Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Adam Nielsen]

> As another owner of a DTI-520, my stylus appears to be different from
> Adam's stylus. The eraser end does look like an eraser (and it does
> wiggle a bit), and when I press it against the tablet, the LED on the
> tablet flashes as if the tablet is reacting to it (in a similar way that
> the LED flashes when the "pencil" part of the stylus is pressed against
> the tablet).
>
> So I think that indicates that the DTI-520 *does* work with both a pointer
> and an eraser.

Interesting!  Do you think you would be able to get a couple of packet 
captures so I can see what USB data is transferred when you use the pen vs an 
eraser?

There are notes about how to see the USB data in the kernel docs[1] so if 
you're able to get this working let me know and I'll tell you what to look for.

You need to get it to the point (perhaps with grep) where you are only seeing 
USB events when you do something with the tablet.  You should see one or two 
when you press the tablet's buttons, and hundreds when you move the pen around.

Cheers,
Adam.

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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Adam Nielsen]

> That said, if the eraser end doesn't move around the cursor, there's a
> very good chance that there's no eraser. Examining a dump of the USB
> data would let you be "sure" (there shouldn't *be* a dump if there's
> no eraser ;)), but that's probably overkill ;)

Since I had to reverse engineer the USB protocol for this tablet, I can say 
with 100% certainly that no USB data is transferred when this not-an-eraser is 
moved or pressed against the screen.

There's also a LED on the screen which lights up when the stylus tip makes 
physical contact with the screen or the hardware buttons are pressed, and it 
doesn't light up when the not-an-eraser is used.

Cheers,
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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Kathryn Andersen]

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:46:49PM +1000, Adam Nielsen wrote:
> > The amount of movement as the eraser (what would be the rubber)
> > depresses into the stylus barrel varies by stylus model.  With one
> > stylus I have it slides in a noticeable distance but my BambooPT
> > stylus' eraser hardly slides in.  But it does wiggle a bit.
> >
> > Guess it depends on how the transducer is set up.
> 
> Well the tip on mine barely moves at all but it's pressure sensitive, however 
> the "eraser" is like a cap on the end of the pen - it doesn't look like it 
> can 
> move at all as it's flush with the rest of the pen's plastic shape.  It's got 
> a hole in it to attach a string or something so it can't get lost, so I'm not 
> really that surprised it doesn't work as an eraser.

As another owner of a DTI-520, my stylus appears to be different from
Adam's stylus. The eraser end does look like an eraser (and it does
wiggle a bit), and when I press it against the tablet, the LED on the
tablet flashes as if the tablet is reacting to it (in a similar way that
the LED flashes when the "pencil" part of the stylus is pressed against
the tablet).

So I think that indicates that the DTI-520 *does* work with both a pointer
and an eraser.

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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Favux ...]

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Jason Gerecke  wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Favux ...  wrote:
>>
>> Right, no eraser.  The lanyard eyelet clinches that.  The one in my
>> tablet PC's stylus is below the eraser.
> Actually, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. For example, I've
> got a DTU-2231 with a pen designated "UP-818E" whose eraser end has an
> eyelet and near-zero (physical) pressure response. However, the eraser
> end moves the cursor on screen and is pressure-sensitive in
> applications.

Ah, the eyelet mounted on the side of the "eraser" rather than on the
end?  I hadn't thought of that, I interpreted it as the eraser's end.

That would work on the BambooPT stylus eraser too but I'd be concerned
about the extra wear and tear with a cord attached even though it's
mobility is very limited.  Would much prefer the eyelet on the barrel.

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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Jason Gerecke]

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Favux ...  wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Adam Nielsen  wrote:
>>
>> Well the tip on mine barely moves at all but it's pressure sensitive,
>> however the "eraser" is like a cap on the end of the pen - it doesn't look
>> like it can move at all as it's flush with the rest of the pen's plastic
>> shape.  It's got a hole in it to attach a string or something so it can't
>> get lost, so I'm not really that surprised it doesn't work as an eraser.
>
> Right, no eraser.  The lanyard eyelet clinches that.  The one in my
> tablet PC's stylus is below the eraser.
Actually, that doesn't necessarily mean anything. For example, I've
got a DTU-2231 with a pen designated "UP-818E" whose eraser end has an
eyelet and near-zero (physical) pressure response. However, the eraser
end moves the cursor on screen and is pressure-sensitive in
applications.

That said, if the eraser end doesn't move around the cursor, there's a
very good chance that there's no eraser. Examining a dump of the USB
data would let you be "sure" (there shouldn't *be* a dump if there's
no eraser ;)), but that's probably overkill ;)

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> You'd have to find and buy a compatible stylus that has an eraser.
>
> Favux
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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Favux ...]

