Re: The free sticker book...

[Richard Tindall]

Good one Don,

Don Gould wrote:

http://raro.oreto.inf-cr.uclm.es/apps/stickers/

Can't take ownership of finding this, but it's so kewl that I thought 
the list might like it.


Cheers Don


If you print off a small stock, you may get something for them on SFD. 
Or we could buy a book off you, for extra giveaways.


..Says he who's practically given up on maintaining a printer.

Cheers, Rik

Re: CLUG Funds and SFD donation (was something else)

[Richard Tindall]

Great support, thanks Nick!

Nick Rout wrote:

With Zane's pledge we have $90.00, doubled to $180.00

Come on everyone - we need to double that to get to the initial target of
$175 (doubled to $350.00). Don't forget the more you donate the more
advertising we do for Software Freedom Day. This our chance for a big
promotion to the community!

Record your pledge here. http://clug.net.nz/index.php/PledgeDrive (click
edit and follow the format of the previous lines in the table to add
yours. If you can't suss it then email me and i can do the editing).

Rik can you contact the pledgers by private email with your bank account
number or other suggested method of payment?


Yep. Once we're 'ready to commit'. Usually I pay for the ads by credit 
card, so collecting pledged cash on SFD is ok as the bill arrives later.


Everything goes through the books, should anyone want to audit or trace.


Will report back on the promotional work.


Cheers, Rik

Re: CLUG Funds and SFD donation (was something else)

[Richard Tindall]

Good one Zane.

Zane Gilmore wrote:

Count me in for $25 too.

I do think that we should support adverts for the SFD in the Press.


Glad to see that someone else was proud to see FOSS in major print. Am 
considering a switch to / mix with The Star, nonetheless - a wider audience?


[Thanks for those suggestions of ad avenues today Paul & Chevy.]

But not in some random place but rather in the technology pages as that 
is where our demographic is likely to be reading.


Yes, 1st option, dang near bought. This has got a reporter along and a 
small write-up the following week, in the past.


Just putting an advert in some random place in the paper eg in the 
fashion section or the sports section is going to be a monumental waste 
of money.


'Run-of-paper' is better than that - if not A then B section, near to 
front as possible. I think we got an A3? - Not even C-J.



my 2c (or $25  (-: )
Zane


Thanks!


Nick Rout wrote:

Don Gould wrote:

David Kirk wrote:

...there must be better uses
for this money than donating it to the Press.


I agree.

Some posters put up around the place and flyers would have just as 
much impact.  ~$20 can go a long way.


Who is the target market?


Everyone (using PCs).

There must be better ways we can get to the limited number of people 
that come to these things.


Well, the big paper ads mean approx 90-120,000 copies go out in one day. 
Hard to beat.


But we've polled visitors. The range of advertising means all draw in 
some each, adding up to bigger totals. Hardly cost efficient, but some 
SFDers have made their way thru to CLUG (= some benefit already).



10c


= 1 x A4 photocopy.


Cheers Don

How about a pledge system? Rik needs $300-400 - say $350.00 (don't 
forget he is feeding in other money too).


How about we aim to contribute up to half of the $350.00 from CLUG 
funds and half from pledges, dollar for dollar. So if we get $175 in 
pledges CLUG contributes $175, and the target is met. If we get $200 
in pledges CLUG contributes $150 to make up to the target. If we only 
get $100 in pledges CLUG  only contributes the same, ie $100.


I'll start by pledging $25.00, and I 'll fix up a page on the wiki for 
pledges to be recorded, once a couple of other people have supported 
the idea.


_

This has been cleaned & processed by www.rocketspam.co.nz
_


Does that mean we can load spam onto one of Mark's rockets and fire it 
off into space? ;-)


Cheers, Rik

Re: Future of Monthly Meetings?

[Richard Tindall]

Steve Holdoway wrote:

At least it got more response than what I consider a far more valid and, I had 
hoped, thought provoking suggestion...



Just tacking on to the end of the thread

How about something like the LoCo concept? If the UK only needs one team, then 
maybe we should look to expand from C to SI?

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto


Was going to reply to that one (& hopefully make it past procmail ;)

An Ubuntu LoCo seems quite possibly the most promising scheme so far for 
a local *nix workgroup built around common tool- and skill-sets.


Except few have yet functioned, as far as I can tell. This I would put 
down to an unrealistic appraisal of geography - or territoriality, more 
specifically - a curiously male trait? That is, an 'NZ LoCo' was eagerly 
 registered early on by some guy/s in Hawkes Bay, but who has heard of 
it/them since? Vision and means may undo any such grand plan. Imagine 
how difficult 'one UK team' would be to achieve!?! Thus, even your 
suggestion of a South Island LoCo is problematic, I feel, simply because 
Dunedinites are unlikely to agree to anything led by Christchurch, in my 
humble experience (inviting kind correction :) Or is there a LoCo cell 
there already?..


So the only practical step I can see towards an Ubuntu LoCo, is to just 
try and put one together locally - here in and for Canterbury - a trial 
LoCo branch? Who knows, maybe it would merge with other successful local 
groups in future, once we've all worked out means as to how local 
branches can actually function. (Think small, easy steps / KISS.)


Certainly, Software Freedom Day innovation has brought together all the 
key elements for a LoCo (network) to take shape. Unjoined dots. - ldots 
... (cue MJ). Which means there's just the one answer for the coming 
month: SFD! Hoping to see you there. Sponsorship from the firm is warmly 
invited!!


hth & cheers,
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Re: Speaking of donations (domain names registered)

[Richard Tindall]

Robert Fisher wrote:

On Thursday 16 August 2007 9:32 pm, Nick Rout wrote:

Thanks to a kind donation by West Finance Limited our domain names have
been renewed for another year.

3 cheers to that man (cost was approx $90.00).


Well done!!


Hip, hooray!!

Re: ===>>> Meeting Tomorrow - 14 August 2007 <<<===

[Richard Tindall]

A point to consider is whether CLUG wants to turn its support for
Software Freedom Day into a Press advertising contribution.

$300-$400 would be half of two or three ads in the (Saturday,) Tuesday 
and Saturday Press, before/on SFD, and I will find the remainder.


The terms 'Installfest' and 'Canterbury Linux Users Group' can feature 
prominently in the ads, as people would like.


A prompt decision on this is required, for these adverts to go ahead, 
given the pending deadline. I have consulted with Zane in formulating 
this proposal.


My apologies (& Zane's) for tonight's meeting start, although I hope to 
get there later on. If someone would like to print this out & take it 
along to read out, that would be most helpful.


As an indication of event support thus far, we have 13 SFD T-shirts on 
order, plus plenty of free CDs to give away.


'Have Fun!'

Kind regards,

Rik Tindall pp http://www.softwarefreedomday.org Team Christchurch

FreeNix tuition 7 Dec

[Richard Tindall]

Hi all,

The GNU/Linux Users have their final workshop for 2005 next Wednesday night:

7.30pm December 7th, Sydenham Community Association Hall, 25 Hutcheson 
Street, Christchurch. A map appears here: 
http://clug.net.nz/index.php/MeetingSchedule


Bring a computer and/or questions, and we'll do our best to resolve the 
issues. The base platform we use is
Ubuntu, which mostly configures like any other GNU/Linux. These sessions 
are tailored to meet new user requirements, so you can present or ask 
anything you like.


We also have FreeBSD capacity, for those that want to share its use. All 
welcome.


Install & live CDs available upon request. Tea/coffee/bics are provided, 
and we ask a donation to cover costs.


Happy holidays,

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Re: OT google thinks I am in .uk

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


google seems to think I am  in the UK.

- it offers to search "The Web" or "Pages from the UK"

- I am on a paradise adsl connection, 


- whois is pretty clear about where my IP address is based.

why does google think I am in the UK?
 



I don't know, but I found Google Local really useful yesterday for 
tracing ancestral path back to North Kensington.


- Are you related to Ettie?

(OT)

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Re: modem connection

[Richard Tindall]

Matthew Whiting wrote:

Wondering what would be the recommended way of controlling a dial-up 
connection with Ubuntu or similar? My modem works nicely but only when 
I can connect :-) Under 'Network Settings' if I set the Modem 
Connection to activated and select 'Set modem as default route to 
internet' it dials up when I start up my machine. Thats cool providing 
I want to connect to the net straight off. If I deselect the default 
route option I have a hard job consistently controlling the connection 
by activating/deactivating the Modem Connection.


Would there be a better way to connect? I try using kppp but after 
clicking connect it doesn't really seem to do much. How could I better 
monitor what is actually going on behind the scenes?



Use Synaptic search to install package gnome-ppp. Easy to configure. Let 
us know if there's any problem. You might have to add a new repository.


- Avoid 'Network Settings' except to monitor on/off thereafter, though 
it's good for NICs & Wifi. I "Add to Panel" (right click on the one at 
screen top) the Network Monitor & System Monitor, to better keep an eye 
on connection traffic.


hth,

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Re: modem

[Richard Tindall]

Matthew Whiting wrote:


So, any external modem would be sweet then?
 


Yes. Go see Kevin, the Computer Broker (manager), Washington Way. Tell him we 
sent you, and you'll get a discount. (c$50-80 shelf price, last time I shopped. 
Stock can vary.)

Cheers, Rik

Re: BBC tv programme on open source

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


the file is 38M and it is at home, I could cut a cd when i get home
about 5.00 pm if someone wants to pick it up before the meeting.

Save the plastic. I'll collect it on USB stick, after 5, if there's a 
mover & a seconder that we should convene thus this evening..
   


OK with me. Actually make it after 5.30, my cell phone is 027 220 3169 - Miles 
has piano lesson 4.30-5.15 in Opawa.


Sorry I didn't make it over yesterday Nick. Chris had content organised.

If you've got space on your laptop for the 38M, I'll get a copy via USB 
next time I see you please. Or drop by your work specifically.


- Will be having a look at FreeBSD 6.0 asap too, if you'd like copies 
delivered.


Cheers, Rik

Re: modem

[Richard Tindall]

Matthew Whiting wrote:


I'm going to take my machine back home where I only have dialup
internet. Don't know if I can be bothered spending any more time trying
to get the Lucent Agere Winmodem working. Anyone have a modem lying
around they don't want that would likely be easier to get working with
Ubuntu? or alternatively maybe there's someone out there that would
enjoy getting my modem working in exchange for some beers or ... ?
 


Here's the instructions, for whoever wants the job:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WinModemLucent

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Re: modem

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


Those lucent modems are usually pretty easy to get going. What have you
tried?
 


Yes, Suse & FreeBSD have built-in drivers for it, and no doubt several other 
distros. For all the hassle of tackling it as is (there's no ready package for 
Ubuntu, which means research time etc.), your simplest option is to get an 
external. Always works, savings at upgrade time.

hth, rik

Re: BBC tv programme on open source

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/07/0056245&from=rss

If anyone wants a copy let me know. It is in realplayer format, but
that works fine under linux, realplayer or mplayer or xine all play it.
 


