Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. So that raises a question. What application can replace rpm and provide dependency resolution? Suggestions anyone. -- James McDonald Singleton Australia 61+ (0)2 65712401 61+ 0428 320 219 Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth. Or by misleading the innocent. -- Spock and McCoy, And The Children Shall Lead, stardate 5029.5. Linux 2.4.22 #1 Mon Sep 1 20:03:11 EST 2003 athlon i386 GNU/Linux 23:25:00 up 6 days, 21:26, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.06, 0.01 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:27:17 +1000 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. So that raises a question. What application can replace rpm and provide dependency resolution? Suggestions anyone. Look at: http://www.gentoo.org Keeps my home machine up-to-date. I never go looking for things to fulfill dependencies. Gentoo does that for me. But it is a distribution, not just a package manager. In some sense, for Gentoo these are two aspects of the same thing. I installed Gentoo a year ago and the package system keeps my system up to date. I do not need to reinstall Gentoo to have the latest release. It is worth the effort to set up. -- ++···+ · Roger Oberholtzer · E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]· · OPQ Systems AB · WWW: http://www.opq.se/ · · Erik Dahlbergsgatan 41-43 ·Phone: Int + 46 8 314223 · · 115 34 Stockholm · Mobile: Int + 46 733 621657 · · Sweden · Fax: Int + 46 8 302602 · ++···+ ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:27:17 +1000 James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. So that raises a question. What application can replace rpm and provide dependency resolution? Suggestions anyone. As far as I know, there is no hope for RPM based distros. gentoo (portage), debian (apt-get), slackware (suaret), or the xxxBSD (ports) are the only possibilities that I'm aware of. I failed to mention the other borken problem with RPM. RPM insists on looking at system libraries only from the perspective of a spec file instead of detecting the existing libraries, so RPMs have to be designed for a specific distro. With this particular flaw, I find it amazing the the LSB has accepted RPM as the package manager to support! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
On 10/10/2003 9:27 AM, I believe that James McDonald wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. So that raises a question. What application can replace rpm and provide dependency resolution? Suggestions anyone. apt4rpm ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
James McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:27:17 +1000 Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. So that raises a question. What application can replace rpm and provide dependency resolution? Suggestions anyone. I am probably confused, but isn't this an issue that apt-get is supposed to fix? -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:56 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/10/2003 9:27 AM, I believe that James McDonald wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. So that raises a question. What application can replace rpm and provide dependency resolution? Suggestions anyone. apt4rpm Tell us more! Does apt4rpm really run the dependancy chains and download prerequisites? That would make RPM almost tolerable. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
On 10/10/2003 12:42 PM, I believe that Collins Richey wrote: On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:51:56 -0400 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/10/2003 9:27 AM, I believe that James McDonald wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. So that raises a question. What application can replace rpm and provide dependency resolution? Suggestions anyone. apt4rpm Tell us more! Does apt4rpm really run the dependancy chains and download prerequisites? That would make RPM almost tolerable. Yes. I was using it to keep kde updated, mostly. I got into a little trouble executing 'apt-get dist-upgrade', which broke gdm for me, but other than that, it's been quite a good experience. For GUI lovers, there's synaptic, which uses apt. Info redargding apt4rpm for redhat can be found at http://freshrpms.net and/or on the kde-redhat site, http://kde-redhat.sf.net Regards, Tim ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
Info redargding apt4rpm for redhat can be found at http://freshrpms.net and/or on the kde-redhat site, http://kde-redhat.sf.net Regards, Tim I just installed apt4rpm and it rocks the synaptic gui is ok too. But it's probably best if you have broadband. Linux Magazine had an article on it recently once you install it's a simple matter to update your system apt-get check apt-get update apt-get ugrade and your done. -- James McDonald Singleton Australia 61+ (0)2 65712401 61+ 0428 320 219 People who make no mistakes do not usually make anything. Linux 2.4.22 #1 Mon Sep 1 20:03:11 EST 2003 athlon i386 GNU/Linux 15:30:00 up 7 days, 13:31, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.08, 0.20 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:36 -0500 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: I love it! Will file this away. RPM, like any other software product, has syntax that must be learned. That being said, any package manager that does not do dependancy resolution is borken, from my perspective. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Stupid RPM, or just me???
Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: # rpm --rebuilddb error: db4 error(16) from dbenv-remove: Device or resource busy # ls wxGTK-2.4.1-1.i386.rpm wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm wxGTK-devel-2.4.1-1.i386.rpm wxGTK-devel-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm # rpm -i wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm package wxGTK-2.4.2-1 is already installed # rpm -e wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm error: package wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm is not installed # rpm -i wxGTK-2.4.1-1.i386.rpm (note the version change) package wxGTK-2.4.2-1 (which is newer than wxGTK-2.4.1-1) is already installed Hoping I'm doing something really dumb ... Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
Leave off the .i386.rpm on the commands and see what happens. I haven't used RPM for a while but you don't want the .i386.rpm on there. Michael Hipp wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: # rpm --rebuilddb error: db4 error(16) from dbenv-remove: Device or resource busy # ls wxGTK-2.4.1-1.i386.rpm wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm wxGTK-devel-2.4.1-1.i386.rpm wxGTK-devel-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm # rpm -i wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm package wxGTK-2.4.2-1 is already installed # rpm -e wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm error: package wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm is not installed # rpm -i wxGTK-2.4.1-1.i386.rpm (note the version change) package wxGTK-2.4.2-1 (which is newer than wxGTK-2.4.1-1) is already installed Hoping I'm doing something really dumb ... Michael -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
On Tuesday 07 October 2003 7:25 pm, someone claiming to be Michael Hipp wrote: Could somebody tell me what I'm doing wrong, or is RPM a Microsoft conspiracy to make Linux look bad: # rpm --rebuilddb error: db4 error(16) from dbenv-remove: Device or resource busy # ls wxGTK-2.4.1-1.i386.rpm wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm wxGTK-devel-2.4.1-1.i386.rpm wxGTK-devel-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm # rpm -i wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm package wxGTK-2.4.2-1 is already installed # rpm -e wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm error: package wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm is not installed # rpm -i wxGTK-2.4.1-1.i386.rpm (note the version change) package wxGTK-2.4.2-1 (which is newer than wxGTK-2.4.1-1) is already installed Hoping I'm doing something really dumb ... rpm --rebuildb shouldn't error out like that. What's 'ps -ax|grep rpm' tell you? And, yes, Brett's right, lose the .i386.rpm, 'rpm -e wxGTK-2.4.2-1' is all you need. rpm wants to remove by package name, and it told you what that was when it said package wxGTK-2.4.2-1 is already installed Regards, Tim -- RedHat 8.0 Kernel 2.4.20-20.8, KDE 3.1.3, Xfree86 4.2.1 7:40pm up 2 days, 21:32, 1 user, load average: 0.34, 0.35, 0.23 It's what you learn after you know it all that counts ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
That works. Thanks. And I feel dumb for not figuring it out. But why would anyone in their right mind design it so that one of these works, but the other doesn't? rpm -i wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm rpm -e wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm Back to my sandbox ... Michael Brett I. Holcomb wrote: Leave off the .i386.rpm on the commands and see what happens. I haven't used RPM for a while but you don't want the .i386.rpm on there. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
Michael Hipp wrote: # rpm --rebuilddb error: db4 error(16) from dbenv-remove: Device or resource busy ps ax | grep rpm is clean. And the above command was even issued from a fresh reboot. Looked for a lock file, couldn't find one. Anyone know what the error might mean? (Original posters email disappeared, sorry.) Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Hipp wrote: | That works. Thanks. And I feel dumb for not figuring it out. | | But why would anyone in their right mind design it so that one of these | works, but the other doesn't? | | rpm -i wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm | rpm -e wxGTK-2.4.2-1.i386.rpm | Because -i installs a package set and -e uninstalls a package name, e.g. one is a bundle of files and one is already extracted which is recorded in the rpm database. Same as you can't tar -zxvf a .tar file but you can a .tar.gz file, since the .gz hasn't been gunzipped yet.. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 6:15pm up 6 days, 23:40, 9 users, load average: 1.05, 1.15, 1.40 - - Have you noticed the way people's intelligence capabilities decline sharply the minute they start waving guns around? -- Dr. Who - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/g1h/idHQ0m/kEssRAuAfAJ9uUmZD0PjKqaeRNxFt7Gkf/sWxPwCfQVIM 8982CqfRlkM9xDiKyIcYeWw= =KFv7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
