Re: gentoo news and ramblings

2002-03-16 Thread Collins

On Sat, 16 Mar 2002 09:55:19 -0500 Bill Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:> On Friday 15 March 2002 11:34 pm, Rick Sivernell wrote:
> > Collins
> >
> >Nice job, lots of good stuff. I love this xfce, and things made
> >by kde even work better. Sooner or later I will get around to
> >building a desceant IDE system for c++ java python & scripts. In
> >the process of some lower level stuff now. But this cillege
> >degree crap is cramping my real love, software development & my
> >wife.
> >
> > cheers
> 
> Do they teach you to spell in cillege
> 

I thank I fayulled that kourse 

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Re: gentoo news and ramblings

2002-03-16 Thread Bill Davidson

On Friday 15 March 2002 11:34 pm, Rick Sivernell wrote:
> Collins
>
>Nice job, lots of good stuff. I love this xfce, and things made by
> kde even work better. Sooner or later I will get around to building a
> desceant IDE system for c++ java python & scripts. In the process of
> some lower level stuff now. But this cillege degree crap is cramping my
> real love, software development & my wife.
>
> cheers

Do they teach you to spell in cillege

Bill

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Re: gentoo news and ramblings

2002-03-16 Thread Collins

On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:53:26 -0700 Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, I haven't sent out any gentoo "propaganda" in a while, so here
> goes.
> 
 
A few after thoughts:

1) Boy did I leave the typos in that one!  Those guys who complained
about one typo in the elx installer will send this directly to the plonk
file 

2) gentoo is still officially billed as a distro for sysadmins. 
Nevertheless, a lot of sheer newbies are trying it lately, mostly with
success.  If you have been lurking on this list for a while, know how to
partition a disk, and know how to add a user to your system and change
your password (or at least how to read the man files, since I can never
remember that trick very long), you can do this, too.

3) I'm currently using about 1.5 Gig out of a 5 Gig partition, and I
have gnome, kde, and OpenOffice, Netscape, and Mozilla installed (all
big hitters for space), so I have lots of room to grow.  gentoo leaves
the source (.tbz files) for all installs onboard, but you can remove
them manually, as I have done.  I would recommend 3-4 Gig for your
install.

Enjoy,
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Re: gentoo news and ramblings

2002-03-15 Thread Rick Sivernell

Collins

   Nice job, lots of good stuff. I love this xfce, and things made by kde even
work better. Sooner or later I will get around to building a desceant IDE system
for c++ java python & scripts. In the process of some lower level stuff now. But 
this cillege degree crap is cramping my real love, software development & my wife.

cheers

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Re: gentoo news and ramblings

2002-03-15 Thread Ken Moffat

On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 12:53:26 -0700
Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, I haven't sent out any gentoo "propaganda" in a while, so here
> goes.
> 

> Here are my results:
> 


Excellent review! Thanks.

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gentoo news and ramblings

2002-03-15 Thread Collins

Well, I haven't sent out any gentoo "propaganda" in a while, so here
goes.

When I rebuilt my PC a couple of months ago (gave the wife my older,
slower PC), I put up my favorites - FreeBSD, elx linux, and gentoo.  I
had a few problems with FreeBSD that I wasn't interested in pursuing, so
elx became my day-to-day system.  As in the past, elx installed without
a hitch, but it is slightly slower than the average distro (totally
subjective).

With gentoo, I encountered nothing that I couldn't find a solution for,
and I now have every piec of hardware and software that I'm interested
in working flawlessly, so maybe others would be interested.  gentoo has
blossomed since the first of the year (daily traffic on the gentoo-users
group is approaching unmanageable proportions).  gentoo still intends, I
believe, to release its 1.0 version sometime this month.

Here are my results:

1) The install from ISO image burned to a CD works exactly like the
instructions on the gentoo web site.  The only wrinkle that took was
related to tne NICs in my PC.  I have two of them, but only one in use. 
The gentoo installer would not recognize the NIC attached to my lan as
eth0; it was recognized as eth1.  (Both cards are serviced by Tulip.)   
Fortunately, I had my favorite config availabel, because you need to
build your own kernel.  In the final network setup of the install, I
selected dhscp and eth1 to be activated.  After reboot and considerable
weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, I discovered that the regular
linux kernel I had installed and the init scripts would only recognize
the card as eth0!!!

2) Once I got the NIC working, it took a boring (everything worked) day
and a half of compiles to get KDE 2.2.2, enough gnome stuff and mozilla
for galeon, xfce, sylpheed, cups and gimp-print up and going.  If I had
it to do over, I would omit the gnome stuff and just use Mozilla which
has 99% of what I like in galeon.  

3) gentoo uses devfs, so you need to do a little bit of configuration
work to get sound working for normal users and CDRW using ide-scsi. 
gentoo has the devfsd.conf file well documented with the appropriate
lines to uncomment and tweak, but it took me a few days uf strugling to
make them work.  The key to it is this:  if you modify/add items in the
devfsd.conf, you need to delete any /dev/xxx entries related to the
changes before shutting down.  Once I did that, everything was
copacetic.

4) cups worked for my printer (laserjet) right out of the starting gate.
 Audio sounds worked as sonn as I brought up a mixer.  The concept of
leaving the audio volume at zero until you mix it is the dumbest thing
I've encountered in linux land, but that's certainly not a gentoo
problem.  cdrecord -scanbus works, so I presume my CDRW will work when I
need it.  I've adjusted /etc/group and /etc/fstab settings so that I can
use the xfce built-in floppy and CD mount functions.  I've installed
aterm (lower overhead than xterm) and my preferred color settings.  I've
also loaded OpenOffice 641C, and it is working well.  That's about it
hardware and software wise.

5) Just personal evaluation (no proof), but everything seems to work
quicker than on elx.  

6) Even though I installed only a month or two ago, there are several
changes waiting for the baselayout (init scripts, etc.).  I'm not about
to try this until I have cloned the system for backup.  The one glaring
flaw in the gentoo developer group (I've complained there) is that they
like to make supposedly insignificant changes to the init scripts
without testing them!!!  Some of these changes are not so insignificant,
and then you get "oops, I've fixed that now."

7) portage and its tools have improved considerably, although they did
manage (again) to break portage a few days ago.  Their concept of a
freeze to prepare for release 1.0 seems to be a little different than
mine.  There are a lot of questions about portage, and the documentation
and tools are scattered about the web site; you have to do a little bit
of digging in the archives.

8) On the user group, most of the reported problems are newbie stuff
(didn't do enough RTFM) and install for laptops (the pmcia blues just
like on every other distro) which is a hit or miss proposition.  Also a
fair amount of DSL and PPPD blues, which is also quite familiar.  

9) gentoo is fairly attentive to security exposures, but there's no
finally version of an update process yet. 

10) Summary: it's good enough for me.  Grade B+ at least.

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