Re: Lisa won't stay off (was Lisa 2: Bad Disk Drive)

2005-11-20 Thread Jerome Vernet

Le 12 nov. 05, à 00:33, James MacPhail a écrit :



This was an aside to another problem, so it looks like it didn't get 
any

attention:


when I switch the Lisa off, it goes off then on immediately.


I have seen a couple of causes for this problem, ones that come to 
mind are:


1) Damaged (broken) traces on the I/O Board due to corrosion from 
leaking

batteries.

After removing battery, and cleaning as much as I can the board, it's 
OK !


I also clean all socket.


Great !

More over, I test second second board (Cage, CPU, IO, 2 RAM Card and 
one // card) and it's working also :happy:.


This second board as a different ROM version (H/A8) athough the first 
one is D/A8. Is there any real differences ? Which one is better ?


When started with the H/A8 board, the Lisa will only ask to boot on 
drive 2, although it let choose Drive 1 (which does'nt exist ?) and 
Drive 2.


Both Profile start on MacOs.

*but* despite all my effort, the diske drive remain not functionnal. It 
make some noise at startup, like if head are blocked... I will try 
again to dismantle it and grease everywhere again... May be somebody 
have a spare diske drive ? Or Macintosh drive may work ?



Lisa is my best piece of old computers, far away from my other Apple 
pieces likes Apple II, macintosh 128 What a beautiful thing !



Jerome 



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Lisa won't stay off (was Lisa 2: Bad Disk Drive)

2005-11-11 Thread James MacPhail

This was an aside to another problem, so it looks like it didn't get any
attention:

when I switch the Lisa off, it goes off then on immediately.

I have seen a couple of causes for this problem, ones that come to mind are:

1) Damaged (broken) traces on the I/O Board due to corrosion from leaking
batteries.

If your I/O Board once had batteries on it, check the continuity of the
traces in that area carefully.

If it still has batteries on it, you should probably remove them and clean
the circuit board in that area before battery leakage causes (more) damage.

The battery is not required for startup or operation of the Lisa; it is
only to keep the clock running and preserve some preference settings in
RAM. Unlike a modern computer whose clock can run from the battery for
years with no external power, the Lisa battery only lasts for a few hours
when external power is interrupted.

2) Bad COPS, or perhaps poor contact with its socket.

It may be enough to remove and re-insert the COPS to improve the connection.

If not, replace the COPS with one from another I/O board... if it still
doesn't work, then it probably isn't the COPS.

3) A couple of other parts on the I/O board can fail causing this sort of
problem, so if the above don't help, let us know and we can start
trouble-shooting.

Good luck!

James

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Sigma Seven Systems Ltd.
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