RE: [PATCH V3 07/17] riscv: compat: Re-implement TASK_SIZE for COMPAT_32BIT
... > One example of software that runs into virtual memory size limitations is > the gnu linker when building large applications, but it's unlikely that you'll > actually need to run applications that run into this, while also needing to > build them natively. There are also database programs that want to mmap() large sparse files. To some extent that is where the pressure for 64bit addresses comes from. While (I think) most of the current riscv systems are 'toy' ones there are definitely press reports of some quite high power systems. I suspect they are less 'toy' than the Altera (Intel) Nios processors we use on out fpga - you can run linux on the Nios cpu, but you probably don't really want to do so. Better to find an fpga with a 'proper' ARM core in the corner. David - Registered Address Lakeside, Bramley Road, Mount Farm, Milton Keynes, MK1 1PT, UK Registration No: 1397386 (Wales)
Re: [PATCH V3 07/17] riscv: compat: Re-implement TASK_SIZE for COMPAT_32BIT
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 2:27 PM Guo Ren wrote: > On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 8:53 PM David Laight wrote: > > I think the x86-64 32bit compat code even puts the boundary at 4GB. > Yes, we could give rv32 compat for 4GB with some effort. But it's unnecessary. > > There are no history issues for rv32, we use compat mode to reduce > memory footprint. eg: only 64MB memory available. > > At end compat for 4GB is another topic, let's give the initial compat > for 2GB support to riscv. I think it's fine either way. Having the entire 4GB space available is nice when you are trying to build 32-bit software natively rather then using a cross-compiler, as you can just do it on a larger machine that supports both. One example of software that runs into virtual memory size limitations is the gnu linker when building large applications, but it's unlikely that you'll actually need to run applications that run into this, while also needing to build them natively. Using the same limit as on native 32-bit machines can help with compatibility of certain software, but again this is rarely a problem and I have not seen any reports of issues with the 4GB TASK_SIZE_32 on arm64. On x86, there is an option to use the native 3GB TASK_SIZE for compat tasks. This was introduced to work around buggy applications a long time ago, but is probably not used any more in practice. Arnd
Re: [PATCH V3 07/17] riscv: compat: Re-implement TASK_SIZE for COMPAT_32BIT
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 8:53 PM David Laight wrote: > > > > Limit 32-bit compatible process in 0-2GB virtual address range > > > (which is enough for real scenarios), because it could avoid > > > address sign extend problem when 32-bit enter 64-bit and ease > > > software design. > > Eh? > I thought nearly all the other 32bit unix ports (of any flavour) > put the user-kernel boundary at 3GB. No, riscv32 is about 2.4G, csky is 2G/2.5G. > (Apart from some very old sparc ones that use 3.5GB.) > > 2GB is used by Windows. > > I think the x86-64 32bit compat code even puts the boundary at 4GB. Yes, we could give rv32 compat for 4GB with some effort. But it's unnecessary. There are no history issues for rv32, we use compat mode to reduce memory footprint. eg: only 64MB memory available. At end compat for 4GB is another topic, let's give the initial compat for 2GB support to riscv. > > David > > - > Registered Address Lakeside, Bramley Road, Mount Farm, Milton Keynes, MK1 > 1PT, UK > Registration No: 1397386 (Wales) -- Best Regards Guo Ren ML: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-csky/
RE: [PATCH V3 07/17] riscv: compat: Re-implement TASK_SIZE for COMPAT_32BIT
> > Limit 32-bit compatible process in 0-2GB virtual address range > > (which is enough for real scenarios), because it could avoid > > address sign extend problem when 32-bit enter 64-bit and ease > > software design. Eh? I thought nearly all the other 32bit unix ports (of any flavour) put the user-kernel boundary at 3GB. (Apart from some very old sparc ones that use 3.5GB.) 2GB is used by Windows. I think the x86-64 32bit compat code even puts the boundary at 4GB. David - Registered Address Lakeside, Bramley Road, Mount Farm, Milton Keynes, MK1 1PT, UK Registration No: 1397386 (Wales)
Re: [PATCH V3 07/17] riscv: compat: Re-implement TASK_SIZE for COMPAT_32BIT
On Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 8:39 AM wrote: > > From: Guo Ren > > Make TASK_SIZE from const to dynamic detect TIF_32BIT flag > function. Refer to arm64 to implement DEFAULT_MAP_WINDOW_64 for > efi-stub. > > Limit 32-bit compatible process in 0-2GB virtual address range > (which is enough for real scenarios), because it could avoid > address sign extend problem when 32-bit enter 64-bit and ease > software design. > > The standard 32-bit TASK_SIZE is 0x9dc0:FIXADDR_START, and > compared to a compatible 32-bit, it increases 476MB for the > application's virtual address. > > Signed-off-by: Guo Ren > Signed-off-by: Guo Ren > Cc: Arnd Bergmann Reviewed-by: Arnd Bergmann
