don't!!!

Cheers
Jason
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 09:53, Jason Greenwood wrote:
The setup was straightforward and quick once I found the right info -
which took me until 3am (!)

3am Egads ( !!! )
emerge --sync ( approx 10 minutes, paradise cable is nice )
emerge vlc ( or xine, or mplayer, or ogle, or kaffeine )
Cook and eat dinner.
Watch film.
Do we need another Gentoo mini-InstallFest?

DVD Playing on Linux - help for others??

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi All,
I used to just install all of the right PLF packages to play DVD's (even 
encrypted ones) on Mandrake. That obviously doesn't work on SUSE 9.2. I 
did get it going however. These 2 pages were essential:
http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br/xine/
http://www.john.todd.dsl.pipex.com/

The first is a link to a site that downloads the xine source daily and 
compiles and packages them as RPM's for download, all statically linked 
for easy install. Download the libdvdcss, xinelib and xine ui and then 
install them, css first. For some other Windows media files you'll also 
want the win32 codecs.

The second page describes how to enable DMA (??) on your DVD drive, 
which is important to avoid 'stuttering' when playing DVD's. Mine 
stuttered badly until I enabled it. Now it's as smooth as the proverbial 
baby's

The setup was straightforward and quick once I found the right info - 
which took me until 3am (!)

Hope this helps someone else.
Cheers
Jason

SUSE 9.2 - I am happy now (install report etc)

[Jason Greenwood]

I have now installed Suse 9.2, coutesy of Volker, on my Sony TR5 Lappie
and so far I am VERY impressed. It 'just works' and detected and
configured almost everything perfectly out of the box (except widescreen
x which requires a BIOS patch - no biggie).
WOW is this better than Drake. More stable, configs don't break things,
full ACPI support. I think I have found my new fav distro for now!!
I'll let you all know how I get on...
Man do I miss URPMI tho - YAST aint even close...back to RPM management
from the command line in many instances. Small price to pay really...
SUSE seems to be a very solid distro so far with not even an app lockup
to speak of yet, even with some pretty heavy tinkering. Sony hardware is
always pretty anti Linux but I LOVE the TR5 for its size and features,
so now that I can get almost everything working with it under Linux, I
am well pleased to say the least. If you are looking for a very good,
RPM based, desktop/KDE oriented distro, give SUSE a try, I think you may
like it.
Cheers,
Jason

SUSE 9.2 - I am happy now (install report etc)

[Jason Greenwood]

I have now installed Suse 9.2, coutesy of Volker, on my Sony TR5 Lappie 
and so far I am VERY impressed. It 'just works' and detected and 
configured almost everything perfectly out of the box (except widescreen 
x which requires a BIOS patch - no biggie).

WOW is this better than Drake. More stable, configs don't break things, 
full ACPI support. I think I have found my new fav distro for now!!

I'll let you all know how I get on...
Man do I miss URPMI tho - YAST aint even close...back to RPM management 
from the command line in many instances. Small price to pay really...

SUSE seems to be a very solid distro so far with not even an app lockup 
to speak of yet, even with some pretty heavy tinkering. Sony hardware is 
always pretty anti Linux but I LOVE the TR5 for its size and features, 
so now that I can get almost everything working with it under Linux, I 
am well pleased to say the least. If you are looking for a very good, 
RPM based, desktop/KDE oriented distro, give SUSE a try, I think you may 
like it.

Cheers,
Jason

Re: Issues with Mandrake 10.1

[Jason Greenwood]

I have given up on Drake for now myself. Switched to Suse 9.2 and love 
it (thanks Volker).

The upgrade from 10 to 10.1 fixed sound but broke ethernet and utterly 
barfed on wireless. It fixed acpi but broke many other things. Seems 
drake takes one step forward and 2 back with every release. I am happy 
to recommend drake still but they are not the only 'desktop distro' on 
the block anymore and they need to raise their QC game to be honest. I 
am still a club member and appreciate what drake have done but there are 
others worthy of consideration now. The 2 things I miss most from drake: 
URPMI and PLF. Oh and they have a great set of packages available, nopt 
all of which can be found for SUSE - I am looking though!!

Cheers
Jason
Zane Gilmore wrote:
I recently saw someone mentioning that Mandrake 10.1 had some problems. 
I think it was Yuri.

What I would like to know is...
were they very bad and
what peoples general opinion of Mandrake 10.1 are as I am thinking that 
I will either upgrade to 10.1 or maybe go Suse if 10.1 is looking too 
flaky.

Cheers,
Zane

Re: SUSE, YaST and dial-up failure

[Jason Greenwood]

Ok, I am seriously considering giving Suse A try. Thanks to Volkers 
vociferous praise of it and thanks to Mandrakes continuing poor QC (even 
as of 10.1 Official), I have been forced to look elsewhere for a new distro.

I have checked out the pros and cons of most of the majors (new and old) 
out there and Suse looks like it could suit. It uses RPMS, which I am 
familiar with, supports KDE well (I hate gnome but love some gnome (GTK) 
apps), and has a graphical configurator thingy (YAST).

Volker, I assume 9.2 is the latest and greatest and that a copy could be 
begged borrowed or stolen off of you for testing??? =)

Cheers
Jason
Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
The ltmodem came in with the kernel, I didn't have to make a choice on 
that one - it installed ltmodem-2.6.2-38.9, the previous was xxx.8 it 
came down at the same point. I can also assure you that I rebooted as 
soon as YOU had run the kernel patch.

Then debugging would have to be a bit more hands-on. It's a fault in the
update process somewhere, and not yours.

It does seem to be me 
alone that is having this problem though, which kind of points a finger.

Not really. How many on this list use 9.1 and a Lucent modem?

I was just about to send this and then had a thought - my first kernel 
download was interrupted and then resumed. I think that this one was too 

Wrong tree. Packages are gpg verified before being installed.

Slightly off this topic - do you and the list tend to install a new 
version, as you installed 9.2 the other day, or continue to patch the 
old one.

As always, it's a cost/benefit tradeoff: upgrading takes time, but the
new version gives newer software you might feel like you can't do
without. I skipped 9.0, but upgraded now to 9.2 because I did a bit of
betatesting on it. 9.2 is supposed to have significant improvements for
mobile computing, I'd also upgrade if I had an Opteron.