Would people like it screened tonight?
   



Can't this evening, my wife is away so theres just Miles & I at home.
 

We wish your wife a speedy recovery Nick. (Surgery, iirc) And not for 
our sake.



the file is 38M and it is at home, I could cut a cd when i get home
about 5.00 pm if someone wants to pick it up before the meeting.

Save the plastic. I'll collect it on USB stick, after 5, if there's a 
mover & a seconder that we should convene thus this evening. Or do 
people prefer a break?


If Andrew Turner is attending, we can do some live work on a FreeBSD 
install, for supplementary content.


Any interest?

Cheers,

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Re: BBC tv programme on open source

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/07/0056245&from=rss

If anyone wants a copy let me know. It is in realplayer format, but
that works fine under linux, realplayer or mplayer or xine all play it.
Or I guess I could convert it to mpeg-2 or something else.
 


Yes please, and/or would people like it screened tonight?



-- Rik

Re: Java/Javascript [was Re: test .mpg / NZCS Win-OSS]

[Richard Tindall]

Hadley Rich wrote:


No it wasn't. The last speaker didn't mention it at all (mostly
javascript),
 


So there's a difference?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX
   



?

Between Java and Javascript? Yes.

hads


Where I went wrong was believing Philip Lindsay's AJAX slide had read

"Asynchronous Java and XML" (and I still believe that)

- before knowing that this would mean something different.

But thanks for the iteration,

Rik

Re: test .mpg / NZCS Win-OSS

[Richard Tindall]

Carl Cerecke wrote:


Overall, the meeting was _very_ strong on Java.
   



No it wasn't. The last speaker didn't mention it at all (mostly
javascript), 


So there's a difference?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AJAX


Volker was there. He took notes. He could give a more accurate summary.
 


Further comment withheld, but available upon request.

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Re: BUMP [OT] Friday Social

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


Just a reminder.

On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 15:56:11 +1300
Jim Cheetham wrote:
 


I declare this Friday (28th) to be a CLUG Social Meeting ...

By virtue of the fact that I'm leaving Christchurch to work in Wellington  
as of Monday!

All welcome ... the more the merrier ...

So, 5pm onwards at the Twisted Hop.
http://www.thetwistedhop.co.nz/mainpages/thelocation.html
   

Three cheers for Jim & all he has done for CLUG - wiki, talks, 
perspective, etc.

Thankyou very much Jim.

I will try to make it along. My apologies if i don't (other commitments).

Cheers,

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Re: test .mpg / NZCS Win-OSS

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


Another plug I know, but I can also say that i've only been able to "get most 
media to
play" since I used gentoo.


A noteworthy corollary from last night's NZCS meeting:

The hyper-informed Chris Noel (tho unknown to CLUG; I have yet to master 
an umlaut e in Lnx, sorry), spoke on Mono - as an example project 
community functioning with Trac client/project management. Chris's quick 
& content-rich presentation broached the Win/OSS divide, identifying 
compatibility obstacles at the code language level - mainly C#. 
Obviously an expert, Chris's main success at getting the complex and 
rapidly developing OSS .Net alternative to work, was based upon Gentoo.


Overall, the meeting was _very_ strong on Java. An impression I have 
come away with is that the Win-OSS segment (which most often selects 
licensing that allows for closed-source sales), is probably the dominant 
segment in the FOSS world. If true, that explains a lot about 
experiences around Linux.


Thanks again Nick,

--
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Re: Fw: Don't Forget: NZCS Canterbury Presents: Open Source Development Tools and Trends - 27 Oct 2005

[Richard Tindall]

Thanks for this Volker.

A reminder shared:

Volker Kuhlmann wrote:


   NZCS Canterbury Presents: Open Source Development Tools and Trends

   Date: 


   27 October 2005, 5:30 PM - 7:00 PM

   Venue: 

   Canterbury Innovation Incubator, , Armagh Street, , Christchurch (between 
Manchester & Madras Streets - opposite Centennial Pool)


   Details: 


   NZCS:   Canterbury branch presents:

Open Source Development Tools and Trends

Open source and open standards software development languages and tools 
are quickly growing in popularity and adoption in the corporate world. 
In this session four speakers will discuss new developments and trends 
in this fast moving area. They will cover open source Java platforms (such 
as Tomcat, Ant, and Struts), Zope & Python, AJAX & Google hacking, Trac 
(an open source project management tool), and Mono (.Net on Linux).


The speakers are

Paul Roe, The Virtual.Paul's company specialises in custom web application 
development using Python, on the Zope and Plone platform. 

David Pugh, Bootstrap IT. David has spent the last 25 years working in 
the IT sector. Bootstrap develops software solutions that run in highly 
networked, multi-platform computing environments. They utilise and promote 
platform-neutral and open-source technologies where appropriate. 

Chris Noel, Encode. Chris co-runs Encode Ltd, a Christchurch based development 
house and consultancy focusing on the use of Open Source tools to provide 
high quality web based solutions. Encode has a strong background in PHP 
and W3C solutions. In recent times Encode has begun exploring the use 
of Mono as a means of providing portable desktop applications to aid the 
management of content presented through its web solutions.


Philip Lindsay. Philip is an New Zealand-based independent software developer 
who developed the Python binding for Gmail. Described by Tim O'Reilly 
as a "troublemaker" and "one of the key guys who decrypted the arcane 
structure of the Google Maps interface" he now works to make the  


http://www.openlayers.org  interface as un-arcane as possible.

This event is a part of the Novell sponsored Emerging Trends series.  
Refreshments will be provided following conclusion of the presentation.


Registration Details:

Everyone Welcome.  Please use the links below to register.

Please note:  Cancellations will not be accepted within 48 hours of an 
event


Would you like to pay by invoice?

Please note:  a 10% administration fee applies on all invoices issued.

If you require an invoice, please send an email to  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Chch Branch Event - BC510 - I want to pay by invoice  and we will arrange 
it and send it out to you.In your email please include:- Name, profile 
ID (if available), email address and company name of attendees- Name, 
email address and postal address of whom to send the invoice to


If you have any queries on this or registering using our online credit 
card facility, please do not hesitate to call National Office on 0800 
252 255.  We are happy to help.  


   Price:

 Member

 Free   


 Staff of Corporate Partner

 Free   


 Student Member

 Free   


 Non Member

 $5.00 incl GST   

http://www.nzcs.org.nz/tools/events/registration/register.asp?SECT=canterbury&ID=1000 
http://www.nzcs.org.nz/tools/events/multi/step1.asp?SECT=canterbury&ID=1000 

Last time unbooked entry wasn't a problem, and it was an interesting - 
tho abbreviated - event.


See you there. Cheers,

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Re: test / FreeBSD .mpg

[Richard Tindall]

You were right Nick.

Nick Rout wrote:


It's not my DVD unfortunately. However the file REV_OS_trailer.mpg (18M) is 
downloadable from here:

http://www.revolution-os.com/musicvideo.html

I assume it is the same one.


Cool, huh :-)


mplayer plays it fine. totem plays it fine, using xine I assume. I haven't ever 
had much luck with gstreamer, never needed it.
 

This is an exercise to see how useable gstreamer (Ubuntu & FreeBSD 
default) can be made to be.


The file is a very basic mpeg-1 stream. If a given media player cannot play it, it doesn't deserve that description. I see that gstreamer has many plugins, that all seem to be packaged separately. Maybe there is a gst plugin that you need? I see one in my packaging system called gst-plugins-ffmpeg and another called gst-plugins-mpeg2dec. The latter is described as "Libmpeg2 based decoder plug-in for gstreamer". 


mplayer tells me that it is using libmpeg2 to decode the file, so gstreamer may 
work if gst-plugins-mpeg2dec is installed.
 

I tried putting in several of the available package extras, starting 
with that above for libmpeg2 , which 
got the picture rolling. It took a while and surprise to find that the 
audio stream would not become audible without aRts. I have seen this 
program listed a lot - especially around KDE - without knowing what it 
was for.



By the way here are some tests to determine the codec used:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/media $ file REV_OS_trailer.mpg
REV_OS_trailer.mpg: MPEG sequence, v1, system multiplex

(that gives a pretty good indication of being an mpeg-1 stream)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/media $ tcprobe -i REV_OS_trailer.mpg
[tcprobe] MPEG program stream (PS)

(as does that)

[tcprobe] summary for REV_OS_trailer.mpg, (*) = not default, 0 = not detected
import frame size: -g 352x240 [720x576] (*)
aspect ratio: 4:3 (*)
  frame rate: -f 29.970 [25.000] frc=4 (*)
  PTS=47721.8588, frame_time=33 ms, bitrate=1150 kbps
 audio track: -a 0 [0] -e 44100,16,2 [48000,16,2] -n 0x50 [0x2000] (*)
  bitrate=224 kbps

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/media $ ffmpeg -i REV_OS_trailer.mpg
ffmpeg version 0.4.9-pre1, build 4743, Copyright (c) 2000-2004 Fabrice Bellard
 configuration:  --prefix=/usr --host=i686-pc-linux-gnu --mandir=/usr/share/man 
--infodir=/usr/share/info --datadir=/usr/share --sysconfdir=/etc 
--localstatedir=/var/lib --build=i686-pc-linux-gnu --enable-shared-pp 
--enable-shared --disable-static --enable-mmx --disable-altivec --disable-debug 
--enable-mp3lame --enable-a52 --disable-a52bin --enable-audio-oss --enable-v4l 
--enable-dv1394 --enable-dc1394 --disable-pthreads --enable-xvid --enable-ogg 
--enable-vorbis --enable-dts --enable-network --enable-zlib --enable-ffplay 
--enable-faad --enable-faac --disable-faadbin --enable-gpl --enable-pp 
--disable-opts
 built on Sep 30 2005 17:17:47, gcc: 3.3.6 (Gentoo 3.3.6, ssp-3.3.6-1.0, 
pie-8.7.8)
Input #0, mpeg, from 'REV_OS_trailer.mpg':
 Duration: 00:01:51.9, start: 0.340078, bitrate: 1412 kb/s
 Stream #0.0: Video: mpeg1video, 352x240, 29.97 fps
 Stream #0.1: Audio: mp2, 44100 Hz, stereo, 224 kb/s
Must supply at least one output file

 

The point of the exercise is to find out where the most useable given 
solutions most readily are. With gstreamer as the backend for Totem - 
out of the box - FreeBSD plays the test mpg & Ubuntu doesn't. So you 
have been helpful in showing what makes the difference, so that Ubuntu's 
gstreamer can be tweaked up to FreeBSD's delivery standard. Before this, 
the solution I have found and passed onto others is to install 
totem-xine package, which displaces totem-gstreamer. Xine is clearly a 
fully-pledged media player, with all the plugins in place (i've not yet 
had cause to try media player).