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Adam Nielsen  wrote:
>
> Well the tip on mine barely moves at all but it's pressure sensitive,
> however the "eraser" is like a cap on the end of the pen - it doesn't look
> like it can move at all as it's flush with the rest of the pen's plastic
> shape.  It's got a hole in it to attach a string or something so it can't
> get lost, so I'm not really that surprised it doesn't work as an eraser.

Right, no eraser.  The lanyard eyelet clinches that.  The one in my
tablet PC's stylus is below the eraser.

You'd have to find and buy a compatible stylus that has an eraser.

Favux

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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Adam Nielsen]

> The amount of movement as the eraser (what would be the rubber)
> depresses into the stylus barrel varies by stylus model.  With one
> stylus I have it slides in a noticeable distance but my BambooPT
> stylus' eraser hardly slides in.  But it does wiggle a bit.
>
> Guess it depends on how the transducer is set up.

Well the tip on mine barely moves at all but it's pressure sensitive, however 
the "eraser" is like a cap on the end of the pen - it doesn't look like it can 
move at all as it's flush with the rest of the pen's plastic shape.  It's got 
a hole in it to attach a string or something so it can't get lost, so I'm not 
really that surprised it doesn't work as an eraser.

Cheers,
Adam.


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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Chris Bagwell]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Adam Nielsen  wrote:
>>> just wondering if the DTI-520 gives you serial numbers for the styli or if
>>> this device uses generic serials.
>>
>> DTI-520 is a protocol 4 (V4) device. It does not support serial number
>> and tool IDs.
>
> What does "protocol 4" refer to?  Do you know why the USB communication
> protocol used on this tablet is completely different to all other Wacom 
> tablets?

This page will give you the scoop on "protocol 4".

http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linuxwacom/index.php?title=Wacom_Protocol_Overview

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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Ping Cheng]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Adam Nielsen  wrote:
>>> just wondering if the DTI-520 gives you serial numbers for the styli or
>>> if
>>> this device uses generic serials.
>>
>>
>> DTI-520 is a protocol 4 (V4) device. It does not support serial number
>> and tool IDs.
>
>
> What does "protocol 4" refer to?  Do you know why the USB communication
> protocol used on this tablet is completely different to all other Wacom
> tablets?

We basically support two versions of Wacom pen protocols here, V4 and
V5. V5 devices are Intuos and Cintiq V5 series, which report tool IDs
and serial numbers. All the other pen devices are V4, such as
Graphire, Bamboo, and DTI/DTF/ISDV4...

>
>> Does your eraser (physically) react to pressure, i.e., does your
>> eraser tip move when you press? If not, your pen does not have an
>> eraser
>
> No it definitely doesn't move, so I guess it's not an eraser then!

Your tool most likely does not have an eraser. Most DTI/DTF tools do
not have eraser out of box.

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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Favux ...]

The amount of movement as the eraser (what would be the rubber)
depresses into the stylus barrel varies by stylus model.  With one
stylus I have it slides in a noticeable distance but my BambooPT
stylus' eraser hardly slides in.  But it does wiggle a bit.

Guess it depends on how the transducer is set up.

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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Adam Nielsen]

>> just wondering if the DTI-520 gives you serial numbers for the styli or if
>> this device uses generic serials.
>
> DTI-520 is a protocol 4 (V4) device. It does not support serial number
> and tool IDs.

What does "protocol 4" refer to?  Do you know why the USB communication 
protocol used on this tablet is completely different to all other Wacom tablets?

> Does your eraser (physically) react to pressure, i.e., does your
> eraser tip move when you press? If not, your pen does not have an
> eraser.

No it definitely doesn't move, so I guess it's not an eraser then!

Thanks,
Adam.


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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Ping Cheng]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Adam Nielsen  wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
>> just wondering if the DTI-520 gives you serial numbers for the styli or if
>> this device uses generic serials.
>>  From what I can tell from the tech specs, this devices does not have an
>> eraser, right?
>
> Unfortunately I've got no way of knowing, as I only have one stylus to test
> with and don't have access to any others.  It appears to have an eraser on it
> but it doesn't do anything (no USB data when it is used.)  But I can't confirm
> whether it's a limitation of the tablet or if it's not actually an eraser on
> the stylus.

Does your eraser (physically) react to pressure, i.e., does your
eraser tip move when you press? If not, your pen does not have an
eraser.

