Re: KurtWerks? Or does he?
Les Bell offered this little gem: % Mike Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: % % >> % Last disastrous buisiness decision he made was % marketing the Kurtwerks(tm) Tin Hat. Turned out to be just tin foil, so % no-one was fooled. % << % % Huh? It stopped the aliens controlling our thoughts, didn't it? % % Pity it didn't sell so well in Orem. [smirks and chuckles] Yow! Kurt -- Sole agent for the KurtWerks(tm) Tin Hat ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Installing win4lin 3.0 on rh 7.1
> > Linux 2.4.3-12 > > win4lin kernel: > > 2.4.2-2win4linSMP > > > assuming you have a uniprocessor system, did you include append = "nosmp > noapic" to lilo.conf? > > Ciao, > > David A. Bandel Hmmm... I guess I am getting rusty on kernels. Neither I nor win4lin added that line to my /etc/lilo.conf file. However, I did go get another kernel from win4lin, 2.4.4 without the SMP moniker, and that worked fine. I don't know if that is because of the SMP business or because this kernel is now more recent than the kernel it replaced. But, all is working fine now with win4lin, I mean, as well as can be expected (flaky video at times, a bit slow but now my boy can play yahoo chess online and not use his mother's computer.) System.map-2.4.2-win4linSMP System.map-2.4.4-win4lin Thanks, Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: vectorlinux news
Hmmm, I paid with PayPal to have them ship me a CD over 2 weeks ago. Still haven't received it. Am going to wait til the weekend if not recieved by Sat. I will attempt to get into contact to find out what is going on. Am appreciating your comments so I know what to watch out for when mine gets here. Ray On 3 Jul 2001, at 13:14, Collins Richey wrote: > A day at home with both automobiles in the shop, so I'm making a little > progress with the vectorlinux distro. > > vectorlinux has a few quirks. > > Modules are loaded via /sbin/modprobe in a file /etc/rc.d/rc.modules. > After I put in the appropriate modules (did an lsmod on my Gentoo > system), now I have NIC - sound - lp - and ide-scsi loaded and working. > > vi on vectorlinux is linked to a GNU program called nano which is a > full-screen editor - somewhat slow but usable. Fortunately they do have > nedit which is one of my favorites. > > I'm still waiting for package install info. I could download tarballs and > do compiles for what I need, but I'd like to "do it their way" first. > Actually they support rpm, deb, slackware, and other methods! > > I'' wait on Opera because that requires qt (unless you download the static > version), so I'll just put up with Nutscrape for now. > > The userlist for posting questions for vectorlinux is a realy PITA but it > works. You must use www.eazyboard.com. Whenever you log in you get all > the obnoxious ads you ever wanted (not) to see. Of course you can choose > to pay for the service with no ads. > > I like the "small is beautiful" concept, so I'm being choosy what I put on > here. > > As soon as I get packaging instructions, my next project is to put up > reiserfstools and genetically engineer (ie clone) the system to reiserfs. > > More later > > -- > Collins Richey > Denver Area > Vectorlinux 2.0 - Kernel 2.4.5 - XFree86-4.1 > ___ > http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Ray & Nancy Plummer Copper, Elektra & WOK http://www.nanray.cjb.net/gsdped/gsdbintro.html ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Amanda HOWTO site
Anobody who's trying to configure Amanda or is planning to do so might want to check this site... http://www.frankenlinux.com/guides/amandaintro.html Cheers, Zoran. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: YOU READ MY MIND (was Re: building a new distro)
Andrew Mathews offered this little gem: % % Question is, what standards should be adhered to? I woult think FHS ( % http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ ) would be common sense, as would be LSB ( % http://www.linuxbase.org/ ) just for starters. This needs a consensus % before any package inclusion discussions. Ummm, unless things have changed, the FHS URL refers to the same standard as the LSB. I can't get to the Pathname site to confirm this, though. It certainly *used* to be the same, though. Regardless, the FHS (2.0 *or* 2.1) represents a good starting point, for most of the reasons pointed out in the various Rationale sections scattered throughout the spec. I don't agree with all of them, but neither does anyone else. Kurt ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available for single user non-commercial use
On Tuesday 03 July 2001 07:42 pm, Alan Bryant wrote: > I am also not wanting to ignite a flamewar, but I feel I need to > state my opinion on this. I have been on the Caldera list for a > couple of years now, and got off of it once this list was born. I do > have a question for the people who do not want Caldera stuff, do you > mind if stuff about SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake, Gentoo, etc.? If you > don't mind stuff about those distro's being posted, what's the > difference with stuff about Caldera being posted? I'm interested in all distros, Caldera included. The more I hear, the better I am able to choose one that works well, is supported, is upgradeable, etc. -- Tony Alfrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I'd rather be sailing" ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available for single user non-commercial use
from Alan Bryant: " and got off of it once this list was born. I do have a question for the " people who do not want Caldera stuff, do you mind if stuff about SuSE, " RedHat, Mandrake, Gentoo, etc.? If you don't mind stuff about those distro's " being posted, what's the difference with stuff about Caldera being posted? imo, what matters in the present context is whether or not the posted material is original or is 'copied' from another source, not what subject or distro it's about. I'm anxious to see, and understand as much as I can about, the original stuff; less enchanted about the other; and I would miss Les Bell, as well as most others. It occurred to me a while ago, but I've hesitated to say it for the obvious reasons, that maybe there might be a case that could be made here for another subject ? 'Fwd:' might not be a bad one, is added semiautomatically by some mailers, and is easy to filter on. $0.01, ymmv. R ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available for single user non-commercial use
Alan Bryant wrote: > > I am also not wanting to ignite a flamewar, but I feel I need to state my > opinion on this. I have been on the Caldera list for a couple of years now, > and got off of it once this list was born. I do have a question for the > people who do not want Caldera stuff, do you mind if stuff about SuSE, > RedHat, Mandrake, Gentoo, etc.? If you don't mind stuff about those distro's > being posted, what's the difference with stuff about Caldera being posted? > Yes, you are on the Caldera list as well, but some of us aren't...like me. I > am also on the SuSE list, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone post the same > stuff, because I know that there are a lot of people on this list who are > not on the SuSE list, and they might be interested. Again, I respect all of > you very much, and if I misinterpreted something, please enlighten me. > > Thanks, > Alan Common sense would dictate that being subscribed to multiple lists is going to generate some cross traffic. If some people are just forwarding messages from another list, *that* is being redundant. Proper editing of messages to pertinant information from another list wouldn't offend me, unless it's biased by distribution. I'd consider it a way to glean the best of all lists without having to subscribe to all of them. If we're going to be distro agnostic we need to be open minded toward others. Just MHO. -- Andrew Mathews 8:40pm up 14:22, 3 users, load average: 1.00, 1.02, 1.01 QED. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Workstation 3.1
Auyeung at Technet Systems wrote: > Being a FAQ developer, would I qualify for a free W.3.1? > As I understand Caldera's relaxed, face-saving policy, you could be a film developer and qualify. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: YOU READ MY MIND (was Re: building a new distro)
Andrew Mathews wrote: > Question is, what standards should be adhered to? I woult think FHS ( > http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ ) would be common sense, as would be LSB ( > http://www.linuxbase.org/ ) just for starters. This needs a consensus > before any package inclusion discussions. That's got my vote. We, might as well make it as secure as possible while we are at it. I think a solid, well thought out build plan is called for. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available for single user non-commercial use
On Tue, 03 Jul 2001, burns dropped these nuggets of information: OK, everybody get on me, I said I wasn't gonna post again in this thread. But Burns stated this nicely and I have to agree with him. Also, I see all the familiar names posting here and I forgot there may be new folks that may not know Caldera from shinola and want info like this. Sorry. > OK, my tuppence worth: > > 1) When Netiquette mattered, cross-posting was considered a violation > and generally "tacky" or "bad form". > > 2) As a courtesy to others, if you are going to post publicly available > information to the list, it is generally prudent (and polite) to: > > - make sure it is relevant and of broad interest/importance; > > - ensure that it is credible; and > > - not quote the whole thing. Instead just provide a one or two sentence > intro and a link to the original source. -- Tom Wilson This may look like a sig but it is just an amazing simulation. Registered Linux user #199331 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available for single user non-commercial use
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 21:42:29 -0500 "Alan Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am also not wanting to ignite a flamewar, but I feel I need to state > my > opinion on this. I have been on the Caldera list for a couple of years > now, > and got off of it once this list was born. I do have a question for the > people who do not want Caldera stuff, do you mind if stuff about SuSE, > RedHat, Mandrake, Gentoo, etc.? If you don't mind stuff about those > distro's > being posted, what's the difference with stuff about Caldera being > posted? > Yes, you are on the Caldera list as well, but some of us aren't...like > me. I > am also on the SuSE list, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone post the > same > stuff, because I know that there are a lot of people on this list who > are > not on the SuSE list, and they might be interested. Again, I respect all > of > you very much, and if I misinterpreted something, please enlighten me. > Also not interested in flame war, although that might be more intersting than the current SUV wars. Les, I appologize if I offended you; I have learned a great deal from your contributions to this and the prior list. It was one of your postings that got me onto the (accursed or treasured, depending on one's viewpoint) Gentoo distro, for example. I sincerely hope you continue to offer us your wisdom. -- Collins Richey Denver Area Vectorlinux 2.0 - Kernel 2.4.5 - XFree86-4.1 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available for single user non-commercial use
Since I started this thread, I hope to end it by saying that I apologize to those that I offended and inconvienced. This was not my intent. My intent was to let those know that might have unsubscribed from the Caldera list due to volume and might still want to know this information. I made a judgement call and I didn't think it all the way through. I can understand Les Bell's objection to me doing this and I respect him and his opinion. He was correct in saying that it had been posted once to each list and I was just saying it again. I sent the original post before I read all my e-mail from this list. I'll refrain from jumping the gun and cross-posting in the furture. Jim -- 9:42pm up 5 days, 17:09, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.09, 0.08 Running Caldera eD2.4 - Linux - because life is too short for reboots... _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available for single user non-commercial use
Tom Wilson wrote: > On Tue, 03 July 2001, Les Bell dropped these nuggets of information: > [lot's o' snips] > > I have to side with Les here. As a lot of us on this list > still are subscribed to the Caldera list, the cross posting gets > somewhat cumbersome. I've always believed that cross-posting was a > *bad thing* (tm). There are other ways to find out info that is cross- > posted. > OK, my tuppence worth: 1) When Netiquette mattered, cross-posting was considered a violation and generally "tacky" or "bad form". 2) As a courtesy to others, if you are going to post publicly available information to the list, it is generally prudent (and polite) to: - make sure it is relevant and of broad interest/importance; - ensure that it is credible; and - not quote the whole thing. Instead just provide a one or two sentence intro and a link to the original source. Just my humble opinion. YMMV. -- burns ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Workstation 3.1
Being a FAQ developer, would I qualify for a free W.3.1? Auyeung - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Yes, I did and I am *NOT* a developer > > Keith B. > ___ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: YOU READ MY MIND (was Re: building a new distro)
"Douglas J. Hunley" wrote: > I'm acutally working on setting up another system for this very purpose. I > was going to start with a Linux From Scratch base, then make it available on > linux.nf and allow others to help drive the development of the distro.. > > - -- > Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 Question is, what standards should be adhered to? I woult think FHS ( http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ ) would be common sense, as would be LSB ( http://www.linuxbase.org/ ) just for starters. This needs a consensus before any package inclusion discussions. -- Andrew Mathews 8:30pm up 14:12, 3 users, load average: 1.12, 1.10, 1.04 I've got a COUSIN who works in the GARMENT DISTRICT ... ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available for single user non-commercial use
I am also not wanting to ignite a flamewar, but I feel I need to state my opinion on this. I have been on the Caldera list for a couple of years now, and got off of it once this list was born. I do have a question for the people who do not want Caldera stuff, do you mind if stuff about SuSE, RedHat, Mandrake, Gentoo, etc.? If you don't mind stuff about those distro's being posted, what's the difference with stuff about Caldera being posted? Yes, you are on the Caldera list as well, but some of us aren't...like me. I am also on the SuSE list, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone post the same stuff, because I know that there are a lot of people on this list who are not on the SuSE list, and they might be interested. Again, I respect all of you very much, and if I misinterpreted something, please enlighten me. Thanks, Alan ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Smart Tags and howto avoid them..
