Re: from an sco press release today
HITLER. HITLER HITLER HITLER. Now can we stop this entire thread, please, or at the very least move it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, Joel Hammer wrote: Actually, it was worse. It seems they asked for recounts without any clear criteria for recounting ballots. That was the famous hanging chad debate. That was what the Supremes declared unconstitutional. Which is surprising, because I would have thought a compelling need to elect a Democrat would have outweighed the concept of equal protection under the law, but, dear me, this is getting OT. Of course, many people forget that GB won every recount, machine and manual, including one done by the media after the election. How soon they forget. Joel On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:27:30PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:13:12 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Excuse me? I thought the only thing he did for algore was to push him to questionable election practices (recounting only certain districts) that the Supremes had to resolve. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
from an sco press release today
SCO Says IBM's Amended Complaint, Based on GPL, is Built on a Shaky Foundation LINDON, Utah-September 29, 2003-The SCO Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: SCOX) today made the following announcement: On Friday, September 26, IBM filed an amendment to its legal complaint against The SCO Group. In this amended complaint IBM asserts that SCO has violated the GNU General Public License (GPL), and based on this violation has then violated certain IBM copyrights. IBM, not SCO, has brought the GPL into the legal controversy between the two companies. SCO believes that the GPL -- created by the Free Software Foundation to supplant current U.S. copyright laws -- is a shaky foundation on which to build a legal case. By contrast, SCO continues to base its legal claims on well-settled United States contract laws and United States copyright laws. The GPL has never faced a full legal test, and SCO believes that it will not stand up in court. We are confident that SCO will win the legal battle that IBM has now started over the GPL. By so strongly defending the controversial GPL, IBM is also defending a questionable licensing scheme through which it can avoid providing software indemnification for its customers. We continue to urge IBM to provide legal indemnification for its Linux customers. -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 11:11, dep wrote: SCO Says IBM's Amended Complaint, Based on GPL, is Built on a Shaky Foundation LINDON, Utah-September 29, 2003-The SCO Group, Inc. (NASDAQ: SCOX) today made the following announcement: On Friday, September 26, IBM filed an amendment to its legal complaint against The SCO Group. In this amended complaint IBM asserts that SCO has violated the GNU General Public License (GPL), and based on this violation has then violated certain IBM copyrights. IBM, not SCO, has brought the GPL into the legal controversy between the two companies. SCO believes that the GPL -- created by the Free Software Foundation to supplant current U.S. copyright laws -- is a shaky foundation on which to build a legal case. By contrast, SCO continues to base its legal claims on well-settled United States contract laws and United States copyright laws. The GPL has never faced a full legal test, and SCO believes that it will not stand up in court. We are confident that SCO will win the legal battle that IBM has now started over the GPL. By so strongly defending the controversial GPL, IBM is also defending a questionable licensing scheme through which it can avoid providing software indemnification for its customers. We continue to urge IBM to provide legal indemnification for its Linux customers. Ballocks -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
quoth burns: | Ballocks i pretty much agree with you, but what i thought was significant was a company, in court, saying that the gpl won't hold up. this is what we've been waiting for and to some extent feared (court is always a crap shoot, usually with a bunch of highly paid guys shooting nothing but) for some time. it cranks up the stakes considerably -- a *whole lot* is going to be riding on this particular roll of the dice. that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. -- dep Whatever law is after, it is not the whole story. -- Clifford Geertz ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, dep wrote: quoth burns: | Ballocks i pretty much agree with you, but what i thought was significant was a company, in court, saying that the gpl won't hold up. this is what we've been waiting for and to some extent feared (court is always a crap shoot, usually with a bunch of highly paid guys shooting nothing but) for some time. it cranks up the stakes considerably -- a *whole lot* is going to be riding on this particular roll of the dice. that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. And M$. -- ~~ Lonni J Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step TyGeMo http://netllama.ipfox.com ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:13:12 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Excuse me? I thought the only thing he did for algore was to push him to questionable election practices (recounting only certain districts) that the Supremes had to resolve. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 20:13, dep wrote: i pretty much agree with you, but what i thought was significant was a company, in court, saying that the gpl won't hold up. this is what we've been waiting for and to some extent feared (court is always a crap shoot, usually with a bunch of highly paid guys shooting nothing but) for some time. it cranks up the stakes considerably -- a *whole lot* is going to be riding on this particular roll of the dice. that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Interesting that IBM's market cap is almost the same as that of SCO *except in Billions instead of millions*! There is no doubt that this is getting up the nose of the folks in Big Blue, big time. They could easily buy SCO with IBM lunch money, but at this point I'm pretty certain they don't want to give SCO the satisfaction. Instead they probably plan to drive them into the ground by litigating them all the way down into a Chapter 11. Good, they deserve it, the slime balls. IBM has basically bet the farm on Linux, they cannot afford to lose and will not allow Linux or Open Source to be emperilled by the Lunatics from Lindon. You know, it's impossible to see what's going on, understanding what has also probably put things in motion behind the scenes, and stay neutral. -- burns ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
Quoth Collins Richey: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:13:12 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Excuse me? I thought the only thing he did for algore was to push him to questionable election practices (recounting only certain districts) that the Supremes had to resolve. That was the point. Kurt -- It has been said that man is a rational animal. All my life I have been searching for evidence which could support this. -- Bertrand Russell ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
Quoth Net Llama!: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003, dep wrote: quoth burns: | Ballocks i pretty much agree with you, but what i thought was significant was a company, in court, saying that the gpl won't hold up. this is what we've been waiting for and to some extent feared (court is always a crap shoot, usually with a bunch of highly paid guys shooting nothing but) for some time. it cranks up the stakes considerably -- a *whole lot* is going to be riding on this particular roll of the dice. that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. And M$. Erm, I presume you meant for for the US Justice Department aginst MS. Kurt -- Any fool can paint a picture, but it takes a wise person to be able to sell it. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
Actually, it was worse. It seems they asked for recounts without any clear criteria for recounting ballots. That was the famous hanging chad debate. That was what the Supremes declared unconstitutional. Which is surprising, because I would have thought a compelling need to elect a Democrat would have outweighed the concept of equal protection under the law, but, dear me, this is getting OT. Of course, many people forget that GB won every recount, machine and manual, including one done by the media after the election. How soon they forget. Joel On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 07:27:30PM -0600, Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:13:12 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Excuse me? I thought the only thing he did for algore was to push him to questionable election practices (recounting only certain districts) that the Supremes had to resolve. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
Joel Hammer wrote: How soon they forget. Don't get me started! but, dear me, this is getting OT. -- Ken ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:27:30 -0600 On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:13:12 -0400 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that having been said, i have every confidence in the ability of david boies to do for sco what he did for algore. Excuse me? I thought the only thing he did for algore was to push him to questionable election practices (recounting only certain districts) that the Supremes had to resolve. I think that was the point. This guy does for law what a frightened octopus does to water as far as clarity is concerned. He did get M$ labeled as a monopoly. That was effective. -- Alma ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: from an sco press release today
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:45:53 -0400 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, it was worse. Yep, time to retire this thread or move to general. The gentleman with the mustache will appear any time now! -- Collins Richey - Denver Area if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the worries of tomorrow, you have no today to be thankful for. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://mail.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