Presumably endlessly patching 9.1 won't ever take me to 9.2

Correct. SuSE provides updates for security problems and major bugs for
two years. New software versions are provided only exceptionally (e.g.
KDE) and in the supplementary area, and is unsupported. After two years
you're essentially forced to upgrade unless you don't care about
security. By then KDE and everything else probably has so far advanced
that you'd want to upgrade anyway.

but I'm getting very attached to this system now.

Then stay with it until you find something it doesn't do.
Volker

Re: unlimited.school.nz RE: [Fwd: Re: ignorate priciple's]

[Jason Greenwood]

Agree'd, I have been in web promotion and advertising (ask me for our 
web address and you can see how successful I have been promoting our 
site in Google if you don't believe me) for some time and the limited 
metadata available in Flash is almost useless to Google and other SE's.

Flash is the bane of the Internet. Ok, IE is worse but Flash/Shockwave 
come a close second.

Cheers
Jason
C. Falconer wrote:
Their site will be completely invisible to google - because google doesn't
search flash.
Not a good way to help the customers find you.
-Original Message-
From: Steve Bell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, 19 November 2004 9:07 a.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Fwd: Re: ignorate priciple's]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say from a designer's
perspective, I actually think the site's quite cool.  Now before yall 
throw heavy objects to knock me off my limb, I did say 'design', not 
'content'.  Sometimes I worry all you geeks get too wrapped up in code 
and forget about those unfortunates among us who like pretty things d:-P

Righto, now I'm sitting in a roasting disk on my limb, waiting for a 
rise in temperature.

BTW, sorry Olwen, think I got caught by a reply to header, maybe...
Olwen Williams wrote:

I didn't contact Caleb's pincipal, but did look at their website, and 
submitted it to http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com Officially the website 
sucks, for it's Flash and guesswork approach. 
http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/dailysucker/

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:15:57 +1300, Caleb Sawtell 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is the priciple of my school ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) he 
thinks linux is a peice of shit. feel free to drop him a line.
--
Caleb Sawtell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  

Re: XF86 problem

[Jason Greenwood]

You're welcome. =) Now back it up. LOL
Rowan wrote:
Just a quick work of thanks to Jason for helping me to get my XF86config
going again. The MCC worked in the end. Also thanks to Paul for trying
to help.
Rowan

Flash: Mandrakelinux 10.1 Official is available!

[Jason Greenwood]

Just FYI all:

FLASH: Mandrakelinux 10.1 Official is available!
Following a successful Community release, Mandrakelinux 10.1 Official
features improved hardware and mobility support (including support for
BlueTooth and Intel Centrino chips), better stability and a
lot of new software!
Mandrakesoft has developed three value-added packs based on
Mandrakelinux 10.1 Official:
- Discovery is a very good way to get started in Linux
- PowerPack is a Linux OS for advanced desktop use
- PowerPack+ lets users set up small and home networks quickly and
  simply
Learn more about the Mandrakelinux 10.1 Official packs at:
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/101
How do you get Mandrakelinux 10.1 Official? You have a choice!
a) Choose your pack from the new 10.1 Official range and pre-order now:
http://www.mandrakestore.com
Note: Standard Mandrakeclub Members get a 20% rebate on 10.1 pack
pre-orders; Silver Members and above get 25% off!
b) NEW! Subscribe to Mandrakeclub as a Gold Member and download
the 10.1 Powerpack (6 ISO CDs!) + 10.1 Powerpack+ (8 ISO CDs!) + the
convenient 10.1 Powerpack DVD ISO!
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/club/
c) NEW! Subscribe to Mandrakeclub as a Silver Member and download
the 10.1 Powerpack (6 CDs!) + 10.1 Powerpack DVD ISO!
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/club/
d) Subscribe to Mandrakeclub as a Standard Member and get your
Download Edition now (4 CDs) (the 3-CD download edition will be
released on public FTPs in a few weeks, the fourth CD being reserved
for Club members):
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/club/
In addition to an extended choice of software, all 10.1 Official packs
come with many pre-packaged commercial plugins such as Flash & Java
players, NVIDIA and ATI drivers and many others.
Mandrakesoft Online Team.

Re: gPhoto2 and Sony DSC-P8

[Jason Greenwood]

Use a card reader, much less fiddly, and it can stay plugged in. I would 
recommend a company I am affiliated with for one but I got flamed the 
last time I did that... =)

Cheers
Jason
Douglas Royds wrote:
I cheerfully plugged my sister-in-law's DSC-P8 
(http://www.dpreview.com/news/0302/03022405sonyp8p10.asp) into my box, 
confidently expecting to download snaps the way I do from my own Canon S45.

I have since discovered that the P8 is not supported 
(http://gphoto.org/proj/libgphoto2/support.php), which seems a bit of an 
oversight.

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[Fwd: Mdklinux Flash NWL: Mandrakelinux 10.1 Community available now!]

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi all, thought you may be interested...
 Original Message 
Subject: Mdklinux Flash NWL: Mandrakelinux 10.1 Community available now!
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:01:38 +0200 (CEST)
From: Mandrakesoft Team <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FLASH: Mandrakelinux 10.1 Community available now!
To all those who want the latest features and want them now:
Mandrakelinux 10.1 Community has just been released. Based on the latest
and best of Open Source software (Kernel 2.6.8.1, Xorg-X11 6.7), the new
Community will put some spice back into your computing life.
What's new?
See this page :
http://www.mandrakesoft.com/products/101/community for a complete list
but here is an overview of what you can expect:
  * Enhanced support for mobile hardware and applications
  * User interface improvements
  * Support for a lot of recent and exotic hardware
  * Hundreds of new and updated applications, including major
versions of the Gimp and Mozilla
Where can I get it?
  * A DVD of Mandrakelinux 10.1 Community that includes commercial
software (Flash/Java plugins, JDK, etc.) and non-free drivers
(Nvidia and ATI video cards) is available for purchase on
Mandrakestore. Order it now at
http://www.mandrakestore.com
  * Mandrakeclub Members and contributors have download
access to ISO images of this new distribution and to KDE 3.3
packages.
  * Mandrakeclub Members of level Silver and above have privileged
access rights! Mandrakeclub Silver Members can download ISO
images which contain commercial applications and drivers, and
Gold and above level Members have access to the ISO image of the
commercial DVD.
Not a Mandrakeclub Member yet? Enroll now at :
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/club/
In agreement with Mandrakesoft's development roadmap, Mandrakelinux 10.1
Official will be released in November. Mandrakesoft's range of products
for home users (Discovery, PowerPack, PowerPack+) will be based on 10.1
Official.
Mandrakesoft Online Team.
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Re: File managers/browsers

[Jason Greenwood]

I like XWC. =)
david merriman wrote:
I really like Krusader.
http://krusader.sourceforge.net/home.php
David
When I go, I'd like to go peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather, 
not screaming in terror like his passengers.