Andrew Mathews wrote: Because -i installs a package set and -e uninstalls a package name, e.g. one is a bundle of files and one is already extracted which is recorded in the rpm database. Same as you can't tar -zxvf a .tar file but you can a .tar.gz file, since the .gz hasn't been gunzipped yet.. Yes. One is a file name and the other is a package name. But given that there is a 1:1 relationship between the two, would it have been such a burden to have it figure out such things on its own? Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Michael Hipp wrote: Michael Hipp wrote: # rpm --rebuilddb error: db4 error(16) from dbenv-remove: Device or resource busy ps ax | grep rpm is clean. And the above command was even issued from a fresh reboot. Looked for a lock file, couldn't find one. Anyone know what the error might mean? Google is your friend: http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=from%20dbenv-%3Eremove%3A%20Device%20or%20resource%20busysafe=offie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8lr=num=50hl=en -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
Net Llama! wrote: On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Michael Hipp wrote: Michael Hipp wrote: # rpm --rebuilddb error: db4 error(16) from dbenv-remove: Device or resource busy ps ax | grep rpm is clean. And the above command was even issued from a fresh reboot. Looked for a lock file, couldn't find one. Anyone know what the error might mean? Google is your friend: http://groups.google.com/groups?as_epq=from%20dbenv-%3Eremove%3A%20Device%20or%20resource%20busysafe=offie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8lr=num=50hl=en Thank you. Evidently it is some quirk with the rpm version in RH9, but appears it can be safely ignored. Michael ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Stupid RPM, or just me???
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael Hipp wrote: | Andrew Mathews wrote: | | Because -i installs a package set and -e uninstalls a package name, e.g. | one is a bundle of files and one is already extracted which is | recorded in the rpm database. Same as you can't tar -zxvf a .tar file | but you can a .tar.gz file, since the .gz hasn't been gunzipped yet.. | | | Yes. One is a file name and the other is a package name. But given that | there is a 1:1 relationship between the two, would it have been such a | burden to have it figure out such things on its own? | | Michael | Actually it wouldn't be as easy as you make it sound. Consider that several distributions are RPM based, all having different placement of the specific files. A Mandrake package (.mdk) will be at least 50% different from RedHat, as will one built using rpmbuild for a different distro. Including *every* possible permutation of where these possibilities could be is not logical to include with an rpm package, thus it leaves it up to the system to track where it scatters the associated files in the rpm database. Thus a package that's say 100k in size would at least double in size just to add all the extra database info that is taken care of automatically at install time. Keeps the packages smaller, more easily distributed, and efficient. A very good tradeoff for a small naming convention inconvenience. - -- Andrew Mathews - - ~ 8:20pm up 7 days, 1:45, 9 users, load average: 1.05, 1.22, 1.27 - - MATH AND ALCOHOL DON'T MIX! Please, don't drink and derive. Mathematicians Against Drunk Deriving - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Netscape - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/g3d9idHQ0m/kEssRAgUvAJ0XtPqWpWIdMgJM1OfhcEk6QSEHtwCfcIOR z1YJnVolDDh/FCsjNdja4iE= =TzGf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://smtp.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
