Re: Alice
Shirl wrote: Apple's first Lisa game was most likely the MAZE program written by Steve Capps, the author of the ALICE game. I recall reading a ST. MAC maqgazine article about MAZE which talked about its origins on the Lisa. I believe ALICE came after MAZE. If you Google for information about Andy Hertzfeld's program Switcher for the Mac 512K, you'll find various anecdotes about its creation. One of them involves a letter from Bill Gates to Andy, saying how delighted he was with the demo version of Switcher, and how he had wasted far too much time playing Amazing (Steve Capps' maze game, that Andy used to demo Switcher). You should try to contact Steve Capps directly and see if he has the Lisa version. If he does, you may not be able to run it since it most likely was written for the LISA MONITOR environment which is super rare. This environment was Apple's internal development environment for the Lisa predating the LISA WORKSHOP environment. The other Lisa environment from Apple was the LISA OPERATING SYSTEM which was used by the LISA OFFICE SYSTEM. That doesn't surprise me too much. I've looked at Alice for the Mac with ResEdit, and it does all sorts of naughty things, like writing the title screen directly to video memory, and not using the Mac's system of resources. -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: ROM versions
To what I read, the ROM version is in two part: CPU ROM/IO ROM So, D/A8 seams to be for an upgraded Lisa 1 to Lisa 2 (that what mine is, according to it's last owner). H/A8 stand for a Lisa 2/5. One thing about my Lisa: the guy who sell it to me -about 250$- said that they trashed, 2 years ago, 10 Lisa, at least two of them was Lisa 1, the rest was upgraded Lisa. They also trashed all the parts that was before the upgrade, CPU, card, Twiggy drives, Profile, printer Argh... Jerome Le 23 nov. 05, à 01:36, Scott Lewis a écrit : Hi all, Rev. D is a Twiggy ROM. My Lisa 1 comes up with D/40 during bootup. Scott On Nov 20, 2005, at 6:06 AM, James MacPhail wrote: This second board as a different ROM version (H/A8) athough the first one is D/A8. The H is the CPU board ROM version. The A8 is the I/O board ROM version. I believe Rev. D is the first version released to support the single 3.5 floppy drive configuration (ie. the Lisa 2). Earlier revisions were for the dual 5 twiggy drive configuration (ie. the Lisa 1). Rev. H is the last version that will run the Lisa Office System. After that, there is a 3A version (which is part of the Macintosh XL screen modification kit). This changes the screen resolution to provide square pixels so that Macintosh software looks more like a Macintosh. With the 3A ROM version installed you cannot run the Lisa Office System. The various MacWorks Plus and MacWorks Plus II versions work with both 3A and H ROM versions (and possibly D-G too). MacWorks XL 3.0 comes in two varieties -- you have to use the one that corresponds to the square pixel rev. 3A ROM if that is installed. Is there any real differences ? Which one is better ? When started with the H/A8 board, the Lisa will only ask to boot on drive 2, although it let choose Drive 1 (which does'nt exist ?) and Drive 2. The ghost of Floppy 1 in the Startup From menu is, I think the only obvious difference. I don't recall off-hand what other bug fixes there are. I would suggest using Rev H or 3A. Maybe someone else has a list of the ROM differences handy? James James MacPhail Think not of engineering as art, [EMAIL PROTECTED] but of art as engineering Sigma Seven Systems Ltd. [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://SigmaSevenSystems.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com --- Wanadoo vous informe que cet e-mail a ete controle par l'anti-virus mail.Aucun virus connu a ce jour par nos services n'a ete detecte. -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: Alice
Hi Anthony, Your comments about the Amazing and Alice games are interesting reading. Andy Hertzfeld's Macintosh Folklore web site (www.folklore.org) has the Amazing story you mention. I have the source listing to Amazing which I got from Steve Capps many years ago. This was written mostly in Lisa Pascal with a bit of 68000 assembly language using the Lisa Monitor development environment. As you said about Alice's programming, Amazing too contains hardware dependent features. I recall Amazing was written for the original Macintosh's small black-and-white screen and updated the screen's memory buffer directly instead of using the LisaGraf (opps, I mean QuickDraw) graphics library. Q: Can you send me a copy of the Alice disk you have in disk copy format? I don't have a copy of this game and would like one if possible. I can send you the Amazing program and source listing. - David Craig -- From: Anthony Moss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: LisaList lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com Subject: Re: Alice Date: Wed, Nov 23, 2005, 6:59 AM Shirl wrote: Apple's first Lisa game was most likely the MAZE program written by Steve Capps, the author of the ALICE game. I recall reading a ST. MAC maqgazine article about MAZE which talked about its origins on the Lisa. I believe ALICE came after MAZE. If you Google for information about Andy Hertzfeld's program Switcher for the Mac 512K, you'll find various anecdotes about its creation. One of them involves a letter from Bill Gates to Andy, saying how delighted he was with the demo version of Switcher, and how he had wasted far too much time playing Amazing (Steve Capps' maze game, that Andy used to demo Switcher). You should try to contact Steve Capps directly and see if he has the Lisa version. If he does, you may not be able to run it since it most likely was written for the LISA MONITOR environment which is super rare. This environment was Apple's internal development environment for the Lisa predating the LISA WORKSHOP environment. The other Lisa environment from Apple was the LISA OPERATING SYSTEM which was used by the LISA OFFICE SYSTEM. That doesn't surprise me too much. I've looked at Alice for the Mac with ResEdit, and it does all sorts of naughty things, like writing the title screen directly to video memory, and not using the Mac's system of resources. -- LisaList is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Shop buy.com and save. http://lowendmac.com/ad/buy.com.html Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html LisaList info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/lisa.html -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:lisalist@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/lisalist%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