The next level of this test is to get both O/Ss to play my LOTR dvd, and 
discover if i am Free to so do. Currently both totem-gstreamers do not 
comply. (Errors about 'can't read dvd info' and 'can't  determine stream 
type'.) I'll try more plugins, then probably have to try switching to 
xine again.


Thanks for your input,

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Re: test / FreeBSD CD mount + .mpg

[Richard Tindall]

Andrew Turner wrote:


Try
mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0 /cdrom

The FreeBSD mount will assume you are mounting a UFS file system. When 
the super block is incorrect it complains.


That worked, & i can confirm that the FreeBSD 5.4 Totem with Gstreamer 
does play video clips as packaged, where the
Ubuntu 5.04 version did not (until Xine substituted in). Will test 
Ubuntu 5.10 asap.


Later,

Rik

Re: ==>> 2006 CLUG meeting dates <<==

[Richard Tindall]

Thanks Chris,

I have entered these dates into the CLUG wiki.

People might book their topics into the schedule there. (Voluntarism is 
encouraged :)


Christopher Sawtell wrote:

During 2006 we will be having meetings at the St. Albans Resource Centre on 
alternate Tuesdays and Wednesdays according to this Schedule:-


Tue. 10 January( Subject to possible cancellation if no interest )
Wed. 15 February
Tue. 14 March
Wed. 19 April
Tue.  9 May
Wed. 21 June
Tue. 11 July
Wed. 16 August
Tue. 12 September
Wed. 18 October
Tue. 14 November
Wed. 20 December

These dates are firm bookings, and may be entered into diaries. ( Hint )



My thoughts are that it is good if we can offer one support meeting 
every two weeks approx, so newbies never have long to wait before 
getting direct assistance. Done effectively, this sequence might meet 
the need for more organised Installfests.


But make of a note now of Saturday 9 September 2006 - the 3rd annual 
Software Freedom Day <http://www.softwarefreedomday.org>. CLUG is 
invited to use this date for an installfest, sharing resources with the 
established event.


Our immediate priority is to secure a suitable venue (spacious, with a 
broadband allowance, 24-hour access optimally), that would benefit from 
the advertising promotion done around SFD globally. E.g. tertiary or 
commercial premises, with or wanting a *nix profile. Any ideas?..


hth,

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Re: test / FreeBSD CD mount

[Richard Tindall]

Andrew Turner wrote:


Try
mount -t cd9660 /dev/acd0 /cdrom


ah! -t
I'll try that again then.
Thanks Andrew.

The FreeBSD mount will assume you are mounting a UFS file system. When 
the super block is incorrect it complains.


Devices on FreeBSD are automatically created and deleted with devfs. 
Unless you created a link to another device you won't need to delete 
anything from /dev


Cheers,

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test / FreeBSD CD mount

[Richard Tindall]

Hi folks,

Is there some reason I am unable to..

P3-600-FreeBSD# mount /dev/acd0 /cdrom/
mount: /dev/acd0 on /cdrom: incorrect super block

It's a Linux CD, 2 tried so far. Have been able to play a music CD
already, & installed from the drive (it's good). 

Is there a /dev/?(music) to be deleted?

Cheers,
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Mozilla 1.7.7 browser, Evolution 2.2.1.1 Groupware

Fwd: Re: lilo to grub swap + midi

[Richard Tindall]

--- Begin Message ---

Some final remarks..


On Sat, October 15, 2005 5:33 pm, Nick Rout said:
 


HMMM

http://www.linux-magazine.com/issue/53/Xandros_Desktop_OS_30_Review.pdf

 Due to the different approaches
that Lilo and Grub have, only Lilo allows
users to run Udev to set up dynamic
device files for hard disks – such as
/dev/hda1 – when booting the system. In
contrast to Lilo, Grub needs the device
file to load the kernel – as Grub cannot
find this file, Xandros will not boot with
Grub. This can cause issues, if you
attempt to specify Xandros as a boot
option within a pre-installed distribution
that uses Grub. 
   


Well that's got me looking further for tips too:

"# Note that Xandros uses LILO by default and offers

# no easy way to install grub. I can only boot into Xandros from a boot
# floppy.  My advice is don't mix Xandros with grub ;)"


from: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/12/msg00159.html

I can also confirm that the Xandros mkinitrd is indeed modified, from 
its different manpage: "This manual page was written by unknown 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, for the Debian GNU/Linux system (but may be used 
by others). June 12, 2002 MKINITRD(8)"



As a result I suggest installing lilo to the partition that xandros is on,
and then chainloading lilo from grub. In this scheme grub starts as usual,
and one of its options is xandros. Rather than loading Xandros' kernel, it
starts the lilo on /dev/hda9.

Rough guide:

your grub in xandros is alrady set up to install in the xandros partition,
so it will nopt affect grub. 


there is no grub in xandros, nor a package available.

so is this still a starter?


That is because of the line:

boot /dev/hda9

(refer your email at 9.17 pm yesterday)

so boot xandros and then, as root, run /sbin/lilo
 


how do i know my mbr will be safe?


then boot back to debian (I think thats where you said grub was based)

edit debians grub.conf file to include the following stanza:

title Chainload Xandros Lilo
rootnoverify (hd0,8)
makeactive
chainloader +1


That should get xandros' lilo going
 


sounds almost worth a try :-)

I was just about ready to recommend Xandros to Ant, because it's the 
first distro I've seen with timidity ready to roll, out of the box. Plus 
there's excellent docs explaining how to patch it up for perfect sound 
out. That just leaves midi sound in to sort out, which may be a snag..


Soundgarden isn't made available as a package, & "Note: Xandros does not 
guarantee or support applications installed from sources other than the 
Xandros distribution site. Applications installed from other sources may 
cause previously installed applications to stop working correctly."


The modified nature of Xandros makes the outcome unpredictable.

So before saying any more, I'll test that myself and/or Kubuntu, on a 
midi-ported box.


Unless Nick has Ant working with Gentoo before then.

Or Ant might already have it sorted himself.

Cheers, Rik

--- End Message ---

Re: lilo to grub swap + midi

[Richard Tindall]

Cheers Steve,

Steve Holdoway wrote:


*never* had to do that on debian or rh! Are you using reiserfs on your
boot disk? If so, then if you ever get it to boot, then you'll be real
lucky! Try with ext3 and see if that helps.

You can try making your own initrd... move the current one out of the way
first.

cd /boot
mv initrd-2.6.9-x1.gz initrd-2.6.9-x1.gz.old
mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.6.9-x1.gz 2.6.9-x1

and reboot.
 


Have tried this significant exercise, but there was no changed result.

N.B. Curiously, although  mkinitrd "-o outfile  Write to outfile" is an 
option here on Ubuntu, it doesn't exist on Xandros. -k made it work 
there (iirc), though it did not mean "-k   Keep temporary directory used 
to make the image" like here.


Willing to keep trying more techniques though.

Thanks, Rik

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Re: lilo to grub swap + midi

[Richard Tindall]

Cheers Nick,

Nick Rout wrote:


Just thinking on initrd's, as I only use them on one box...

The idea of initrd is that it provides a tempoary root directory with
stuff you need to complete the boot. It does this in a ram disk. I suspect
this is why it cannot find /root - because a needed filesystem module is
in the initrd. so try this (cribbed from my machine that uses initrd)

kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.9-x1 root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/hda9 ro acpi=off

(thats all one line)

As you can probably see that starts the kernel with the ramdisk
(/dev/ram0) as root, then later swithes to /dev/hda9 (real_root).

Give it a try.
 


Did just that..

Result was that kernel booted through to a root shell prompt in busybox 
(quickly, i.e. no drivers etc loaded i'd expect). --Help described very 
little functionality from there though.


Thanks, Rik

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Re: Leaving Chch for Wellington ...

[Richard Tindall]

Jim Cheetham wrote:

At the end of this month (short notice!) I'll be leaving Christchurch, 
and moving on to Wellington, to work at Unisys.


I don't think that will make much difference to CLUG, because I'll 
still be here on the mailing lists, and running the wiki ...


On Friday 28th of this month, I'll be having a few goodbye drinks at 
the Twisted Hop, and I hope some of you will be able to join me!  
[diary marked]


-jim



Christchurch's loss is Wellington's gain.

Sorry to see such an informed *nixer leaving. But good luck in Wellytown 
Jim. Sounds like an interesting job.


All the best,

Rik

Re: qemu & Wesley

[Richard Tindall]

Ralph Stoker wrote:


On Wednesday 12 October 2005 00:10, Ross Drummond wrote:
 


Top talk Wesley.

Your presentation has enticed me to try it myself.
   


Here, here.
 


Yes, thanks Wesley.

After piquing my attantion with the posts prior to the talk I downloaded some 
relevant info off the web and tried on the night installing the 
relevant .rpms from the QEMU website and following the Novell:Cool Solutions 
website 'How To install on SuSE 9.2'...but ran into SDL dependency conflicts 
when installing via YaST. 

I noted that the SDL Development toolkit  for the latest .7 QEMU release was 
for i386 architecture as opposed to the older SuSE 9.2 installed i586 SDL 
toolkit. So I stopped.


I then looked and found QEMU .6 already came on my SuSE 9.2 distro (duuh)..so 
I installed that. As yet I haven't tried loading my Win95 as I am still not 
sufficiently confident with command line and just how relevant the Gentoo 
instructions given by Robert / Nick are to my SuSEbut I intend to 
continue on eventually.


Cheers
Ralph

 

After seeing how Ralph got on, I promised to check for an Ubuntu 
package. So quoted from Synaptic:


fast processor emulator
QEMU is a FAST! processor emulator: currently the package supports
arm, powerpc, sparc and x86 emulation. By using dynamic translation
it achieves reasonable speed while being easy to port on new host
CPUs. QEMU has two operating modes:

* User mode emulation: QEMU can launch Linux processes compiled for
  one CPU on another CPU.
* Full system emulation: QEMU emulates a full system, including a
  processor and various peripherials. It enables easier testing and
  debugging of system code. It can also be used to provide virtual
  hosting of several virtual PC on a single server.

As QEMU requires no host kernel patches to run, it is very safe and
easy to use.

- It draws in bochsbios, sharutils & vgabios too.

Cheers all,

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Re: Midi / CLUG

[Richard Tindall]

Christopher Sawtell wrote:


Does Wesley require data projection (un[=pre]tested)?
   


Yes, using my ThinkPad.
 


No worries. See you @7.20 then

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Re: Midi / CLUG

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


[midi blah blah music blah blah ports blah blah]
 

Yes, I got some play out of Kmid on Ubuntu in the end, using Fluidsynth 
& an .sf2 soundfont to compensate for onboard sound limits. So there are 
some ready install options.


See you there.

Does Wesley require data projection (untested)?

Re:post:- => CLUG Midi <=

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:



fundamental test: what is now the result of aplaymidi -l
 


I was ready for that one (sort of):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ aplaymidi -l
PortClient name  Port name

!!??