But if IE proved this successful, Netscape wud follow suit. :-) - Original Message - From: "Mike Andrew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I understood that _perfectly_, you should be a programmer. Ok, so what's the > beef? Don't use IE, or, give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves. > Even 'yer average' user is not going to accept this 'friendly advertiser > code'. Hell, I'd be actively encouraging this cr*p in order to further > distinguish real choices and real OS's. Think (AOL) Netscape shares might > even rise in price. > > -- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Microsoft.Com scan on port 1178
Very interesting. The IP that my connection attempt came from, and it was only once, was 207.46.197.102 Reverse gives me microsoft.com On Tue, 03 Jul 2001 21:24:26 -0300, Federico Voges wrote: >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >Hash: SHA1 > >Just to satisfy my curiosity, I did an update yesterday (using Windows >Update, obviuosly). > >I few minutes ago, I've received a mail from LogCheck with the logged >attemps to connect to port 1178 :) >But to my surprise, those attempts wasn't coming from microsoft.com but >from ck1.vip.sce.yahoo.com !? > >Here's the excerpt from the mail: > >Security Violations >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >Jul 3 20:46:23 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 >209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=44 S=0x40 I=10629 F=0x4000 T=50 >(#31) >Jul 3 20:46:25 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 >209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=44 S=0x40 I=12209 F=0x4000 T=50 >(#31) >Jul 3 20:46:26 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 >209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=40 S=0x40 I=12286 F=0x4000 T=50 >(#31) >Jul 3 20:46:43 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 >209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=44 S=0x40 I=22410 F=0x4000 T=50 >(#31) >Jul 3 20:47:07 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 >209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=44 S=0x40 I=35888 F=0x4000 T=50 >(#31) >Jul 3 20:47:37 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 >209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=40 S=0x40 I=53011 F=0x4000 T=50 >(#31) > >On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:29:50 -0700 (PST), Shawn Tayler wrote: > >>On 02 Jul 2001 08:30:26 -0700, Aaron Grewell wrote: >> >>>They probably didn't. Source obfuscation is a time-honored tradition in >>>portscanning. >> >>Ah, but I got another tidbit on this today. Apparently I am not the >>only person this has happened to. People are finding port scans on >>1178 from Microsoft.Com the day after a Windows Online update is >>executed on a regular basis. Anyone on the list have a Winblows box >>behind a firewall they'd like to test my theory on? >> >>stayler >> >>___ >>http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > > >Federico Voges >Socio gerente > >Intrasoft >Malabia 2137 14 A >(1425) Buenos Aires >Argentina > >Te/Fax: 54-11-4833-5182 >e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Web: http://www.intrasoft.com.ar > >PGP Public Key Fingerprint: A536 4595 EB6F D197 FBC1 5C3A 145C 2516 > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its >affiliated companies. > >iQA/AwUBO0JiOhRcJRaVKt4XEQKRGwCaA2UpAbt2fF/hrXBxCD3M3BTBJoUAnjV+ >2o9xJv/0U4IcUjryUsGEUHnO >=YiRy >-END PGP SIGNATURE- > > >___ >http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > > > >___ >http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users > ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available for single user non-commercial use
On Tue, 03 July 2001, Les Bell dropped these nuggets of information: [lot's o' snips] I have to side with Les here. As a lot of us on this list still are subscribed to the Caldera list, the cross posting gets somewhat cumbersome. I've always believed that cross-posting was a *bad thing* (tm). There are other ways to find out info that is cross- posted. This list serves a purpose for me as well as the Caldera list. Yes, I'm experimenting with and running different distros and have been for some time. I never brought up questions on these distros on the Caldera list as it just didn't feel right to me. Now that I have a chance to communicate with the same knowledgeable people that I've come to know and like, I enjoy doing it in a format that is not "Caldera only". I'm not insulting or criticizing anyone for what they post, I'm just stating my agreement with Les and saying I would hate to lose his insight into any new distro's he is evaluating as well on this list, which it looks may happen. I'm also not going to let this thread degenerate into a flame fest, nor do I want to participate in one, so I will not be posting to it again. -- Tom Wilson This may look like a sig but it is just an amazing simulation. Registered Linux user #199331 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Installing win4lin 3.0 on rh 7.1
Joel Hammer wrote: > > Has anyone installed win4lin version 3.0 on a redhat 7.1 system? > I downloaded the 3.0 version, got my license and all, ran the installer and > was told my kernel wasn't supported. > I went to the win4lin site and downloaded and installed the newest kernel > for RH 7.1 I could find, which was a little older than the version I have in > my box right now. The kernel names are: > Current redhat kernel: > Linux 2.4.3-12 > win4lin kernel: > 2.4.2-2win4linSMP > > After rpm'ing the new kernel, I rebooted into the win4lin kernel. All seems > well. The kernel boots and makes all the right messages to the screen. Then, > the welcome to redhat message comes up, staring INIT Hit I for interactive > mode. Then, it just hangs completely. I can restart by powering down. > I can reboot back into the original kernel just fine but I would like to get > windows98 installed under linux since windows98 just won't run on this box > in native mode. > Any insight appreciated. > Joel assuming you have a uniprocessor system, did you include append = "nosmp noapic" to lilo.conf? Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
making tripwire easier
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tripwire unveils The Tripwire Policy Resource Center for the Tripwire Community! The Tripwire Policy Resource Center was created for the vast Tripwire Community to share policy file expertise. It contains tools, a collection of practical information on deploying Tripwire policy files , and a user forum. This is valuable for Tripwire Partners, independent consultants, IT managers and the Integrity Industry at large. The Policy Tool - The Center contains snippets created by Tripwire developers, as well as those contributed by the Tripwire community. Each week we will be adding more. Check out the TPRC at http://policy.tripwire.com/ - -- Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/Admin: http://linux.nf/ Brainbench Linux Administration Certified ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ "Sometimes I wish I could put an expiration date on my quotes." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtCchQACgkQOPP+k4ZeTm1TAACdHCSxv4+fDn3XclOoTg5JDBBC 7pQAn2tHUgXKjyHSgFiY9msDA9mUTWSH =GOiL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
VA enhanced Redhat-7.1.1
For those interested in Red Hat's 7.1, but wanting something a bit more industrial strength, take a look at the newly released VA Linux-7.1.1. The packages are nearly identical to RH-7.1, however the kernel is quite different, and is modeled more closely with SuSE's: ftp://ftp.valinux.com/pub/software/VALinux/beta/ Read the README, as this is still beta level software (as is RH-7.1 IMO). I've tried it out on some VA Linux hardware, and it performs quite well. Comes with Mozilla, KDE2.1.1, & Gnome-1.2.x. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux FAQ & Step-by-step help:http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Installing win4lin 3.0 on rh 7.1
Has anyone installed win4lin version 3.0 on a redhat 7.1 system? I downloaded the 3.0 version, got my license and all, ran the installer and was told my kernel wasn't supported. I went to the win4lin site and downloaded and installed the newest kernel for RH 7.1 I could find, which was a little older than the version I have in my box right now. The kernel names are: Current redhat kernel: Linux 2.4.3-12 win4lin kernel: 2.4.2-2win4linSMP After rpm'ing the new kernel, I rebooted into the win4lin kernel. All seems well. The kernel boots and makes all the right messages to the screen. Then, the welcome to redhat message comes up, staring INIT Hit I for interactive mode. Then, it just hangs completely. I can restart by powering down. I can reboot back into the original kernel just fine but I would like to get windows98 installed under linux since windows98 just won't run on this box in native mode. Any insight appreciated. Joel ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Microsoft.Com scan on port 1178
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just to satisfy my curiosity, I did an update yesterday (using Windows Update, obviuosly). I few minutes ago, I've received a mail from LogCheck with the logged attemps to connect to port 1178 :) But to my surprise, those attempts wasn't coming from microsoft.com but from ck1.vip.sce.yahoo.com !? Here's the excerpt from the mail: Security Violations =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Jul 3 20:46:23 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=44 S=0x40 I=10629 F=0x4000 T=50 (#31) Jul 3 20:46:25 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=44 S=0x40 I=12209 F=0x4000 T=50 (#31) Jul 3 20:46:26 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=40 S=0x40 I=12286 F=0x4000 T=50 (#31) Jul 3 20:46:43 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=44 S=0x40 I=22410 F=0x4000 T=50 (#31) Jul 3 20:47:07 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=44 S=0x40 I=35888 F=0x4000 T=50 (#31) Jul 3 20:47:37 drakis kernel: Packet log: input DENY ppp0 PROTO=6 209.1.225.5:80 200.51.209.143:1178 L=40 S=0x40 I=53011 F=0x4000 T=50 (#31) On Mon, 02 Jul 2001 20:29:50 -0700 (PST), Shawn Tayler wrote: >On 02 Jul 2001 08:30:26 -0700, Aaron Grewell wrote: > >>They probably didn't. Source obfuscation is a time-honored tradition in >>portscanning. > >Ah, but I got another tidbit on this today. Apparently I am not the >only person this has happened to. People are finding port scans on >1178 from Microsoft.Com the day after a Windows Online update is >executed on a regular basis. Anyone on the list have a Winblows box >behind a firewall they'd like to test my theory on? > >stayler > >___ >http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Federico Voges Socio gerente Intrasoft Malabia 2137 14 A (1425) Buenos Aires Argentina Te/Fax: 54-11-4833-5182 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.intrasoft.com.ar PGP Public Key Fingerprint: A536 4595 EB6F D197 FBC1 5C3A 145C 2516 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBO0JiOhRcJRaVKt4XEQKRGwCaA2UpAbt2fF/hrXBxCD3M3BTBJoUAnjV+ 2o9xJv/0U4IcUjryUsGEUHnO =YiRy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available forsingle user non-commercial use
