Re: Lisa disks

[Macmoni]

Hi !

I only have a pair of Lisa OS 1.0 disks, which were used in Germany at a
nearby Hard- and Software Develloping Factory, which had a short cooperation
with Apple in the mid 80ies.
They intended to develop an Audio-I/O Card for Lisa and Apple gave a set of
7 Lisas so that the engineers there could start their work...
Later there was a break in this short customer-relationship and Apple kicked
off the Lisa Development, so the German Part: "IO Card" died, before it
reached the status of "realism"
By the way, this factory then developped their own Computers with a
remarkable produktion and did not go on with the Lisa hardware; they sold
the whole Lisa equipment with hard- and software, the schematics, the desks
the chairs, the whole rooms...
I also bought some software for Lisa then, here's what I got:
http://www.deschler-web.de/Bilder/Diskette.JPG

These are two disks (1/2 and 2/2) with an OS on it - still working :-)))

greetings TOM from Bavaria

> Von: "Peterson, Wade D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Antworten an: "LisaList" 
> Datum: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 10:01:48 -0600
> An: "LisaList" 
> Betreff: Lisa disks
> 
> Does anyone have a set of the Lisa operating system software and Office
> software (it's all downloadable from http://www.macmothership.com/)
> already on Lisa formatted disks?
> 
> I'd love to get a set as I don't have access to a Mac.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
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Re: Hard drive reformatting and setup

[Ray Arachelian]

Yes.  1.44M "SuperDrives" can do this.  I've created 400K Lisa disks on a
Mac 7100 (Mac OS 7.5) using Apple Disk Copy 4.2 and DART, as well as on a
20th Anniversary Mac (Mac OS 9.1), and on a IIsi (Mac OS 7.5).

My Lisa was able to use them without any problems.

Note that you cannot use *NEW* versions of Apple Disk Copy as they will 
not write the tag data to the disk, so if you try, those floppies will not 
work on a Lisa.  Nor can you use the new versions of Apple Disk Copy to 
convert from DART to Disk Copy 4.2 image formats - again, the tag 
information gets stripped off.

Normal PC floppy drives will never work as they only write MFM format, 
whereas the 400K format requires GCR.  Apple 400K, 800k, and 1.44M 
Superdrive floppy drives are able to create proper 400K disks for use on a 
Lisa.


I vaguely recall there may have been some "strange" Mac's that had a 1.44M 
MFM only floppy, but not sure if they were clone PPC's or what - only that 
they had no soft eject - they used PC floppy drives with a push button for 
eject.  These did not of course work, but I don't recall ever using any of 
those.


On Tue, 21 Dec 2004, Marcin Wichary wrote:

> > This can be done with Macs, with a build-in 800k Floppy-Drive or a so 
> > called
> > 1,44 MB Super-Drive if you use DiskCopy and are able to run with OS 6 
> > up to
> > OS 7.5.3
> 
> Are you sure that SuperDrives can correctly write to 400K disks? I read 
> reports to the contrary...

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Lisa disks

[Peterson, Wade D.]

Does anyone have a set of the Lisa operating system software and Office
software (it's all downloadable from http://www.macmothership.com/)
already on Lisa formatted disks?

I'd love to get a set as I don't have access to a Mac.

Thanks


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Re: Hard drive reformatting and setup

[macmoni >Scherer]

If you use OS 6 it works !

TOM


am 21.12.2004 14:18 Uhr schrieb Marcin Wichary unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

>> This can be done with Macs, with a build-in 800k Floppy-Drive or a so
>> called
>> 1,44 MB Super-Drive if you use DiskCopy and are able to run with OS 6
>> up to
>> OS 7.5.3
> 
> Are you sure that SuperDrives can correctly write to 400K disks? I read
> reports to the contrary...
> 
> 
> Marcin Wichary
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> w:\> www.usability.pl >> Usability.pl
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Re: Hard drive reformatting and setup

[Marcin Wichary]

This can be done with Macs, with a build-in 800k Floppy-Drive or a so 
called
1,44 MB Super-Drive if you use DiskCopy and are able to run with OS 6 
up to
OS 7.5.3
Are you sure that SuperDrives can correctly write to 400K disks? I read 
reports to the contrary...

 Marcin Wichary
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w:\> www.10yearsofbeingboring.com >> 10 years of Being Boring
w:\> www.usability.pl >> Usability.pl
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Re: Widget Startup Error 81

[James MacPhail]

Hi Guido,

Error 81 is not specific to the brake, other things can cause it.

Does the drive ever spin-up?

If not: after the brake is released, try to flip the flywheel with the
eraser end of a pencil... sometimes this is enough to make it run. I think
you spin the front edge from right to left (counter-clockwise when viewed
from the bottom).

