[REBOL] Open source project Re:(9)
Hi Rebols, ... With regard to the specifics of buglists, knowledge-bases, and specs: I'm for it. But help me out because I don't have the time or peoplepower to do everything for everybody. Like I said: I've been focusing on YOU for four years now. I've had no life, just you. Now, you've got to help me focus on REBOL the company. That is truly the most rewarding path to the future, for all of us. A REBOL as always, -Carl Sassenrath Founder CTO REBOL Technologies If I understood correctly, we should build a bug-list ourselves. I would like to help with that. Where should it reside?
[REBOL] Open source project Re:(9)
Hi Carl. This all sounds really sweet (... multitasking, modules, view, graphics, audio, streaming media, dynamic components, and developer tools ... are you serious?!) ...but... I would simply like to know what REBOL plans to give away for free and if there is any pricing plan for individual users rather than companys. Here are some questions I have: 1. will rebol/view be free for community to use or should we expect costs approx. in same league as rebol/command? 2. Is there any pricing model in works for individual users programming for non-profit? As a student, I suppose I could dish out $50 or so bucks for quality software (for non-profit use without encription)...Are there any additional products (other than core) that I can expect to purchase(at my price budget) or download for free in the future? I love rebol and am excited about all the cool stuff that is being worked on. I also understand that REBOL Tech. needs to make money in order to provide me with all this stuff (and I do hope you make lots of money!)... But in the end, it is just not practical for me to invest time/effort ( I probably will anyway since it is so cool and I am so impractical ... a rebel..) in, say, REBOL/View if it will cost $500 or so. Guess I just want to have quality fun for a cheap price... Will that be possible? What does the REBOL future look like for individual, non-profit users? just wondering... Rishi Previously, you ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Let me say something here... We are not secretive. We are short on time. Extremely so. With the number of products we deal with, multiplied by the number of systems they run on, we are stretched to the max. You're not dealing with Microsoft or Sun here. We are a small company. The fact that we've accomplished so much to date is because we strongly believe in what we are doing. Since I began REBOL, I have written thousands of pages of docs, tens of thousands of lines of code, over 100,000 emails, dozens of useful utilities and scripts, hundreds of web pages, hundreds of examples, dozens of press interviews, and a few articles. Other members of the REBOL Team have contributed in similar ways, and some of you in the REBOL community have also contributed. All of you have benefited from these efforts. As a venture backed company that pays its engineers so they can work on their software designs full time rather than just on weekends late nights as a hobbyist, we need to make money. Yes, we believe in our product and we believe in the REBOL community. Could we do more for our community? I'm absolutely sure that we could. However, right now, we've got to focus on REBOL the Company. We have to get our REBOL commercial products finished and into the hands of paying customers. That is the reality of what we are doing. Will these commercial products be of benefit to you, you can bet on it. No, we won't be giving away REBOL/Express. If you want Express, you'll have to buy it, and let me warn you, it's not cheap. REBOL/Express serves a critical need in the world of Internet based business, and we are going to charge for that. However, the building of REBOL/Express will require additional functions and features be developed for our core software. Features like multitasking, modules, view, graphics, audio, streaming media, dynamic components, and developer tools are all essential, and they will be pushed seriously by commercial REBOL applications. As REBOL grows as a company, so too will the features of all its products. With regard to the specifics of buglists, knowledge-bases, and specs: I'm for it. But help me out because I don't have the time or peoplepower to do everything for everybody. Like I said: I've been focusing on YOU for four years now. I've had no life, just you. Now, you've got to help me focus on REBOL the company. That is truly the most rewarding path to the future, for all of us. A REBOL as always, -Carl Sassenrath Founder CTO REBOL Technologies At 10/8/00 08:45 AM -0800, you wrote: Hi Ted: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/7/2000 at 8:31 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do have a sense of deja vu here though and I'm wondering if The marketplace won't accept a product without these facilities, which doesn't serve the investor's interest. Everyone publishes knowledgebases and bug reports, including Sun and Microsoft. There has also always been the opportunity to post these at arms-length from the main Web site, at REBOL.ORG, as is done with the list archives, but that has never been done either. Of course I agree with you Ted. Without qualification. And this agreement is shared with other folks monitoring rebol's progress. I think there would be more usage of rebol if they were more forthcoming. Perhaps someone at rebol may be reading this. I don't want to name names, but I believe that there are differening opinions within the rebol
[REBOL] Open source project Re:(9)
On 11-Oct-00 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me say something here... We are not secretive. We are short on time. Extremely so. With the number of products we deal with, multiplied by the number of systems they run on, we are stretched to the max. You're not dealing with Microsoft or Sun here. We are a small company. The fact that we've accomplished so much to date is because we strongly believe in what we are doing. Since I began REBOL, I have written thousands of pages of docs, tens of thousands of lines of code, over 100,000 emails, dozens of useful utilities and scripts, hundreds of web pages, hundreds of examples, dozens of press interviews, and a few articles. Other members of the REBOL Team have contributed in similar ways, and some of you in the REBOL community have also contributed. All of you have benefited from these efforts. As a venture backed company that pays its engineers so they can work on their software designs full time rather than just on weekends late nights as a hobbyist, we need to make