Collins Richey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sorry Les. Bah humbug; big deal. I still wan't to hear about all distros. Even if 3 people happen to strike the same idea at the same time. It's probably a waste of bandwidth when I report Gentoo or Vectorlinux news, but I'll do it anyway. << In that case, this list does not meet my needs. I need to get work done with one or two distros, not play with many. Sorry to have troubled you, and good day. Best, --- Les [http://www.lesbell.com.au] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available for single user non-commercial use
On Wed, 4 Jul 2001 09:09:25 +1100 "Les Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >> > Geez, Les- Cut the guy some slack. Not everyone WANTS to be on every > list > << > > And it doesn't strike you as somewhat ridiculous for a bunch of people > who > use Caldera to storm off in a huff, loudly proclaiming that they're > unsubscribing from the Caldera list, and then start notifying each other > - > in triplicate - of what Caldera is doing? > > I could have sworn that I head Doug say that this list was intended to > *complement* the Caldera list. It seems to me that if you are still > running > Caldera, you ought to be subscribed to the Caldera users list and the > Caldera announce list (for security advisories). The same goes if you > are a > "Caldera-watcher", for whatever reason. > > Personally, I still run Caldera on several machines, so I remain > subscribed > to their lists. While I'm evaluating other distros, I don't feel the > need > to cut off my nose to spite my face, as the saying goes. What I *don't* > need is lists that simply echo each other. Boring, timewasting and > bandwidth-wasting (read: expensive in many parts of the world). > Sorry Les. Bah humbug; big deal. I still wan't to hear about all distros. Even if 3 people happen to strike the same idea at the same time. It's probably a waste of bandwidth when I report Gentoo or Vectorlinux news, but I'll do it anyway. I don't intend to subscribe to the Caldera list again any time soon, but I'm happy to hear news. Let it rest. -- Collins Richey Denver Area Vectorlinux 2.0 - Kernel 2.4.5 - XFree86-4.1 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Fw: Gentoo Linux 1.0_rc5 i586 binary CD
FYI [ Message from Daniel Robbins (Gentoo CEO) ] Just a quick note that we now have a Gentoo Linux 1.0_rc5 binary CD that will run on i586+ processors. If you have a Pentium, Pentium MMX or AMD K6 series system, then this CD is for you. You can find it here: http://www.ibiblio.org/gentoo/releases/1.0_rc5/isos Usually they follow up with a 486 or 386 version as well. -- Collins Richey Denver Area Vectorlinux 2.0 - Kernel 2.4.5 - XFree86-4.1 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Microsoft.Com scan on port 1178
On Tue, 03 Jul 2001 07:30:10 -0600, Andrew Mathews wrote: >Yes, it probably was...power went off at 5:45 in the afternoon and came >back on at 4:30 this morning. My 1400w UPS won't run for *that* long. >:-( >-- >Andrew Mathews I love my extended run UPS 5 hours Not bad for 4 servers.. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Workstation 3.1
Yes, I did and I am *NOT* a developer Keith B. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available forsingle user non-commercial use
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Geez, Les- Cut the guy some slack. Not everyone WANTS to be on every list << And it doesn't strike you as somewhat ridiculous for a bunch of people who use Caldera to storm off in a huff, loudly proclaiming that they're unsubscribing from the Caldera list, and then start notifying each other - in triplicate - of what Caldera is doing? I could have sworn that I head Doug say that this list was intended to *complement* the Caldera list. It seems to me that if you are still running Caldera, you ought to be subscribed to the Caldera users list and the Caldera announce list (for security advisories). The same goes if you are a "Caldera-watcher", for whatever reason. Personally, I still run Caldera on several machines, so I remain subscribed to their lists. While I'm evaluating other distros, I don't feel the need to cut off my nose to spite my face, as the saying goes. What I *don't* need is lists that simply echo each other. Boring, timewasting and bandwidth-wasting (read: expensive in many parts of the world). Best, --- Les [http://www.lesbell.com.au] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Swap still not recognized
Hi, Mike: I followed the advice of David and one or two others in our midst, and ran mkswap /dev/hdb5 to format the existing partition, and following that, ran swapon -a to enable it. I had already allocated the swap partition, prior to the SuSE 7.1 installation. I had already set it up and formatted it, by running Partition Magic 6.0 from a (Caldera DR DOS) boot floppy disk. However, for whatever reason, the swap space signature was invalid or invisible to SuSE, so YaST2 failed to enable it as swap space. I hope this is what you wanted. Best regards, Glenn On Tuesday 03 July 2001 14:32, you wrote: > On Wednesday 04 July 2001 01:45, Glenn Williams wrote: > > This problem was resolved yesterday. On the advice of several > > folks on the list, I used the 'mkswap' command to format the swap > > space, and > > [snip] > > Glenn, could you give me a small write up on what you did to 'create' > a swap partition and format it. Thanks. -- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 135678 Powered by SuSE 7.1 Linux ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kicq won't ./configure
Mike Andrew wrote: > > On Wednesday 04 July 2001 04:46, David A. Bandel wrote: > > > > > libz I understand. lz I do not. > > > > Part of your LDFLAGS. -I/usr/include or -lz. The -I is for includes > > (header files) and the -l is for libraries. To get the library's real > > name, you strip off the lib part. So for libpcap, it's -lpcap, and for > > libz it's -lz. BTW, this is a compression library. But just saying lz > > is someone getting lazy. > > It's the lazy bit that threw me. On a reasonable hunch that they really were > talking about libz I created a symlink for it. That alone throws out another > can of worms the libxx.so.1.2.99 -> 1.2 -> 1 -> ? pyramid we currently have > in accessing 'a' library of some sort. > > Turns out that RH don't have a libz.so as such. (or more correctly, the rpm > for it doesn't have one). Someone here gave an interesting opinion about the > silly state of -devel libraries and their non-sensical existence. I'm hoping > eventually that the version of a library will be contained as a signature to > each function within the library rather than spaghetti we have now. > I have found in a number of instances, a library, say libssl.so.0.9.6. This is supposed to have several links to it, specifically, libssl.so.0 and libssl.so. When these don't exist, sometimes things like builds break. I picked on openssl specifically, because they do something really silly -- the libssl.so isn't a symlink at all (as it should be) but a complete copy. Ditto for libssl.so.0. Talk about a waste of hard disk realty. Do that for all your libraries and you really will have trouble (running out of disk space), but even worse, when libssl.so.0.9.6 upgrades and libssl.so.0 and libssl.so are out of sync, you'll see all kinds of bizarre behavior including segfaults. Another one to look out for is not having a link libcurses.a (should point to libncurses.a). Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More Steps July 4
Distros->Urls->VectorLinux Distros->Urls->VectorLinux->Install Notes (Collins Richey) -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: KurtWerks? Or does he?
Mike Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Last disastrous buisiness decision he made was marketing the Kurtwerks(tm) Tin Hat. Turned out to be just tin foil, so no-one was fooled. << Huh? It stopped the aliens controlling our thoughts, didn't it? Pity it didn't sell so well in Orem. Best, --- Les [http://www.lesbell.com.au] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kicq won't ./configure
On Wednesday 04 July 2001 04:46, David A. Bandel wrote: > > > libz I understand. lz I do not. > > Part of your LDFLAGS. -I/usr/include or -lz. The -I is for includes > (header files) and the -l is for libraries. To get the library's real > name, you strip off the lib part. So for libpcap, it's -lpcap, and for > libz it's -lz. BTW, this is a compression library. But just saying lz > is someone getting lazy. It's the lazy bit that threw me. On a reasonable hunch that they really were talking about libz I created a symlink for it. That alone throws out another can of worms the libxx.so.1.2.99 -> 1.2 -> 1 -> ? pyramid we currently have in accessing 'a' library of some sort. Turns out that RH don't have a libz.so as such. (or more correctly, the rpm for it doesn't have one). Someone here gave an interesting opinion about the silly state of -devel libraries and their non-sensical existence. I'm hoping eventually that the version of a library will be contained as a signature to each function within the library rather than spaghetti we have now. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Steve Gibson Goes UNIX
On 3 Jul 2001, at 9:01, David A. Bandel boldly uttered: > "Philip J. Koenig" wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > I'm not sure what David Bandel is referring to with "reverse path > > filtering", I assume he means something otherwise known as "egress > > filtering", ie - you setup filters on your border routers that if > > they see packets coming from one of your customers that is not > > claiming to originate from an address you route, you block it. Some > > people are not thrilled about doing that everywhere because it breaks > > certain types of diagnostic and security tools. (and lots of > > spoofing/hacking tools) > > > > > > exactly what I'm talking about. be it called rp_filters or egress > filters. I've not seen it cause problems when instituted at border > routers. I know if you're using a firewall with FreeS/WAN you can't > filter on that system, but the next upstream certainly can. > > Gee, it breaks spoofing/hacking tools? (Duh). That's the whole idea! > If you want to do some spoofing tests, you do it on your local network > only. I don't need anyone spoofing my internal network from outside. > Or customers sending packets from their systems with source IPs outside > my network. This can't possibly be legitimate traffic, and I for one > drop it. (I do rp_filtering/egress filtering and haven't had one > complaint yet). If done at a sufficiently low level (C class or > smaller) the spoofing problems on the Internet would disappear overnite. I agree that in general it would be a GoodThing(tm), and many are pushing for it, particularly due to the rise of DDoS attacks. However getting this to be adopted worldwide is going to be about as successful as convincing various countries to close all their open SMTP relays, or ensure that all their IP addresses resolve to a hostname. (North America and Western Europe are pretty good about the above, but check out lots of Asian and Eastern European countries IP space sometime for a contrast) Phil -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Security Announcements?
On Wednesday 04 July 2001 08:52, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > This list already has plenty of regular traffic (not to mention all > those OT threads :-), no need for it to be a security announcement > mirror. Over the past two years, I've come to rely on 'you lot' filtering this, and other stuff, for me and posting only what you think is important. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Smart Tags and howto avoid them..
