Re: [WSG] Mac favour
Hi John It renders fine in Opera 9.01 on Mac OS X 10.4.8. I agree with Nikita - more contrast would help, particularly since visited links are sorta lilic on lilic. You might want to think about a [Skip navigation] link at the start of the navigation. Otherwise people using screen readers are going to hear Home, Product Range, Trade Fairs, Stockists, Enquiries, Links, Partners at the start of every page. Also, I'm not sure about the 'click here' links. Anyone trying to scan the page by just jumping from link to link is going to see: click here ... click here ... clicking here. And on the Product Range page, http://www.lilaccoast.co.uk/product_range.htm you might want to improve your alt tags. Currently you have click to see our Blossom range, click to see our Grape range, etc. You might want to consider just trying Our Blossom range, Our Grape range, etc. Hope that this is of some help. -- Jonathan O'Donnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://purl.nla.gov.au/net/jod +61 4 2575 5829 On 22/01/2007, at 5:23 AM, Nikita The Spider wrote: On 1/21/07, John 'Max' Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone out there with a MAC take a look at this website and tell me if it renders happily in Opera and/or IE5 etc?? www.lilaccoast.co.uk Hi Max, Looks good here with Safari and Firefox, even with JS turned off. The text on some of the pages is pretty low-contrast, though. The home page is a good example. Darker text, please! I'm protanopic (can distinguish fewer shades of red green than most people) which might have something to do with it. Opera runs on many platforms; I don't know that I'd expect any different rendering on a Mac. Also, Safari's rendering engine (Webkit) is based on KHTML from Konqueror. As time goes by they're probably diverging more and more (maybe they're more like cousins than siblings now), but if you're stuck in Windows, firing up a Linux Live CD (or having a dual boot partition) is a low-commitment way to see how your sites render with KHTML which might also give you a hint as to how it renders with Webkit. -- Philip http://NikitaTheSpider.com/ Whole-site HTML validation, link checking and more *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] CSS Adviser?
Hello All, What's your general feeling about Adobe's CSS ADVISER? http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/communityengine/index.cfm?event=homepageproductId=1 Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] problem with menu positioning
Hi List, I'd be grateful for any advice with the following example page: http://dev.logical.co.uk/wsg/foxhills/menu_example.html First up, I realise that it uses some fixed dimensions at the moment, which I guess should really be made more flexible so that things can increase/decrease in size better, I will be addressing that in due course. However, the two things that I am trying to address at the moment are: Positioning the menus: -- I have positioned these using 'position: relative;' It seems to work OK in FF Opera, but not in IE6 - I haven't tried Safari yet. Menu dimensions and spacing --- I want a 1 pixel gap between each of the links in each menu. I get it OK in FF/Opera, but it's not quite right in IE6 Finally, I need a way of setting the dimensions for the various links so that the overall width fits withing the main area and the curves line up. Any ideas/suggestion would be much appreciated. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Adviser?
Their page advertising CSS Adviser did not validate and had 1030 errors. On Jan 22, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Designer wrote: Hello All, What's your general feeling about Adobe's CSS ADVISER? http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/communityengine/index.cfm? event=homepageproductId=1 Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] website checker
The university of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign has developed a tool call the Functional Accessibility Evaluator (FAE). You can try it out at: http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu It is designed to provide information on functional accessibility design features. If you sign up for a free user account you can check to 2 links deep in your website. Jon On 1/8/07, John 'Max' Maxwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Can someone tell me the best way to check my website for 'accessability'?? I have done a standard HTML and CSS validation so I can be 100% before advertising the fact in my footer etc. But is there a 1 click Y/N tester for accessibility that works in the same way as the W3 site checker for validity?? Thanks, Max aka The Pig Farmer www.thepigfarmer.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] problem with menu positioning
Safari works fine On Jan 22, 2007, at 8:13 AM, Nick Roper wrote: Hi List, I'd be grateful for any advice with the following example page: http://dev.logical.co.uk/wsg/foxhills/menu_example.html First up, I realise that it uses some fixed dimensions at the moment, which I guess should really be made more flexible so that things can increase/decrease in size better, I will be addressing that in due course. However, the two things that I am trying to address at the moment are: Positioning the menus: -- I have positioned these using 'position: relative;' It seems to work OK in FF Opera, but not in IE6 - I haven't tried Safari yet. Menu dimensions and spacing --- I want a 1 pixel gap between each of the links in each menu. I get it OK in FF/Opera, but it's not quite right in IE6 Finally, I need a way of setting the dimensions for the various links so that the overall width fits withing the main area and the curves line up. Any ideas/suggestion would be much appreciated. Cheers, Nick -- Nick Roper partner logical elements *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] website checker
Jon Gunderson wrote: The university of Illinois at Urbana/Champaign has developed a tool call the Functional Accessibility Evaluator (FAE). You can try it out at: http://fae.cita.uiuc.edu Hey, this is really really cute! Are you involved with it, Jon? Got good readings for my latest site, bumped into two failings: 1. No headings preceding navigation uls (debatable intrinsic worth). 2. No navigation areas. That second one is news to me. Anybody have any explanations/opinions on this? Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] CSS Adviser?
