Re: New Address, Job OT
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:17:27AM -0500, Michael Scottaline wrote: ... Yeah, I know he heated Philly (kids too) but I thoght that's why he put it on his gravestone (even Philly beats the grave..., but just barely...) My favorite line from the show ``Chorus Line'' was ``suicide in Buffalo is redundant''. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``We maintain that the very foundation of our way of life is what we call free enterprise,'' said Cash McCall, ``but when one of our citizens show enough free enterprise to pile up a little of that profit, we do our best to make him feel that he ought to be ashamed of himself.'' -- Cameron Hawley ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Need help with a bash script - -n and -z always giving true ?
Hello, I'm trying to write a bash script for a back up job. Unfortunately I'm not getting anywhere. I need to mount a file system only if the filesystem is _not_ already mounted. I'm thinking of it like this: Ok, I've been reading documentation and wrote a test script. I've so far managed to make it like this: #!/bin/bash if [ -n `mount |grep /mnt/root/cschomeserver/e` ] #if it's already mounted don't mount it then PREMOUNTED='YES' echo is mounted #If it's already mounted set a var else echo mount /mnt/root/cschomeserver/e is not mounted #if it's not mounted, mount it. fi echo $PREMOUNTED Unfortunately it seems that -n is exactly the opposite of what I need because the output is backwards. Additionally, it was working backwards but without error a minute ago and now it's giving that too many arguments thing - I'm not sure what's changed, I tried undoing my (very small) edits to the file and it's still erroring even after the un-do so I'm not sure what happened. When it really is mounted I get the following output from that script: fluorite:~ # ./test.sh ./test.sh: [: too many arguments mount /mnt/root/cschomeserver/e is not mounted Which is backwards - it is mounted. As you can see PREMOUNTED doesn't get set either - again, that's backwards. Then when it really isn't mounted the script _does_ set the var: fluorite:~ # umount /mnt/root/cschomeserver/e/ fluorite:~ # ./test.sh YES So, can someone tell me what the opposite of -n is? According to the man page it's -z but that's acting the same as -n (weird) I can't figure it out. I've tried -n, -z and a host of other options I see in the man page and none of it's working and it's backwards both ways. Also can anyone explain the too many arguments part - are you not allowed to run a command inside [] for output? I'm also testing it with the interactive shell, such as the following variation: fluorite:~ # if test -n $( `mount |grep /mnt/root/cschomeserver/e` ) ; then PREMOUNTED=YES echo $PREMOUNTED ; else echo no ; fi YES Unfortunately this (and test -z) is always returning YES so something's still quite wrong. Obviously I do not understand how to properly get a yes/no value out of the string returned from a nested command. If someone could explain even that much I'd appreciate it. TIA Jonathan Wilson System Administrator Cedar Creek Software http://www.cedarcreeksoftware.com Central Texas IT http://www.centraltexasit.com ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext2/ext3
On Wednesday 23 January 2002 13:31, Douglas J Hunley wrote: | dep babbled on about: | On Wednesday 23 January 2002 09:04, Douglas J Hunley wrote: | | not safe dep.. | | what's unsafe about it? it's the method ted tso recommended to | me. | | deleting the journal without clearing the has_journal flag? doesn't | sound safe at all to me.. are you sure? yup. because you can't just up and delete the .journal file without chattr -i /.journal first, which i believe takes care of this. -- dep There is sobbing of the strong, And a pall upon the land; But the People in their weeping Bare the iron hand; Beware the People weeping When they bare the iron hand. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 10:56:42AM -0700, Tyler Regas wrote: ... Yes, but is that a limitation of the shell or is it a limitation of ls? The DOS limitation resides in the command environment itself. It might even be a sort of throttle for ls that limits incoming args to prevent swamping the system. That lline of yours would certainly do it :) Actually I think it's a kernel limit on the maximum size of command line and environment space. SCO OpenServer used to be limited to about 5000 characters, but made this a configurable parameter several years ago. See the man pages for ``xargs'' for information on ways to deal with huge numbers of arguments. As an example to find all the files containing some pattern this will work on most *ix boxes: find . -type f -print | xargs grep -l pattern Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ ``I don't make jokes, I just watch the Government and report the facts...'' Will Rogers ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
