Re: [WSG] Accessibility statement
Mike;
I think the key things about accessibility statements is to include:
What measures have you added to aid accessibility, and HOW do they help
the users (with appropriate how-to use information), but almost as
important, but often left out, is to write what *isn't* accessible about
your site, and why, and possibly offer some alternative methods of
accessing the information. I'd also say it helps to break up your
statement into sections, rather than a long spiel.
I read a good article about it somewhere, but I'll be darned if I can
find the stupid thing now! It may have been on 456.
:)
Frances Berriman
http://www.fberriman.com
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From: Darren Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:37:06 +1200
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessibility statement
On 6/16/06, Mike Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone have opinions on what's thought good practice for
accessibility statements nowadays?
I came accross the Nature.com's accessibility statement it very good!
Their site is web standard based and has a good focus on
accessibility. I quite like the way they've done it.
http://www.nature.com/common/accessibility_statement.html
Cheers
D
From: White Ash [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:46:43 -0500
Subject: Mystery Gap in IE
Hello!
Can anyone tell me why in FF, this website looks fine, but in IE, there
is a gap above the #footer div on some but not all the pages? I have
compared the code, and I can't see why the gap is occasionally
occurring.
http://rortax.com/futurehomepage.shtml (gap occurs)
http://rortax.com/fees.shtml (no gap)
http://rortax.com/css/styles_02.css (css)
Thanks for your help!
White Ash
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.white-ash.com/ www.White-Ash.com
From: Emily Smit [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:33:08 -0700
Subject: Re: recycling
Sorry, Susan.
--
Emily Smit
Special Projects Coordinator
International Dark-Sky Association
From: David Laakso [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:03:19 -0400
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mystery Gap in IE
White Ash wrote:
Hello!
Can anyone tell me why in FF, this website looks fine, but in IE,
there is a gap above the #footer div on some but not all the pages?
Probably because neither FF nor Opera/9.0b2 are rendering this image on
any page:
#content { background: #fff bottom no-repeat
url(../images/rainbowborder.gif) right; }
while IE recovers the CSS error.
Re-set to:
background: #fff url(rainbowborder.gif) bottom right no-repeat;
and Opera, Moz , FF /may/ be happier.
but in IE, there is a gap above the #footer div on some but not all
the pages? I have compared the code, and I cant see why the gap is
occasionally occurring.
When you correct the above error, you'll get the gap on all pages in all
browsers.
Change--
from:
#footer { margin: 0 auto 0 auto; }
to:
#footer { margin: -20px auto 0 auto; }
The above closed the gap on a *local file.*
I have compared the code, and I cant see why the gap is occasionally
occurring.
http://rortax.com/futurehomepage.shtml (gap occurs)
http://rortax.com/fees.shtml (no gap)
http://rortax.com/css/styles_02.css (css)
Thanks for your help!
Regards,
~dL
PS Validate the markup. You have used the same id more than once on the
same page.
From: White Ash [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:36:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [WSG] Mystery Gap in IE
Thanks David Laakso for responding.
dL said:
Re-set to:
background: #fff url(rainbowborder.gif) bottom right no-repeat;
WA says:
I tried this, and it had no effect whatsoever.
dL said:
. FF /may/ be happier.
WA says:
FF never had the problem. Therefore this:
dL said:
Change--
from:
#footer { margin: 0 auto 0 auto; }
to:
#footer { margin: -20px auto 0 auto; }
The above closed the gap on a *local file.*
WA says:
This was a disaster, as then the problem appeared to be fixed in IE, but
there were new probs in FF. With more mucking around, I figured out
that it was a problem with the #quote div, so now it is working in all
browsers. And the gap on one page only at the very bottom of the page
was happening because there wasn't enough text to push it all the way
down.
Now I've got a new issue:
Again, all's well in FF. In IE, however, if you look at
http://rortax.com/quorum.shtml, the whole paragraph under Quorum
Discount does not show. It flickers on a Refresh and then goes away.
I can click and drag over the hidden text to see it, and click away from
it to see it stay. As soon as I approach the navbar, it disappears
again. It's easy to get some play too wherein I see diamond-shaped
colored bullets that appear and then disappear as soon as I roll over a
navbar item. Any ideas on how to address this flaky rendering issue
would be greatly appreciated.