I have been having a nice play and understanding more midi.

 


Geekfun :-)


Do read my subsequent post [yep] - fundamentally you need

EITHER:

a synthesiser in your soundcard that has a linux driver; 


most unlikely (although I've a nice old PCI card I can haul out)


OR

a hardware port that connects to an external synthesiser (most likely
through your soundcard's joystick port) and a driver for the port; OR
 


none on lappie


a soft synthesiser like timidity or fluidsynth.
 


I have both installed now


Cheers, rik


(OT: that was quite a qu/sh-ake - where?..)

Re: MIDI was Repost:-(blah)

[Richard Tindall]

All good detail, thanks Nick.

Nick Rout wrote:


Some things you have to remember..
 

For my part I'm just trying to get midi playback working, as an exercise 
halfway towards recommending something that works ('easily') for Ant.


Adding this Ubuntu package for good measure now (TiMidity is installed):

"TiMidity++ extra user interfaces
TiMidity++ is a very high quality software-only MIDI sequencer and MOD
player.

This package provides extra TiMidity++ user interfaces, which have
limited functionality when compared to those in the main package.

Interfaces in this package: VT100, Tcl/Tk, Slang, XSkin, GTK2"

Cheers, Rik

Re: Repost:- ==>> CLUG Meeting Tomorrow October 11 <<==

[Richard Tindall]

Worth a try..

Nick Rout wrote:


suggest you try loading the modules. These are on ubuntu
livecd on vmware:

snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq
snd_rawmidi
snd_seq_device
snd
 


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod|grep snd
snd_seq_midi8512  0
snd_rawmidi24480  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_oss34176  0
snd_seq_midi_event  7424  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_oss
snd_seq52528  5 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_seq_device  8460  4 snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
snd_ali545123684  2
snd_ac97_codec 74144  1 snd_ali5451
snd_pcm_oss52132  1
snd_mixer_oss  19680  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm94696  3 snd_ali5451,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer  25060  2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd55012  10 
snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_ali5451,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer

soundcore  10016  3 snd
snd_page_alloc  9732  1 snd_pcm

- Ready to play?


same on gentoo. However neither had inserted snd_seq_midi on its own, I
had to modprobe it. This is usually a pretty easy modification to make to
your setup, via whatever process you use to change modules.conf or the
alsa configs on your distro.
 


I have yet to ever touch these, but should once it works..

Kmid does not 'error' now, nor anything else yet with a *.mid


rosegarden does not depend on kde, but it does depend on kdelibs and
parts of kdemultimedia.


Reinstalling Rosegarden..

Cheers, rik

Re: Repost:- ==>> CLUG Meeting Tomorrow October 11 <<==

[Richard Tindall]

Anthony Brown wrote:


I have a few distro's on CD. I will bring them.

It might be best if I come along tomorrow night and just meet the team so
you know my face. Maybe discuss a few ideas and setup a time which will be
more suitable to tackle the problem.
 


Good idea. And for more perspective, read these:

*HOWTO: Getting MIDI to work fully in Ubuntu [hopeful!]*
http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=8736

TUX Issue #5
"getting other things like voip or midi to work can be a big problem for 
beginners. I've been in and out of Linux boxes for about 5 years and 
have never got midi to work right, it was always easier and quicker to 
run the midi files through a windows system than it was to make it work 
with Linux." [no comments yet]

http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000144

Linux Audio - Midi - Video [what Lance said]
http://lyris.spc.int/read/messages?id=42540

etc

Cheers, Rik

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Re: Repost:- ==>> CLUG Meeting Tomorrow October 11 <<==

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


well do you have any midi devices? It seems not.
 

I did in the tests run last week - Jack / Rosegarden (see posts Fri 
a.m.; aborted).



Did you run the stuff I suggested?

aplaymidi -l

is a good start.

lsmod|grep snd

is another.
 


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ aplaymidi -l
ALSA lib seq_hw.c:446:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No 
such file or directory

Cannot open sequencer - No such file or directory

[Sequencer not running stops Kmidi too.]

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod|grep snd
snd_ali545123684  2
snd_ac97_codec 74144  1 snd_ali5451
snd_pcm_oss52132  1
snd_mixer_oss  19680  2 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm94696  3 snd_ali5451,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer  25060  1 snd_pcm
snd55012  6 
snd_ali5451,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer

soundcore  10016  3 snd
snd_page_alloc  9732  1 snd_pcm



rosegarden does not depend on kde, but it does depend on kdelibs and parts
of kdemultimedia.
 


I'd reinstall it / all, to test further..

But it was leaving an un-^C-able (start sequencer) process, so I biffed it.

Rik

Re: Repost:- ==>> CLUG Meeting Tomorrow October 11 <<==

[Richard Tindall]

Steve Holdoway wrote:


I've just spent 30 minutes on the Ubuntu site looking for minimum hardware
requirements, but failed. I'm worried about running a realtime
applicationunder kde on this hardware may be asking a bit much?
 


I hadn't realised KDE needs more resources than Gnome.
Sounds like Ant would struggle to use WinXX much the same.
CLI programs / nix deep-end the only option on this hardware?

Rik

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Re: Repost:- ==>> CLUG Meeting Tomorrow October 11 <<==

[Richard Tindall]

Anthony Brown wrote:


No DVD Reader,

I have the first 3 cd's of the Debian install. 3.1 I think.
I tried installing Debian .. yesterday or the day before but couldn't get
the mouse to work.
I will get it as far as I can with Debian 3.1 tomorrow.

-Original Message-
From: Steve Holdoway
Looks like debian's probably the best bet. tbh it would be an idea to get
installed before you get there. Does it have a dvd reader?


I would like to bring along a computer to get configured if that is ok.

There are two problems. I wont be able to make it until just after 9pm (I
have a music lesson) and it doesn't have an operating system installed
because I can't decide what one to install..

It is an AMD K6-2/400 with 128Mb SD-Ram. 9.3GB HDD.

I will also bring along my synthesizer, it is a novation KS4.

The soundcard has a MIDI port and I have MIDI cables.

I want to be able to record digital audio, and MIDI events.
I don't care what software gets used, or how it all works, I just want
something that works.

I also don't need to do any editing of audio or complex audio operations I
will use my other computer for that. I just need to record the raw audio
and
MIDI events...

If there is anything you think I should ask my music teacher before coming
then please let me know. He owns and operates a high quality recording
studio.
   


Has he ever used Linux to record midi? Or anyone else he knows?..

I've run some trials on your behalf Ant, & think you've got a hurdle ahead.

My conclusion re Ubuntu is that the KDE support is insufficient to run 
Rosegarden properly, easily. Even Kmidi doesn't run yet (it's asking for 
a sequencer; Rosegarden's won't restart since the initial install). I'd 
expect Kubuntu to be better, but Debian worse (an install of that is 
much more geek-demanding than Ubuntu). So tomorrow night is likely to 
confirm all this, and lead you to a..


KDE-dedicated desktop install (Rosegarden's native base).

Gentoo is recommended, but tricky & time-consuming - you'd have to 
arrange further help. A Suse install is doable in an hour (only just, 
including set/pack-up), and should give you the quick & extensive 
package support you need. As yet untested for midi play/record purposes 
tho; - Volker?


Or has someone got a Kubuntu disk available?

hth, Rik

Re: What to do with an old mac

[Richard Tindall]

Volker Kuhlmann wrote:



Nothing like letting off some aggro for the right cause... :)
 


How about making a macquarium?

I've got a couple of *really* old Macs I'd like to do this to.
   



Not bad. Just remember not to plug in the power cord...
 


Adding to the range of options..

Mac Udder Side Park 

Re: Setting up Audio on Redhat-CCRMA

[Richard Tindall]

There must be a lesson in here for us all..

Steve Holdoway wrote:


RedHat is pretty long in the tooth now... although the CentOS offerings of
RHEL are fine. However, if you're using apt to install, it may be a better
idea to use a debian-based distro.

I'm struggling with the logic of the particular situation Ant faced 
getting started with midi support.


How is it http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/ are providing 
an apt kernel install system for RedHat? Has that come from a 
half-informed approach to Linux, or do they set out to break ('modify') 
the O/S intentionally?


From what I've learned in just a few years, adding apt would be a 
pretty risky way to deal with an rpm-built system, because the original 
package log will thereafter be compromised. Am I correct in likening 
this kernel update method to installing a log-burner in your house by 
using a bulldozer? Steve has pointed to where apt is already used, and 
safer, but ccrma's kernel is for RH/Fedora only.


Ah.., http://apt4rpm.sourceforge.net says "Apt4rpm.. Analyzes the rpm 
packages in the rpm repository and creates a unified rpm package name. 
This mechanism uses caching to speed up the creation of subsequent 
created apt, yum or metadata repositories. The rpm name, version and 
architecture are stored seperately in the cache. This makes it possible 
to easily search for 1 particular rpm throughout the whole apt 
repository." ..So that means it's a permanent upgrade to the RedHat 
packaging system, which it breaks? Empowering for geeks but scary for 
newbies, who lose the ability to point, click & install software 
consistently from rpm icons thereafter.


I am happy to stand corrected. But until then I will share my 
rudimentary gleaning for all those seeking to follow the snow-swept 
mountain pass thru to Linuxville:


New User Rule #1:

For extended useability of your Linux platform, maintain the integrity 
of your chosen distribution[2]'s packaging subsystem _at all costs_.


2. The packaging subsystem you must stick with therefore has high 
priority in making your choice of distro, alongside range of software 
available for it, and speedy availability of the latest upgrades, etc.


[The last two aspects are not important for my pedestrian computing 
needs, whereas system stability is, on top of ease of software addition 
& update. - Just so people know how I've reached my post-newbie distro 
choice (Ubuntu).]


To conclude, Lance has echoed Robert in misattributing Slashdot talk to 
me (by stripping the quote marks), and confusing the packaging system 
choice with narrowness about distros. This explains why, despite wanting 
to disagree, Lance has recommended some apt-based distros, as do I (for 
non-experts).




hth,

Rik

Re: Setting up Audio on Redhat-CCRMA

[Richard Tindall]

Robert Fisher wrote:


On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:16, /. wrote:
 


One of the main reasons I switched to Ubuntu was because I wanted a
distro with 2.6 kernel with proper package management. At the time,
there were 2 realistic options; Gentoo and Ubuntu. Gentoo seemed to be
too much of a fuss.
   



I do not understand why you narrow it down to only two distros for those two 
criteria. IMHO there are several others which satisfy them.
 


It's a quote from someone else, not-imho.