On 23/01/2007, at 1:31 AM, Barry Cranmer wrote: Their page advertising CSS Adviser did not validate and had 1030 errors. On Jan 22, 2007, at 7:58 AM, Designer wrote: Hello All, What's your general feeling about Adobe's CSS ADVISER? http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/communityengine/index.cfm? event=homepageproductId=1 Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Not much hope there then LOL Maybe the CSS is worse than the HTML! How much is the stuff, how bad the errors are. Tested an Adobe Go live page yesterday 55 HTML errors horrid layout. The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Re: IE 7 OL problem
I saw a post about numbers being aligned to the bottom of Lis in an OL in IE7. Adding vertical-align:top; to the Lis fixed that, but I am having a problem where every LI is numbered #1. Anyone have this before? Is there a fix? I can¹t post the page... Ok, so it¹s not just IE7. IE6 is not numbering right either... [edit] I found it. Apparently,, for those who might not know, a width on an OL freaks IE out. And this didn¹t get fixed in 7?? Yet another reason -- Tom Livingston | Senior Multimedia Artist | Media Logic | ph: 518.456.3015x231 | fx: 518.456.4279 | mlinc.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site
I have a site which seems to work fine in Firefox and IE6 but heard (I don't have IE7) that the navigation is not displaying correctly. Can someone with IE7 confirm this or not? http://www.snagedu.com/ Thanks, Kevin S Gallagher *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE 7 OL problem
On 22 Jan 2007, at 18:26:33, Tom Livingston wrote: Hi listers, I saw a post about numbers being aligned to the bottom of Lis in an OL in IE7. Adding vertical-align:top; to the Lis fixed that, but I am having a problem where every LI is numbered #1. Anyone have this before? Is there a fix? I can’t post the page... It's a hasLayout-related bug; there's some info on it at http://www.quirksmode.org/bugreports/archives/2005/07/ IE_60_does_not_render_ordered_list_correctly.html The display: list-item; fix in the last comment works on IE 6, so I assume it will also work in IE7. HTH, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Comments Creeping Left
On 22 Jan 2007, at 18:40:06, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/cryptomundo-20-is-up/ #comments The problem is with IE6 the comments are slowy creeping to the left and getting cut-off. A real head-scratcher I think. Does anyone know what might be causing this? It's the same mark-up/same CSS repeated over and over so I'm sort of stymied. Looks like the Magik Creeping Text bug: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/creep.html which is caused by the combination of left padding and a bottom border. There are some fixes mentioned on the above page, but the key thing is to trigger hasLayout on the boxes with the creeping text. Try setting zoom: 1; on them to avoid mucking anything else up (although that won't fix it for IE6, IIRC). HTH, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site
GALLAGHER Kevin S wrote: I have a site which seems to work fine in Firefox and IE6 but heard (I don't have IE7) that the navigation is not displaying correctly. Can someone with IE7 confirm this or not? http://www.snagedu.com/ Thanks, Kevin S Gallagher *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Seems fine in IE7.0 to me Kevin! -- Bob www.gwelanmor-internet.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site
It is not displaying correctly in IE7. The tabs are too low so only half the text is visible. I have sent you a screenshot. Steve _ From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GALLAGHER Kevin S Sent: 22 January 2007 18:59 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site I have a site which seems to work fine in Firefox and IE6 but heard (I don't have IE7) that the navigation is not displaying correctly. Can someone with IE7 confirm this or not? http://www.snagedu.com/ Thanks, Kevin S Gallagher *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site
Thanks, now I need to figure out how to fix it w/o IE7 available. -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:37 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site It is not displaying correctly in IE7. The tabs are too low so only half the text is visible. I have sent you a screenshot. Steve From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GALLAGHER Kevin S Sent: 22 January 2007 18:59 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site I have a site which seems to work fine in Firefox and IE6 but heard (I don't have IE7) that the navigation is not displaying correctly. Can someone with IE7 confirm this or not? http://www.snagedu.com/ Thanks, Kevin S Gallagher *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Comments Creeping Left