SNIP See the man pages for ``xargs'' for information on ways to deal with huge numbers of arguments. As an example to find all the files containing some pattern this will work on most *ix boxes: find . -type f -print | xargs grep -l pattern Sorry to say, Bill, but I'm a GUI snob. It may be faster to have a console open and type that in, but it would be just as fast to have a GUI search tool open. And that says nothing for the results your piped command returns. With a well constructed GUI tool results can be displayed in a wide array of types. Take Evolution as an example. KFM is another. Even 'mc', the consummate console-based file management tool, groks the need for good GUI layout despite the fact that its text based. The same goes for 'links'. A lot of times its about the usability and not the format. 'mc' and 'links' are two text-based tools that draw a lot from the GUI side of things. Even though they are still text-based they are still very useful because they display information in a clear and concise manner. That and the tools are always either immediately available or damn near (I don't like the fact that you can't make the menu bar sticky in 'links'). I generally think that there is a disconnect between the CLI and GUI factions that doesn't really understand what the other is and what it can do. Both have their places. Just look at MacOS X! What a gorgeous meld of CLI and GUI all in one package. Everything to everyone (at least when there's enough software out for it :). Conundrum; why do GUI proponents use :-) and CLI proponents use G. My rule is to use smileys when I don't have to be serious. CLI type expressions are more serious. Tyler PS: Let the fur fly G -- PDA HandyMan www.pdahandyman.com Giving the Mobile User What They Really Want! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 01:47:29PM -0700, Tyler Regas wrote: SNIP See the man pages for ``xargs'' for information on ways to deal with huge numbers of arguments. As an example to find all the files containing some pattern this will work on most *ix boxes: find . -type f -print | xargs grep -l pattern Sorry to say, Bill, but I'm a GUI snob. It may be faster to have a console The question was about length of command lines, and that's what I answered. How does that relate to GUIs? Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Bagdikian's Observation: Trying to be a first-rate reporter on the average American newspaper is like trying to play Bach's St. Matthew Passion on a ukelele. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
The question was about length of command lines, and that's what I answered. How does that relate to GUIs? It relates to GUIs in that I would not think to use the command that you suggested. I simply saw an interesting component to the thread and followed it. -- PDA HandyMan www.pdahandyman.com Giving the Mobile User What They Really Want! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
Scribbling feverishly on January 23, Tyler Regas managed to emit: Oh gawd no. Kudzu is the biggest flaming POS i've come across in all of Linux. I've stopped counting the number of boxes that its locked up, fubarred or othewise rendered useless. Kudzu being what? Its sounds like some sort of biological process... Ew! A plant originally used in the American southeast as roadside cover, until governments discovered that it grows very rapidly, is impossible to kill, and entombs everything in its path in a very attractive, leafy vine. Also the Red Hat hardware probing tool. Kurt -- Your temporary financial embarrassment will be relieved in a surprising manner. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: (no subject)
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 06:18,Kurt Wall scribed: Scribbling feverishly on January 21, Douglas J Hunley managed to emit: dilyard root babbled on about: pong ignore him. he's a smart@$$ There are several such on this list. I, of course, am not one of them. ;-) Kurt Anyone seen a spare Halo of late, seems one went missing from underneath a hat !! -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: Where is the news.linux.nf newsgroup?
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 03:59,Douglas J Hunley scribed: Keith Antoine babbled on about: Did not even know there was one, and would not use it anyway. Hate news groups too many script kiddies in them plus spam. hey! don't be lumping *MY* newsgroups in with the rest of them. there is *no* traffic on my newsgroups that is not already on my email lists... go check them out skip before you start labelling them g Er, sorry but I was referring generically, not to any particular group. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:13,Tyler Regas scribed: I'm in for that. Just of note, I think we should find out where everyone lives first. Then we can decide on a globally neutral locale to give the largest number of members the best chance of actually showing up. Lets see if I can't get my mail server to take a collection :) Tyler Afganistan ?? There seems to be many Brits, Yanks and Oz people there at the moment. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: 2nd hdd on 2nd ide channel?