But progress:

"Rosegarden 1.0 - AlsaDriver - alsa-lib version 1.0.8

JackDriver::initialiseAudio - JACK sample rate = 44100Hz, buffer size = 2048
JackDriver::initialiseAudio - creating disk thread
JackDriver::initialiseAudio - found 2 JACK physical outputs
JackDriver::initialiseAudio - connecting from "rosegarden:master out L" 
to "alsa_pcm:playback_1"
JackDriver::initialiseAudio - connecting from "rosegarden:master out R" 
to "alsa_pcm:playback_2"

JackDriver::initialiseAudio - found 2 JACK physical inputs
JackDriver::initialiseAudio - connecting from "alsa_pcm:capture_1" to 
"rosegarden:record in 1 L"
JackDriver::initialiseAudio - connecting from "alsa_pcm:capture_2" to 
"rosegarden:record in 1 R"

JackDriver::initialiseAudio - initialised JACK audio subsystem

 ALSA Client information:

   Current timer set to "PCM playback 0-0-0"
AlsaDriver::initialiseMidi -  initialised MIDI subsystem

   Current timer set to "PCM playback 0-0-0"
Creating device 1 in Play mode -- no connection available
Default device name for this device is Anonymous MIDI device 1"

+ Alert: "JACK Audio subsystem is losing sample frames" when playing a 
.mid file.


--
FreeNix!

Re: Setting up Audio on Redhat-CCRMA

[Richard Tindall]

Anthony Brown wrote:


Hi,

Thanks to everyone for the overwhelming support.

I will definately check out a different distribution for what I am doing, I
didn't realise redhat was old hat.

Here is a link to the synth I am using:
http://www.novationmusic.com/product.asp?id=13&Type=1&bArchive=


Nice one.


I don't have to use CCRMA, it was just something I came across that I
thought might help me, more than hinder me.
Also I'm not a very patient man, so I will try one of these distributions I
have downloaded recently.
I got: Debian, Knoppix, Gentoo, Ubunto, dynebolic, demudi and fedora 4.

Not sure what one to start with. Demudi is another specialised one for audio
(http://www.agnula.org/)
But after using CCRMA I'm not sure if I can trust it.
 


Useful comments / stuff re Ubuntu etc:

"This is my third Ubuntu install now, before that I ran RH9.

One of the main reasons I switched to Ubuntu was because I wanted a 
distro with 2.6 kernel with proper package management. At the time, 
there were 2 realistic options; Gentoo and Ubuntu. Gentoo seemed to be 
too much of a fuss.


The breezy preview installed pretty smoothly. The majority of the work 
however comes after the install. I keep an install log to make it easier 
to tweak the install to my liking.


I took out my soundcard in favor of the one that's on the mainboard. I 
found that the MIDI device was not detected properly 'out of the box'; 
because of this, amidi --dump did not find the default MIDI device. This 
was solved after making a symbolic link (ln -s midiC1D0 midiC0D0). No 
big thing here; by what I could tell this behaviour was present in the 
previous release as well."


From: 
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/09/26/0333248&tid=90&tid=106


Also: http://lurker.agnula.org/message/20050916.113201.915538b7.en.html
http://mailman.lug.org.uk/pipermail/herefordshire/2005-August/001122.html
http://madpenguin.org/cms/html/47/5145.html (5.10 review)

I'll repost if I manage to get any midi sound out of Ubuntu.


I will post again once I have another distribution installed.
 


Cool.


Thanks again for all the help,
:Ant


That's what we're here for.

Good luck, Rik

Re: Setting up Audio on Redhat-CCRMA

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


No need to update the bios usually. The linux kernel deals with the hard
drive, the bios is only involved in the boot sequence. Once it hands off
to the kernel, all is sweet. HOWEVER I would make a /boot partition at the
start of the drive to ensure that the kernel and grub are always within
reach of what the bios can see.
 


"$df -h" agrees with bios 'autodetect hdd', that <2GB is all he gets.

Practically, how recently have you seen /boot lost by a bios?
Is 200MB enough, to allow for some kernel variant options?



Rosegarden should just work once you have the midi hardware going. Its a
while since I did it and i have rebuilt my desktop. I'll fire up the
laptop later, i had it playing our electric piano at one stage. I don't
think there should be any "compatibility" list, as midi is just midi
AFAIK.
 



That's what I expected. Rosegarden was running, but we couldn't pick 
anything up off the midi port (on the soundcard). Jack was showing 
plenty of relevant connections - mostly we're still mastering the s/w. 
Perhaps it's ready to be made to run; lsmod looked pretty good.


Is he doing midi through a midi port on the soundcard 


yes


or does he have a
separate midi port? I have a usb midiman single port midi interface for
the laptop (http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Uno-main.html).

The alsa pages should indicate whether there is midi support for his
soundcard (http://alsa-project.org
 


great links etc:

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=Ensoniq&card=.&chip=ES1371%2C+ES1372%2C+ES1373%2C+CT5880+%28ES1373%29&module=ens1371
(iirc) + http://sound.condorow.net


the next Gentoofest.
   



I can answer that, not until November unfortunately I have other
commitments and Rob has a fence to build before he is allowed to play.

Cheers. I might try him on Ubuntu in the meantime then. The packages 
list there is good, and I have Rosegarden running on it now. But no 
sound output yet:


"Rosegarden 1.0 - AlsaDriver - alsa-lib version 1.0.8
JackDriver::initialiseAudio - JACK server not running"

How's that started? (Ant had a menu icon for it.)

Cheers, Rik

Re: Setting up Audio on Redhat-CCRMA

[Richard Tindall]

Thanks Nick,

This is exactly what we needed.

Nick Rout wrote:


On Thu, October 6, 2005 5:41 pm, Richard Tindall said:

[ a whole lot of stuff about linux audio, redhat. planet ccrma etc]

Sorry to do the major snip Rik, 


It's most often appropriate, vs repetition.


just to summarise:

Ant has Redhat, with Planet CCRMA audiospecialist rpm's installed over the
top. He has had update and config problems.

IMHO RH is too old to start with. 


Agreed.


Planet CCRMA is also compiled for
Redhat's successors, Fedora Core 1, 2 & 3. According to the website it is
being updated for Fedora 4.
 


Good news.


If Ant is in a hurry and absolutely wants to use CCRMA, I suggest he backs
up his data and installs FC3, then the CCRMA stuff. If he is more patient
he could wait for CCRMA to catch up to FC4 and start from there.
 

It's a blank, dedicated recording box: P2-400 iirc. The BIOS only reads 
2GB of the 4GB hard drive, & he wants to put a 10GB drive in there. Will 
that BIOS be updateable?



I hate to push the barrow all the time, and you cynics can take a yawn and
hit the kill button now, but I have found gentoo reasonably good for audio
stuff. The idea of CCRMA is, of course, to compile some specialist apps
and the kernel with specific sound oriented options for low latency, jack
audio and so forth. This specialist compilation is what gentoo excels at.
 


Great!
I'll have a sniff round Gentoo & see what I can upspeed on.


However whatever approach is taken, getting professional audio going on
linux is a real chore. Many pros give up and go back to windows or a mac.
 

That's why I'm recommending vanilla midi throughput & recording, on 
anynix, as a starting point.
Beyond that, his synth isn't present in Rosegarden's config list range, 
so I'd be searching for the best s/w capable of matching that unit, & 
working back from there.



You also mentioned 128 MB of RAM, I assume thats what Ant has. It's likely
the whole machine is underpowered. If he wants pro audio its likely he
needs more ram, and a well supported sound card.
 

I agree, but he has the good system in the office for Win/work, & the 
sound studio in the garage.
Ex-lease 1GHz+ stuff is _really_ cheap now - I'd go that way, with a 
workable modem & extra RAM thrown in, from the Computer Broker. Ant's 
Ensoniq soundcard seems pretty good tho.



Please also note that there are a set of very good linux audio articles on
www.linuxjournal.com, by Dave  Phillips. Well worth a read!
 

Cool. Ant will be reading these posts, to inform his choices. He cannot 
be with us until 9pm next Tuesday, which won't leave us enough time to 
do much that night. There's a little lugging involved to get the system 
to us too, so further service calls is an equal option.


The best call might be for Ant to (go shopping, if possible, and) attend 
the next Gentoofest.


When is it Rob?

And thanks for your tips too Steve.

Cheers & hth, Rik

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Re: Totem-xine - success!

[Richard Tindall]

Steve Holdoway wrote:


I think I might start with reseating the power connections and cpu?
 

I'll switch off the system, which runs for hours on end most days quite 
happily, & consider these..


Reboot _always_ works; hdd has never looked like it's lost power once. 
CPU is at its coldest when the mouse-touch or heavy foot takes the 
system down; CPU keeps running once 'hot'.


A more solid desk looks like the obvious fix.

Cheers, Rik

Re: Setting up Audio on Redhat-CCRMA

[Richard Tindall]

Howdy all.

I checked with Ant offlist, to make sure someone had, and went around 
yesterday to see what I could do to help him out. Ant's a programmer, 
with a CPIT degree, earning from PHP. Brand new to Linux, but a most 
worthy convert.


Status:

Anthony Brown wrote:


Hello All,

This is my first email to you, my name is Ant by the way.

I would like to know who could help me setup my computer for music
production?
software installed:
Redhat with Planet-CCRMA kernel,
 

The above is enhanced for midi processing, & installed as per 
instrustions, running well..



Ardour,
Rosegarden4,
Jack
 

These too are good quality studio free/openware, running well but 
subject to limited RAM (128MB) so can crash given work. Driver modules 
for the sound card all look correct, with the midi port picked up by the 
s/w. We had sound in from mic socket & out of spkrs, so it's a software 
problem rather than hardware.



I can get sound to work, but need some help with getting the programs to do
what I want...
Manuals have been read, so I know what can be done and sort of how to do it,
but I get stuck in some
places...
 


Diagnosis:

RedHat9 had been modified, as per instructions, but the expertise for 
final tweaks is absent / OS damaged..


The kernel upgrade packaging used apt-get, and seems to have broken the 
RH packaging subsystem. Installing any more packages is problematic, 
because RH is now complaining about missing libraries & not offering up 
how to find them - e.g. MC unobtainable at present. The original 
libraries could have been replaced, it seems.



If it sounds like I know what I am talking about, then I am sorry.. I don't.
All I can offer is $50 and a couple of beers to someone who can come over
for 2-3 hours and help me
get this going.

Apologies if the email is too long,

Take Care
:Ant

 


Solution:

Reinstall is probably the simplest option.

To enhance this we need to find someone here onlist who has ever 
connected a sythesiser/keyboard through a midi port under Linux, please. 
And what distro did you use?


Midi seems to be a common enough function, and I'd recommend using the 
simplest s/w & most uptodate OS possible, to get it going in test mode, 
before considering more specialist combinations.



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Re: Totem-xine - success!

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:11:36 +1300
Richard Tindall wrote:

Report: Despite the fact that bumping the trolley my AMD box is on 
locks Ubuntu's Gnome solid



sounds like a hardware fault!
like a loose connection or something.




P.S. Dale has similar on his AMD - Gnome on FreeBSD.

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Re: Totem-xine - success!