Ping

>
> There are only two things I haven't been able to ascertain about the USB
> protocol for the tablet.  One is why there are two proximity values (one is
> set when the stylus gets close, and the other one is set when it gets really
> close) so I'm not sure whether one is actually some sort of tool ID.  The
> other is that when the stylus gets in range, the very first set of coordinates
> (and only the first set) are way off (huge negative values) and they're always
> the same, which I suspect could be a tool ID or possibly a short serial 
> number.
>
> But alas, without access to other styli I'm afraid I can't test any further!
>
> Cheers,
> Adam.
>
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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Ping Cheng]

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Peter Hutterer
 wrote:
> Adam,
>
> just wondering if the DTI-520 gives you serial numbers for the styli or if
> this device uses generic serials.

DTI-520 is a protocol 4 (V4) device. It does not support serial number
and tool IDs.

> >From what I can tell from the tech specs, this devices does not have an
> eraser, right?

This is the same as Graphires. Even if the pen included in the box
does not have eraser, user may use a pen with eraser.

Ping

>
> Cheers,
>  Peter
>
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 04:13:08PM +1000, Adam Nielsen wrote:
>> Add support for the DTI-520
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Adam Nielsen 
>> ---
>>  src/wcmUSB.c            |    1 +
>>  src/wcmValidateDevice.c |    1 +
>>  2 files changed, 2 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/src/wcmUSB.c b/src/wcmUSB.c
>> index f62fd5b..142325b 100644
>> --- a/src/wcmUSB.c
>> +++ b/src/wcmUSB.c
>> @@ -223,6 +223,7 @@ static struct
>>       { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x37,  2,  2, &usbCintiq     }, /* PL700 */
>>       { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x38,  2,  2, &usbCintiq     }, /* PL510 */
>>       { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x39,  2,  2, &usbCintiq     }, /* PL710 */
>> +     { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x3A,  2,  2, &usbCintiq     }, /* DTI520 */
>>       { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC0,  2,  2, &usbCintiq     }, /* DTF720 */
>>       { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC2,  2,  2, &usbCintiq     }, /* DTF720a 
>> */
>>       { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC4,  2,  2, &usbCintiq     }, /* DTF521 */
>> diff --git a/src/wcmValidateDevice.c b/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
>> index 4d7c791..53c38c3 100644
>> --- a/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
>> +++ b/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
>> @@ -240,6 +240,7 @@ int wcmDeviceTypeKeys(InputInfoPtr pInfo)
>>               case 0x37:  /* PL700 */
>>               case 0x38:  /* PL510 */
>>               case 0x39:  /* PL710 */
>> +             case 0x3A:  /* DTI520 */
>>               case 0xC0:  /* DTF720 */
>>               case 0xC2:  /* DTF720a */
>>               case 0xC4:  /* DTF521 */
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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Peter Hutterer]

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:05:14AM +1000, Adam Nielsen wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> 
> >just wondering if the DTI-520 gives you serial numbers for the styli or if
> >this device uses generic serials.
> > From what I can tell from the tech specs, this devices does not have an
> >eraser, right?
> 
> Unfortunately I've got no way of knowing, as I only have one stylus
> to test with and don't have access to any others.  It appears to
> have an eraser on it but it doesn't do anything (no USB data when it
> is used.)  But I can't confirm whether it's a limitation of the
> tablet or if it's not actually an eraser on the stylus.

> There are only two things I haven't been able to ascertain about the
> USB protocol for the tablet.  One is why there are two proximity
> values (one is set when the stylus gets close, and the other one is
> set when it gets really close) so I'm not sure whether one is
> actually some sort of tool ID.  The other is that when the stylus
> gets in range, the very first set of coordinates (and only the first
> set) are way off (huge negative values) and they're always the same,
> which I suspect could be a tool ID or possibly a short serial
> number.
> 
> But alas, without access to other styli I'm afraid I can't test any further!

Thanks. Ping/Jason - can you chime in here?

Cheers,
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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Adam Nielsen]

Hi Peter,

> just wondering if the DTI-520 gives you serial numbers for the styli or if
> this device uses generic serials.
>  From what I can tell from the tech specs, this devices does not have an
> eraser, right?

Unfortunately I've got no way of knowing, as I only have one stylus to test 
with and don't have access to any others.  It appears to have an eraser on it 
but it doesn't do anything (no USB data when it is used.)  But I can't confirm 
whether it's a limitation of the tablet or if it's not actually an eraser on 
the stylus.

There are only two things I haven't been able to ascertain about the USB 
protocol for the tablet.  One is why there are two proximity values (one is 
set when the stylus gets close, and the other one is set when it gets really 
close) so I'm not sure whether one is actually some sort of tool ID.  The 
other is that when the stylus gets in range, the very first set of coordinates 
(and only the first set) are way off (huge negative values) and they're always 
the same, which I suspect could be a tool ID or possibly a short serial number.