Mike Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Are you lot saying that the browser, IE, fetches and grabs supplementary info and inserts it into the user's visible page? << That's it, basically. The browser has a list of keywords and associated URL's, and as a page from your server is rendered, if any of the keywords is found on the page, then it is automatically tagged with a link to the corresponding URL. The link is highlighted with a squiggly purple underline, so it doesn't look like an ordinary link, but it's a link out of your page and out of your site regardless. The initial list is presumably distributed with the browser, but I'd be surprised if supporting versions of IE can't 'phone home' to update the list as Microsoft sells new keyword/link pairs to its hosta^H^H^H^H^H business partners. >> As far as the previous post to turn the MetaTag off. What good would that do if the command is disrespected?. << None. We're counting on Microsoft honoring the meta tag. What we are now seeing is Microsoft ruthlessly exploiting its monopoly position on the desktop and near-monopoly in browsers. What am I bid to be the top photo-printing company in the list in Windows XP? What am I bid for a Smart Tag that links the word "hamburger" to your site? McDonalds? Burger King? And since Microsoft is cashed up, a monetary deal is not nearly as attractive as one that advances Microsoft's interests in some other way. "Mr. (IBM | Compaq | Dell), we'll link the word 'notebook' to your site if you'll just agree not to promote Linux". Uh-oh , where's me heart pills? Best, --- Les [http://www.lesbell.com.au] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Smart Tags and howto avoid them..
On Wednesday 04 July 2001 02:58, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: > the original page is NOT modified. the page that gets presented to the USER > is modified... the render engine does a scan for keywords and then does > some sed 's/actual code/M$ friendly advertiser code/g' >> /dev/screen I understood that _perfectly_, you should be a programmer. Ok, so what's the beef? Don't use IE, or, give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves. Even 'yer average' user is not going to accept this 'friendly advertiser code'. Hell, I'd be actively encouraging this cr*p in order to further distinguish real choices and real OS's. Think (AOL) Netscape shares might even rise in price. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
On 3 Jul 2001, at 23:19, Mike Andrew boldly uttered: > On Tuesday 03 July 2001 12:59, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > How did you manage to end up at Norfolk Island? I presume you > > weren't born/raised there? Do you know all the linux users? :-) > > sure do. Our Internet population of circa 4/500 people are aware of Linux > Hell they even know about NOT sending html-email! > > While most would be Windows users, specifically Microsoft Office users, many > of them are, or are training to be, IT professionals. The correspondence > university courses here (open learning) use c c++ under linux as their > tutorial (for an eg) Since it's an isolated community, and since the > internet, via lack of television, opens the world to them, they are keenly > aware of distros as they appear on the front covers of PC mags each month. > (flavour of the month? Redhat) > > Secondly, since the entire Island economy is tourist based, each 'agency', > ship and airline here is running some form of non-windoze real time booking > system. Under the coverz, it's a *nix system of some klnd. And thirdly, > because non-tourist jobs here are esoteric non mainstream eg weather > balloons, marine surveys, those so employed tend to use, or be trained on, > non-windoze computers. I charge them $50/hr to install windoze, nix for > Linux/KDE, which would you choose? > > As far as me ending up here, well, you have to get lucky once in your life. I > do have connections here, but they pre-date the 3rd (Pitcairn) settlement on > which this tiny country is based. Thanks so much for the story. I'm musing on the idea of people being forced by necessity not to watch TV. (well I guess if you truly can't do without there's always satellite) I voluntarily purged it from my life probably over 10 years ago and never looked back. Phil -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
On 3 Jul 2001, at 8:46, David A. Bandel boldly uttered: > Years ago, I suggested to the Senate Transportation Committee in a > letter to them (they either didn't read it or cracked up laughing) that > what we needed was a true, non-nonsense mode of transportation. To wit: > > a system of overhead rails where speed would not endanger lives on the > ground (I envision 60 mph + in the city, up to 500 mph between cities) > > individual cars (4-6 place vehicles) that could be privately owned if > you so desired, or not (why bother except for the socially arrogant) > > totally computer controlled for maximum efficiency and safety (and no > need for humans to interfere and cause accidents) > > What would this buy you? > 1. almost 100% safety -- put your kids in one and they will arrive at > school (and only at school, no intermediate stops) > 2. no more pedestrians run over > 3. you could work (read, watch tv) on the way to home or work > 4. the speed (up to 500 mph) would preclude use of airplanes except for > trans-oceanic or trans-continental travel > 5. access for all > 6. no more car insurance payments (I paid $300/year full coverage in > the states and thought I was being abused, here I pay more than double > that). > 7. no more excuses for being late (OK, that's a disadvantage), because > it would always take exactly 12.5 minutes to get to work regardless of > traffic and route taken (computers would see to that) > 8. cargo could get shuttled off to holding areas during "rush hour" (I > hate fighting semis). > > We've had the technology to do this for over 10 years. But inertia and > interests (insurance companies, gas companies -- wouldn't use gas, would > use solar energy -- etc, would kill it before it could save lives and > fuel; no, better to guzzle gas and kill a 747 load of people a day in > the US than improve the transportation system). There is a company in Europe that is working on just such a system, although it doesn't go 500mph. It's a small electrical car that can travel locally short distances, and then connects with an overhead rail network to travel longer distances. Part of the economy is that when you connect to the rail network, you link up with a "train" of other cars and it all moves more efficiently and with less congestion. (and automatically, so you can kick back and read a book or whatever) -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kicq won't ./configure
On Tuesday 03 July 2001 13:10, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: > make -f Makefile.cvs && ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde2 --enable-mt > - --disable-debug && make && make install && ldconfig -v is what you need For a Redhat system I modified /opt/kde2 to /usr I got a 'cannot find -lz' error so created ln -s /usr/lib/libz.so.1 libz.so the above commands then went thru ok. Firing up kicq, it allowed me to register as an existing user, then caused a Kcrash. Is this (possibly?) an unstable gcc/glibc from RH causing this? -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
On 3 Jul 2001, at 0:48, burns boldly uttered: > Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > > > The problem is that SUV's are being designed, sold and bought as > > mass-market passenger cars, yet for years they had (still have, > > AFAIK) all sorts of smog and mileage exemptions due to being > > categorized as "light trucks". > > > > In most cases they are light trucks. There are two general categories of > North American SUV's. The smaller ones, such as the Blazer, are built > upon the mini-pickup drive-train and chassis (in the case of the Blazer, > it is the S-10 rolling chassis). The larger SUVs, such as the Yukon, > Tahoe and Suburban are built on the full-sized pickup (e.g. the > Silverado) rolling chassis. My point wasn't a technical one about what kind of chassis they are built on, it is a socio-political one because originally the exemption for "light trucks" was designed to throw a bone to commercial enterprises that use light-trucks as commercial vehicles. Since the vast majority of SUVs are now personal, leisure vehicles, produced in much higher quantities and driving a lot more miles (not just ferrying hay around a farm) the reasoning for those exemptions has totally changed. Here in San Francisco about 10 years ago they enacted some tax exemptions for building "live/work lofts". The law was designed to encourage low-income artisans and craftspeople to not flee the high price of housing here. However during the dot-com boom the builders ended up building tons of these "classed as affordable but really not" housing that just turned out to be a yuppie giveaway. I see the abuse of that kind of well-intentioned law to be very similiar to the exemptions that SUVs have enjoyed for years. Car manufacturers have been lobbying against removing them of course, because it increases their profits. But the tide is shifting now that it's gotten the public's attention. If nothing else, it's just a PR move, since it just adds to the perception that SUV owners care about nothing but themselves. -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Swap still not recognized
On Wednesday 04 July 2001 01:45, Glenn Williams wrote: > This problem was resolved yesterday. On the advice of several folks on > the list, I used the 'mkswap' command to format the swap space, and [snip] Glenn, could you give me a small write up on what you did to 'create' a swap partition and format it. Thanks. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
Lee wrote: > > > trains are obsolete. Don't you think it's kind of stupid to make 999 > > people on a train stop when one wants to get off? I was talking a > > personal transportation vehicle, not a mass transit vehicle. Same > > obsolescence applies to busses. > > > > Ciao, > > > > David A. Bandel > > Problem with private vehicles is that they need the same roads and parking >facilities. The only why > to cut down on overall pollution would be to shift to gas/electric. But, even that >is not a > solution. Electricity has to be generated by burning coal, natural gas, or oil. >Unless you're going > to make a big commitment to nuclear, wind, solar, geothermal the pollution from the >gas engine will > just be displaced from the the vehicle site to the generating site. Example: I live >in Apalachicola, > FL. The real Florida outbacks. Power to this area is delivered from the grid where >it is generated > in Panama City, 70 mi to the west, and Crystal Rive, 100 mi+ to the se. Thus, the >pollution from my > electric car will be transferred from Apalachicola to Panama City. I understand what little I posted lacked detail. The vehicles never need be "parked". They can go to holding areas or just circulate with other vehicles (though holding areas make more sense). Each vehicle would have a solar panel and would not only generate its own power, but when it's not using power can transfer that power to the system. So areas like Seattle would still get enough solar power, just from another part of the grid. > > As for electric trains being obsolete, I have only one experience to judge from. In >the early 60s I > was stationed in Boston for 4 yrs. I had my car with me, a 1957 TR3 a real joy to >drive, but I > seldom drove it. Why? The MTA. Despite the Kingston Trio's," Get Charlie Off the >MTA" the price was > reasonable ($.20), you could go anywhere in Boston, stations were usually no more >that two blocks > apart heated with wide platforms, the trains ran every ten minutes, no packup of >riders, and best of > all you didn't have to contend with Boston traffic. Ergo: electric was so much more >convenient and > cost effective that the TR3 stayed home except when I left town. But why stop at each station if a no passengers need to get on or off? It takes more energy to stop and start than maintain a constant speed. > > As an ex air pollution planner. I can tell when you want electric mass transit to >compete > successfully with public transportation the two most important factors are >convienance (10 min > between trains, heated stations ect and no vehicle traffic) and cost (MTA $.20, >gasoline at the time > $.32/gal + insurance+maintenance.) Total pollution way down. But as this a Linux >list let me add > this: > I AM NOT A FREELOADER Never said you were. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Smart Tags and howto avoid them..
On 2 Jul 2001, at 21:05, Ronnie Gauthier boldly uttered: > M$ announced yesterday that they are abandoning the smart tag. > > Ronnie AFAIK they are not "abandoning" it, just "postponing" it in Windows XP. It is still very much alive in Office XP, and could return to Windows XP also. (My analysis is this: they are trying to mute some of the outcry about it, and then quietly slip them back into the picture after the noise dies down) http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/20033.html -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: KurtWerks? Or does he?