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:11:36 +1300
Richard Tindall wrote:

 

Report: Despite the fact that bumping the trolley my AMD box is on locks 
Ubuntu's Gnome solid
   



sounds like a hardware fault! 


like a loose connection or something.

 


Could be, but a Real Expert (tm) built this box ;-)
Dual case fans - noisy, but reassuring.

It's never been opened since construction for Fest-2002, & never locked 
up under Mandrake, Suse or Win2K - in the years ago those partitions got 
used.


Looks more like some obscure bug with AMD-Gnome/X-mouse-hdd sensitivity, 
from the outside, with xscreensaver perhaps implicated too.


Running Linux has a price (usually multiple sacrifices), imho, & one has 
to simply be ready to pay it. The majority are probably too pushed for 
the requisite time.


I'll just put up with this fault, awaiting manna from (developer) 
heaven. The system mostly works, like now.


But thanks for the tip.

Cheers, Rik

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Re: Gnome dial-up

[Richard Tindall]

Douglas Royds wrote:

I have had great success with gnome-ppp. If you're using dial-up under 
Gnome, forget about the modem-dialer panel applet (it consumes some 
10% processor time on my machine all the time, whether connected or 
not), and install gnome-ppp instead.  [I immediately recovered 5% CPU 
load - nice bonus.]


Gnome-ppp is a GUI for wvdial. Run it, type in a phone number and 
password, click on connect, and everything leaps into life. Couldn't 
be easier.


Douglas.


Champion, Douglas. You've saved me 2-4+ minutes connection setup on 
every single workday. :-)


I'd heard of http://www.gnome-ppp.org , but never got to the point of 
installing it.

- Just shows what an inspiration joint work can be.

Cheers, Rik

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Re: Totem-xine - success!

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:17:28 +1300
Robert Fisher wrote:
 


On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:10, Douglas Royds wrote:
   


Microshaft's grip on my hard-drive is starting to look tenuous.
Happy, happy.
Douglas.
 


I'm glad the workshops have a point, Douglas. :)

There's no harm in distro sub-groups forming, to pool & deepen OS 
knowledge. The more there are, & the better they work, the more 
effective our software movement is at delivering the necessary user 
support overall. So whereas friendly inter-distro rivalries may rankle 
some, the bigger picture is more options for newbies to find something 
(& a group) that works for them.


Report: Despite the fact that bumping the trolley my AMD box is on locks 
Ubuntu's Gnome solid (as happened under RedHat 9 too) - as many as three 
times per session if done soon after boot :-/ (stabler having run a few 
minutes) -  I'll stick with it. Ubuntu is rock-solid on my P4, & that's 
a laptop - no lock ups at all. The ease-of-update negates any pain. It 
just gives the impression of clean simplicity, having less that can go 
wrong (than the flasher KDE, which has more to learn from the beginning 
- my limited experience only). New Ubuntu release out this month :-)


My son suggested that I try VLC ( http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ ) when one of 
his downloaded movies did not seem to play on any of my players.


It worked a treat and seems to play anything I can throw at it.
   



xine, mplayer and vlc seem to form the basis of all other linux video
playing software.

As far as I can tell they will all play pretty much anything you throw
at them PROVIDED they are compiled and installed properly, with suport
for the codecs and formats you want to play.
 

Apparently gstreamer has been overhauled in the new Gnome, so switching 
Totem to xine may become redundant. Prompted by Douglas, I've got Totem 
playing clips properly too now. It involved adding some non-default mpeg 
libraries/plugins, one of which brought the success.


Cheers, Rik

Reminder: GNU/Linux User support 5/10/5; + BSD

[Richard Tindall]

Greetings people,


Tonight there is a GNU/Linux User support workshop:

7.30pm, Wednesday October 5th, Sydenham Community Association Hall, 25 
Hutcheson Street, Sydenham.


These sessions are pitched at beginners, with Q&A plus install and 
repair help, but also a regular social event for the FOSS community. 
There is a light supper, with all costs met through donations.



We likely have at least one full newbie install on our hands.
Any unfinished tasks will be referred on to next Tuesday :-)

Let us know if you're bringing a system in. We have a few install & 
live CDs available, but if you need a specific distro, please ask.


For those that are interested, it would also be timely to review plans 
and experience for next year's Software Freedom Day. Thanks to 
everyone who helped out on the 10th, and I hope you liked the Press 
coverage.


Regards,

Rik Tindall

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plus

Early notice: Next month, Weds November 2nd, is a *BSD night*.

Dale DuRose, whom we've met through SFD, is going to guide us through a 
FreeBSD install and feature show. An "experienced user" of several 
years, local BSD fans might like to meet Dale tonight, and help 
construct next month's content. We can also start discussion of the 
options of forming a BSD user group, or expanding the present meeting 
series to explicitly offer BSD support under a FreeNix 
 banner.


Cheers & c u there, Rik

Re: rpms

[Richard Tindall]

Philip Charles wrote:



Unfortunately Mandrake was named after the magican (Lothar was not 
included) and not the plant.  Hurst owns the magican.



More info @ CLUG

http://clemsonlinux.org/article.php/20050407180611827

Seriously! :)

- Rik

Re: rpms

[Richard Tindall]

Steve Holdoway wrote:


Do you get music by the Clash as well ( best punk album ever - side 2,
track 3 I think )???
 


Last track side 2?
 


Garageland (album 1)


 What is a "Protex Blue" anyway? I
think I can guess!
   


Correct! ( wasn't that on the first album? )
 


Yes. What's the song then? (save me searching for album 2).


Ah, nostalgia..
   


ain't what it used to be (:
 


self-inflicted memory loss - a passing phase (:

Re: rpms

[Richard Tindall]

Steve Holdoway wrote:


Was a bit confused, as they seem to advocate the use of apt for package
management.
 


As long as it works, it might be the best of both worlds?


Anyway, we're all the wrong colour to walk those streets safely any more!
 

Ah yes, Railton Road. Got chased once for my souvenir recording of the 
sales spiel down there! Interesting, not so touristy. Mid-1981 was 
equally lively on several NZ streets.



Cheers,


Steve
Do you get music by the Clash as well ( best punk album ever - side 2,
track 3 I think )???
 

 What is a "Protex Blue" anyway? I 
think I can guess!


Ah, nostalgia..

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Re: rpms

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:22:40 +1200
Richard Tindall wrote:


Steve Holdoway wrote:


RedHat, Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE... can anyone think of any other x86
distros that use them?

 


BLAG

http://www.blagblagblag.org
   



it actually looks damned cool. if i was still in my distro junky phase i would 
try it!


These components look well worth an explore too:

http://freenx.berlios.de

http://nomachine.com

Anyone tried them? Are they like LTSP?

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Re: rpms

[Richard Tindall]

Steve Holdoway wrote:


RedHat, Fedora, Mandriva, SuSE... can anyone think of any other x86
distros that use them?

 


BLAG has always piqued my curiosity:

http://www.blagblagblag.org

- FC3.

Brixton must be an area you'd know well too. My first-ever Tube ride 
finished there.



Does anyone use Yellow Dog?
 


Yet to try that too.


Cheers,

Steve
 


hth,

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GNU/Linux User support 5/10/5

[Richard Tindall]

Greetings,

One week from tonight is the next GNU/Linux User workshop:

7.30pm, Wednesday October 5th, Sydenham Community Association Hall, 25 
Hutcheson Street, Sydenham.


These sessions are pitched at beginners, with Q&A plus install and 
repair help, but also a regular social event for the FOSS community. 
There is a light supper, with all costs met through donations.


Let us know if you're bringing a system in. We have a few install & live 
CDs available, but if you need a specific distro, please ask.


For those that are interested, it would also be timely to review plans 
and experience for next year's Software Freedom Day. Thanks to everyone 
who helped out on the 10th, and I hope you liked the Press coverage.


Regards,

Rik Tindall

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Re: making html photo album

[Richard Tindall]

Volker Kuhlmann wrote:


Thanks for all the suggestions,
 


One more for good measure:

Photo Gallery Generator 



http://tom4.hyperlink.cz/software.php?mylang=en#d2h

- Rik

Re: Installfest

[Richard Tindall]

Douglas Royds wrote:

What has attendance been like at the GLU meetings? Regrettably I 
haven't been able to attend any (yet).


It's steady now. About half of CLUG's. That's contributory to being able 
to settle down to specific tasks, as they crop up, as a group. c15 is 
supposed to be a 'magic number', beyond which group dynamics shift to 
needing some higher level of organisation. Things do seem to work more 
simply with the smaller group.




How many people at the last GLU meeting?


12


How many desktop PCs?
How many laptops?


One of each would be typical, plus a demo system or two.



Can anyone that has attended these meetings take a stab at some numbers?


We're flexible with content & format, such that it's decided by what 
people show up with. We've looked at Puppy Linux releases twice, and 
although it does have a good modem configurator, this didn't resolve the 
issue for someone at the time.


The workshop did get a result in the end though (PCMCIA-Debian).

hth,

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Re: Installfest

[Richard Tindall]

Robert Fisher wrote:


Nick Rout wrote:
 


Perhaps we need to advertise them to the general public and move them to
(say) a saturday. Then they will have to cost people (hall hire,
advertising in the Press etc.)


Can I ask if people on this list who started with an Installfest can
comment on their own experience?


How much do you want?

(allowing others' comments precedence over mine..)

- there's that danged apostrophe! ;-)

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Re: [OT] Recommendations for CV/Resume Writers

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


On Thu, 2005-09-15 at 21:23 +1200, Christopher Sawtell wrote:
 


the're
   


?
 


Yes, indeed!

"They're" is the trans-atlantic patois form.
Anyway that's what I was taught at school all those years ago.
   



Interesting, here is me thinking you had made a pselling mistake.
 


They are / them are = the're
   - a non-specific generalisation, rarely used.
   - derived from grrr.

:-)

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Re: [OT] Recommendations for CV/Resume Writers

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 12:54:49 +1200
Michael JasonSmith wrote:


y favourite grammar question annoys many wingers: what is a person from
Canterbury called?
   



One-eyed?
 


He tangata o Waitaha.

And if you can't accept an Official Language, go to hell.

C/C++

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Re: X problem with cloned screen

[Richard Tindall]

Robert Fisher wrote:


On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 07:15, Nick Rout wrote


xrandr?
   



Perfect. Worked a treat. Thanks Nick.

xrandr -q
then
xrandr -s 1
 


Cool. That's gonna be an asset sorting out projector issues in future :-) ..

Cheers, Rik

Re: Seeing as Derek started a day for reposting slashdot links...

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


...and following from Chris referring us all to NerdTV

Here is a site that lists "Techie" TV shows available for download.

http://www.filefarmer.com/techshows/

Goodbye bandwidth, hello new hard drive!
 

Any chance of screening the most interesting stuff for CLUG, on a 
regular basis?


Or maybe a monthly video-CD people can obtain? (assuming it's all 
open/free.)