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:44,Michael Hipp scribed: I'm building a new box for Linux. Partition layout something like this: hda (20G IBM) 1: / (root) Caldera 3.1(5G) 2: / (root) Mandrake 8.1 (5G) 3: / (root) Redmond Linux (5G) 4: / (root) Elx(5G) hdb (empty) hdc (generic IDE CD-ROM) hdd (15G Western Digital) 1: swap(300-500MB) 2: /home (4.5G) 3: / (root) other distro (4.5G) 4: Win2k (4.5G) In this config I've heard that hdd would not be able to run with dma and and ultra ide modes because of the pokey CD-ROM. Is this true? How much penalty in performance would I pay by moving hdd to hdb (on ide 0 with the main drive)? (swap, root, and home all competing for 1 channel) I have always run cd drives as slaves, with no perforamance hits. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
--- Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:13,Tyler Regas scribed: I'm in for that. Just of note, I think we should find out where everyone lives first. Then we can decide on a globally neutral locale to give the largest number of members the best chance of actually showing up. Lets see if I can't get my mail server to take a collection :) Tyler Afganistan ?? There seems to be many Brits, Yanks and Oz people there at the moment. I think there is a definite lack of alcohol electricity, thus impeding an installfest. = Lonni J. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step help: http://netllama.ipfox.com . __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: ext3 on root partition question
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:34:15 -0500 Douglas J Hunley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jerry McBride babbled on about: I wasn't able to fsck and ext3 partition with old ext2 utils... Quite embarassing. if you're running ext3 you need a recent e2fsprogs and util-linux anyway. I kinda thought that this was a given. That's correct. But my original post was to the effect of making people aware of a real bad gotcha is your RESCUE floppy wasn' ext3 aware. It can be very embarassing. :') ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: Re: VMware Wkstn 3.0 and XP Upgrade
Hello Skippy, It actually went quite well and runs damn faster than natively. I am satisfied that I went ahead and bought the upgrade to VMware 3.0 from 2.04 Express. Now, I will rarely have to boot into native winblows. Best Regards, Keith B. Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:07,[EMAIL PROTECTED] scribed: Hello List(s), I know that VMware DOES NOT support using raw devices under Windows XP, but has any done this? Also, has anyone been able to use the XP upgrade under VMware? I am using VMware 3.0 with Win98SE and got a copy of XP Home Edition Upgrade which I booted into Windows and upgraded winME. That runs better now, but I still prefer Linux. I have not activated XP yet as I am debating on using it under VMware, but if I could use it from it's own partition BEFORE I activate and whithout any oopses or gotcha's that would be better. Anyone? Best Regards, Keith B Tried it and threw it off, put 2000 up instead. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:21:47PM -0700, Tyler Regas wrote: The question was about length of command lines, and that's what I answered. How does that relate to GUIs? It relates to GUIs in that I would not think to use the command that you suggested. I simply saw an interesting component to the thread and followed it. The main reason I posted it is that people often don't think to use xargs which is one of the more useful programs around, far more efficient than find's -exec argument which is often overused. The beauty of mailing lists like this is that there are often pearls amongst the discussion of politics and other OT stuff. In particular I had forgotten the ctrl-alt-esc sequence in X-windows which allows one to nuke any window, and have used it several times in the last few days when I had frozen windows (opera6 in downloads mostly). Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX:(206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 URL: http://www.celestial.com/ Government is actually the worst failure of civilized man. There has never been a really good one, and even those that are most tolerable are arbitrary, cruel, grasping and unintelligent. -- H. L. Mencken ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: an interesting experience
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 04:32:40PM -0500, Kurt Wall wrote: ... A plant originally used in the American southeast as roadside cover, until governments discovered that it grows very rapidly, is impossible to kill, and entombs everything in its path in a very attractive, leafy vine. I had a friend who lived just north of Atlanta who went away for a few weeks, and when he returned his car was totally covered with kudzu. The first time I saw it was when driving to a race at Road Atlanta, and the phone poles looked like green pyramid tents where kudzu had grown up over and around them. Bill -- INTERNET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC UUCP: camco!bill PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way FAX: (206) 232-9186 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820; (206) 236-1676 http://www.celestial.com/ The question is, why are politicians so eager to be president? What is it about the job that makes it worth revealing, on national television, that you have the ethical standards of a slime-coated piece of industrial waste? -- Dave Barry, On Presidential Politics ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