Hamish McBrearty wrote:
Hi all
Having recently been through my laptop and given it a darn good clean out
and removing unused packages (like KDE) I find myself looking for a new
file manager/browser. I've switched to using Enlightenment but its file
browser Evidence is a little lacking. Sure it looks fantastic but I'm 
told
it still under heavy development for release with e17.

So what do people recommend? I've tried Rox and didn't really like it,
I've tried Endeavour 2 and wasn't impressed and I can't install Nautilus
without installing most of Gnome, something I'd like to avoid.
-
Hamish McBrearty MCSE  MCSA
Network Engineer
Rangi Ruru Girls' School
59 Hewitts Road
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND
Ph 03 355-6099
Fax 03 355-6027
CELL 021 999770
E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--

 

Re: checking fstab entries

[Jason Greenwood]

It's my personal favourite... =)
Christopher Sawtell wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004 07:23, Roger Searle wrote:
Yes, this is a good explanation.   A question:
I figured out I can edit fstab via
[EMAIL PROTECTED] roger]# kedit /etc/fstab
as I need to be root.  While this works fine, is kedit the "best" editor
or is there something simpler/better?
Seeing as nobody else has mentioned it, please be aware of the very fully 
featured editor in the KDE stable called 'kate'. Kde Advanced Text Editor.

Re: browser wars RNZ 11.30am

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi is NOT FOSS freindly - I have had some dealings with him in the past. 
He is pro MS all the way. He is editor or Netguide Magazine for those 
that don't know.

InfoHelp wrote:
Nigel Horrocks has replaced Paul McGovern as IT commentator on National 
Radio (101FM, c675AM). He seems better informed about FOSS, and this 
morning will debunk the insecure Internet Explorer.

It should be good,
Rik

Re: How does mandrake's urpmi handle multiple copies of the same rpm

[Jason Greenwood]

It looks local first, then abroad. And you can selectively disable media 
temporarily in URPMI as well. =)

Nick Rout wrote:
Example case:
I have the first three CD's in the urpmi database, and I add the ftp
site for the distro too.
now the stuff on the CD's1-3 is a subset of whats on the ftp site, eg 
OpenOffice.org-1.1-11mdk.i586.rpm is on CD1 and is on the ftp site.

So what happens if I want to install OpenOffice.org? Does urpmi get it
from the cd or from the ftp site? I would hope that it has some sense of
the "cost" of each type of media, and goes for the "cheapest". [1]
If I want to install a package that has 5 dependencies, and all but one
are on cd's 1-3, will it do the sensible thing and just get the
remaining one from ftp, and the cd ones locally?
[1] of course the "cost" may vary depending on your situation, if you
are on a fast lan network connection to the ftp site it is way quicker
to let the network do its thing as opposed to shuffling cd's, and you
can't do it unattended if you need to shuffle cd's. personally i hate
all removable media, I can never find the damned things. useful but
loathsome.

Re: Installfest

[Jason Greenwood]

Just set up the remote repositories found here:
http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php
and you will not need the 4th disc!
Cheers
Jason
Neville Paintin wrote:
 
So, is the 4th disk available? I work night shift and can't make it 
Thursday night, any other way I could get the 4th disk?


 Regards Neville...
 

Check out my Home Page At http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~Spaintin/
- Original Message -
*From:* InfoHelp 
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]

*Sent:* Monday, July 19, 2004 7:00 PM
*Subject:* Re: Installfest
Another reason why people may be wanting their 4th disk:
PCMCIA/cardbus support (for laptop)
- come to Thursday 7.30pm meeting
- David might like to send along some disk 4s with Nick?
Cheers,
Rik
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:20:32 +1200, Neville Paintin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED] >
wrote:
 >
 > Well, I went along to the installfest on Saturday and brought a
set of
 > disks, I have installed it and have it up and running and first
 > impressions are pretty good. I've tried to install some of the extra
 > software and it is telling me to insert installation disk 4, I
only got 3
 > CD's, is there a 4th CD that goes with it? if so where/how can I
get a
 > copy?
 >
 >
 > Regards Neville...
 >
 >
 > Check out my Home Page At http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~Spaintin/

Re: Installfest

[Jason Greenwood]

It will look in all places set up in the software manager as 
repositories. It is hierarchical, it will look locally first and then 
look on the designated mirrors from there

Cheers
Jason
Paul Wilkins wrote:
Philip Charles wrote:
On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Paul Wilkins wrote:
 

So what happens when someone cancels the request for disc 4, after being
set up as per the installfest.
  

Nothing of any importance.  A package or two do not get installed.
 

I was hoping to find out what happens when people install additional 
software and are asked for cd4.
If the computers that were set up at the installfest, will it look 
elsewhere for the files on cd4 if it's not available.

Is that the case?
If not then how can people (who may currently not know all that much) 
deal with this.

Re: Installfest

[Jason Greenwood]

Go here:
http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php
and set up main, contrib and plf sources for the version you are running 
and you pretty much have access to everything Mandrake offers except 
proprietary Club Only stuff.

Cheers
Jason
Paul Wilkins wrote:
InfoHelp wrote:
Another reason why people may be wanting their 4th disk:
PCMCIA/cardbus support (for laptop)
- come to Thursday 7.30pm meeting
- David might like to send along some disk 4s with Nick?

If someone doesn't have disc 4 and don't envisage getting disc 4, what 
adjustment can they make so that sch files are downloaded and installed 
from the internet?

