Re: Lightweight Desktop Help.
Ben Duncan wrote: Ok, tried to load SuSe 8.2 on a P 150MHZ with 80MB ram and a 4GB hard disk ... needless to say, WAY OVERKILL for the poor old machine. Need some sort of distro that can: A: Includes the Gcc compiler/Python/Perl/etc ... B: Will work on such a weak machine (hmmm a few years ago we thought that kinda power was studly ...) This machine, is more or less, going to be a Terminal on steriods. Needs to have a desktop, and I need to have Open Office on it. I'd say go for Slackware. It doesn't include OpenOffice, but it runs it just fine plus it's relatively optimized. If not Slackware, Debian (unless you're willing to waste your time compiling Gentoo ;)) Slackware does contain most of the WMs you might want to try out, plus I love the speed of the installer (yeah I know the others have text-mode installers, I just haven't used them because I've only installed stuff on fast machines. But really, a complete install of Redhat took 4 hrs. on one machine, whereas a complete install of Slackware on the same machine took 1 hr. plus configuration). Bob Raymond ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Re: Lightweight Desktop Help.
Quoth Ben Duncan: I need to any recommendations on a -easy- to configure, resource light desktop manager. Need to add and run Open Office, some email programs, and a terminal emulation. The ABSOLUTE lightest window manager, which ships with most ALL XFree sources is... TADAH... TAB WINDOW MANAGER. Look in /etc/X11/twm for the original config script. It's the heart and soul of the startx script. A really good source for TWM information and configuration scripts is at:http://www.plig.org/xwinman/vtwm.html If you're after the smallest possible, fastest and easiest to configure window manager... then this is it. Where I work, I admin about 80 or 90 laptops, most of which run the TWM. Perfect for a low horse power box or a high horse power server, etc... Cheers. -- ** Registered Linux User Number 185956 http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=ensafe=offgroup=linux Join me in chat at #linux-users on irc.freenode.net This email account no longers accepts attachments or messages containing html. 8:15am up 31 days, 13:08, 7 users, load average: 0.13, 0.10, 0.03 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
tar vs cp
It's from a how-to on converting a root partition to xfs. what does the following command do? mount -t ext2 /dev/hda6 /mnt cd / tar lvcf - . | (cd /mnt ; tar xpvf -) can I use cp -a to achieve what the tar did? -- .~.Might, Courage, Vision. In Linux We Trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.22 ^ ^10:24pm up 2 days, 4:20, 1 user, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 0.97 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Lightweight Distro (Was Re: Lightweight Desktop Help.)
Quoth Ben Duncan: Ok, tried to load SuSe 8.2 on a P 150MHZ with 80MB ram and a 4GB hard disk ... needless to say, WAY OVERKILL for the poor old machine. Need some sort of distro that can: A: Includes the Gcc compiler/Python/Perl/etc ... B: Will work on such a weak machine (hmmm a few years ago we thought that kinda power was studly ...) This machine, is more or less, going to be a Terminal on steriods. Needs to have a desktop, and I need to have Open Office on it. I am open to suggestions? Perhaps Knoppix ? Slackware. Kurt -- I really hate this damned machine I wish that they would sell it. It never does quite what I want But only what I tell it. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Acroread: Why it won't open documents
Just in case you have this problem. I downloaded acrobat reader from the lindows warehouse (Debian system). It wouldn't open valid pdf documents or items linked on the internet. As usual, knowing bash helps. which acroread shows that the acroread command is really a script: #!/bin/bash cd ~/MyDocuments /usr/Acrobat5/bin/acroread $* The person who wrote this script must never have tried to use it. Two errors in this script prevent acroread from working. First, it always looks for the documents in MyDocuments. Secondly, it can't handle blanks in file names. This script works: #!/bin/bash # cd ~/MyDocuments /usr/Acrobat5/bin/acroread $* Geez. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Lightweight Distro (Was Re: Lightweight Desktop Help.)
Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Ben Duncan: Ok, tried to load SuSe 8.2 on a P 150MHZ with 80MB ram and a 4GB hard disk ... needless to say, WAY OVERKILL for the poor old machine. Need some sort of distro that can: A: Includes the Gcc compiler/Python/Perl/etc ... B: Will work on such a weak machine (hmmm a few years ago we thought that kinda power was studly ...) This machine, is more or less, going to be a Terminal on steriods. Needs to have a desktop, and I need to have Open Office on it. I am open to suggestions? Perhaps Knoppix ? Slackware. Kurt Ditto - Slackware. So far this year eight converts and all on Slackware. I have to rebuild or cp over /etc on one of those converts this weekend. I knew it was a little too early to tell her about rm, dang! -- Ted Ozolins (VE7TVO) Westbank, B. C. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Re: Lightweight Distro (Was Re: Lightweight Desktop Help.)
Immediate response to slackware: MIKIE LIKESIT !! First time I have tried it, So far, SO REALLY GOOD. Will hafta inform all when install gets done ... Ted Ozolins wrote: Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Ben Duncan: Ok, tried to load SuSe 8.2 on a P 150MHZ with 80MB ram and a 4GB hard disk ... needless to say, WAY OVERKILL for the poor old machine. Need some sort of distro that can: A: Includes the Gcc compiler/Python/Perl/etc ... B: Will work on such a weak machine (hmmm a few years ago we thought that kinda power was studly ...) This machine, is more or less, going to be a Terminal on steriods. Needs to have a desktop, and I need to have Open Office on it. I am open to suggestions? Perhaps Knoppix ? Slackware. Kurt Ditto - Slackware. So far this year eight converts and all on Slackware. I have to rebuild or cp over /etc on one of those converts this weekend. I knew it was a little too early to tell her about rm, dang! -- Ben Duncan Phone (601)-355-2574 Fax (601)-355-2573 Cell (601)-946-1220 Business Network Solutions 336 Elton Road Jackson MS, 39212 Software is like Sex, it is better when it's free - Linus Torvalds ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Lightweight Distro (Was Re: Lightweight Desktop Help.)
Need some sort of distro that can: A: Includes the Gcc compiler/Python/Perl/etc ... B: Will work on such a weak machine (hmmm a few years ago we thought that kinda power was studly ...) Libranet 2.8.1 Debian, using IceWM of XFCE (my preference). -- Leon A. Goldstein Powered by Libranet 2.8 Debian Linux System G2 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Re: Acroread: Why it won't open documents
does one need to pay Lindows to access her warehouse? I downloaded acrobat reader from the lindows warehouse (Debian system). It wouldn't open valid pdf documents or items linked on the internet. -- .~.Might, Courage, Vision. In Linux We Trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.22 ^ ^12:18am up 2 days, 6:14, 1 user, load average: 3.84, 3.44, 2.55 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Acroread: Why it won't open documents
It turns out that there is a third bug in the vendor supplied startup script. It is in the third line. If you make a link on your desktop to this command, and click on the link, you always get an error since $* is null. So, changing the script again: #!/bin/bash # cd ~/MyDocuments [ -z $* ] /usr/Acrobat5/bin/acroread || /usr/Acrobat5/bin/acroread $* Joel On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 09:57:37AM -0500, Joel Hammer wrote: Just in case you have this problem. I downloaded acrobat reader from the lindows warehouse (Debian system). It wouldn't open valid pdf documents or items linked on the internet. As usual, knowing bash helps. which acroread shows that the acroread command is really a script: #!/bin/bash cd ~/MyDocuments /usr/Acrobat5/bin/acroread $* The person who wrote this script must never have tried to use it. Two errors in this script prevent acroread from working. First, it always looks for the documents in MyDocuments. Secondly, it can't handle blanks in file names. This script works: #!/bin/bash # cd ~/MyDocuments /usr/Acrobat5/bin/acroread $* Geez. Joel ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Lightweight Distro (Was Re: Lightweight Desktop Help.)