The main reason I posted it is that people often don't think to use xargs which is one of the more useful programs around, far more efficient than find's -exec argument which is often overused. What are the benefits of using xargs as opposed to the -exec option? Take this from the POV of a guy who doesn't spend much time in the CLI :) The beauty of mailing lists like this is that there are often pearls amongst the discussion of politics and other OT stuff. In particular I had forgotten the ctrl-alt-esc sequence in X-windows which allows one to nuke any window, and have used it several times in the last few days when I had frozen windows (opera6 in downloads mostly). You are very correct. I personally use xkill as its not dependant on a key sequence, but then I use a nasty mix of KDE and GNOME with a rather complex Mac-like keyboard shortcut set G. -- PDA HandyMan www.pdahandyman.com Giving the Mobile User What They Really Want! ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: length of command-line
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 05:28:04PM -0700, Tyler Regas wrote:
The main reason I posted it is that people often don't think to use xargs
which is one of the more useful programs around, far more efficient than
find's -exec argument which is often overused.
What are the benefits of using xargs as opposed to the -exec option? Take
this from the POV of a guy who doesn't spend much time in the CLI :)
Primarily that it doesn't exec the command for each file, but groups them
together. These two commands should do the same thing, but the second will
only exec the grep command a few times while the first will do it for every
file (the exec format may not be correct since I rarely use it).
find . -type f -exec 'grep -l pattern {} \;' /tmp/list
find . -type f -print | grep -l pattern /tmp/list
The beauty of mailing lists like this is that there are often pearls
amongst the discussion of politics and other OT stuff. In particular I had
forgotten the ctrl-alt-esc sequence in X-windows which allows one to nuke
any window, and have used it several times in the last few days when I had
frozen windows (opera6 in downloads mostly).
You are very correct. I personally use xkill as its not dependant on a key
sequence, but then I use a nasty mix of KDE and GNOME with a rather complex
Mac-like keyboard shortcut set G.
I think that the ctrl-alt-esc uses xkill.
Bill
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These are the items that iam interested in selling.. Could you help me with some details on the goods, history, origin etc. are these worth anything and if so who would i contact with regards to selling them? and the best way to sell them ie auction etc APOLOGISE IF YOU HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL JPEGS ARE AVAILABLE AT YOUR REQUEST MANY THANX kriss rolo tel: 0044 182760393 office (uk) 0044 1216864211 home (uk) 0044 7814294018 mobile (uk) return e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] UK ONLY VEHICLE REGISTRATION NUMBER N64 CON NINTENDO 64 CONSOLE item 1 hand carved round table with metal chain link in the middle item 2 magnum laurent perrier vintage 1988 champagne item 3 miniture football on stand from euro96 signed by pele and bobby charlton item 4 is a bit more interesting. its a protana minifon attache, as u will see ive enclosed notes from a web site regarding this and you will see back in the 50's it cost $340.00 so i could imagine this to be worth a bit. it also has an original tape inside i do not know what is on this tape, but judging by who made it and the cost of the machine, the tape could have some important information on it. heres the note. The Minifon, developed in the early 1950s by Monske GMBH of Hanover(or by Protona GMBH- I'm not certain), was an ultra-miniaturized, battery operated magnetic recording device. It could not (initially at least) record the full range of sounds and was thus limited to voice recording, but it did offer easy portability in a very small package. The idea of offering a pocket dictating machine was novel, since dictation had previously been done in the office. However, it was thought that people like salesmen could take the machine on the road with them. Once on the market, the Minifon's promoters discovered that many people took advantage of the recorder's small size to make secret recordings to be used as evidence, as in court.BR BR The legitimate use of the Minifon, as a dictating machine, was somewhat problematical. Recordings made on regular dictating equipment were usually letters, and thus were normally sent almost immediately to a typist. The Minifon offered no obvious advantages over