Re: Audio CD's

[Jason Greenwood]

K3B - Best CD Burning App for Linux I have tried (and I've tried most of 
them). In stall and burn, have fun. =)

P.S. Please remove your 'reply to' header as it screws the list munging.
Cheers
Jason
Michael Pearce wrote:
I am wanting to create Audio CDs on Linux.
I use xcdroast for data CD's but cannot see any option for creating an Audio 
CD.

I have correctly sampled .wav files ready to burn... and need to be burnt 
within the next 30 minutes.

Any Good quick suggestions.
I am running Debian (HDD installed knoppix).
Mike

PHP-MySQL Project

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi All,
I know of a Web Design Firm in Christchurch that has a potentially large 
web project coming up that will require extensive high quality PHP-MySQL 
Skills. It will have to be done to a deadline and consulatation with the 
firms client will be required. Anyone interested, please contact me 
offlist at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I know the owners of the firm well and they pay promptly and are aware 
of the costs for good programmers.

Regards,
Jason Greenwood

Re: Installfest Meeting tonight - minutes

[Jason Greenwood]

Thanks guys, have signed up again... =)
Nick Rout wrote:
http://trash.co.nz/mailman/listinfo/installfest_trash.co.nz
On Sat, 2004-05-29 at 12:09, Jason Greenwood wrote:
How does one go about joining the installfest list again? Been a while 
since I been on it...

Cheers
J
Nick Rout wrote:
Lets take this conversation to the installfest mailing list - saves
confusion.
On Sat, 2004-05-29 at 12:01, InfoHelp wrote:

Sounds like you're just the kind of 'grunt' we need Paul, to keep our 
'guns' in support for troubleshooting the hard stuff! My skills are 
similarly 'developing'. Correct us if wrong, guys..

Rik
Paul Wilkins wrote:

InfoHelp wrote:

Rex needs an answer here, so I'll kick off a Wiki-style minute/update 
that others can enhance or correct. This will help keep things moving 
towards 17 July.
I would like to be one of the installers this time around.
What are my qualifications? I am an advanced Windows user with 
intermediate Linux skills, wanting to gain more knowledge and 
experience on Linux.

Most recently I saved a drive that Partition Magic had screwed up on, 
in part due to some linux confusion it was having. I was moving 
partitions around and somehow the extended partition managed to start 
right at the beginning, encompassing the primary partition along with 
everything else. This is a bad thing.

After using a linux boot disc to use fdisk to print out the current 
state of things, I worked out how to manually edit the partition table 
to put in the values that "should" be there for the extended table and 
managed to restore access to my partitions (data, music, pictures)

Aside from that I began some years ago with Redhat, have since learned 
a lot about WinXP (yeah, it's trouble) and last year went on a distro 
exploration, starting with Redhat 9 again, moving on to Mandrake 9.2, 
and after getting it to work mostly according to my needs, became 
despondant about things such as obscure video codecs, printer 
subsystem, sound capabilities and website compatibility (ifilm.com) 
before I fell in disgrace back to WinXP. Still, mark this up as hard 
won experience.

I'll get going on Mandrake 10 next week and see how things have 
improved. Are we yet able to have music playing without interferring 
with system sound events? It would be nice to not have the computer 
make all of its event noises in between songs. I could turn off event 
sounds, but that would defeat the purpose of having background music.

Anyhow, when the installfest comes along, would there be any objection 
to my being there lending a hand? 

Re: Installfest Meeting tonight - minutes

[Jason Greenwood]

How does one go about joining the installfest list again? Been a while 
since I been on it...

Cheers
J
Nick Rout wrote:
Lets take this conversation to the installfest mailing list - saves
confusion.
On Sat, 2004-05-29 at 12:01, InfoHelp wrote:
Sounds like you're just the kind of 'grunt' we need Paul, to keep our 
'guns' in support for troubleshooting the hard stuff! My skills are 
similarly 'developing'. Correct us if wrong, guys..

Rik
Paul Wilkins wrote:

InfoHelp wrote:

Rex needs an answer here, so I'll kick off a Wiki-style minute/update 
that others can enhance or correct. This will help keep things moving 
towards 17 July.
I would like to be one of the installers this time around.
What are my qualifications? I am an advanced Windows user with 
intermediate Linux skills, wanting to gain more knowledge and 
experience on Linux.

Most recently I saved a drive that Partition Magic had screwed up on, 
in part due to some linux confusion it was having. I was moving 
partitions around and somehow the extended partition managed to start 
right at the beginning, encompassing the primary partition along with 
everything else. This is a bad thing.

After using a linux boot disc to use fdisk to print out the current 
state of things, I worked out how to manually edit the partition table 
to put in the values that "should" be there for the extended table and 
managed to restore access to my partitions (data, music, pictures)

Aside from that I began some years ago with Redhat, have since learned 
a lot about WinXP (yeah, it's trouble) and last year went on a distro 
exploration, starting with Redhat 9 again, moving on to Mandrake 9.2, 
and after getting it to work mostly according to my needs, became 
despondant about things such as obscure video codecs, printer 
subsystem, sound capabilities and website compatibility (ifilm.com) 
before I fell in disgrace back to WinXP. Still, mark this up as hard 
won experience.

I'll get going on Mandrake 10 next week and see how things have 
improved. Are we yet able to have music playing without interferring 
with system sound events? It would be nice to not have the computer 
make all of its event noises in between songs. I could turn off event 
sounds, but that would defeat the purpose of having background music.

Anyhow, when the installfest comes along, would there be any objection 
to my being there lending a hand? 

Re: Installfest Meeting tonight

[Jason Greenwood]

I am interested and will gladly help at the Installfest (Mandrake of 
course) but cannot make it tonight, sorry. Please email the list with 
the minutes if poss. and I will do what I can, work is crazy right now. =)

Cheers
Jason
Zane Gilmore wrote:
Just a reminder to anyone who wants to be involved in the installfest.
Our meeting is tonight:
8.00 pm Room 101
Maths and Computer Science Building
Just turn into Science road off Ilam and it's the big modern-looking 
concrete steel and glass thing in front of you.