Quoth Ben Duncan: Immediate response to slackware: MIKIE LIKESIT !! Knew you would. It's kind a retro, as Linux distributions go, but my experience is that it leaves you close to the metal and doesn't install a bunch of crap you don't need. First time I have tried it, So far, SO REALLY GOOD. Will hafta inform all when install gets done ... Welcome to the re-revolution. ;-) Kurt -- Schwiggle, n.: The amusing rotation of one's bottom while sharpening a pencil. -- Rich Hall, Sniglets ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Re: Lightweight Desktop Help.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On November 1, 2003 07:05 am, Jerry McBride wrote: Quoth Ben Duncan: I need to any recommendations on a -easy- to configure, resource light desktop manager. Need to add and run Open Office, some email programs, and a terminal emulation. The ABSOLUTE lightest window manager, which ships with most ALL XFree sources is... TADAH... TAB WINDOW MANAGER. Look in /etc/X11/twm for the original config script. It's the heart and soul of the startx script. A really good source for TWM information and configuration scripts is at:http://www.plig.org/xwinman/vtwm.html If you're after the smallest possible, fastest and easiest to configure window manager... then this is it. Where I work, I admin about 80 or 90 laptops, most of which run the TWM. Perfect for a low horse power box or a high horse power server, etc... Cheers. I can't argue with that :) - -- Myles Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slackware-9.1 + Ice WM 1.2.13 - -- Alberta Mirror for Linux-SxS.org http://linux-sxs.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/o/Bmi01fops1CsoRAhOuAJ9+MqVCUlLly3OcjKLHnBEkc+XoQACfVYBa tSc+TvU/GYj1haGvvSiE8i8= =80GI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
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Re: tar vs cp
Quoth M.W. Chang: It's from a how-to on converting a root partition to xfs. what does the following command do? mount -t ext2 /dev/hda6 /mnt Mount the ext2 file system on /dev/hda6 at /mnt cd / Obvious. tar lvcf - . | (cd /mnt ; tar xpvf -) Invoke tar on the current directory (.) without recursing outside of the current directory's file system (l) and verbosely (v) create (c) an archive, sending the output to stdout (f -), which output is piped into the subprocess specified between the (). That subprocess first makes /mnt its current working directory (cd /mnt) then invokes tar *in /mnt* to extract (x) the archive file read from stdin (f -), saving file permissions on files in the extracted archive (p). can I use cp -a to achieve what the tar did? No -- cp will be considerably slower than tar. Kurt -- Condense soup, not books! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: tar vs cp
it's the - that I didn't understand. thanks. so tar will always back up the permissions and ownership with c ? tar lvcf - . | (cd /mnt ; tar xpvf -) Invoke tar on the current directory (.) without recursing outside of the current directory's file system (l) and verbosely (v) create (c) an archive, sending the output to stdout (f -), which output is piped into the subprocess specified between the (). That subprocess first makes /mnt its current working directory (cd /mnt) then invokes tar *in /mnt* to extract (x) the archive file read from stdin (f -), saving file permissions on files in the extracted archive (p). cp may be slow, but can achieve the same result right? or may cp -xa / /mnt? can I use cp -a to achieve what the tar did? No -- cp will be considerably slower than tar. -- .~.Might, Courage, Vision. In Linux We Trust. / v \ http://www.linux-sxs.org /( _ )\ Linux 2.4.22 ^ ^3:14am up 2 days, 9:10, 1 user, load average: 4.10, 3.99, 3.00 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SUSE 9.0 is out now
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:22:46 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested to know if the driver for wireless lan cards using the ACX100 chipset from TI is included. I have added the driver by hand to 8.2 but would love to see it properly integrated in 9 so it starts nicely on system boot. I eagerly await your findings. Less cd's less games and other stuff. install software cl4eaned up and now into groups. loads ok and then runs fine. Nothin special here. -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Linux Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Linux in Dallas at the SEG
I was in Dallas this week for the Society of Exploration Geophysicists meeting. A few interesting Unix/Linux items to report. I spoke with the guys in the Sun booth about their desktop (Mad Hatter). It is currently certified for Suse, though Redhat is in the works. Curiously, Landmark (one of the two big geophysical workstation software houses - part of Halliburton) requires Redhat 7.3, if you can imagine. A lot of version and distro issues in this space. High end 3D graphics apps are pretty sensitive to version and hardware, and I predict that will slow Linux in displacing Sun in this space. I also spoke with a Schlumberger subsidiary, Petrel, that sells a very popular Windows reservoir modeling front end. I asked if it would run under Wine, and they told me that they were finishing up their Linux port. Everyone had nice Beowulf or LSF clusters : Sun, IBM, and a bunch of new Linux startups. I got a clear impression that people are becoming quite disenchanted with the Itanium 64 bit chip, and are moving to the AMD Opteron 64 bit for clusters. IBM had a rather nice blade system which could take whatever you want, AMD, Intel, or other. And I saw a Sun system perform much like an SGI. So things are continuing to progress. Old news perhaps, but Linux was very much in evidence. Companies that had been trying to port to Windows have dropped that and gone to Linux instead. The basic reasoning is If I want cheap hardware, why not do the easy port to Linux instead of the hard port to Windows?. -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux in Dallas at the SEG