Cheers, Rik

Re: The Six Dumbest ideas in Computer Security

[Richard Tindall]

Thanks,..

Derek Smithies wrote:


Hi,

This is really good reading.
 


..it is.





Derek
 


Did anyone not check out http://www.ranum.com ?

Cheers, Rik

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Saturday FOSS outreach

[Richard Tindall]

Hi folks,

Anyone with an hour free tomorrow is welcome to add to our tutor base 
for Software Freedom Day  2.


'Meet the public', answering questions & guiding them thru the official 
Open/live-CD (free souvenirs available).


Location etc details are here: http://www.infohelp.co.nz/sfd2.html

Cheers, Rik

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Re: Govt. funding for Linux servers in small schools

[Richard Tindall]

Robert Fisher wrote:


http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/NL/23F818BDD861352CCC257074001D14CB
 


Further:

School funding doesn't please all
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3399513a28,00.html

Digital Opportunities falls short of ideal
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3399509a28,00.html

Software woes knock MED offline
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3399508a28,00.html

& http://www.schooltool.org (ex Press)

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Re: Spamassassin

[Richard Tindall]

Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

Mozilla - Mail / Thunderbird - have great spam filtering built in now. 
You train it, and it works. Very occasionally a wanted mail will get 
filtered out to Junk (or wherever you choose), and needs to be watched 
for. Otherwise, highly recommended, should [you] want to review extra options.
   



And how does this answer the question of how to make kmail and
spamassassin work?
 


And how does yours?

- Have a go, please :-)

Rik

Re: Spamassassin

[Richard Tindall]

Ralph Stoker wrote:


have I missed something obvious??
 

Mozilla - Mail / Thunderbird - have great spam filtering built in now. 
You train it, and it works. Very occasionally a wanted mail will get 
filtered out to Junk (or wherever you choose), and needs to be watched 
for. Otherwise, highly recommended, should want to review extra options.


hth, rik

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Re: OpenSuse 10 beta

[Richard Tindall]

Julian Visch wrote:


On Thursday 01 September 2005 20:25, you wrote:
 

Not personally but a guy from our It department who I introduced Linux to, 
downloaded and said he was impressed but could see why it was beta with Gnome 
not behaving right.
 


Has anyone had Gnome working well with SuSE?

When I tried (9.1), it seemed to be lacking some parts by default - gtk perhaps 
(desktop items weren't fully drawn). I.e. a bit of tweaking may still be 
required, to get Gnome going on SuSE.

- Rik

Re: Debian Floppies

[Richard Tindall]

Subject:
Re: Debian Floppies
From:
Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:
Thu, 01 Sep 2005 13:30:44 +1200
To:
linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz

To:
linux-users@it.canterbury.ac.nz


http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en
http://archive.progeny.com/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current//images/floppy/

you wil need between 2 and four images depending what you are trying to
achieve.

you need boot and root as a minimum, then cd-drivers or net-drivers
depending where you want to go from there.

Thanks for these links Nick. We are downloading / following instructions 
now.


12 present.

Cheers, Rik

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Re: Debian Floppies

[Richard Tindall]

Joshua Collins wrote:


On 9/1/05, *Nick Rout* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:


what is your aim? what is your reason for choosing floppies? generally
they are the last choice after all the others. sometimes though they
really are the only way.

but don't ask to use the same one in a month or two, it'll be
corrupted.
and out of date, and mislabelled, and lost.

or is that just me?

No, they really are outdated tech, now we have cheap USB memory sticks. 
Except..




I have a PC which is totally blank and I need some sort of starting 
point, this seemed the most obvious.
 
So I decided the next best thing (and I got some advice from someone 
else, credit where credit's due and all that) would be to try and get 
a floppy installation. It's hooked upto the net so once that's working 
it shouldn't be a problem. It's just the first step that's keeping me 
back.
 
Hopefully that makes sense.


Yep.

I have found Slackware very good in such situations. - Found a use for a 
486 that way (tho not for long ;).


Hth, rik

Re: Debian Floppies

[Richard Tindall]

Joshua Collins wrote:


On 9/1/05, *Nick Rout* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:


what is your aim? what is your reason for choosing floppies? generally
they are the last choice after all the others. sometimes though they
really are the only way.

but don't ask to use the same one in a month or two, it'll be
corrupted.
and out of date, and mislabelled, and lost.

or is that just me?

No, they really are outdated tech, now we have cheap USB memory sticks. 
Except..




I have a PC which is totally blank and I need some sort of starting 
point, this seemed the most obvious.
 
So I decided the next best thing (and I got some advice from someone 
else, credit where credit's due and all that) would be to try and get 
a floppy installation. It's hooked upto the net so once that's working 
it shouldn't be a problem. It's just the first step that's keeping me 
back.
 
Hopefully that makes sense.


Yep.

I have found Slackware very good in such situations. - Found a use for a 
486 that way (tho not for long ;).


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Re: Debian Floppies

[Richard Tindall]

Joshua Collins wrote:

On a related note would someone be able to burn (what's the correct 
floppy equivalent of that?) the two debian floppy images to floppy 
for me tonight?
 
Woud be much appreciated just tell me what you'd like to do trade for.


--Slosh


If Slosh or someone knows exactly where to get the desired images 
online, and Slosh brings the disks, we can use dialup to do stuff like 
this on the spot.


E.g. any laptop Winmodem drivers required too.

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Re: Reminder: Free Software Support tonite

[Richard Tindall]

Christopher Sawtell wrote:


On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 12:24, Richard Tindall wrote:
 


Also, help with getting a laptop online.
   



More details please.

No great drama. We'll be doing some swap tests between lappies of 2 
pcmcia cards (mine works), to find out why our guest's doesn't go. News 
to me was that some of these are now Winmodems too - bugger. Some 
distro's fare better than others too.


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Re: ICT Leader's Debate - tonight

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


the data for a tow hour show from the US will be at considerable cost,
unless you happen to have an ISP that peers at the right place.

Kinda ironic that the debate is about the state of NZ's IT
infrastructure yet most of NZ will not thave the bandwidth to watch it.
 


True.

Is anybody watching it able to record it please, for screening at St 
Albans next Tuesday perhaps?


- an unfortunate timetable clash.

Cheers, Rik

Reminder: Free Software Support tonite

[Richard Tindall]

Richard Tindall wrote:


Hi people. Tonight there's a GNU/Linux Users workshop:

7.30pm, Sydenham Community Association Hall, 25 Hutcheson Street, 
Sydenham.

Theme: Linux Beginners Q&A + install help (CDs available).

The workshop is open to everyone, and caters to elementary questions 
and setup issues, guided by demand. So everyone is welcome, to ask and 
contribute what they like, and for a cuppa and chat around our 
favourite OS. If you wish to bring a computer along, please let us 
know. There's planty of room, and a phone line for dialout tests & 
info. We ask a $2 donation towards costs.


This workshop is the last before Software Freedom Day 
<http://www.softwarefreedomday.org>, Saturday 10 Sept, should you wish 
to get involved. We still have some flyers to give out, and any number 
of volunteer tutors would be welcome on the day. We're hoping for a 
goodly turnout for this foss promotion event. Keep an eye out for our 
Press ad in Technology from next week: 
http://www.infohelp.co.nz/pressad . Feel free to print this off & hang 
it up at work, your local supermarket and library, etc, etc. Better 
poster versions are here:
http://www.infohelp.co.nz/sfd2 + 
http://www.infohelp.co.nz/docs/SFDFlyer0.pdf (A5) + 
http://www.infohelp.co.nz/docs/SFDFlyer6.pdf (A4).


Thanks for any help you might like to offer, and see you next week,

Rik


We have requests for some Ubuntu administration tips, including 
partitioning and backups. Also, help with getting a laptop online. Room 
for more.


I hope you can make it along. Software Freedom Day draws near.

Cheers, Rik

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Re: ICT Leader's Debate - tonight

[Richard Tindall]

Craig FALCONER wrote:


In case some of you don't get this.


The event is 7pm to 9pm on Thursday 1 September 2005 and will be carried by 
R2.co.nz using anycast routing. This means that ISPs not peering at APE, WIX
or 
PNIX will receive the traffic from our US server. If you require assistance 
with peering, please contact Andy Linton at CityLink.
 

Anyone have a fast, portable network link, to feed the debate stream 
into the Sudenham hall?


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Free Software Support 1/9/5

[Richard Tindall]

Hi people. A week tonight - next Thursday, September 1st - is the  next 
GNU/Linux Users workshop:


7.30pm, Sydenham Community Association Hall, 25 Hutcheson Street, Sydenham.
Theme: Linux Beginners Q&A + install help (CDs available).

The workshop is open to everyone, and caters to elementary questions and 
setup issues, guided by demand. So everyone is welcome, to ask and 
contribute what they like, and for a cuppa and chat around our favourite 
OS. If you wish to bring a computer along, please let us know. There's 
planty of room, and a phone line for dialout tests & info. We ask a $2 
donation towards hall costs.


This workshop is the last before Software Freedom Day 
<http://www.softwarefreedomday.org>, Saturday 10 Sept, should you wish 
to get involved. We still have some flyers to give out, and any number 
of volunteer tutors would be welcome on the day. We're hoping for a 
goodly turnout for this foss promotion event. Keep an eye out for our 
Press ad in Technology from next week: http://www.infohelp.co.nz/pressad 
. Feel free to print this off & hang it up at work, your local 
supermarket and library, etc, etc. Better poster versions are here:
http://www.infohelp.co.nz/sfd2 + 
http://www.infohelp.co.nz/docs/SFDFlyer0.pdf (A5) + 
http://www.infohelp.co.nz/docs/SFDFlyer6.pdf (A4).


Thanks for any help you might like to offer, and see you next week,

Rik

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Re: Value Added Vendors or software system integrators?

[Richard Tindall]

John Veitch wrote:


"...strong knowledge and expertise in UNIX, Linux, and open source technologies.
Whether you're using MySQL, MS-SQLServer, Informix, or Oracle, we know
database technologies inside out."
 


Thanks for that John. My mistake.

Looks like you've been doing some travelling.


The software uses data recognition engines and data base products from
several suppliers. There is extensive need for skilled manual support by
trained people. Contracts probably begin at $10,000. 


Cheers, Rik

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Re: Value Added Vendors or software system integrators?

[Richard Tindall]

??? - O f T

John Veitch wrote:


This is a significant opportunity for the right people. So the question
is an I find those people? 


http://www.ideatechnosoft.com/
 



From site: "FULLY WRITTEN IN .NET"

So my question to you is this?  Who should I be talking too? 
 


- The .NET user group here in Chch, most likely.

- Nothing to do with FOSS !?!?

And your Reply-To is set wrong for posting here too..

