[IFWP] Re: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?
George Conrades writes: So my suggestion(s) is/are: No classes. Individuals and organizations can be members and get one vote each. Anyone coming up with the initiation fee and the necessary identification can be a member. Michael Sondow: + Sounds good. Nonsense Michael. Putting organizations on equal standing with individuals is abhorent democratically speaking. The franchise can only be extended to real live, breathing people not paper entities. How can you claim to represent citizens in any way when you are so evidently eager to peddle the vote to silly organizations such as the silly ICIIU (methinks). That way you can have two votes (perchance). Eh? Bob Allisat Free Community Network _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fcn.net _ http://fcn.net/allisat http://robin.fcn.net
[IFWP] RE: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?
Bob, we have several issues re membership, including identification, fees, voting procedures/proxy,nomination/election of at-large directors, and their relationship to the SO membership,if any,but including geographical representation. All I'm saying is maybe we should consider approaches at first from which we can learn. I infer from your remarks and checking out your site that you have all these answers so I would appreciate any constructive comments you have to share. What's your suggestion for the membership model and how will it work? -Original Message- From: Bob Allisat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 10:53 AM To: George Conrades Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN? George writes: Until the PROCESS is better understood so we can open it up with a sense that it will scale. PROCESS, my dear, SCHMOSSES. *We* are the process. I am *part* of the process, intergral to it's evolution. The same is true of everyone and anyone who, within civil limits, chooses to participate. That much you apparently don't understand about the Internet. Which is almost everything, unfortunately. I interpret your statement as follows: "Until we can better control everything to follow the outcome we deteremine wisest and that scales in the correct, hierarchical manner." All actions past and current point to this interpretation. Bob Allisat Free Community Network _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fcn.net _ http://fcn.net/allisat http://robin.fcn.net
[IFWP] Re: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?
George and all, Scale in what way? Could you please define you meaning of "Scale"? In addition, I would add that if you intend to advocate that only a limited number of stakeholders can become members, how do you justify this against the requirements of the White Paper? George Conrades wrote: Until the PROCESS is better understood so we can open it up with a sense that it will scale. -Original Message- From: Bob Allisat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 10:06 AM To: George Conrades Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN? Mr. Conrades writes: ? ... I am inclined to think we should move slowly on opening up ? membership in an unlimited way UNTIL we understand how the membership ? process works against a more understood or qualified database of ? constituents. You are telling me I should be limited until I somehow am unbderstood or qualified ? Who do you think you are anyways George? Under what authority (none) do you dare to tell citizens to back of or get lost? All this gets more and more corrupt and more and more funny. Especially how you all, even the so- called critics, merrily allow this nonsense to continue instead of bringing it all to a sudden and permanent stand-still. Bob Allisat Free Community Network _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fcn.net _ http://fcn.net/allisat http://robin.fcn.net Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
[IFWP] Re: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?
George and all, Again George, how does restricting membership to what you suggest as an example, Domain Name Holders, meet the requirements of the White Paper of "All Interested Parties"? George Conrades wrote: No, to domain name holders as an example. -Original Message- From: Eric Weisberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 10:50 AM To: George Conrades Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'Joop Teernstra'; Diane Cabell; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN? Do these comments indicate a preference for limiting membership to certain categories of people/organizations? George Conrades wrote: rus, I am inclined to think we should move slowly on opening up membership in an unlimited way UNTIL we understand how the membership process works against a more understood or qualified database of constituents. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] i do not qualify for any of the categories of membership suggested, yet i use the internet and believe i have a right to participate in democratic decision making. Regards, -- Jeffrey A. Williams CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng. Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC. E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] Contact Number: 972-447-1894 Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
[IFWP] Re: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?
Steve and all,
We (INEGroup) agree with steve's contention here entirely. George's
suggestion of limiting membership in any fashion is ethically challenged
to say the least, not to mention in strict contrast to the requirements
of the White Paper.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
George:
YOUR APPROACH IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME.
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE to want to disenfranchise me??? restrict to domain
holders? What If i choose to share a DOMAIN name - that means i have value?
All people who use ISPs like LYCOS, GEOCITIES,AOL don't count? Nonsense.
I am one of the stakeholders who is not an ISP nor a wealthy Venture Capital
person nor a large organization.
I use the net have a vested interest in its success - if i want a domain name
- i should have the same right as you -
yes this is an attack on your stated positions
if the presenters on the Senate floor can get emotional - so can I
thanks
steve witkin
RE: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?
Date: 99-02-11 11:56:03 EST
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (George Conrades)
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No, to domain name holders as an example.
-Original Message-
From: Eric Weisberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 1999 10:50 AM
To: George Conrades
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'Joop Teernstra'; Diane Cabell;
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Subject: Re: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?
Do these comments indicate a preference for limiting
membership to certain categories of people/organizations?
George Conrades wrote:
rus, I am inclined to think we should move slowly on opening up membership
in an unlimited way UNTIL we understand how the membership process works
against a more understood or qualified database of constituents.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
i do not qualify for any of the categories of membership suggested, yet i
use the internet and believe i have a right to participate in democratic
decision making.
Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
CEO/DIR. Internet Network Eng/SR. Java/CORBA Development Eng.
Information Network Eng. Group. INEG. INC.
E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Contact Number: 972-447-1894
Address: 5 East Kirkwood Blvd. Grapevine Texas 75208
[IFWP] Re: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?
Daniel Kaplan writes: + So my suggestion(s) is/are: No classes. Individuals and organizations + can be members and get one vote each. Anyone coming up with the + initiation fee and the necessary identification can be a member. I'll just form a thousand dummy companies each with their own membership all paid up. Presto, I own the Internet or a reasonable facsimile thereof. Doesn't work. Will never work. Is undemocratic and basically evil. Bob Allisat Free Community Network _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fcn.net _ http://fcn.net/allisat http://robin.fcn.net
[IFWP] RE: [Membership] The People's Republic of ICANN?
Daniel Kaplan rejoinders: even in the most restrictive scenario (for instance, if membership was limited to IP address / DN holders), you would qualify! I would never join an organization none of my friends and neighbours could participate in. I am not one of the elite nor do I consider my- self in any way special or exceptional. Just one of the one hundred million, Daniel. One. Bob Allisat Free Community Network _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fcn.net _ http://fcn.net/allisat http://robin.fcn.net