On Wednesday 04 July 2001 00:21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey, Kurt. Just a note to check up on you and find out what you're doing, > where you are at, and what happened that you no longer bear the Caldera > emblem on your SuperKurt tights. Tights? Now that's a new one. Last disastrous buisiness decision he made was marketing the Kurtwerks(tm) Tin Hat. Turned out to be just tin foil, so no-one was fooled. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Security Announcements?
On 3 Jul 2001, at 12:14, Les Bell boldly uttered: > No thanks. There are so many, for so many different distros, and I get > several of them already, so I don't need someone repeating what I just > read. My suggestion is to put together a listing of the various security > announcement lists and advise people to subscribe to the ones that make > sense for them I agree. That is what security lists are for. (I'm on several of them) This list already has plenty of regular traffic (not to mention all those OT threads :-), no need for it to be a security announcement mirror. Phil -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
On 2 Jul 2001, at 23:23, Ian Marchak boldly uttered: > If you want to make people feel safe: 100 pounds of TNT in the trunk of > every car, and a 6 inch spike in the middle of the steering wheel where > the makers normally put their emblems. People would really put some > thought into their driving habits if we all drove cars like that. Haha! Ya got me crackin' up here Ian! I like the spike! > Really and truly what it comes down to for me is this: > > When I have children, I would like for them to be able to go outside and > play without a respirator and SPF 600 sun block. We really have to > smarten up and stop spewing s#!t into the air at the rate we are...if > nobody can breathe the air, a lack of energy really won't matter all > that much. Pretty close to my sentiments. I do love how congresscritters launch all sorts of investigations and throw around all sorts of vitriol because the price of gas is 15-20 cents higher than it was 1 or 2 years ago. They should try Europe where it's $4.50/gallon. As usual, Americans acting like everything on earth is inexhaustible. Whine and cry and bitch because gas is 8% higher than before, yet half of 'em are driving around pigs that get 15 MPG. What is wrong with this picture. Phil -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Microsoft.Com scan on port 1178
On 2 Jul 2001, at 18:33, Philip J. Koenig boldly uttered: > On 1 Jul 2001, at 22:06, Andrew Mathews boldly uttered: > > You can add: http://www.linux-works.org/port-numbers as a plain text > > reference also. Easily downloaded for offline reference. > > > Seems to be down at the moment, but I'll try later. I guess I'm > obsessed or something, never can get enough port listings. :-) Now that that site is responding and I had a look at the list, it just looks like a direct copy of RFC-1700. (which I have) Thanks, Phil -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: SysAdmin Day
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 11:10:54PM +0800, Auyeung at Technet wrote: >Sure you understand a term I often use in Hong Kong --- >Life time warranty --- free upgrades , ( hardware and software ) , 24 x7 >support , > no-question-ask rework! > A 50/50 warranty, 50 feet or 50 seconds. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you. -- Will Rogers ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
vectorlinux news
A day at home with both automobiles in the shop, so I'm making a little progress with the vectorlinux distro. vectorlinux has a few quirks. Modules are loaded via /sbin/modprobe in a file /etc/rc.d/rc.modules. After I put in the appropriate modules (did an lsmod on my Gentoo system), now I have NIC - sound - lp - and ide-scsi loaded and working. vi on vectorlinux is linked to a GNU program called nano which is a full-screen editor - somewhat slow but usable. Fortunately they do have nedit which is one of my favorites. I'm still waiting for package install info. I could download tarballs and do compiles for what I need, but I'd like to "do it their way" first. Actually they support rpm, deb, slackware, and other methods! I'' wait on Opera because that requires qt (unless you download the static version), so I'll just put up with Nutscrape for now. The userlist for posting questions for vectorlinux is a realy PITA but it works. You must use www.eazyboard.com. Whenever you log in you get all the obnoxious ads you ever wanted (not) to see. Of course you can choose to pay for the service with no ads. I like the "small is beautiful" concept, so I'm being choosy what I put on here. As soon as I get packaging instructions, my next project is to put up reiserfstools and genetically engineer (ie clone) the system to reiserfs. More later -- Collins Richey Denver Area Vectorlinux 2.0 - Kernel 2.4.5 - XFree86-4.1 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
> trains are obsolete. Don't you think it's kind of stupid to make 999 > people on a train stop when one wants to get off? I was talking a > personal transportation vehicle, not a mass transit vehicle. Same > obsolescence applies to busses. > > Ciao, > > David A. Bandel Problem with private vehicles is that they need the same roads and parking facilities. The only why to cut down on overall pollution would be to shift to gas/electric. But, even that is not a solution. Electricity has to be generated by burning coal, natural gas, or oil. Unless you're going to make a big commitment to nuclear, wind, solar, geothermal the pollution from the gas engine will just be displaced from the the vehicle site to the generating site. Example: I live in Apalachicola, FL. The real Florida outbacks. Power to this area is delivered from the grid where it is generated in Panama City, 70 mi to the west, and Crystal Rive, 100 mi+ to the se. Thus, the pollution from my electric car will be transferred from Apalachicola to Panama City. As for electric trains being obsolete, I have only one experience to judge from. In the early 60s I was stationed in Boston for 4 yrs. I had my car with me, a 1957 TR3 a real joy to drive, but I seldom drove it. Why? The MTA. Despite the Kingston Trio's," Get Charlie Off the MTA" the price was reasonable ($.20), you could go anywhere in Boston, stations were usually no more that two blocks apart heated with wide platforms, the trains ran every ten minutes, no packup of riders, and best of all you didn't have to contend with Boston traffic. Ergo: electric was so much more convenient and cost effective that the TR3 stayed home except when I left town. As an ex air pollution planner. I can tell when you want electric mass transit to compete successfully with public transportation the two most important factors are convienance (10 min between trains, heated stations ect and no vehicle traffic) and cost (MTA $.20, gasoline at the time $.32/gal + insurance+maintenance.) Total pollution way down. But as this a Linux list let me add this: I AM NOT A FREELOADER Lee > > -- > Focus on the dream, not the competition. > -- Nemesis Racing Team motto > ___ > http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kicq won't ./configure
"Douglas J. Hunley" wrote: [snip] > > libz I understand. lz I do not. > Part of your LDFLAGS. -I/usr/include or -lz. The -I is for includes (header files) and the -l is for libraries. To get the library's real name, you strip off the lib part. So for libpcap, it's -lpcap, and for libz it's -lz. BTW, this is a compression library. But just saying lz is someone getting lazy. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
John Voigt wrote: > > "David A. Bandel" appears to have said: > > > > > Now, I own a Ford Ranger Pickup with crew cab (not the new double > > cabin). I often have it loaded up up with 1200-1500 lbs of fertilizer > > or herbicides, 300 ears of sweet corn or 1500 lbs of dried corn, etc > > (not something I want inside with me). > > Hi all, > > I'm in a similar situation as a, albeit part-time, farmer. I > unfortunately get tarred with the same proverbial brush as the SUV > people because I actually _need_ a full-sized pickup to do useful stuff. > If someone can figure out a way I can get 40 Mpg with a full-size truck > -OR- a innovative way to fit a couple dozen hay/straw bales in a Honda > Civic and still navigate a muddy field I'll certainly listen ;-) That's why I only need a pickup. 10 acres hardly makes a full-time farmer. 2500 acres, maybe, but 10? > > > SUVs just seem silly to me. > > I haven't figured out the "need" either. I guess minivans are passe now, > so it had to be something. > > > But then, I have nothing to prove (already done that, got the T-shirt and the > > left-over explosives). > > I could use some of those. (I have slight wildlife issue I need to > address ;-)) ?? Address wildlife issues in one of several ways (none with explosives): pesticides or a good high-power rifle. Just what did you have in mind? Draining the swamp maybe? A little late after you're up to your gazoo in alligators. Besides, last time I tried, they wouldn't swallow the hand grenades. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
Lee wrote: > [snip] > > > > Years ago, I suggested to the Senate Transportation Committee in a > > letter to them (they either didn't read it or cracked up laughing) that > > what we needed was a true, non-nonsense mode of transportation. To wit: > > > > a system of overhead rails where speed would not endanger lives on the > > ground (I envision 60 mph + in the city, up to 500 mph between cities) > > > > individual cars (4-6 place vehicles) that could be privately owned if > > you so desired, or not (why bother except for the socially arrogant) > > > > totally computer controlled for maximum efficiency and safety (and no > > need for humans to interfere and cause accidents) > > > > What would this buy you? > > 1. almost 100% safety -- put your kids in one and they will arrive at > > school (and only at school, no intermediate stops) > > 2. no more pedestrians run over > > 3. you could work (read, watch tv) on the way to home or work > > 4. the speed (up to 500 mph) would preclude use of airplanes except for > > trans-oceanic or trans-continental travel > > 5. access for all > > 6. no more car insurance payments (I paid $300/year full coverage in > > the states and thought I was being abused, here I pay more than double > > that). > > 7. no more excuses for being late (OK, that's a disadvantage), because > > it would always take exactly 12.5 minutes to get to work regardless of > > traffic and route taken (computers would see to that) > > 8. cargo could get shuttled off to holding areas during "rush hour" (I > > hate fighting semis). > > > > We've had the technology to do this for over 10 years. But inertia and > > interests (insurance companies, gas companies -- wouldn't use gas, would > > use solar energy -- etc, would kill it before it could save lives and > > fuel; no, better to guzzle gas and kill a 747 load of people a day in > > the US than improve the transportation system). > > > > Now, I own a Ford Ranger Pickup with crew cab (not the new double > > cabin). I often have it loaded up up with 1200-1500 lbs of fertilizer > > or herbicides, 300 ears of sweet corn or 1500 lbs of dried corn, etc > > (not something I want inside with me). Otherwise, I'd just get a Saturn > > Wagon (had one, loved it). SUVs just seem silly to me. But then, I > > have nothing to prove (already done that, got the T-shirt and the > > left-over explosives). > > > > Ciao, > > > > David A. Bandel > > Problem with that is cost. Cities who have subway/elevated mass transit systems, >i.e. Chicago, > Boston, New York et al, inherited them from the end of the 19th century. Today most >of those > cities couldn't afford to build those systems from scratch. The fed would have to do >it and > right now they're too busy giving tax rebates of $300 - $600 so the suckers will >have money to > lose in the stock market. > > Here in Florida, the state pushed the concept of a high speed rail link though out >the state. > The first step was to link Miami and Orlando. The state spent 10s of millions of >dollars doing > environmental/transportation/ technology studies. They got to the point where they >had almost > decided on the type of technology to employ, but were stopped dead when they >realized that > there wasn't enough money in the whole state to buy the right-of-way between Miami >and Orlando. > Congress wasn't inclined to offer much help. Too hard to convince Kansas farmers to >help pick > up the tab so that tourists could frolic on Miami beaches in the morning and then >shoot off to > Orlando for an afternoon with Mickey Mouse at Disney World. > > Then there's the politics. Discounting the $5 billion renovation of Boston's MTA, >the last > major city in the US to build a subway system was Pittsburgh. Instead of linking the >parts of > the city where most of the potential riders were to be found, they built it to link >the > Squirrel Hill part of town (that's where most of the millionaires live) to the >downtown area. I trains are obsolete. Don't you think it's kind of stupid to make 999 people on a train stop when one wants to get off? I was talking a personal transportation vehicle, not a mass transit vehicle. Same obsolescence applies to busses. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: play toy
No idea what? I am just getting into this stuff. The stamps , I think, are cool. Bummer I cant use my O/A torch to solder with. Ronnie On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:20:22 +1100, Les Bell wrote: >ROF,L! You *do* realise it's based on - gasp! - the brain-damaged 8051, >don't you? -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
--- Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [SNIP] > major city in the US to build a subway system was Pittsburgh. Instead > of linking the parts of > the city where most of the potential riders were to be found, they > built it to link the > Squirrel Hill part of town (that's where most of the millionaires Sorry but you're wrong. I lived in and around pittburgh for the better part of 2 years, and the subway doesn't even come close to Squirrel Hill. It runs from downtown to the western suburbs. Squirrel Hill is east of the city. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux FAQ & Step-by-step help:http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Steve Gibson Goes UNIX
While I agree he's barking up the wrong tree on this one, I have to remember all the data he's saved me and the school I worked for. When we had tried everything else and were ready to declare the hard drive an irretrievable loss we'd run SpinRite on it. Even a head crash wasn't always fatal if you had SpinRite handy. If it won't fix your hard drive, nothing will. So I have to cut the guy some slack. On 03 Jul 2001 05:21:27 -0700, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > I give him credit though - he's done many nice things, amongst them > raising the awareness of certain security things (spyware, trojans) > which is sorely needed. For example, as lots of non-tech-savvy > people stick their unsecured PC's on 24x7 cablemodem connections, > they will soon discover the joys of BackOrifice and other trojans, > not to mention provide nice willing zombies to spur DDoS attacks. > > > Phil > ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Smart Tags and howto avoid them..