Try setting zoom: 1; on them to avoid mucking anything else up Thanks Nick, I appreciate your help. That did the trick :-) Mike - Original Message - Subject: Re: [WSG] Comments Creeping Left On 22 Jan 2007, at 18:40:06, Mike at Green-Beast.com wrote: http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/cryptomundo-20-is-up/ #comments The problem is with IE6 the comments are slowy creeping to the left and getting cut-off. A real head-scratcher I think. Does anyone know what might be causing this? It's the same mark-up/same CSS repeated over and over so I'm sort of stymied. Looks like the Magik Creeping Text bug: http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/creep.html which is caused by the combination of left padding and a bottom border. There are some fixes mentioned on the above page, but the key thing is to trigger hasLayout on the boxes with the creeping text. Try setting zoom: 1; on them to avoid mucking anything else up (although that won't fix it for IE6, IIRC). HTH, Nick. -- Nick Fitzsimons http://www.nickfitz.co.uk/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Mac favour
Heya, just to tell I am taking part a little in porting / testing some stuffs with Fink. (http://fink.sourceforge.net) It is really wonderful. From a web point of view, with Fink you can run Konqueror / Galeon and other tools under native Mac OS X as even Incutio said (http:// css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BrowserTesting) I advise every one / web agency to consider catching a Mac even 'older' with Mac OS X (Panther minimum will be nice) You can run a Mac OS 9.2 if need be Today in France I found a shop specialized in Mac, lend return, expo models, etc... and you can get one in a correct price. I have just bought a G4 768Mg Ram, CD/DVD, 20 Giga, Mac OS X Tiger default installed, a Jaguar DVD Package I am going to install. That's enough for testing. Mac is still expensive but the community seems to be strong. And do not forget : with the last OS - Unix Power :D I don't want to be mad and I am not active since a long time but I took part in 'favours' in the past that created troubles on the list. Take care. If there are too much favours, and enough volunteers, why not creating a WSG testing community ? Regards, Peter Wcube . eQuesto Pierre-Henri LAVIGNE Web developer xhtml - css 33, rue des Jeûneurs - FR 75002 Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: +33(0)1 42 47 83 83 www.wcube.fr / www.equesto.fr On Jan 21, 2007, at 6:58 PM, John 'Max' Maxwell wrote: Hi All, Can anyone out there with a MAC take a look at this website and tell me if it renders happily in Opera and/or IE5 etc?? www.lilaccoast.co.uk In fact – I guess any anomalies in any browser would be good to know about ;-) Many thanks, Max. The Pig Farmer Designs Ltd www.thepigfarmer.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site
Thanks, now I need to figure out how to fix it w/o IE7 available. *** Hi Kevin You can zip over to http://browsercam.com http://browsercam.com/ , signup for a 24 hour demo, and work fast enough to fix it within your demo period. Browesercam became so useful to me, I wound up becoming part of a group account. HTH Bill *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] AIMIA finalists
It's interesting that under the Childrens section, Click Suite has picked up awards for both Moa and Survivor. Both produced by Click Suite (an NZ agency) and Te Papa (the New Zealand museum) This is for the Australian Interactive Media Awards! Is this another case of Australia trying to steal New Zealands best? samuel -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Katrina Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 1:53 PM To: Web Standards Group Subject: [WSG] AIMIA finalists Gday, So is anybody on this list one of the finalists? http://www.aimia.com.au/i-cms?page=2649 I notice a very interesting phenomenon: CSS is widely used, but validation is not considered important, for either CSS or HTML, and I don't think accessibility has been given a high priority either amongst these pages. Does anyone know why? Why have many of them made similar choices? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists
I've just started working for the company responsible for one fo the finalists (the Pioneer site). I've only been here a week, though, so I can't take any kudos for it other than vicarious ones. ;) I have to admit, I've noticed that very thing about the sites that I've been playing with here over the past week. I think part of it is due to the CMS we're using for most of the sites - from what I can tell, it doesn't put out clean code at all, so I guess no one really bothers validating what they build around it because the whole thing isn't going to validate anyway. Still, since they built the CMS in the first place it's a bit sad that they didn't spend more time and effort on making it valid. Maybe I can start having an influence on this sort of thing on upcoming projects, but it's certainly too late for any of the behemoths already in production. *sigh* Cheers, Seona. On 23/01/07, Katrina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gday, So is anybody on this list one of the finalists? http://www.aimia.com.au/i-cms?page=2649 I notice a very interesting phenomenon: CSS is widely used, but validation is not considered important, for either CSS or HTML, and I don't think accessibility has been given a high priority either amongst these pages. Does anyone know why? Why have many of them made similar choices? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists
Yeah I was involved in 2 http://www.business.vic.gov.au - I did the accessibility audits for this site for iFocus http://www.actnow.com.au/ - I created the HTML templates for this site for Massive With regard to accessibility not being an issue, it was a big issue for the Business Vic website and they went through many iterations until they had AA covered off, its been a while and I haven't looked at it recently but it did pass at the time. The ActNow site did pass AA at the time but has since fallen away as sites can do when handed over for independent content editing. I think it's a great sign that there aren't too many table based sites being create now - well done everyone! Cheers Jeffery Lowder Accessibility 1st p: +61 2 9570 9875 | m: 0419 350 760 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.accessibility1st.com.au On 23/01/2007, at 1:53 PM, Katrina wrote: Gday, So is anybody on this list one of the finalists? http://www.aimia.com.au/i-cms?page=2649 I notice a very interesting phenomenon: CSS is widely used, but validation is not considered important, for either CSS or HTML, and I don't think accessibility has been given a high priority either amongst these pages. Does anyone know why? Why have many of them made similar choices? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists
On 23/01/07, Jeffery Lowder - Accessibility 1st [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.business.vic.gov.au - I did the accessibility audits for this site for iFocus I worked on this one for iFocus too. My job was working out how to fix the things that the accessibility testing found. As well as some issues with delivering compliant HTML within the chosen CMS and, eventually, reworking the templates to comply to AA (if I recall correctly, the initial build was CSS-based, but not standards-compliant and certainly not AA). And various other consulting as required ;) Some components from the build were even discussed on this list in 2005. I believe it was something to do with the Quicklinks module in the righthand column. By default, it's an unordered list, but JS converts it into the dropdown box that the client wanted With regard to accessibility not being an issue, it was a big issue for the Business Vic website and they went through many iterations until they had AA covered off, its been a while and I haven't looked at it recently but it did pass at the time. It was a big, long, heavy-duty project and extremely focused on delivering a standards-compliant accessible usable site. Unfortunately, semantics didn't play as large a role in the business requirements as I would have liked, but given the project constraints it came out pretty well, I think. It no longer validates holus-bolus, but it's still close As for the why's and how's of the list, Kat, you need to consider the circumstances: - Sites must be submitted for consideration, so there are always going to be great sites out there that aren't included. - The awards are intended to focus on 'digital content innovation' - 15 points out of 100 are assigned to usability and accessibility (although they do ask that websites conform to Priority 1, which I think is a positive step if not as much as I'd like personally) - 15 further points are assigned to technical expertise which looks like it could cover standards-compliance, but in no way suggests it (details from http://www.aimia.com.au/i-cms?page=912) Rightly or wrongly, the AIMIA awards are not intended to focus on things such as standards-compliance. Given the focus on innovation, some would argue that this is a good thing. Personally, I'm glad that there is at least some consideration given to accessibility and usability And, if you look at the judges list, you'll probably recognise the names of at least some people from our community out there, fighting the good fight! http://www.aimia.com.au/i-cms?page=2567 And I'm spent Lachlan Hardy *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site