standard dictation equipment for office use, but its developers hoped to cultivate new uses for dictation equipment, such as stock taking in warehouses, or the use of the machine as a substitute for note-taking by reporters, insurance adjusters, salesmen, and others. In its original form, the Minifon was a wire recorder, using a type of wire medium developed by the Armour Research Foundation of Chicago and employed in many similar devices since the late 1940s. The machine at its introduction in 1952 had a recording time of one hour, which was remarkably long, and weighed only about 3 pounds at a time when a typical office dictating machine weighed upwards of 10 pounds. It accomplished this small size and light weight in part through the use of miniature tubes and clever mechanical design. The basic machine cost $289.50-- a price that sounds high today but was very much in line with competing office dictating machines. The parent company attempted to set up distribution, sales and service networks in the United States. It established a business office called the Minifon Export Corp in New York, and an existing company, Harvey Radio in New York City became the main distributor. Although smaller tape recorders appeared at about the same time, the main competition in the voice recording field was from an American company, Mohawk, which made a small, battery-operated cartridge tape recorder called the Migetape. Both products sold less than 10,000 units per year in the U.S.BR After a few years, the Minifon was modified to use transistors and magnetic tape, further lowering its weight and cost. By 1962 the basic machine weighed in at only 1.5 pounds. Competition by this time had helped bring the cost down to $249.50. The Minifon after about 1962 was distributed by the international conglomerate ITT through its subsidiary in the U.S., Federal Electric Corp. A little later, distribution was taken over by the ITT Distributor Products Division in Lodi, New Jersey. (I don't know whether these were the same company with different names) By the time ITT became associated with this product, it had taken on the name of Minifon Attache, and a new line of models and options appeared. These included a hi-fi model, the 978H, which sold for $330.50.Usinga two-track, 1/4 inch tape cartridge operating at 1 7/8 inches per second, the machine claimed a frequency response of up to 12,000 Hz, plus or minus 3db. The coming of magnetic tape did not completely displace wire. The Model 240 series of recorders introduced in the early 1960s were probably the last wire recorders in regular production. The 240L, at a price of $269.50 used a special long-playing wire cartridge that held 4 hours of wire. Otherwise it looked like both the tape model and the 240S,
Re: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON
WTF?? On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:43:06 - kriss rolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are the items that iam interested in selling.. Could you help me with some details on the goods, history, origin etc. are these worth anything and if so who would i contact with regards to selling them? and the best way to sell them ie auction etc APOLOGISE IF YOU HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL JPEGS ARE AVAILABLE AT YOUR REQUEST MANY THANX kriss rolo tel: 0044 182760393 office (uk) 0044 1216864211 home (uk) 0044 7814294018 mobile (uk) return e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] UK ONLY VEHICLE REGISTRATION NUMBER N64 CON NINTENDO 64 CONSOLE item 1 hand carved round table with metal chain link in the middle item 2 magnum laurent perrier vintage 1988 champagne item 3 miniture football on stand from euro96 signed by pele and bobby charlton item 4 is a bit more interesting. its a protana minifon attache, as u will see ive enclosed notes from a web site regarding this and you will see back in the 50's it cost $340.00 so i could imagine this to be worth a bit. it also has an original tape inside i do not know what is on this tape, but judging by who made it and the cost of the machine, the tape could have some important information on it. heres the note. The Minifon, developed in the early 1950s by Monske GMBH of Hanover(or by Protona GMBH- I'm not certain), was an ultra-miniaturized, battery operated magnetic recording device. It could not (initially at least) record the full range of sounds and was thus limited to voice recording, but it did offer easy portability in a very small package. The idea of offering a pocket dictating machine was novel, since dictation had previously been done in the office. However, it was thought that people like salesmen could take the machine on the road with them. Once on the market, the Minifon's promoters discovered that many people took advantage of the recorder's small size to make secret recordings to be used as evidence, as in court.BR BR The legitimate use of the Minifon, as a dictating machine, was somewhat problematical. Recordings made on regular dictating equipment were usually letters, and thus were normally sent almost immediately to a typist. The Minifon offered no