money. Yes, we believe in our product and we believe in the REBOL community. Could we do more for our community? I'm absolutely sure that we could. However, right now, we've got to focus on REBOL the Company. We have to get our REBOL commercial products finished and into the hands of paying customers. That is the reality of what we are doing. Will these commercial products be of benefit to you, you can bet on it. No, we won't be giving away REBOL/Express. If you want Express, you'll have to buy it, and let me warn you, it's not cheap. REBOL/Express serves a critical need in the world of Internet based business, and we are going to charge for that. However, the building of REBOL/Express will require additional functions and features be developed for our core software. Features like multitasking, modules, view, graphics, audio, streaming media , dynamic components, and developer tools are all essential, and they will be pushed seriously by commercial REBOL applications. As REBOL grows as a company, so too will the features of all its products. With regard to the specifics of buglists, knowledge-bases, and specs: I'm for it. But help me out because I don't have the time or peoplepower to do everything for everybody. Like I said: I've been focusing on YOU for four years now. I've had no life, just you. Now, you've got to help me focus on REBOL the company. That is truly the most rewarding path to the future, for all of us. A REBOL as always, -Carl Sassenrath Founder CTO REBOL Technologies I suspect that every subscriber to this list appreciates RT's need to satisfy their investors desire to see a return on their investment, and the probable pressures they exert to see this happen sooner rather than later. It is clear from the posts to this list that people would like to use REBOL in their regular jobs, not as hackers/hobbyists but as people who see a good product which they can demonstrate works but unfortunately cannot show their employers/clients where it is going. I am sure that we all appreciate the efforts you have put in, but if supporting so many products on so many platforms poses a threat to the long term viability of REBOL perhaps releases of the free of charge products should be frozen until REBOL/Express is shipped as a commercial product. You say 'help me out', how! Do you just want us to sit back and keep quiet, act as testers, or become really involved in pushing REBOL forward? I would be happy to help in any way I can as long as it is actively rather than passively. Rebmail seemed to be a good way of creating an awareness of REBOL, your specification was excellent it makes one wonder what could be in REBOL/Express which would not be in Rebmail, but does not seem to be moving forward very quickly, perhaps we are all talk and no do. Regards -- E-Mail: Derek Gardiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11-Oct-00 Time: 10:13:09 --
[REBOL] Open source project Re:(9)
Carl RT: I grok your drift, man. Just ordered two REBOL/Command licenses for my company. Regards, Mike Mastroianni LepCorp, Inc. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: [REBOL] Open source project Re:(8) Let me say something here... We are not secretive. We are short on time. Extremely so. With the number of products we deal with, multiplied by the number of systems they run on, we are stretched to the max. You're not dealing with Microsoft or Sun here. We are a small company. The fact that we've accomplished so much to date is because we strongly believe in what we are doing. Since I began REBOL, I have written thousands of pages of docs, tens of thousands of lines of code, over 100,000 emails, dozens of useful utilities and scripts, hundreds of web pages, hundreds of examples, dozens of press interviews, and a few articles. Other members of the REBOL Team have contributed in similar ways, and some of you in the REBOL community have also contributed. All of you have benefited from these efforts. As a venture backed company that pays its engineers so they can work on their software designs full time rather than just on weekends late nights as a hobbyist, we need to make money. Yes, we believe in our product and we believe in the REBOL community. Could we do more for our community? I'm absolutely sure that we could. However, right now, we've got to focus on REBOL the Company. We have to get our REBOL commercial products finished and into the hands of paying customers. That is the reality of what we are doing. Will these commercial products be of benefit to you, you can bet on it. No, we won't be giving away REBOL/Express. If you want Express, you'll have to buy it, and let me warn you, it's not cheap. REBOL/Express serves a critical need in the world of Internet based business, and we are going to charge for that. However, the building of REBOL/Express will require additional functions and features be developed for our core software. Features like multitasking, modules, view, graphics, audio, streaming media, dynamic components, and developer tools are all essential, and they will be pushed seriously by commercial REBOL applications. As REBOL grows as a company, so too will the features of all its products. With regard to the specifics of buglists, knowledge-bases, and specs: I'm for it. But help me out because I don't have the time or peoplepower to do everything for everybody. Like I said: I've been focusing on YOU for four years now. I've had no life, just you. Now, you've got to help me focus on REBOL the company. That is truly the most rewarding path to the future, for all of us. A REBOL as always, -Carl Sassenrath Founder CTO REBOL Technologies At 10/8/00 08:45 AM -0800, you wrote: Hi Ted: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/7/2000 at 8:31 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do have a sense of deja vu here though and I'm wondering if The marketplace won't accept a product without these facilities, which doesn't serve the investor's interest. Everyone publishes knowledgebases and bug reports, including Sun and Microsoft. There has also always been the opportunity to post these at arms-length from the main Web site, at REBOL.ORG, as is done with the list archives, but that has never been done either. Of course I agree with you Ted. Without qualification. And this agreement is shared with other folks monitoring rebol's progress. I think there would be more usage of rebol if they were more forthcoming. Perhaps someone at rebol may be reading this. I don't want to name names, but I believe that there are differening opinions within the rebol team. Hopefully the best judgement will prevail. Regards Tim