Here is a map of the building
http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/organisation/building/maps/floor1.html
campus map to find said building :-/
http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/Images/cmap.gif
Here's what it looks like at night with all it's lights on
http://www.cosc.canterbury.ac.nz/open/dept/dept.shtml

Debt of Gratitude

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi Everyone,
I just wanted to say a huge onlist thank you to Paul William. He has 
single handedly helped us set up our office network running the latest 
gear, full wireless, running Linux only. We're still ironing out some 
bugs and will have an online doc about our experiences out soon but I 
just felt it needed to be said. We set out testing some things that no 
one had any Linux experience with - at least that we could find. 
Pressing on undaunted, Paul got it all going in the end, after some 
serious trials and tribulations I might add.

Sure, he got paid for his time but it just goes to show that a strong 
Linux community and good developers are required for businesses to get 
in on the Linux game. And unless you are a big company, you require a 
small, independant developer who can think outside the square and 
creatively find a solution to your needs. Sure, IBM can do this too but 
oh dear, it would cost the earth.

Paul is a young genius who also happens to be a valuable list/CLUG 
member/contributor. That is an asset I'm sure we all can appreciate...

Well done Paul.
Regards,
Jason

Re: digital cameras

[Jason Greenwood]

I will keep doing as I see fit. Kick me if you don't like it. Or 
unsubscribe if the signal noise ratio is not to your liking. OR, filter 
all my posts to , problem solved...

It's a free world (well, kind of), free software and a free list. AND 
MANY here disagree with you, in fact, I think MOST do. So, 
democratically speaking, sit down and be quiet now please...



Cheers

Jason

Matthew Gregan wrote:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 05:07:43PM +1200, Jason Greenwood wrote:


In relation to Post [0], I HOPE everyone can see the relevance of that
one! The reason I had posted it is because there had been discussion
on list prior to this about hardware based MP3 Players that support
.ogg (HELLO, it's an open format!). I had told the list at that time
that if/when we got any, I would let them know  - which is what I
subsequently did.


"The list" doesn't care.  It may have been that particular people on the
list wanted to know about these devices.  Fine.  Contact them off list.
Would these sorts of commercial posts still be acceptable in your eyes
if it was not one, but five, fifty, or five hundred commercial vendors
posting similar advertisements?  How about if each of these vendors
posted commercial stuff every time you/your business did?

Now, if you were new to the list or do not read all posts, then my
'commercial post' may have seemed innapropriate. However, for long
time list members it should/would have been viewed as totally
appropriate.  There can be no hard and fast rules when it comes to
'netiquette' generally - one has to use common sense, which I try to
do. I will continue to post as I feel appropriate and if I get kicked
off the list for it, well, then so be it.


I'm not new to the list.  I read a farily large proportion of posts.
That message, and many (but not all) of your commercial plugs are
inappropriate for a list where most of the subscribers are helping each
other without expecting to financially profit from their fellow posters.
On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 06:04:12PM +1200, Nick Rout wrote:

hear hear, I too recall that the so called commercial spam was a
follow up to an earlier thread (maybe the post should have made that
clearer)


I'm not sure where the term 'spam' came from in this discussion.  The
particular message I referenced may have been a follow up to a previous
thread, but it was clearly commercial, and just one of many[0].  And
consider this: the message was not solicted by every user of the list,
nor even the majority.
[0] http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0403/msg00594.html

-mjg

Re: digital cameras

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi All,

I appreciate the spirited discussion my posts have generated and I 
apologise to anyone offended.

In relation to Post [0], I HOPE everyone can see the relevance of that 
one! The reason I had posted it is because there had been discussion on 
list prior to this about hardware based MP3 Players that support .ogg 
(HELLO, it's an open format!). I had told the list at that time that 
if/when we got any, I would let them know  - which is what I 
subsequently did.

Now, if you were new to the list or do not read all posts, then my 
'commercial post' may have seemed innapropriate. However, for long time 
list members it should/would have been viewed as totally appropriate. 
There can be no hard and fast rules when it comes to 'netiquette' 
generally - one has to use common sense, which I try to do. I will 
continue to post as I feel appropriate and if I get kicked off the list 
for it, well, then so be it.

My .0002c worth.

Regards,

Jason

Matthew Gregan wrote:
On Sun, Apr 18, 2004 at 12:00:05AM +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote:

There is a great deal of difference between Jason, or anybody else for that 
matter, answering questions and _AT THE SAME TIME ONLY_ offering a relevent 
commercial solution to an on topic question being asked, and unsolicited 
spamming of the list with highly commercial messages offering totally 
unrelated products or services.


When you say "unsolicited spamming of the list with highly commercial
messages offering totally unrelated products and services", are you
referring to messages like this[0]?
I'm curious.  In your view, would it also be valid for a Linux/Free
Software consultant (working as a sole trader, if you like) to respond
on-list to people looking for help with Linux/Free Software problems
with advertisements for their commercial support services?

The former is acceptable, while the latter is not.
 
Offering a commercial solution is acceptable.  However, on a list where
many people are providing free support to fellow Linux/Free Software
users without asking or expecting anything more than a 'thank you' in
return, those who offer a commercial solution and, at the same time,
advertising that they can provide this particular commercial solution
is, at best, acting without good taste.  It is made even worse by acting
in this manner and then neglecting to suggest viable free solutions to a
problem when they exist.

[0] http://lists.ethernal.org/cantlug-0403/msg00803.html

-mjg

Re: digital cameras

[Jason Greenwood]

Or your money back! ® =)

Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
And, unlike heaps of other salespeople, if Jason says it works you can
guarantee that it will.
Regards, Robert
Some days you are the pigeon, some days you are the statue.
 -Original Message-
From: 	Brad Beveridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent:	Friday, 16 April 2004 1:00 p.m.
To:	[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:	RE: digital cameras

IMHO, if the post is on topic, especially if it is a valid solution to
the problem then I'm all for self promotion.
If Jason had made those posts and said "sold at Dick Smith" there would
have been no problem, right?  Otherwise the next post to the list would
have invariably been - does anybody know who stocks XYZwidget?
Brad


-Original Message-
From: Dale Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 12:53 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: digital cameras

Im sure theres a heap of others on the list that can offer 
the same(or other
related) services , I thought this was a support/topical list 
not a place to
promote ones business 

Cheers
Dale.
- Original Message - 
From: "Nick Rout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: digital cameras



IMHO Jason should be allowed some leniency. He always lets 
us know its a

free plug. His service is good, and its right on topic. He knows his
stuff about cameras/usb storage/media cards etc. When people want to
know about a product and compatibility I would want him to 
speak out. I

acknowledge that you do have to draw the line, but I don't 
think Jason

necessarily crosses that line. There have been far worse 
posts to this

list in recent times :-(

And he's a client of mine as well as a friend so I want to 
see him do

well, even if he is distro-dysfunctional :-)

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 12:30:00 +1200
Matthew Gregan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Fri, Apr 16, 2004 at 12:06:16PM +1200, Jason Greenwood wrote:


Please do.