But alas, without access to other styli I'm afraid I can't test any further!

Cheers,
Adam.


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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Peter Hutterer]

Adam,

just wondering if the DTI-520 gives you serial numbers for the styli or if
this device uses generic serials.
>From what I can tell from the tech specs, this devices does not have an
eraser, right?

Cheers,
  Peter

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 04:13:08PM +1000, Adam Nielsen wrote:
> Add support for the DTI-520
> 
> Signed-off-by: Adam Nielsen 
> ---
>  src/wcmUSB.c|1 +
>  src/wcmValidateDevice.c |1 +
>  2 files changed, 2 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/src/wcmUSB.c b/src/wcmUSB.c
> index f62fd5b..142325b 100644
> --- a/src/wcmUSB.c
> +++ b/src/wcmUSB.c
> @@ -223,6 +223,7 @@ static struct
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x37,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* PL700 */
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x38,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* PL510 */
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x39,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* PL710 */
> + { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x3A,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTI520 */
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC0,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTF720 */
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC2,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTF720a */
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC4,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTF521 */
> diff --git a/src/wcmValidateDevice.c b/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
> index 4d7c791..53c38c3 100644
> --- a/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
> +++ b/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
> @@ -240,6 +240,7 @@ int wcmDeviceTypeKeys(InputInfoPtr pInfo)
>   case 0x37:  /* PL700 */
>   case 0x38:  /* PL510 */
>   case 0x39:  /* PL710 */
> + case 0x3A:  /* DTI520 */
>   case 0xC0:  /* DTF720 */
>   case 0xC2:  /* DTF720a */
>   case 0xC4:  /* DTF521 */
> -- 
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Re: [Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Peter Hutterer]

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 04:13:08PM +1000, Adam Nielsen wrote:
> Add support for the DTI-520
> 
> Signed-off-by: Adam Nielsen 
> ---

pushed, thanks. Can you make a patch to libwacom as well please?

Cheers,
  Peter

>  src/wcmUSB.c|1 +
>  src/wcmValidateDevice.c |1 +
>  2 files changed, 2 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/src/wcmUSB.c b/src/wcmUSB.c
> index f62fd5b..142325b 100644
> --- a/src/wcmUSB.c
> +++ b/src/wcmUSB.c
> @@ -223,6 +223,7 @@ static struct
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x37,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* PL700 */
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x38,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* PL510 */
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x39,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* PL710 */
> + { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x3A,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTI520 */
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC0,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTF720 */
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC2,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTF720a */
>   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC4,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTF521 */
> diff --git a/src/wcmValidateDevice.c b/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
> index 4d7c791..53c38c3 100644
> --- a/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
> +++ b/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
> @@ -240,6 +240,7 @@ int wcmDeviceTypeKeys(InputInfoPtr pInfo)
>   case 0x37:  /* PL700 */
>   case 0x38:  /* PL510 */
>   case 0x39:  /* PL710 */
> + case 0x3A:  /* DTI520 */
>   case 0xC0:  /* DTF720 */
>   case 0xC2:  /* DTF720a */
>   case 0xC4:  /* DTF521 */
> -- 
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[Linuxwacom-devel] [PATCH 1/1] Add support for the DTI-520

[Adam Nielsen]

Add support for the DTI-520

Signed-off-by: Adam Nielsen 
---
 src/wcmUSB.c|1 +
 src/wcmValidateDevice.c |1 +
 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+)

diff --git a/src/wcmUSB.c b/src/wcmUSB.c
index f62fd5b..142325b 100644
--- a/src/wcmUSB.c
+++ b/src/wcmUSB.c
@@ -223,6 +223,7 @@ static struct
{ WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x37,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* PL700 */
{ WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x38,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* PL510 */
{ WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x39,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* PL710 */
+   { WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0x3A,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTI520 */
{ WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC0,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTF720 */
{ WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC2,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTF720a */
{ WACOM_VENDOR_ID, 0xC4,  2,  2, &usbCintiq }, /* DTF521 */
diff --git a/src/wcmValidateDevice.c b/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
index 4d7c791..53c38c3 100644
--- a/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
+++ b/src/wcmValidateDevice.c
@@ -240,6 +240,7 @@ int wcmDeviceTypeKeys(InputInfoPtr pInfo)
case 0x37:  /* PL700 */
case 0x38:  /* PL510 */
case 0x39:  /* PL710 */
+   case 0x3A:  /* DTI520 */
case 0xC0:  /* DTF720 */
case 0xC2:  /* DTF720a */
case 0xC4:  /* DTF521 */
-- 
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