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Re: Crazy linux.jetstreamgames and suse 9.3 install

[Richard Tindall]

On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 08:45 +1200, Carl Cerecke wrote:
> I tried to do a network install of Suse9.3 last night, pointing it at
> linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz.
> 
> However, the network install wanted an IP address, not a name.
> 
> This is where it gets strange. linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz has no
> (publically available) IP address.

Are these any help?:

ftp://ftp2.jetstreamgames.co.nz/dist/suse/

ftp://203.96.92.95/ (for Debian)

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Re: Looking for recommendations for a good value laser printer

[Richard Tindall]

Jason Greenwood wrote:

We use a Brother HL5040 at our office - it's been a GREAT workhorse. I 
refill the toner myself and haven't replaced a drum yet (supposed to 
have about 5000 copies ago =) Works well via USB under Linux yada yada.


Craig FALCONER wrote:


Its Brother - avoid like the plague it is.



-Original Message-
From: Ken.McAllister [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 
Tuesday, 23 August 2005 1:43 p.m.

Subject: Re: Looking for recommendations for a good value laser printer

Brother HL2040 from Bond & Bond, Riccarton Mall recently. 600 dpi,
claimed 20 ppm, toner and drum replaced separately ($70 for 2500 copies
and $200 for 12 000 copies). Parallel and USB.


I have an old Brother HL-730 working well with GNU/Linux too (parallel). 
Sewing machine twice-removed..


- Rik

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Re: Ubuntu CDs

[Richard Tindall]

Roy Britten wrote:


Ubuntu 5.04 CDs..
Anyone have any more I could snaffle and share around?
 

I've just ordered 100. I hope they send me 5.10 though. Going by the 
forums they could take awhile, and there's no prominent news about 5.10 
either. Benjamin Mako Hill 
<http://mako.cc/talks/20050728-fork_or_not_to_fork/html_slides/img3.html> 
has (temporarily?) left Canonical for MIT.


- Seems like the commercial pressure is applying evenly across the 
O-S/Linux world..


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Re: Looking for Rick, the Linux guy with the it support business

[Richard Tindall]

Shane wrote:

Sorry for the ot post but wanting to get hold of Rick who sat next to 
me at the Gentto install fest at the a couple of months ago. He runs a 
mobile it support business.


If you could phone me on 964 8988  today or else 021 465547 that would 
be appreciated. Will be at the land line after 10am.  Alternatively, 
anyone know his phone number?   shane   at nunz dot co dot nz would 
get to me.


Cheers,

Shane



Have got the message, thanks Shane & list.

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Re: UNSUBSCRIBE LINUX-USERS

[Richard Tindall]

Robert Bernard wrote:


UNSUBSCRIBE LINUX-USERS


Hey Bob!!

What happened to Mepis?

Don't give up too soon!!!

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Re: Gentoo mini-installfest

[Richard Tindall]

Christopher Sawtell wrote:

Judging by the response so far I have the feeling that there is not much 
interest.
 

I'd be keen on spending a dedicated day studying and updating my Gentoo 
install, with the experts around (I use Ubuntu by default). Just not 10 
Sept please.


Thanks for the host offer Rob.

Cheers, Rik

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OT: ski pass

[Richard Tindall]

Hi all,

I have a one-day ski-lift pass for Porter Heights, 2005 season, that I 
won't be using.

Anyone interested? - contact offlist please.

Cheers, Rik

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Re: Meeting tonight

[Richard Tindall]

Glynn Foster wrote:


 How do other list members feel about this earlier starting time?
   


Not keen, but flexible.



That would be preferable to me - I'm usually need to be in a conf call
at 9pm on Tuesdays during the winter. It feels a bit rude to show up for
just 30-40 minutes, especially if those 30 minutes are just people
playing around trying to get the projector working :)
 


It was condensation inside of the lens, and dried out within 10.

Nick started us at 7.40pm, as I recall.

Glad you could make it Glynn.

Cheers, especially to our great and intelligent speakers. A fascinating 
night.


-Rik
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Re: Meeting tonight

[Richard Tindall]

Roy Britten wrote:

Thanks to all the participants for their work on Tuesday. Some food 
for thought there.


Any chance of getting the presentations on the Wiki (at 
http://clug.net.nz/index.php/PreviousPresentations I guess).


Yes, it was really interesting. Someones mucked up the meeting record 
already though. Would be good to see the notes again.


Cheers, Rik

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Re: meal

[Richard Tindall]

Ross Drummond wrote:

I will be dinning in the restaurant of the Caledonian Hotel prior to this 
evenings meeting.


Annyone who wishes to join me from 6:40PM is very welcome.

To avoid the problem from our last meal where two groups of LUG'ers were 
seated in different parts of the restaurant out of view of each other, please 
tell the receptionist that you are part of the LUG group.


Cheers Ross Drummond

I shall be dining even more remotely, because if I don't park at the 
hall early enough, someone always grabs the park by the back door, 
making it more of a trugde to get the projector/screen in and out again.


Apologies,

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Re: Forthcoming IT Related Events in the Canterbury Region

[Richard Tindall]

Zane Gilmore wrote:


Courtesy of our friendly neighbourhood Computer Society

http://www.nzcs.org.nz/SITE_Default/branches/SITE_canterbury/itevents.asp


Well done guys. :-)

Looking forward,

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Re: Calling all Rik's

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


It is sensible to have them all done from one system. I thought at this
stage my laptop wouold do the trick. I think we have used it with your
projector before, so there may be no need for further testing. Was it
your projector we used for the talk at the Shirley Workingmens Club? (It
was on etherboot with the speaker being a guy from Sydney whose name
escapes me right now)
 

No, I missed that evening. But I think you'll be right, esp if it's KDE 
(on Gentoo?) you're running - generally that's fine: eg Knoppix works 
good. Also, the older IBMs seem fine - Chris's has been tested good (KDE 
on Gentoo).


So we'll take a punt!

c u there

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Re: Calling all Rik's

[Richard Tindall]

Nick Rout wrote:


Can you do the projector thing at St Albans next Tuesday? (9/8/5)
--
Nick Rout


Chris asked me too. Answer:

On the assumption that all presentations will be done from the one 
system, which is tested for compatibility by next Monday, then yes - no 
problem.


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Re: Reminder: GNU/Linux Users workshop 4/8/5

[Richard Tindall]

All good Simon,

You are in luck as I believe one of the resident Gentoo gurus - Chris 
Sawtell - is attending tonight. We'll see what else comes up, but it's 
already looking like the evening's theme. Having got a Gentoo install 
going (with CLUG help), I have almost reached my pedestrian, workaday 
evaluation goal with it, and would put Gentoo in this perspective, in 
relation to Canty G/LUG monthly offerings and a kind of 'Linux induction 
framework' I think everyone would benefit from us clarifying:


1. Beginners - Ubuntu - GLU
2. Intermediate - Debian - GLU
3. Advanced - various topics + Gentoo - CLUG

Of course this does not preclude anyone starting newbies off on Fedora, 
Novell Linux Desktop (Suse), Mandriva, or any other distro they see fit, 
outside or inside the monthly meetings. This is just a guideline for 
what can consistently be offered, from where we are now (without 
Installfest), as a guide to learners.


Discussion welcome, here and/or this evening.

Simon Knight wrote:


Hi, I would like to bring my Gentoo 2005.0 system along to the users
workshop tonight. I am having some trouble with KDE..

 


P.S. I have built a basic LIRC serial transmitter and receiver if any one is
interested I have it receiving but not transmitting, I think its software
rather than hardware problem thou. I will bring it along.

What I especially like about Gentoo - as well as the high quality of 
users gathered around it - is the clear positivity the Gentoo 
documentation shows towards GNU and the Free Software relationship. More 
Gentoo, I say!


Cheers, Rik

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Reminder: GNU/Linux Users workshop 4/8/5

[Richard Tindall]

GNU/Linux Users does Free Software advocacy for the Canterbury/ /LUG.

Tonight's workshop format is the same as last month: Linux Beginners Q&A 
+ installs. So if you want some tips on your setup, or help to get Linux 
running, just let us know if you're bringing a computer along. All 
contributors welcome.


Details: 7.30pm 4/8/5, Sydenham Community Association Hall, 25 Hutcheson 
Street, Christchurch.


There will be flyers for people to take away for friends, shop windows, 
libraries, noticeboards, etc to promote Software Freedom Day 
<http://www.softwarefreedomday.org> arriving on 10 Sept. We wish to make 
a master list of sites to cover the wider city area. The flyer is 
viewable here: http://www.infohelp.co.nz/docs/SFDFlyer6.pdf -  feel free 
to print & circulate.


SFI are sending us extra CDs and materials, because they like the look 
of our preparation so far. Wellington is organised this year, and there 
may be activity in Auckland too; interest is really growing worldwide. 
So if you're wanting to see a higher profile for FOSS locally, and more 
users involved with GNU and Linux, your help is most appreciated.


Regards, and c u tonite, Rik

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Re: GNU/Linux Users workshop 4/8/5

[Richard Tindall]

Christopher Sawtell wrote:


On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:48, Steve Holdoway wrote:
 

Will probably have Gentoo as well by then - biting the bullet on that as 
well. 



If desired by the management, I can bring the current 2005.0 universal 
install.iso and the highly experimental Gentoo-RR4-LiveCD-2.30.iso boot 
disks. The latter has the Reiser4 file system and a few other bleeding edge 
goodies. To say nothing of about 4 desktops for play^H^H^H^H experiment and 
discovery.


There is also an up to date - I'll sync that day - portage tree and a few 
( ~2.5 GB ) distfiles, together with http and rsync servers for same.
 


Sure, guys. The more the merrier, distros included.

Just be aware Chris, if there's not much happening, you could be 
appearing on the big screen :-)


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GNU/Linux Users workshop 4/8/5

[Richard Tindall]

Hi folks. Next Thursday, August 4th is the next  GLU workshop. The 
format is the same as last month: Linux Beginners Q&A + installs (people 
seemed to enjoy that). So if you want some tips on your setup, or help 
to get Linux running, this is another chance. Just let us know if you're 
bringing a computer along please. All contributors welcome.


Details: 7.30pm 4/8/5, Sydenham Community Association Hall, 25 Hutcheson 
Street, Christchurch.


Also, there will be flyers for people to take away for friends, shop 
windows, libraries, noticeboards, etc to promote Software Freedom Day 
<http://www.softwarefreedomday.org> arriving on 10 Sept. We will make a 
master list of sites to cover the wider city area.


So if you're wanting to see a higher profile for FOSS, and more users 
involved with GNU and Linux, your help would be most appreciated.


Kind regards, Rik

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Re: Anti-Tip

[Richard Tindall]

Martin Bähr wrote:


On Wed, Jul 27, 2005 at 10:13:54AM +1200, Michael JasonSmith wrote:
 


/usr/libexec/xscreensaver/phosphor -program /bin/bash



try using an editor in it.
then try vi, and then try ed, and see how you'll appreciate the less
visual style when editing.
 


Nano works well, + tab completion :-)

Can one make it full screen?

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