-mjg
--
Matthew Gregan
--
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: digital cameras

[Jason Greenwood]

No worries. =)

Dave G wrote:

Jason

you read my mind, 

In fact I've already got one of your very nice 7-in-1 card-readers and it has  
worked well for me on especially on MDK 9.1

I posted this question out of curiosity really 

cheersdave g

Mail to: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

Re: digital cameras

[Jason Greenwood]

No, sorry, they do not. However our Lexar 8 in 1 does, though it is more 
expensive. The reason for this is that xD licensing costs are 
horrendous. The other option is to buy the 7 in 1 plus one of our xD 
adapters... =) Or even better, one of our XDrive Pro's (Mass Stirage 
Device) that supports it natively and works on Linux! Ok 

Cheers

Jason

Jamie Dobbs wrote:
No t that this will help - but stop futzing with Cams on Linux! It's a
PITA. Get a card reader (we have a 7 in 1 for $38 that is Linux
Compatible) and never worry about it again...so much better than bloody
GTKam or whatever...
My .0002c worth...


Do they support xD cards? Thats the only reason I need to use my camera
and its cradle - none of the readers I have found will support xD (SD yes,
but not xD)

Re: digital cameras

[Jason Greenwood]

No t that this will help - but stop futzing with Cams on Linux! It's a 
PITA. Get a card reader (we have a 7 in 1 for $38 that is Linux 
Compatible) and never worry about it again...so much better than bloody 
GTKam or whatever...

My .0002c worth...

Cheers

Jason

Dave wrote:
Hi all

I'm having trouble getting KDE3.2 to recognise my digital camera  (usb) as a 
non- root user mounts fine as root, using Digikam but not non- root

had a bit of a read of the man pages and checked that I'm in the USB group etc

can't figure out how to change this, I've had it working previously but it 
appears that probably an apt-get update has changed my settings etc???

Re: Linux for a friend

[Jason Greenwood]

RedCarpet??

Nick Rout wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 15:21, Christopher Sawtell wrote:

I expect that RedHat has something similar,
but I do not know what it's called.


In reality there is no more redhat for mere mortals. It is now fedora, and I 
believe that they use apt-get on top of rpm.

The redhat system (the name of which I forget) that they used before the 
fedora shift was more suitable for a subscription system. 

Re: Why I left my password blank... RE: su not working

[Jason Greenwood]

Boot Access = Root Access
Full Stop.
Nick Rout wrote:
On Thu, 15 Apr 2004 11:49:58 +1200
Dale Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

if someone has physical access to ya box a simple live cd gives anyone
access to your data regardless or how great your password is  if you
want to get paraniod


yes and the ability to chroot into your system and change your password,
or better still set up another user with uid=0
physical access to the machine will give you almost anything unless you
encrypt your hard drive. Frankly I can't see anyone wanting to break
into Don's house to steal his data.

Re: NZ Mirror for Best Web browser for Windows

[Jason Greenwood]

The best site I have found for random downloads (apart from URPMI and 
the MDK mirrors of course) is:

http://rpm.pbone.net/

Cheers

Jason

Nick Rout wrote:
I thought i'd try this out, and chose postfix as a trial. the process is
dreadful, and the results are worse.
1. click on the link david posted. (http://tucows.inspire.net.nz)

2. in the search box at the top enter "postfix" and choose "linux" in
the drop down box, click 'go'
3. get diverted to the tucows.com site, and postfix is the top 1 of two
packages shown. 

4. click on postfix and get a page to choose where to download from (doh,
don't they realise my IP is in a nz netblock and that i clicked through
from their only nz mirror?)
5. finally get to a download page and find a shiny postfix-1.1.1 there
waiting. trouble is the latest stable is 2.0.19 !! 1.1.1 seems to date
from around 2002. I am sure that there have been security fixes since
then, and certainly improvements in the 2.0 series.
hmmm try again. kde is shown as version 3.1.2, whereas the release
version is 3.2.1. Also, click on the download link and you go to kde.org,
and a page telling you that you are in NZ but that there is no nz mirror
for kde. What? I thought that tucows.inspire.net.nz were supposed to be
a mirror???
so i conclude that tucows is hopeless, and go back to freshmeat :-) I
used to download a lot of windows shareware/freeware/trialware from
tucows before i discovered linux, and its not a bad service. But I could
not recommend it for linux users. 

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 09:14:10 +1200
David Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'd like to be able to go a page where I put in the type of 
machine and OS
I'm using then get a complete list... I guess that's what 
download.com is
for but that's not a local mirror is it?
Tucows does all that.  They have a local mirror at
http://tucows.inspire.net.nz
Later

David Kirk

Re: OT - Do Not Use Frames in Web Design - was Re: Semi Linux related question...

[Jason Greenwood]

That is correct but tables are not nearly as bad as Frames...from an 
online advertising/optimisation perspective. CSS is the best way to 
design a site, for sure...

Flash is about the only thing worse than frames. If you don't want your 
site to EVER be found on the net, build it in Flash only.

Cheers

Jason

[snip]

I thought that not using tables was the current fad, putting the
design into the style sheets, and the content into the html.
Not too sure about that one, but it does make for easier maintenance,
and smaller files!
Having just come from a totally Flash site I was pointed to... need I
say more?
Steve

OT - Do Not Use Frames in Web Design - was Re: Semi Linux related question...