Yes, the ~feature~ is in the beta versions. The announcement said it will not be in the official release, which has not yet happened. So, the beta tester knows they are there but the warez monger got caught crying. Ronnie > > Zoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> > >M$ announced yesterday that they are abandoning the smart tag. > > *** Yeah, sure...;-) > << > > A degree of scepticism is warranted. From an email I received from a buddy > this afternoon, with the names removed to protect the innocent: > > > > BTW did you know that there are versions of IE that already implement the > wiggly > links? > > XXX (principal of an ISP) had a query from YYY (his programmer) about > whether or not he had put some links on a client's pages and of course > these are those "hotlink" things built into the browser. > > The word "auction" in an auction company page linked to eBay and a > recruitment > company page had the word "recruitment" or similar pointing at > www.hotjobs.com.au (owned by MicroSoft) [ . . . . ] > > > > Now, it could be a mistake, but these people are pretty competent. I > haven't followed it up to verify independently, but it sounds plausible to > me. So if Microsoft say "We will not implement smart tags" it would mean > very little if they already *have* implemented them. > > Sigh. [shakes head in disgust] > > Best, > > --- Les [http://www.lesbell.com.au] > > ___ > http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Smart Tags and howto avoid them..
Has nothing to do with the server, it all happens client-side, like javascript. Ronnie On Tuesday 03 July 2001 06:13, you wrote: > On Tuesday 03 July 2001 17:37, Les Bell wrote: > > BTW did you know that there are versions of IE that already implement the > > wiggly > > links? > > I'm not sure if I follow along here, technically. I don't see how Msoft or > anyone else can scribble a page back to the hosting server (except where of > course it's an Msoft server to begin with). > > Are you lot saying that the browser, IE, fetches and grabs supplementary > info and inserts it into the user's visible page? Or, secondly, if the page > is hosted on an Msoft server then it is that server which does the job? > > As far as the previous post to turn the MetaTag off. What good would that > do if the command is disrespected?. -- Ronnie == Life can be a dream; or it can be a nightmare it's all in your mind ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Smart Tags and howto avoid them..
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 03 July 2001 07:13, Mike Andrew babbled: > I'm not sure if I follow along here, technically. I don't see how Msoft or > anyone else can scribble a page back to the hosting server (except where of > course it's an Msoft server to begin with). the original page is NOT modified. the page that gets presented to the USER is modified... the render engine does a scan for keywords and then does some sed 's/actual code/M$ friendly advertiser code/g' >> /dev/screen - -- Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/Admin: http://linux.nf/ Brainbench Linux Administration Certified ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ She's dead, Jim. Now get off her. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtB5KIACgkQOPP+k4ZeTm3sLQCgnLrBKlaVJzkFum+DU0HWfjj2 NwwAn3IztFOF1enerWg+y1qGHEgoUkJH =SE8L -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kicq won't ./configure
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 03 July 2001 07:55, Mike Andrew babbled: > libz I understand. lz I do not. I bounced this to the kicq list to see what they say.. never seen that myself - -- Douglas J. Hunley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Linux User #174778 Admin: http://hunley.homeip.net/Admin: http://linux.nf/ Brainbench Linux Administration Certified ~~ Now offering Linux admin services for the home user ~~ You might have mail. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iEYEARECAAYFAjtB4y0ACgkQOPP+k4ZeTm1pLQCfYfzgnrI1qpgXdR3c3C6TD3xV Lh0AnReaYTyo9tvikfI26+zBeIY/VlvQ =ey3q -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
"David A. Bandel" appears to have said: > Now, I own a Ford Ranger Pickup with crew cab (not the new double > cabin). I often have it loaded up up with 1200-1500 lbs of fertilizer > or herbicides, 300 ears of sweet corn or 1500 lbs of dried corn, etc > (not something I want inside with me). Hi all, I'm in a similar situation as a, albeit part-time, farmer. I unfortunately get tarred with the same proverbial brush as the SUV people because I actually _need_ a full-sized pickup to do useful stuff. If someone can figure out a way I can get 40 Mpg with a full-size truck -OR- a innovative way to fit a couple dozen hay/straw bales in a Honda Civic and still navigate a muddy field I'll certainly listen ;-) > SUVs just seem silly to me. I haven't figured out the "need" either. I guess minivans are passe now, so it had to be something. > But then, I have nothing to prove (already done that, got the T-shirt and the > left-over explosives). I could use some of those. (I have slight wildlife issue I need to address ;-)) John V. (non-official post, of course) -- _/- John Voigt - K9GBO -|- Registered Linux User #38558 --_/ _/- Reclamation Specialist --|- IN Dept of Natural Resources -_/ _/- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -|- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---_/ Conway's Law: In any organization there will always be one person who knows what is going on. This person must be fired. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Maybe I'm just being a smartass..
But I find it to be really good news that Caldera will post a free iso to WS 3.1. There are of course the good and the bad: 1. Its already oudated, as most of Caldera products are when they are released. 2. At least it is stable on release. 3. Security is usualy well thought out from beginning to end. 4. I think maybe that Caldera had no intentions of releasing the iso? Maybe it possible that their user base conviced them other wise...? Basically that's my two cents worth... However I still intend to try other distros than just Caldera later, -- Bill Day A.K.A. BadMan RLU#188133 RLM#83358 http://counter.li.org irc.openprojects.net #linux-users MicroShaft is the only company that introduces an OS that is worse than the one it replaces. <---> 9:30am up 24 days, 23:08, 15 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
"David A. Bandel" wrote: > Ian Marchak wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > Really and truly what it comes down to for me is this: > > > > When I have children, I would like for them to be able to go outside and > > play without a respirator and SPF 600 sun block. We really have to > > smarten up and stop spewing s#!t into the air at the rate we are...if > > nobody can breathe the air, a lack of energy really won't matter all > > that much. > [snip] > > Years ago, I suggested to the Senate Transportation Committee in a > letter to them (they either didn't read it or cracked up laughing) that > what we needed was a true, non-nonsense mode of transportation. To wit: > > a system of overhead rails where speed would not endanger lives on the > ground (I envision 60 mph + in the city, up to 500 mph between cities) > > individual cars (4-6 place vehicles) that could be privately owned if > you so desired, or not (why bother except for the socially arrogant) > > totally computer controlled for maximum efficiency and safety (and no > need for humans to interfere and cause accidents) > > What would this buy you? > 1. almost 100% safety -- put your kids in one and they will arrive at > school (and only at school, no intermediate stops) > 2. no more pedestrians run over > 3. you could work (read, watch tv) on the way to home or work > 4. the speed (up to 500 mph) would preclude use of airplanes except for > trans-oceanic or trans-continental travel > 5. access for all > 6. no more car insurance payments (I paid $300/year full coverage in > the states and thought I was being abused, here I pay more than double > that). > 7. no more excuses for being late (OK, that's a disadvantage), because > it would always take exactly 12.5 minutes to get to work regardless of > traffic and route taken (computers would see to that) > 8. cargo could get shuttled off to holding areas during "rush hour" (I > hate fighting semis). > > We've had the technology to do this for over 10 years. But inertia and > interests (insurance companies, gas companies -- wouldn't use gas, would > use solar energy -- etc, would kill it before it could save lives and > fuel; no, better to guzzle gas and kill a 747 load of people a day in > the US than improve the transportation system). > > Now, I own a Ford Ranger Pickup with crew cab (not the new double > cabin). I often have it loaded up up with 1200-1500 lbs of fertilizer > or herbicides, 300 ears of sweet corn or 1500 lbs of dried corn, etc > (not something I want inside with me). Otherwise, I'd just get a Saturn > Wagon (had one, loved it). SUVs just seem silly to me. But then, I > have nothing to prove (already done that, got the T-shirt and the > left-over explosives). > > Ciao, > > David A. Bandel Problem with that is cost. Cities who have subway/elevated mass transit systems, i.e. Chicago, Boston, New York et al, inherited them from the end of the 19th century. Today most of those cities couldn't afford to build those systems from scratch. The fed would have to do it and right now they're too busy giving tax rebates of $300 - $600 so the suckers will have money to lose in the stock market. Here in Florida, the state pushed the concept of a high speed rail link though out the state. The first step was to link Miami and Orlando. The state spent 10s of millions of dollars doing environmental/transportation/ technology studies. They got to the point where they had almost decided on the type of technology to employ, but were stopped dead when they realized that there wasn't enough money in the whole state to buy the right-of-way between Miami and Orlando. Congress wasn't inclined to offer much help. Too hard to convince Kansas farmers to help pick up the tab so that tourists could frolic on Miami beaches in the morning and then shoot off to Orlando for an afternoon with Mickey Mouse at Disney World. Then there's the politics. Discounting the $5 billion renovation of Boston's MTA, the last major city in the US to build a subway system was Pittsburgh. Instead of linking the parts of the city where most of the potential riders were to be found, they built it to link the Squirrel Hill part of town (that's where most of the millionaires live) to the downtown area. I guess they figured that only millionaires and their maids and other hired help could afford the fares they would have to charge to pay off the bond issue. And, let us not forget that our current president's daddy is in the oil business and he got the job partly by virtue of the $1 million contributed directly to his campaign by the energy companies and the $33 million in soft money from the same source that ended up in his campaign war chest. These folks would not be too happy with the idea of mass rail transit. They don't really care if a million people chock to death. They're rich enough to afford filters and oxygen enhancing equipment. The state of the atmosphere is only of concern to them when the bodies of