obvious advantages over standard dictation equipment for office use, but its developers hoped to cultivate new uses for dictation equipment, such as stock taking in warehouses, or the use of the machine as a substitute for note-taking by reporters, insurance adjusters, salesmen, and others. In its original form, the Minifon was a wire recorder, using a type of wire medium developed by the Armour Research Foundation of Chicago and employed in many similar devices since the late 1940s. The machine at its introduction in 1952 had a recording time of one hour, which was remarkably long, and weighed only about 3 pounds at a time when a typical office dictating machine weighed upwards of 10 pounds. It accomplished this small size and light weight in part through the use of miniature tubes and clever mechanical design. The basic machine cost $289.50-- a price that sounds high today but was very much in line with competing office dictating machines. The parent company attempted to set up distribution, sales and service networks in the United States. It established a business office called the Minifon Export Corp in New York, and an existing company, Harvey Radio in New York City became the main distributor. Although smaller tape recorders appeared at about the same time, the main competition in the voice recording field was from an American company, Mohawk, which made a small, battery-operated cartridge tape recorder called the Migetape. Both products sold less than 10,000 units per year in the U.S.BR After a few years, the Minifon was modified to use transistors and magnetic tape, further lowering its weight and cost. By 1962 the basic machine weighed in at only 1.5 pounds. Competition by this time had helped bring the cost down to $249.50. The Minifon after about 1962 was distributed by the international conglomerate ITT through its subsidiary in the U.S., Federal Electric Corp. A little later, distribution was taken over by the ITT Distributor Products Division in Lodi, New Jersey. (I don't know whether these were the same company with different names) By the time ITT became associated with this product, it had taken on the name of Minifon Attache, and a new line of models and options appeared. These included a hi-fi model, the 978H, which sold for $330.50.Usinga two-track, 1/4 inch tape cartridge operating at 1 7/8 inches per second, the machine claimed a frequency response of up to 12,000 Hz, plus or minus 3db. The coming of magnetic tape did not completely displace wire. The Model 240 series of recorders introduced in the early 1960s were probably the last wire
Re: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:43:06 - kriss rolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snipped a bunch of crap So... who was it that was asking what was wrong with having a newsgroup? -- Myles Green Calgary AB Canada Alberta Linux Step by Step Mirror: http://mylesg.homelinux.net/ -- USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: OT Thinkpad upgrade
I have once used Symantec Ghost which copied my complete HDD on another disk and after reformatting my HDD I again used Ghost to copy the contents to the original HDD and all settings were as before. But mine was PC. I think taking the original HDD to PC and then attach the other one (bigger) as slave. Copy the contents of it on the new one using ghost. Then put extra OS(win, SUSE). This msy solve your problem. Please mail me if I am wrong logically so I would not make the same mistake next time. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bruce Marshall Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT Thinkpad upgrade On Tuesday 22 January 2002 0:06 am, Philip J. Koenig wrote: On 21 Jan 2002, at 12:57, Bill Campbell boldly uttered: BTW: When I got the new hard drive, I called IBM support to find out where to buy an extra mounting bracket for the new drive so I could just swap drives quickly without having to mess with screws and such. The support person said this wasn't really his department, but took the model number, got the necessary part numbers, and set up a conference call with the appropriate people so I could order it quickly. Excellent support is the primary reason we use only IBM laptops (that and I can't stand the touchpads instead of the little eraser in the keyboard :-). One thing that you can do on some Thinkpads is get a converter that will allow you to replace the battery with a 2nd HD. I did this on my older Tpad when doing an HD upgrade and it's a *way* convenient way to copy stuff over without having to deal with external backup mediums. I totally agree on IBM service, which is one reason why I'm a dedicated Tpad user and I recommend them to all my clients. Phil I think I've found an answer I have backup software that will write to a disk... that disk can be remote on the LAN. So I will backup the TP to another Windows machine, put the new drive in and install a new Windows and the backup software. Then restore from the backup. If all goes well, the job is done. -- +--- -+ + Bruce S. Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bellaire, MI 01/22/02 00:15 + +--- -+ Schnatterly's Summing Up of the Corollaries: If anything can't go wrong, it will ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