Quoth Alan Jackson: [...] the AMD Opteron 64 bit for clusters. IBM had a rather nice blade system which could take whatever you want, AMD, Intel, or other. And I saw a Sun system perform much like an SGI. So things are continuing to progress. Stupid question: What exactly is a blade server? Kurt -- It may be bad manners to talk with your mouth full, but it isn't too good either if you speak when your head is empty. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux in Dallas at the SEG
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003, Kurt Wall wrote: Quoth Alan Jackson: [...] the AMD Opteron 64 bit for clusters. IBM had a rather nice blade system which could take whatever you want, AMD, Intel, or other. And I saw a Sun system perform much like an SGI. So things are continuing to progress. Stupid question: What exactly is a blade server? A server that plugs into a 3u or 4u rack chassis (perhaps even 2u) allowing very high numbers of servers in a rack. The term ``blade'' has been pretty common with routers and modem racks where it refers to devices that plug into a large chassis, sharing common power supplies and backplanes. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``The Income Tax has made more Liars out of American people than Golf has.'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux in Dallas at the SEG
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:21:22 -0600 Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was in Dallas this week for the Society of Exploration Geophysicists meeting. A few interesting Unix/Linux items to report. Thanks, Alan, there are some encouraging things here. Terence ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Linux in Dallas at the SEG
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:21:33 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoth Alan Jackson: [...] the AMD Opteron 64 bit for clusters. IBM had a rather nice blade system which could take whatever you want, AMD, Intel, or other. And I saw a Sun system perform much like an SGI. So things are continuing to progress. Stupid question: What exactly is a blade server? Don't know *exactly*, but I think it's basically a sort of rack-mount chassis into which you can plug many (dozens) of self-contained cpus (blades) IBM's blades were about the size of a paperback - each one had dual cpus, a lot of memory, and plug into a high-speed bus. People worry about floor-space, power consumption, cooling, price, and capability. Trick is to find the right balance of all those for your application. Ahh... google is my friend... http://search390.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid10_gci770169,00.html A blade server is a thin, modular electronic circuit board, containing one, two, or more microprocessors and memory, that is intended for a single, dedicated application (such as serving Web pages) and that can be easily inserted into a space-saving rack with many similar servers. One product offering, for example, makes it possible to install up to 280 blade server modules vertically in multiple racks or rows of a single floor-standing cabinet. Blade servers, which share a common high-speed bus, are designed to create less heat and thus save energy costs as well as space. Large data centers and Internet service providers (ISPs) that host Web sites are among companies most likely to buy blade servers. A blade server is sometimes referred to as a high-density server and is typically used in a clustering of servers that are dedicated to a single task, such as: * file sharing * Web page serving and caching * SSL encrypting of Web communication * transcoding of Web page content for smaller displays * Streaming audio and video content Like most clustering applications, blade servers can also be managed to include load balancing and failover capabilities. A blade server usually comes with an operating system and the application program to which it is dedicated already on the board. Individual blade servers are usually hot-pluggable and come in various heights, including 5.25 inches (the 3U model), 1.75 inches (1U), and possibly sub-U sizes. (A U is a standard measure of vertical height in an equipment cabinet and is equal to 1.75 inches.) Also see brick server and pizza box server. -- --- | Alan K. Jackson| To see a World in a Grain of Sand | | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | And a Heaven in a Wild Flower, | | www.ajackson.org | Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand | | Houston, Texas | And Eternity in an hour. - Blake | --- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: ADMIN: DNS changes
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Re: Acroread: Why it won't open documents
Yes. There is a yearly fee. I am not sure if it is worth it, but, for a rich sloth like me, its OK. Joel On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 12:19:38AM +0800, M.W. Chang wrote: does one need to pay Lindows to access her warehouse? ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