If the spindle won't spin-up without the flip, try adjusting the brake; but
I expect the motor (or the motor driver board) has a problem. I don't know
of a fix for this or what the problem is; let us know if you find out!

Good luck!

James

>brake of the Widget in one on my Lisa makes a distinct clunk. With the
>Widget turned on the bottom I can see that the electric brake is relased
>and that the motor step try to spin moving in both the senses for 2 or 3
>seconds.
>After that Lisa show an Error 81.
>My infos report a problem with the electric brake that, normally, need a
>re-adjust at 0,20 dec.
>But the brake is not freezed.
>The question: do you think this error (81) may be associated to a different
>problem or it's only associated to the solenoid re-adjustment  and I can
>try to do it even the brake is not freezed ?

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Widget Startup Error 81

[Guido Deiana]

Hello Thomas and List,
I need some help from your experience with the Widget hard drives.
On startup, immediately after completion of the module tests, the electric 
brake of the Widget in one on my Lisa makes a distinct clunk. With the 
Widget turned on the bottom I can see that the electric brake is relased 
and that the motor step try to spin moving in both the senses for 2 or 3 
seconds.
After that Lisa show an Error 81.
My infos report a problem with the electric brake that, normally, need a 
re-adjust at 0,20 dec.
But the brake is not freezed.
The question: do you think this error (81) may be associated to a different 
problem or it's only associated to the solenoid re-adjustment  and I can 
try to do it even the brake is not freezed ?
Thanks in advance.

Guido Deiana
Padova, Italy
At 11.49 21/12/2004 +0100, you wrote:
Hi,
you can format your drive.
Just take a short look at some articels in the LisaList approx 4 weeks ago,
concerning the identical problem with formatting a Lisa widget drive.
BUT as a lot of vintage winchester disk drives become weak as times goes by,
you cannot be shure, that this formatting will solve the problem generally.
>
> I don't have a Macintosh, but do have access to a program called Mac-in-DOS
> that I think I could use to format floppies and get the software copied 
over
> to them.
You will not have a chance to do the copying by that way. It's very likely,
that your IBM Computer does not support the format, cause it's built in
floppy drive cannot format the floppies with the appropriate sector- and
track density AND I think the software you intend to use could be a little
too errorful for this job :-)

It's recommanded to buy an old MacIntosh SE or Plus (which cost less than
you might think) and then copy the disk-images you downloaded from the web
with DiskCopy to some low density 3,5" Disks.
This can be done with Macs, with a build-in 800k Floppy-Drive or a so called
1,44 MB Super-Drive if you use DiskCopy and are able to run with OS 6 up to
OS 7.5.3
Do not buy a "new" Mac for this job - although you can do so, cause it's
better to use a Mac than everything else on this planet :-)
... cause the newer Macs don't support low-level formatting and this is
exactly, what the Lisa Disks are. There is neither a chance to simply copy
the software on a DD formatted DOS, neither a DD formatet HFS Mac Floppy
Disk. Lisa uses "a special formatting" to describe it simply now.
greetings TOM from Bavaria, the country of the snowy alps and the marvellous
castles of Koenig Ludwig - and of course the original Octoberfest
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Re: Hard drive reformatting and setup

[macmoni >Scherer]

Hi,

you can format your drive.
Just take a short look at some articels in the LisaList approx 4 weeks ago,
concerning the identical problem with formatting a Lisa widget drive.
BUT as a lot of vintage winchester disk drives become weak as times goes by,
you cannot be shure, that this formatting will solve the problem generally.
> 
> I don't have a Macintosh, but do have access to a program called Mac-in-DOS
> that I think I could use to format floppies and get the software copied over
> to them.
You will not have a chance to do the copying by that way. It's very likely,
that your IBM Computer does not support the format, cause it's built in
floppy drive cannot format the floppies with the appropriate sector- and
track density AND I think the software you intend to use could be a little
too errorful for this job :-)

It's recommanded to buy an old MacIntosh SE or Plus (which cost less than
you might think) and then copy the disk-images you downloaded from the web
with DiskCopy to some low density 3,5" Disks.
This can be done with Macs, with a build-in 800k Floppy-Drive or a so called
1,44 MB Super-Drive if you use DiskCopy and are able to run with OS 6 up to
OS 7.5.3
Do not buy a "new" Mac for this job - although you can do so, cause it's
better to use a Mac than everything else on this planet :-)
... cause the newer Macs don't support low-level formatting and this is
exactly, what the Lisa Disks are. There is neither a chance to simply copy
the software on a DD formatted DOS, neither a DD formatet HFS Mac Floppy
Disk. Lisa uses "a special formatting" to describe it simply now.

greetings TOM from Bavaria, the country of the snowy alps and the marvellous
castles of Koenig Ludwig - and of course the original Octoberfest


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