problem
I had a problem with XP, on that platform my mail server and messenger was not working so I formatted again and installed W2K and installed outlook XP and now it is working. Do anyone can help me what the problem was? So I can solve it in the future if any of my friends can have that problem. Apart from this XP was good, has very quick boot time, good integration of file types, etc. Now after using XP it is clear to me that windows has the same way of doing things that Linux does, only GUI make it easy for newbies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of stayler Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 11:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together? On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:11:37 -0500, Bruce Marshall wrote: 2003?? By then we'll all be running Windows XP :o) boio hs ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON
NOTE: So... who was it that was asking what was wrong with having a newsgroup? NOTE: USER, n.: The word computer professionals use when they mean idiot. So, is this guy a user? ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On Jan 22 Susan Macchia was heard saying: -I would be interested. July is out though and I probably couldn't travel all -the way to the west coast (sorry llama) since I live on the east :-) *** East, west... You forgot there're Europeans on this list too... ;-) Cheers, Zoran. -- If you find me, please return me to my $HOME: my address is 'cd'. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON
WTF we got spammers here??? Now I am pissed !!! Oh my god ...no wonder AOL luser I'm speachless and out of any intelligent response except I hope some one will click in your head with a brick. Romio, now pissed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Myles Green Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 4:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: SOME ITEMS THAT YOU MAY BE INTERESTED IN OR BE ABLE TO ADVISE ME ON WTF?? On Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:43:06 - kriss rolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are the items that iam interested in selling.. Could you help me with some details on the goods, history, origin etc. are these worth anything and if so who would i contact with regards to selling them? and the best way to sell them ie auction etc APOLOGISE IF YOU HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED THIS E-MAIL JPEGS ARE AVAILABLE AT YOUR REQUEST MANY THANX kriss rolo tel: 0044 182760393 office (uk) 0044 1216864211 home (uk) 0044 7814294018 mobile (uk) return e-mail address [EMAIL PROTECTED] UK ONLY VEHICLE REGISTRATION NUMBER N64 CON NINTENDO 64 CONSOLE item 1 hand carved round table with metal chain link in the middle item 2 magnum laurent perrier vintage 1988 champagne item 3 miniture football on stand from euro96 signed by pele and bobby charlton item 4 is a bit more interesting. its a protana minifon attache, as u will see ive enclosed notes from a web site regarding this and you will see back in the 50's it cost $340.00 so i could imagine this to be worth a bit. it also has an original tape inside i do not know what is on this tape, but judging by who made it and the cost of the machine, the tape could have some important information on it. heres the note. The Minifon, developed in the early 1950s by Monske GMBH of Hanover(or by Protona GMBH- I'm not certain), was an ultra-miniaturized, battery operated magnetic recording device. It could not (initially at least) record the full range of sounds and was thus limited to voice recording, but it did offer easy portability in a very small package. The idea of offering a pocket dictating machine was novel, since dictation had previously been done in the office. However, it was thought that people like salesmen could take the machine on the road with them. Once on the market, the Minifon's promoters discovered that many people took advantage of the recorder's small size to make secret recordings to be used as evidence, as in court.BR BR The legitimate use of the Minifon, as a dictating machine, was somewhat problematical. Recordings made on regular dictating equipment were usually letters, and thus were normally sent almost immediately to a typist. The Minifon offered no obvious advantages over standard dictation equipment for office use, but its developers hoped to cultivate new uses for dictation equipment, such as stock taking in warehouses, or the use of the machine as a substitute for note-taking by reporters, insurance adjusters, salesmen, and others. In its original form, the Minifon was a wire recorder, using a type of wire medium developed by the Armour Research Foundation of Chicago and employed in many similar devices since the late 1940s. The machine at its introduction in 1952 had a recording time of one hour, which was remarkably long, and weighed only about 3 pounds at a time when a typical office dictating machine weighed upwards of 10 pounds. It accomplished this