[Jason Greenwood]

Sorry, this is OT but I HOPE you are not using frames...they are one of 
the 'banes' of Web Design for MANY reasons, not the least of which is 
web advertising. I specialise in Web Advertising so trust me, I know 
what I am talking about...

Also, check out this page:
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/9612.html
for more (outdated but still true today)
If you want your website to be found and indexed properly on the web - 
DO NOT USE FRAMES. Besdies, anything you can do with frames can be done 
with templates anyway...

My .0002c worth...

Cheers

Jason

Chris Wilkinson wrote:
Hi there,

I'm writing a commercial website for my brother in-law. It needs some
JavaScript help to complete the navigation frame...the Linux link?
I'm developing it in Mandrake Linux using Gimp/KWrite/other OSS... :-)
Anyway, I have lovely image buttons for the nav frame, and image swap
routines are well within my JavaScript ability, but I'm stuck trying to
figure how to 'deactivate' the link for the currently loaded content,
and display a 3rd button image to show that link is already loaded in
the content frame...
I thought of using 'document.getElementById("name").innerHTML' to try
and replace the HTML inside the  tag with the link code,
but that doesn't seem to work when the page that function runs from is
not the one that contains the  tag...
Anyone in the CLUG have any JavaScript knowledge that may avail me of
a solution? Sorry if its slightly off topic, but OSS will receive some
airtime in my 'about this site' link! :-)

Re: Transition Management - was RE: NZ Mirror for Best Web browser for Windows

[Jason Greenwood]

RTFLMAO Good spotting...

I'm assuming he meant...on our cellphones

Jim Cheetham wrote:
On Apr 13, 2004, at 5:29 PM, Don Gould wrote:

"Who do we ring if our telephones don't work?" is the line I would hear
every day.
No-one. Your phones don't work.

Re: Transition Management - was RE: NZ Mirror for Best Web browser for Windows

[Jason Greenwood]

Here are my current OSS weapons of choice (for the record):

Distro: Mandrake Cooker (with a stable 10.0 parition for when Cooker 
borks my system)

Mail: Mozilla
Browsing: Mozilla
FTP Client: gFTP
CD Burning: K3B (easy as falling off a log) or Eroaster
CD Ripping: RipperX
Calendaring: KOrganizer
IM'ing: GAIM
File Manager: XWC/Konqueror
Terminal: Konsole
Word Processor: Abiword/Open Office Writer
Spreadsheet: Gnumeric/Open Office Calc
MP3 Player: Juk/XMMS
Filesharing: giFT Daemon with the Apollon GUI Frontend (I think it is 
better looking than Kazaa, just got it going last night after a bit of 
effort...) and it works with Fasttrack (Kazaa Protocol), Gnutella, etc. 
etc...it is plugin based, like GAIM is for IM. And please spare me the 
Copyright protectionists drivel...
Image Editing: Gimp2 (it rocks!)
Network Monitoring (shows my Net Traffic Levels): KnetLoad or Gkrellm
System usage monitor: KCPULoad or Gkrellm
Automounter: KwikDisk
Video Player: Aviplayer for AVI's, Kaffeine for everything else

and that just about covers my daily use stuff for now... =)

Regards,

Jason

Don Gould wrote:
From: Nick Rout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
this is the canterbury LINUX users group


(Nick, you'll find your apology on the second to last line)



...for your consideration - sorry if this post is to long for your average
short attention list reader :)
THE TRANSITION MANAGEMENT GAME by Donald J Gould

SCENE ONE - Setting the Stage

Customer: Do we need to get a new computer and upgrade to Windows XP?

Don: Why do you ask?

Customer: My existing computer isn't working properly anymore after
installed all those updates on it from Microsoft.
Don: Have you considered using Firebird?

Customer: Fire what?

Don: It's a different web browser recommended by some guys from CLUG.

Customer: Who?

Don: Bunch of guys from around Christchurch who all help each other out with
software.
Customer: Oh.  Do we still need a new computer?

Don: I would suggest giving Firebird a go first and see if it improves
things.
Customer: Ok, what does it cost?

Don: Nothing, just my time to install it.

Customer: Ok, that sounds good.  Why don't I just install it my self?

Don: You can if you want, here's the URL to download it from.

Customer: Thanks.



SCENE TWO - Coffee With Customer

Customer: That new web browser you recommended is really good.  It's made me
realise just how slow my email is.  You got any more free software?
Don:  Yes, just install the email client that Nick Rout from Clug
recommended last month.
(Note from script writer - sorry, was to lazy to look up what Nick's
recommendation was, if you really want to know then check out the clug
archive!)
Customer: Ok I'll give that a go.  Can I set that one up myself as well?

Don: Yes, you can give it a go.  It's a bit more complex than a web browser
but you can just give me a call if you get stuck.
Customer: Ok thanks... I guess I owe you the next coffee

(Note from scrip writer - the script writer is easy to bribe with good
coffee)


SCENE THREE - Customers Office To Talk About Machine Upgrade

Customer: My mail is fixed now thanks to that software that Nick recommended
but Word and Excel still run like a dog.  Do you think we should upgrade out
machines?
Don: have you considered using Linux?

Customer: No, what's the benefit?

Don: Lots

Customer: I don't want to have to learn a heap of new applications!

Don: You don't, you've already been using two of the most common ones.  If
we upgrade you to Open Office from MS Word and MS Excel you should also see
some system performance increase.  But if we were to change you over to
Linux from Windows then you should see quite a bit more.
Customer: Really?

Don: You've already seen the difference that using the other applications
had. You've already done the hard bit - you made a choice to change.
Customer: Ok that makes a lot of sense.  How much does Linux cost and can I
install that my self?
Don: It's also free and yes you can install that your self but I wouldn't
recommend you do.
Customer: Ok, what would you recommend then?

Don: I can see you're keen to buy a new machine.  I would suggest that we
install Linux on it and your other new applications and you give it a test
drive.  I can also install Windows so you can compare the difference and
chop and change between each as you like.  I think you'll find that Linux is
the better choice but you're best to make up your own mind.
Customer:  . (Dear Reader, you can make up your own mind about how you
think the customer would respond) 
+=+=+ THE END +=+=+

Dear Nick (and the others who were thinking the same thing! :),

Yes you are quite right.  This is a LINUX list and I am a power WINDOWS
user, programmer and system integrator.
I CAN make money from WINDOWS (I've made lots in the past).