Re: Steve Gibson Goes UNIX
"Philip J. Koenig" wrote: > [snip] > > I'm not sure what David Bandel is referring to with "reverse path > filtering", I assume he means something otherwise known as "egress > filtering", ie - you setup filters on your border routers that if > they see packets coming from one of your customers that is not > claiming to originate from an address you route, you block it. Some > people are not thrilled about doing that everywhere because it breaks > certain types of diagnostic and security tools. (and lots of > spoofing/hacking tools) > > exactly what I'm talking about. be it called rp_filters or egress filters. I've not seen it cause problems when instituted at border routers. I know if you're using a firewall with FreeS/WAN you can't filter on that system, but the next upstream certainly can. Gee, it breaks spoofing/hacking tools? (Duh). That's the whole idea! If you want to do some spoofing tests, you do it on your local network only. I don't need anyone spoofing my internal network from outside. Or customers sending packets from their systems with source IPs outside my network. This can't possibly be legitimate traffic, and I for one drop it. (I do rp_filtering/egress filtering and haven't had one complaint yet). If done at a sufficiently low level (C class or smaller) the spoofing problems on the Internet would disappear overnite. Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printer on rampage
On Monday 02 July 2001 19:03, you wrote: > > Hi, Group: > > > > My HP DeskJet 694C has gone mad. [snip] > I'm sure you've probably done this but have you turned the printer > OFF since it started doing this?? Sometimes when a printer gets > sent some crapola... it will get farkled royally (excuse the > technical terms) Marvelous 'technical terms.' > and it will have blown its mind. The only way to > fix it is to 're-boot' the printer with a power off/on. > > I had a similar problem with an HP5L when I installed SuSE 7.2 and > was trying to get it to print. > > > -- > Bruce MarshallBellaire, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Bruce: Thanks for the advice. (A good laugh was very welcome this morning). I got the problem fixed by another means. See my earlier posts of today. Regards, Glenn -- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 135678 Powered by SuSE 7.1 Linux ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
Ian Marchak wrote: > [snip] > > Really and truly what it comes down to for me is this: > > When I have children, I would like for them to be able to go outside and > play without a respirator and SPF 600 sun block. We really have to > smarten up and stop spewing s#!t into the air at the rate we are...if > nobody can breathe the air, a lack of energy really won't matter all > that much. [snip] Years ago, I suggested to the Senate Transportation Committee in a letter to them (they either didn't read it or cracked up laughing) that what we needed was a true, non-nonsense mode of transportation. To wit: a system of overhead rails where speed would not endanger lives on the ground (I envision 60 mph + in the city, up to 500 mph between cities) individual cars (4-6 place vehicles) that could be privately owned if you so desired, or not (why bother except for the socially arrogant) totally computer controlled for maximum efficiency and safety (and no need for humans to interfere and cause accidents) What would this buy you? 1. almost 100% safety -- put your kids in one and they will arrive at school (and only at school, no intermediate stops) 2. no more pedestrians run over 3. you could work (read, watch tv) on the way to home or work 4. the speed (up to 500 mph) would preclude use of airplanes except for trans-oceanic or trans-continental travel 5. access for all 6. no more car insurance payments (I paid $300/year full coverage in the states and thought I was being abused, here I pay more than double that). 7. no more excuses for being late (OK, that's a disadvantage), because it would always take exactly 12.5 minutes to get to work regardless of traffic and route taken (computers would see to that) 8. cargo could get shuttled off to holding areas during "rush hour" (I hate fighting semis). We've had the technology to do this for over 10 years. But inertia and interests (insurance companies, gas companies -- wouldn't use gas, would use solar energy -- etc, would kill it before it could save lives and fuel; no, better to guzzle gas and kill a 747 load of people a day in the US than improve the transportation system). Now, I own a Ford Ranger Pickup with crew cab (not the new double cabin). I often have it loaded up up with 1200-1500 lbs of fertilizer or herbicides, 300 ears of sweet corn or 1500 lbs of dried corn, etc (not something I want inside with me). Otherwise, I'd just get a Saturn Wagon (had one, loved it). SUVs just seem silly to me. But then, I have nothing to prove (already done that, got the T-shirt and the left-over explosives). Ciao, David A. Bandel -- Focus on the dream, not the competition. -- Nemesis Racing Team motto ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Swap still not recognized
On Monday 02 July 2001 15:35, you wrote: > Have you checked fdisk (dangerous!) to determine that: > > 1. The swap space exists in the size you think it does, and; > 2. That it does have the correct ID for a swap area? > > The fact that RH will recognize it (if in fact it does and simply > just does not complain about it being missing (COL2.2 used to do > this) would indicate that the ID is correct, but you never know. It > might be worth the effort to re-assign the ID even if correct to > insure it writes. Caveat - this can be a dangerous proposition. > > - Rich Thompson Hi, Rich: Thanks for your response and the good advice. The problem has been fixed (see my earlier posts). Regards, Glenn -- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 135678 Powered by SuSE 7.1 Linux ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Microsoft.Com scan on port 1178
"Philip J. Koenig" wrote: > > You can add: http://www.linux-works.org/port-numbers as a plain text > > reference also. Easily downloaded for offline reference. > > Seems to be down at the moment, but I'll try later. I guess I'm > obsessed or something, never can get enough port listings. :-) > > Phil Yes, it probably was...power went off at 5:45 in the afternoon and came back on at 4:30 this morning. My 1400w UPS won't run for *that* long. :-( -- Andrew Mathews 7:25am up 1:07, 3 users, load average: 1.10, 1.06, 1.01 Edwin Meese made me wear CORDOVANS!! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printer on rampage
On Monday 02 July 2001 14:14, you wrote: > I think if you go to /var/spool/lpd you will see some rather large > files with nonsense names. If you delete the files your printer will > stop printing after it's buffer is empty. You will then need to > reconfig the printer to print correctly. > > Jim > > On Monday July 02, 2001 1:38 pm, Glenn Williams wrote: > > Hi, Group: > > > > My HP DeskJet 694C has gone mad. If I try to print anything, it > > spits out paper ad infinitum, until the paper bin is empty, even if > > I shut the printer off and turn the computer off. > > [snip] Hi, Jim: Thanks for the good advice. Your fix goes in my notebook. I got around the problem via a different route (before I read your solution). I deleted the printer definition and started over with a new printer setup in Control Panel. It's working okay now. I had tried to do that earlier, but for some reason it didn't take. This time it did. Thanks for your response. Regards, Glenn -- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 135678 Powered by SuSE 7.1 Linux ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Swap still not recognized
On Monday 02 July 2001 13:34, you wrote: > Net Llama wrote: > > --- Glenn Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, Group: > > > > > > I followed the advice of several list members (thanks) but the > > > result was disappointing. A synopsis of what I've done appears > > > below? > > This is probably wrong, but if I remenber correctly, during my last > install LiLo, after checking my hd for partitioning told me that it > had found a valid swap partition and asked if I wanted it did it > activaited. If you're using LiLo or something similiar you might go > back to the install sequence to this point and tell the install > program to activate the swap. As this is before the partitioning of > the hd it shouldn't effect the Os on the linux partition. Hi, Lee: This problem was resolved yesterday. On the advice of several folks on the list, I used the 'mkswap' command to format the swap space, and then the 'swapon' command to enable it. The working swap space seemed to solve at least one other problem (failure to shut down cleanly) as well - unless the improved performance is coincidental. Thanks for responding. Regards, Glenn -- Glenn Williams - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User # 135678 Powered by SuSE 7.1 Linux ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [COLUG] LSB 1.0 -- Laboring mightly to yield ... a mouse
Gotta love standards committees... You can look at 'em in one of two ways: The Pigeon: Flap their wings, make a lotta noise, shit on everything and fly away (much like consultants) The Punching Bag/Equal Opportunity Offender: They are in the business of pissing EVERYONE off because it's their job to come up with ONE solution. If this didn't cause so much strife, there wouldn't be a NEED to have a standards committee! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
KurtWerks? Or does he?
Hey, Kurt. Just a note to check up on you and find out what you're doing, where you are at, and what happened that you no longer bear the Caldera emblem on your SuperKurt tights. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available forsingle user non-commercial use
Geez, Les- Cut the guy some slack. Not everyone WANTS to be on every list, and besides, what's the point of being on a distro-agnostic list if you can't cover stuff that might be on other lists? Sure, I get duplicates too, but I'm not arthritic yet and [delete] is not too far of a stretch for my right pinky... "Les Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >If I want to know what Caldera is up to, I can find out - and did find out >- on the Caldera users list. Same goes for Red Hat, SuSE, etc. all of which >have user lists. If I want security alerts, I can - and have - subscribe to >the CERT, CIAC and other lists. > >If this list is just going to quadruple my traffic and reading time to tell >me stuff I already know, then I don't need it. Seems like a no-brainer to >me. ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: Smart Tags and howto avoid them..