[WSG] Charset in CSS
I found this in a DW-created Stylesheet (New Basic Page CSS): @charset UTF-8; I never noticed this before. Is this a good idea? Unnecessary? TIA -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Charset in CSS
See http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-css-charset (esp. the section By the way) hth, RI Richard Ishida Internationalization Lead W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) http://www.w3.org/People/Ishida/ http://www.w3.org/International/ http://people.w3.org/rishida/blog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ishida/ -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Livingston Sent: 19 June 2006 19:23 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Charset in CSS I found this in a DW-created Stylesheet (New Basic Page CSS): @charset UTF-8; I never noticed this before. Is this a good idea? Unnecessary? TIA -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Charset in CSS
On 6/19/06 2:45 PM, Richard Ishida [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-css-charset (esp. the section By the way) hth, RI Thanks! -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com Internet Explorer is crap. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Empty spans - semantics and accessibility question
Hello everybody. I want to use empty spans for positioning Eye-candy images on my site. Would this violate semantics and accessibility, if it is the best solution for our visitors and for ourselves? Thanks, John -- John S. Britsios Web Architect Marketing Consultant Webnauts Net (Main Office) Koblenzer Str. 37A D-33613 Bielefeld Webnauts Net (U.S. Office) 5 Ivanhoe Drive Urbana IL 61802 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web address: http://www.webnauts.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Empty spans - semantics and accessibility question
Using empty spans (or a div) to hold background image for design elements is used quite frequently done because the images are ignored (even by readers so you don't need alt text) and doesn't interfere with accessibility Semantics are not broken, you aren't using headings, or definition listsCSS is all about separating design from content, and that's what this does.Susan I want to use empty spans for positioning Eye-candy images on my site. **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Empty spans - semantics and accessibility question
John S. Britsios wrote: I want to use empty spans for positioning Eye-candy images on my site. Would this violate semantics and accessibility, if it is the best solution for our visitors and for ourselves? Yeah, this is probably the best way to do it, as long as there is not an existing element to which the background can be applied. I've seen this trend lately of folks abhorring the img tag and it's a little scary for accessibilities sake. If the image doesn't present content, fine, put it in a CSS background, but I fear lest some designers a putting more in background images than they should be and some content is now being removed from the semantic flow of the page and thus being made inaccessible in the process. Jared ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] A bit off topic - Need a commercial ASP.NET Control Dynamic Menu
Hi everyone, I'm looking for a commercial dynamic _javascript_ menu control for ASP.NET.It needs to; implement accessable markup, not trash CPU with pointless loops, use real hyperlinks (so users can right-click, etc as they'd expect), be packaged and supported professionally. Probably easier to right it myself I know, but a GM at work has asked me to find a commercial product... so that's what I'll do.Any referrals greatly appreciated =8-)ThanksJames **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Empty spans - semantics and accessibility question
Susan R. Grossman wrote: Semantics are not broken, you aren't using headings, or definition lists CSS is all about separating design from content, and that's what this does. On the other hand, you're peppering your markup (which should define content in meaningful ways) with empty placeholders. I'd avoid this as much as possible, opting instead to find cleverer ways to place your visual fluff (e.g. as a non-repeating background to the parent element, with adequate padding in the right places if at all possible). P -- Patrick H. Lauke __ re·dux (adj.): brought back; returned. used postpositively [latin : re-, re- + dux, leader; see duke.] www.splintered.co.uk | www.photographia.co.uk http://redux.deviantart.com __ Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force http://webstandards.org/ __ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Gap at bottom of overflowed div
Ive got a table sitting inside a div with a width and overflow : auto; specified on it. http://www.richardson.co.nz/tmp/overflowgap.png The problem is that its triggering the overflow for both directions, I only want to have it scroll horizontally. Im guessing its putting the vertical scroll in to show the area hidden by the horizontal scroll bar (it appears no matter what the height of the element of inside the scrolling div). This shows up in both Firefox and IE, so its not a browser bug, just a misunderstanding of what Im doing :D Solutions for removing it? -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
[WSG] What happened to real hyperlinks?
In my search for (what I consider) a good ASP.NET menu control, I have discovered more of what I hate most about the AJAX 'explosion'...Fake hyperlinks.I'm interested in people's views on this... I expect, whenever I see the little hand icon (indicating a link, is it not?), to also see a URL in the status bar, and my browsers standard right-click context menu (open in new window, copy link location, etc). It strikes me as absolutely disgracefuly lazy development to ignore that functionality.IMO, if any content which is accessed via a 'click' action is not intended to be permalinked (eg, a tab in a block of dynamic AJAX content), then the element the users performs the 'click' motion on should not be considered a hyperlink, and should not display the hyperlink hand... it's a button. So far I have found over 15 ASP.NET menu controls, 9 of which claim to implement the highest accessability standards, yet all 15 produce fake hyperlinks...Are fake hyperlinks destroying accessability? And how about some definitions of a fake hyperlink.I consider a fake hyperlink _anything_ which does not give the user the EXACT same experience of an old fashiona href="" HERE/a hyperlink. Even dynamically creating A elements and adding them to the DOM delivers this same experience, so what not do it?Is there any advantages to using dynamically altering page location (document.href, etc) ? **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] Gap at bottom of overflowed div