10 years ago the mission was to persuade people to use MICROSOFT products
rather than WordPerfect and Novell.
"But NO ONE uses this NT thing you're recommending" is a line I would hear
every da

Re: Gentoo Again... --> Mandrake?

[Jason Greenwood]

I've stayed well away from this but I just have to say - as always - I 
am a Mandrake man myself and probably always will be for one reason or 
another.

I try other distro's periodically but I always seem to come back to 
'Drake. Sure the QA (or lack thereof) pisses me off sometimes but all in 
all, they do a darned good job and definitely stay true to both OSS AND 
the Desktop user, something that is rare in the distro game these days. 
And I know Chris rails on RPM hell but that has dissapeared for me with 
URPMI and I simply don't have a box with enough grunt to compile all the 
bloody time.

My .0002c worth...

Cheers

Jason

Robert Fisher wrote:
I did my first Gentoo installation with help from Nick. My second installation 
was done almost completely by myself.

The point is: If I can do it, anyone with a couple of years Linux experience 
should be able to do it. The documentation is very good IMHO and covers 
everything with good explanations.

Rob

On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 13:11, Don Gould wrote:

I thought I'd have a read of the web site and sort things out for my
self...
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1

The link above only lead me to a list of topic headings.

Maybe I should be looking at Mandrake?  That also seems to be popular
around here.
Would that be a better choice?

Guys all I'm really looking for is a good GPL linux distro that a bunch of
locals are using so I can give and get good assistance.
I'd use RH but it seems to be heading down the commerical lines...

Debian support on the local mirrors doesn't seem that good and frankly it
doesn't seem to be upto the level of some of the others for the desktop
enviornment.
Excuse me if I'm starting to become frustrated here :)

Cheers Don

Re: DATE MOVED gentoo installfest.

[Jason Greenwood]

Sweet. Glad someone found it useful! =)

InfoHelp wrote:
Thanks Jason,

It is!

Cheers

Rik

Jason Greenwood wrote:

GENTOO Linux: Your Friendly Quick Installation Guide
OS News - USA
Summary: Doug Swain takes a look at the Gentoo Linux installation and 
offers
a quicker guide than the available online documentation of the distro.

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6589

May be helpful for you guys???

Cheers

Jason

Nick Rout wrote:

OK a further executive decsion - we will move this to 15 May. 

Re: DATE MOVED gentoo installfest.

[Jason Greenwood]

GENTOO Linux: Your Friendly Quick Installation Guide
OS News - USA
Summary: Doug Swain takes a look at the Gentoo Linux installation and offers
a quicker guide than the available online documentation of the distro.
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6589

May be helpful for you guys???

Cheers

Jason

Nick Rout wrote:
OK a further executive decsion - we will move this to 15 May. This is 
primarily for the following reasons:

Imminent release of the next gentoo release around the time of our original 
date of 1 May. 

2 people not able to make it on the 1st (Yuri de Groot and Chris Darby)

So, 15 May 9.00 am for those bringing machines for the compile farm
9.30 am for those who want to install on their own machine.
110 Queenspark Drive.

Further instructions on what you need to bring in a later post.

Re: giving up on email

[Jason Greenwood]

Bwahhahhahh! LOL and all the rest..nice try Martin - Happy April Fool's!

Martin Bähr wrote:
hi,

spam is overwhelming,
my spamfilter is not keeping up (only catches 50% or less) 
the rest of my inbox still gets more spam than interresting mails.

besides, written communication is so unpersonal anyways.

therefore i have decided to stop using email, irc and any other form of written
communication.
the future is in using our voice.

in the sTeam project (www.open-steam.org) we already found that switching to
chat while working in a group on a document is cubersome and started to
implement audio chat.
i will follow suit now with my personal communication as well:

what this means for you:
if you want to reach me, you need to call me on my new phone.
my phone address can be found in any respectable phone directory.
alternatively you may try to contact me using tools like gnomemeeting, or send
me voicemail. that is you may send me email with an audio file attached
(preferably in ogg format) (for this reason my email address will continue to
function, only that now everything that does not consist of an audio (or video) 
attachment will be classified as spam.
replies to such mails will likewise be as audio attachments.

this is my last typed message. (an audio version of this message will be
provided on request (don't wan't to spam the list with it))
greetings, martin.

Re: NZ mirror for Mandrake 10

[Jason Greenwood]

Really? Where? I haven't found one.

Cheers

Jason

Philip Charles wrote:
On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:


As far as I remember, the Community Edition is available via bittorrent to
the Mandrake Community (those who have paid for membership)
MD10 final will be available to the general public in May I think.


MDK10 Community has been publicly released.  It is available at European
and North American sites.
Phil.

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   +64 3 488 2818Fax +64 3 488 2875Mobile 025 267 9420
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Re: Moving a large amount of data

[Jason Greenwood]

Burpmi?

Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
 (why do i get reminded of indigestion every time i think of urpmi???)

Bless you!!

Re: OGG MP3 Player Available Now

[Jason Greenwood]

BTW, if any CLUGGERS want one, then contact me offlist and I will do you 
a special deal on it.

The factory specs page is here:
http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iHP-120
Cheers

Jason

Jason Greenwood wrote:
Hi All,

Just wanted everyone to know that we (www.flashcards.co.nz) just landed 
a shipment of the iRiver MP3 Players that support OGG out of the box. We 
currently have the 20GB version in stock and online for $698.00.

A bit steep but this unit is pretty sweet and looks the part to boot.

Cheers

Jason
PS, I think we are one of the only retailers of these in NZ at present...

OGG MP3 Player Available Now

[Jason Greenwood]

Hi All,

Just wanted everyone to know that we (www.flashcards.co.nz) just landed 
a shipment of the iRiver MP3 Players that support OGG out of the box. We 
currently have the 20GB version in stock and online for $698.00.

A bit steep but this unit is pretty sweet and looks the part to boot.

Cheers

Jason
PS, I think we are one of the only retailers of these in NZ at present...