small size and light weight in part through the use of miniature tubes and clever mechanical design. The basic machine cost $289.50-- a price that sounds high today but was very much in line with competing office dictating machines. The parent company attempted to set up distribution, sales and service networks in the United States. It established a business office called the Minifon Export Corp in New York, and an existing company, Harvey Radio in New York City became the main distributor. Although smaller tape recorders appeared at about the same time, the main competition in the voice recording field was from an American company, Mohawk, which made a small, battery-operated cartridge tape recorder called the Migetape. Both products sold less than 10,000 units per year in the U.S.BR After a few years, the Minifon was modified to use transistors and magnetic tape, further lowering its weight and cost. By 1962 the basic machine weighed in at only 1.5 pounds. Competition by this time had helped bring the cost down to $249.50. The Minifon after about 1962 was distributed by the international conglomerate ITT through its subsidiary in the U.S., Federal Electric Corp. A little later, distribution was taken over by the ITT Distributor Products Division in Lodi, New Jersey. (I don't know whether these were the same company with different names) By the time ITT became associated with this product, it had taken
RE: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On Jan 22 Tyler Regas was heard saying: -Its seems I've screwed up again :P My excuse will be that I twisted my ankle -this morning taking my daughter to school. The correct mail address is: *** Ofcourse, if you try to type with it I can understand it took 4 mails to get the address right... ;-P snip Cheers, Zoran. -- If you find me, please return me to my $HOME: my address is 'cd'. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
On Jan 22 phillipp was heard saying: - Welcom to the eas coast Kurt! - I always thought it would be helpfull if people were encouraged - to put something like location /phone in thier signatures. Are - there a gazillion good reasons not to do that?? *** Yep, because the mail is archived and available to anybody on the Net... Cheers, Zoran. -- If you find me, please return me to my $HOME: my address is 'cd'. ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
RE: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together?
Where ever it might be count me in as I need a Holliday and ummdo they have JimBeam and nice woman in Afganistan? Lavinius Romio Petru Network Administrator www.rom-tech.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Brisbane, Australia, Springwood exit off the highway two lefts ..three rights pass the roundabout and 5th house on yer right -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Keith Antoine Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2002 7:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OTinterest in an annual SxS get-together? On Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:13,Tyler Regas scribed: I'm in for that. Just of note, I think we should find out where everyone lives first. Then we can decide on a globally neutral locale to give the largest number of members the best chance of actually showing up. Lets see if I can't get my mail server to take a collection :) Tyler Afganistan ?? There seems to be many Brits, Yanks and Oz people there at the moment. -- Keith Antoine aka 'skippy' 18 Arkana St, The Gap, Queensland 4061 Australia PH:61733002161 Retired Geriatric, Sometime Electronics Engineer, Knowall, Brain in storage smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature
Re: problem
Today zohar was heard saying: -I had a problem with XP, on that platform my mail server and messenger -was not working so I formatted again and installed W2K and installed -outlook XP and now it is working. Do anyone can help me what the problem -was? So I can solve it in the future if any of my friends can have that -problem. *** I will politely remind you that this is a **Linux** list. I'm not sure the details of your problem are of a lot of interest (I'm willingly using an understatement here) to this user-base. I think your specific problem can be best solved by calling the M'$oft Hot-line. -Apart from this XP was good, has very quick boot time, good integration -of file types, etc. *** Interesting, I think I'll ditch Linux now and install this product. I especially like the quick boot times: It looks like a very important feature for the Microsoft OS product line. BTW, does XP allow to customise the BSOD or is that feature available in the to be released Norton Utilities? -Now after using XP it is clear to me that windows has the same way of -doing things that Linux does, only GUI make it easy for newbies. *** Weeell, I don't know... I think I prefer :0: * ^From.*[EMAIL PROTECTED]* /dev/null to any GUI interface... Cheers, Zoran. -- If you find me, please return me to my $HOME: my address is 'cd'. P.S. Part of my message should be read with a :-P in mind... ___ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