Solved. You have to use a combination of styles, but: overflow : auto; width : 650px; overflow: -moz-scrollbars-horizontal; overflow-x: auto; Works. The overflow : auto; and width sets the default (and shows only the horiz bar in Safari), then setting the Mozilla specific style defaults Mozilla to only show the horizontal, finally the CSS2 rule (which IE obeys and Mozilla doesnt!?) sets only the horizontal scrollbar to appear. S -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Samuel Richardson Sent: Tuesday, 20 June 2006 10:15 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Gap at bottom of overflowed div Ive got a table sitting inside a div with a width and overflow : auto; specified on it. http://www.richardson.co.nz/tmp/overflowgap.png The problem is that its triggering the overflow for both directions, I only want to have it scroll horizontally. Im guessing its putting the vertical scroll in to show the area hidden by the horizontal scroll bar (it appears no matter what the height of the element of inside the scrolling div). This shows up in both Firefox and IE, so its not a browser bug, just a misunderstanding of what Im doing :D Solutions for removing it? -- Samuel Richardson 0405 472 748 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
[WSG] [OT] Max length of title and description
Hello, not sure whether this it OT or not? Trying to figure out the maximum length allowed for the title tag and description meta tag. I've looked at www.w3.org just can't seem to find my way around it. Kind regards, Taco Fleur Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 Web Design and Development Accept online Credit Cardpayments www.commerceengine.com.au SMS Solutions, including developer API Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteendollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollarstwo years! **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] [OT] Max length of title and description
Taco Fleur wrote: Hello, not sure whether this it OT or not? Trying to figure out the maximum length allowed for the title tag and description meta tag. I've looked at www.w3.org http://www.w3.org just can't seem to find my way around it. Kind regards, *Taco Fleur * Maybe more of a SEO issue. If you have a title longer than 120 characters you are diluting the keyword density with the title tag. I would limit to 60-70 characters, 10-12 words. Description tag - not used generally anymore by search bots in SEO besides the description displayed on the search results page. -- Gary ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Form problem solving attempt 1 - how usable is it?
Guys and gals, I'm building an online employment application for a small business and they insist on using this long horrible form to which I need to recreate on the site. Due to the length of the form, I used javascript to swap through the sections, and without javascript there are links to each of the 9 sections and the whole form. Give me your thoughts on this so far and what could make it more usable for both ends. http://wildwood.sitesbyjoe.com/employment.asp Thanks, -- Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] Poll software?
Hi all, The nonprofit that I maintain the website for wants to do an online poll of its 900+ members who will be directed to it via an email request. Our service provider can do a quickie install of Advanced Poll but it seems to kind of a pain to code into our site. Can anyone suggest a free poll application that can be easily integrated into our site? Or is it just as easy (or easier) to create a form and handle it that way? Any help is much appreciated. Thanks very much. Bill **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] [OT] Max length of title and description
Hi Taco, While there is nothing in the HTML spec to limit the length of a title or description, you should keep this in mind: The title should ideally be less than 64 characters in length. That is, many applications will display document titles in window titles, menus, etc where there is only limited room. Whilst there is no limit on the length of a title (as it may be automatically generated from other data), information providers are warned that it may be truncated if long. (http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/TITLE.html) eg. Titles in Google results are truncated to the first 66 characters, and Internet Explorer truncates the text shown in the title bar to 96 characters. I'd recommend allowing for a largish (say 128 characters) title, but warning the user if it goes above 64. On 6/20/06, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, not sure whether this it OT or not? Trying to figure out the maximum length allowed for the title tag and description meta tag. I've looked at www.w3.org just can't seem to find my way around it. -- Lindsay Evans http://lindsayevans.com/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] [OT] Max length of title and description
Title According the the W3C: http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/TITLE.html There is no actual limit on title but it is recommended that it is less than 64 characters. Meta It doesn't seem that the W3C says much about that, but there could be a profile that does? http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.4.4 Kat ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Poll software?
Hello Bill, I dare-say it would be easier to just create a simple form and populate a database.Depends on whether or not you will do the analysis yourselves I guess... do you want nice graphs and reports generated by the poll software, or will you only dump it into an existing database for use in your own reports? JOn 20/06/06, bill scheider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, The nonprofit that I maintain the website for wants to do an online poll of it's 900+ members who will be directed to it via an email request. Our service provider can do a quickie install of Advanced Poll but it seems to kind of a pain to code into our site. Can anyone suggest a free poll application that can be easily integrated into our site? Or is it just as easy (or easier) to create a form and handle it that way? Any help is much appreciated. Thanks very much. Bill **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
Re: [WSG] Form problem solving attempt 1 - how usable is it?
Nice, great solution IMO.Only usability issue which comes to mind is persisting and validating values, but if the fieldsets are just being hidden no values are lost, so that's fine. On 20/06/06, Joseph R. B. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys and gals,I'm building an online employment application for a small business andthey insist on using this long horrible form to which I need to recreateon the site.Due to the length of the form, I used _javascript_ to swap through the sections, and without _javascript_ there are links to each of the 9sections and the whole form.Give me your thoughts on this so far and what could make it more usablefor both ends. http://wildwood.sitesbyjoe.com/employment.aspThanks,--Joseph R. B. TaylorSites by Joe, LLChttp://sitesbyjoe.com(609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED]**The discussion list forhttp://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