Hi Kevin, Can I suggest you visit: http://tredosoft.com/Multiple_IE which will allow you to install multiple versions of IE. I found this advice from: http://enginesofcreation.com/podcast/?p=10#section4 - Engines of Creation Adeline GALLAGHER Kevin S wrote: Message I have a site which seems to work fine in Firefox and IE6 but heard (I don't have IE7) that the navigation is not displaying correctly. Can someone with IE7 confirm this or not? http://www.snagedu.com/ Thanks, Kevin S Gallagher *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
Re: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site
Thanks, now I need to figure out how to fix it w/o IE7 available. If you're on WinXP you could upgrade to IE7 and use Virtual Machine and the MS-supplied test image with IE6 on it (both are free). http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/11/30/ie6-and-ie7-running-on-a-single-machine.aspx IMHO, it's better than the various side-by-side install tricks. cheers, Ben -- --- http://www.200ok.com.au/ --- The future has arrived; it's just not --- evenly distributed. - William Gibson *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists
But Jeffery, Lachan and Seona et al, What about W3C validation especially for business.gov.au 60 HTML errors, meta tags, alt tags? I just completed a brief review of a small sample of AIMIA winners for W3C validation, the few I tested did not validate! The McFarlane awards had better standards and expert judges. AIMIA sites are better than the AGIMO .gov award winners! http://www.hereticpress.com/Editorials/Editorial07.html#aimia Tim On 23/01/2007, at 2:27 PM, Jeffery Lowder - Accessibility 1st wrote: Yeah I was involved in 2 http://www.business.vic.gov.au - I did the accessibility audits for this site for iFocus http://www.actnow.com.au/ - I created the HTML templates for this site for Massive With regard to accessibility not being an issue, it was a big issue for the Business Vic website and they went through many iterations until they had AA covered off, its been a while and I haven't looked at it recently but it did pass at the time. The ActNow site did pass AA at the time but has since fallen away as sites can do when handed over for independent content editing. I think it's a great sign that there aren't too many table based sites being create now - well done everyone! Cheers Jeffery Lowder Accessibility 1st p: +61 2 9570 9875 | m: 0419 350 760 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.accessibility1st.com.au On 23/01/2007, at 1:53 PM, Katrina wrote: Gday, So is anybody on this list one of the finalists? http://www.aimia.com.au/i-cms?page=2649 I notice a very interesting phenomenon: CSS is widely used, but validation is not considered important, for either CSS or HTML, and I don't think accessibility has been given a high priority either amongst these pages. Does anyone know why? Why have many of them made similar choices? Kat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** The Editor Heretic Press http://www.hereticpress.com Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site
Given that IE7 seems to be rolled out in Windows Updates which many people just let do its thing, and that it's hard to uninstall, it makes sense to start using IE7 as the basic IE browser check. Having wrestled with the manual side-by-side set ups for ages, I now find the Multiple IE setup for IE6 and earlier works very well. Cheers Ricky -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Buchanan Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 4:22 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site Thanks, now I need to figure out how to fix it w/o IE7 available. If you're on WinXP you could upgrade to IE7 and use Virtual Machine and the MS-supplied test image with IE6 on it (both are free). http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2006/11/30/ie6-and-ie7-runnin g-on-a-single-machine.aspx IMHO, it's better than the various side-by-side install tricks. cheers, Ben *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