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 09:11:32 +0200, Taplin, Simon S wrote: >>From what I understand and have read. Smart tags have been abandoned in >Windows XP and IE6. However, they weren't removed in time for Win XP RC1 but >should be out by RC2. Apparently Microsoft thought the technology wasn't >mature enough. Anyway, IE still sets millions of people's start page to >MSN.COM or the local varient. Oh and that is not all. There is a quick connection to Microsoft.Com/ie5Update everytime IE is started... the x is 5 I think. You can see it on a slow machine or even a slow connection stayler ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: Downloadable ISO images of OpenLinux 3.1 will be available forsingle user non-commercial use
You don't have to tiptoe on my account, at least. I personally am lurking and waiting to see what happens with Caldera. I am doing what I suspect the rest of you are: Doing my best to make decisions which make the most business sense both now and in the future. Jim Conner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >My apologies for forwarding it here. I'll be more careful of this in the >future. > >Jim ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Microsoft.Com scan on port 1178
On Tue, 03 Jul 2001 08:35:51 +0200, Zoki wrote: >*** I'll have to disappoint you, I just melted my cable modem doing Windows >Updates (God forgive me ;-) and haven't received any scans (yet?). > >Cheers, >Zoran. My scan happened a day or was it two after the update Has a day elapsed? stayler ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: play toy
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001 15:20:22 +1100, Les Bell wrote: >ROF,L! You *do* realise it's based on - gasp! - the brain-damaged 8051, >don't you? Would that be the same brain damage that plagued the 80286? ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
burns wrote: > Philip J. Koenig wrote: > > >Snip > Personally, I'd just as soon have my 1946 MG TC back. > > -- > burns I still have my 74 Spitfire hidden in the garage for emergency use. Lee > > > ___ > http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc >->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
Burns > Personally, I'd just as soon have my 1946 MG TC back. I got it here, How much would you pay me for it -- Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User .~. / v \ /( _ )\ ^ ^ In Linux we trust! ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Steve Gibson Goes UNIX
On 3 Jul 2001, at 9:17, Les Bell boldly uttered: > A better approach would be for Microsoft to remove raw sockets capability > from XP - but then, it's certainly been possible to create malformed > datagrams in earlier versions of Windows (c.f. Ping of Death, Teardrop et > al), so there must be at the least an undocumented API there. I believe the problem Steve Gibson is referring to is worst with DDoS attacks. In such an attack, you have 2 main problems: 1) The "zombies", even if you find some, don't necessarily lead you to the "master", and each one is only a small fraction of the problem. 2) Worse, if the zombies are spoofing, it can be d*mn difficult figuring out where the traffic is coming from. You have to go hop-by-hop, monitoring router-interface-by-router-interface, to trace the packets back to the source. (because the packets contain bogus source address information) This is not just a technical problem, it's a political problem because it requires the cooperation and coordination of EVERY ISP IN THE PATH. Presumably Gibson's feeling is that by making it easier for trojan horses to access raw sockets and spoof, it will magnify the aggravation of such attacks because it makes them harder to trace. (of course Linux and other OS's can be convinced to spoof, especially if you're root, but I suspect most of the zombies compromised and used in DDoS attacks are Windows machines) I'm not sure what David Bandel is referring to with "reverse path filtering", I assume he means something otherwise known as "egress filtering", ie - you setup filters on your border routers that if they see packets coming from one of your customers that is not claiming to originate from an address you route, you block it. Some people are not thrilled about doing that everywhere because it breaks certain types of diagnostic and security tools. (and lots of spoofing/hacking tools) > To be honest, I think Steve Gibson is enjoying his current wave of > notoriety. Having briefly visited a phone booth, he is now rushing around > in a Superman suit, breathlessly advising us that he alone is trying to > Save the World from big bad Microsoft. WooHoo! Real Boys' Own Paper stuff. I feel the same way to some extent. I referred to it as "Chicken Little Syndrome" in another forum. :-) I give him credit though - he's done many nice things, amongst them raising the awareness of certain security things (spyware, trojans) which is sorely needed. For example, as lots of non-tech-savvy people stick their unsecured PC's on 24x7 cablemodem connections, they will soon discover the joys of BackOrifice and other trojans, not to mention provide nice willing zombies to spur DDoS attacks. Phil -- Philip J. Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Electric Kahuna Systems -- Computers & Communications for the New Millenium ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kicq won't ./configure
On Tuesday 03 July 2001 13:10, Douglas J. Hunley wrote: > make -f Makefile.cvs && ./configure --prefix=/opt/kde2 --enable-mt > - --disable-debug && make && make install && ldconfig -v is what you need using above on the cvs direct from sourceforge, it bombed _exactly_ as before. using the above on your copy it went further than ever did. First time ever, no ./configure problems. after 30 mins of make, it gave /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz collect2: ld returned 1 exit status === the offending command was g++ -O2 -DNDEBUG -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -Wall -pedantic -W -Wpointer -arith -Wmissing-prototypes -Wwrite-strings -Wno-long-long -fno-builtin -o .libs/kicq kicq_ld_main.o -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/lib/qt -2.3.0/lib -L/usr/lib ./.libs/kicq.so -L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/ 2.96 -L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/../../.. /usr/lib/libkfile.s o /usr/lib/libksycoca.so /usr/lib/libkio.so /usr/lib/libkdeui.so /usr/lib/l ibkdesu.so /usr/lib/libkdecore.so /usr/lib/libkdefakes.so -ldl /usr/lib/lib DCOP.so -lqt -lpng /usr/lib/libjpeg.so -lXext -lX11 -lSM -lICE -lutil -lz - lstdc++ -lm -lc -lgcc -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/bin/lib -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/lib -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/lib/qt-2.3.0/lib -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/usr/X11R6/lib libz I understand. lz I do not. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT
On Tuesday 03 July 2001 12:59, Philip J. Koenig wrote: > How did you manage to end up at Norfolk Island? I presume you > weren't born/raised there? Do you know all the linux users? :-) sure do. Our Internet population of circa 4/500 people are aware of Linux Hell they even know about NOT sending html-email! While most would be Windows users, specifically Microsoft Office users, many of them are, or are training to be, IT professionals. The correspondence university courses here (open learning) use c c++ under linux as their tutorial (for an eg) Since it's an isolated community, and since the internet, via lack of television, opens the world to them, they are keenly aware of distros as they appear on the front covers of PC mags each month. (flavour of the month? Redhat) Secondly, since the entire Island economy is tourist based, each 'agency', ship and airline here is running some form of non-windoze real time booking system. Under the coverz, it's a *nix system of some klnd. And thirdly, because non-tourist jobs here are esoteric non mainstream eg weather balloons, marine surveys, those so employed tend to use, or be trained on, non-windoze computers. I charge them $50/hr to install windoze, nix for Linux/KDE, which would you choose? As far as me ending up here, well, you have to get lucky once in your life. I do have connections here, but they pre-date the 3rd (Pitcairn) settlement on which this tiny country is based. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Smart Tags and howto avoid them..
On Tuesday 03 July 2001 17:37, Les Bell wrote: > BTW did you know that there are versions of IE that already implement the > wiggly > links? I'm not sure if I follow along here, technically. I don't see how Msoft or anyone else can scribble a page back to the hosting server (except where of course it's an Msoft server to begin with). Are you lot saying that the browser, IE, fetches and grabs supplementary info and inserts it into the user's visible page? Or, secondly, if the page is hosted on an Msoft server then it is that server which does the job? As far as the previous post to turn the MetaTag off. What good would that do if the command is disrespected?. -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kfm --
On Tuesday 03 July 2001 13:50, Auyeung at Technet Systems wrote: > Thanks, Mike. > It would be nice to have a Tips and Tricks for Beginners section in > the SxS, Wudn't it? 'specially for me. I am trying to type the word linuxconf^h^h^h^h^h^, but my fingerz just wont let me do that to my poor little computer -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Antialiasing
On Tuesday 03 July 2001 16:05, Shawn Tayler wrote: > Ok, > > I must be missing some shred of info that will smack me over the head > any minute. By anti-aliased fonts are we refering to those damned > blocky/blotchy fonts that seem to make my eyesight seem so much worse > than it really is? If not, how do I get ride of them? Atleast in > Kongy it is real annoying Best answer (I think) is have a look at fonts->antialising. It contains a before and after gif, and, a brief paragraph explanation. (Although Dep described it better in a recent slashdot article) -- http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Outline of a 'How to use Linux' Document
I too would appreciate a copy of your document. I'm a rank newbie and having some problems getting the hang of things even enough to ask intelligent specific questions of the list. (But I hate MS & Windows enough to keep trying.) Thanks. -Ralph "Bruce S. Marshall" wrote: > > The following is just the outline of the 3 page document that I created to allow a >friend to use Linux for the first time, and as a totally casual user. There is no >particular order to the outline, it's just the order that things came to mind or >ocurred. > ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Smart Tags and howto avoid them..
Zoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >M$ announced yesterday that they are abandoning the smart tag. *** Yeah, sure...;-) << A degree of scepticism is warranted. From an email I received from a buddy this afternoon, with the names removed to protect the innocent: BTW did you know that there are versions of IE that already implement the wiggly links? XXX (principal of an ISP) had a query from YYY (his programmer) about whether or not he had put some links on a client's pages and of course these are those "hotlink" things built into the browser. The word "auction" in an auction company page linked to eBay and a recruitment company page had the word "recruitment" or similar pointing at www.hotjobs.com.au (owned by MicroSoft) [ . . . . ] Now, it could be a mistake, but these people are pretty competent. I haven't followed it up to verify independently, but it sounds plausible to me. So if Microsoft say "We will not implement smart tags" it would mean very little if they already *have* implemented them. Sigh. [shakes head in disgust] Best, --- Les [http://www.lesbell.com.au] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
RE: Smart Tags and howto avoid them..
>From what I understand and have read. Smart tags have been abandoned in Windows XP and IE6. However, they weren't removed in time for Win XP RC1 but should be out by RC2. Apparently Microsoft thought the technology wasn't mature enough. Anyway, IE still sets millions of people's start page to MSN.COM or the local varient. Simon LAN Administrator Damelin Hatfield Tel: 012 342-0755 Cel: 083 374 1161 -Original Message- From: Les Bell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2001 8:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Smart Tags and howto avoid them.. Zoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >M$ announced yesterday that they are abandoning the smart tag. *** Yeah, sure...;-) << A degree of scepticism is warranted. From an email I received from a buddy this afternoon, with the names removed to protect the innocent: BTW did you know that there are versions of IE that already implement the wiggly links? XXX (principal of an ISP) had a query from YYY (his programmer) about whether or not he had put some links on a client's pages and of course these are those "hotlink" things built into the browser. The word "auction" in an auction company page linked to eBay and a recruitment company page had the word "recruitment" or similar pointing at www.hotjobs.com.au (owned by MicroSoft) [ . . . . ] Now, it could be a mistake, but these people are pretty competent. I haven't followed it up to verify independently, but it sounds plausible to me. So if Microsoft say "We will not implement smart tags" it would mean very little if they already *have* implemented them. Sigh. [shakes head in disgust] Best, --- Les [http://www.lesbell.com.au] ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users ___ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
