RE: Re: [WSG] swift - only windows browser with a webkit?
Felix, I would like a copy of the msi. Matthew Vanderhorst www.montgomeryohio.org Felix Miata wrote: On 06/10/10 11:30 (GMT+0200) [EMAIL PROTECTED] apparently typed: I got this idea from the 'Wow, if only everyone did this' conversation. Swift seems to be the only Windows browser with a webkit, making it an idea to test websites for mac-compatibility if you don't have a mac. But any link I found so far to download this new, open source web browser leeds to www.getswift.org which refuses the connection. Does anyone know where to get swift? The page in Google's cache currently leads to a page with the following message: | I'm taking a break from Swift. Right now I haven't got the | time nor cash to finish this project. I want to open it up | again, and release my 0.2 version and keep developing, but | right now (as i'm in the middle of setting up the new server) | don't have the time needed. I get paid jack for this. | I have spent $350 out of my own pocket on this. I have | recieved $130 in ad revenue. Big difference. Please keep | checking in, I will have a release within a week or 2. http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:www.getwebkit.org So, it seems the project may be returning in the future. But given that the site is now completely dead, who knows?! I was able to download from http://getswiftfox.com/ , but not get it installed, and found the help forum of no value in trying. No, that's a completely different browser. That one is based upon Gecko (Firefox). Swift is based upon WebKit, which is the same rendering engine used by Safari. I have the Swift_0.1.msi installer if anyone wants it. It's got a terrible user interface, but it will at least render the pages reasonably well. Compare for yourself: http://lachy.id.au/lib/images/2006/swift-multibg-image-20061010 http://lachy.id.au/lib/images/2006/safari-multibg-image-20061010 -- Lachlan Hunt http://lachy.id.au/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Matthew Vanderhorst *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Site Check Please
I got a server-not-found message... --- Christian Fagan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, Can I please get a complete site check in Safari for the following URL: www.waterisetanks.com http://www.waterisetanks.com Cheers. -- Christian Fagan Fagan Design [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.fagandesign.com.au ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ___ All new Yahoo! Mail The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use. - PC Magazine http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Standards Table Layout
A client who is clinging to the web of yore, is still insisting on tables being used for layout. It is the misconception tables provide greater browser compatibility, the client supports IE 5.X for MAC OS. Does this client also insist that their accountants do all of their work with a 10-key calculator and tape, and prepare and file all tax reports by hand? Wishing to bridge a gap of understanding through education, could someone provide examples of standards based retro-fitted table design? It is hoped seeing clean semantic code and CSS used with low-bandwidth tables, will inspire greater confidence in CSS being used solely for positioning and styling. I guess I don't understand what you are asking for here. -matt www.directsteps.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG CMS] RE: opensource cms
http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ is an excellent CMS comparison site - it lets you define your own criteria, and contrast several cms-es at once. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.magnolia.info/en/magnolia.html http://www.atlassian.com/software/confluence/ may be worth a look as well Susan Martin Business Analyst CSIRO Information Management Technology Fulton Muir Building, ANU, ACTON ACT 2601 Ph 02 62452347 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.csiro.au -Original Message- From: cms@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 1 July 2006 7:59 AM To: cms@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: digest for cms@webstandardsgroup.org From: Christian Peper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:16:54 +0200 Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] CMS Suggestions for Evaluation Martin Heiden wrote: Hi! We are looking for a XML based enterprise CMS written in JAVA. Has anybody an idea, which systems are worth evaluating? Don't know any off the top of my head, but why don't you have a look at opensourcecms.com? They have plenty of installed demo systems to play with. Chris. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:16:56 +1000 Subject: Jacqui Legge/VicRoads is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 26/06/2006 and will not return until 10/07/2006. I am currently away on annual leave. If you have a query about Dot or the content management system, please contact Katy Harding on x 1970 or Grant Chan on x 2665. If you need to speak to me urgently, you can leave a message on my mobile on 0409 770 074 and I will get back to you as soon as I can. Cheers, Jacqui DISCLAIMER The following conditions apply to this communication and any attachments: VicRoads reserves all of its copyright; the information is intended for the addressees only and may be confidential and/or privileged - it must not be passed on by any other recipients; any expressed opinions are those of the sender and not necessarily VicRoads; VicRoads accepts no liability for any consequences arising from the recipient's use of this means of communication and/or the information contained in and/or attached to this communication. If this communication has been received in error, please contact the person who sent this communication and delete all copies. From: Janos Hardi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:29:13 +0200 Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] CMS Suggestions for Evaluation Hi Martin, I recommend you the LifeRay portal: http://www.liferay.com/web/guest/home - they offer enterprise support as well: http://www.liferay.com/web/guest/support/enterprise Janos On 6/29/06, Christian Peper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Heiden wrote: Hi! We are looking for a XML based enterprise CMS written in JAVA. Has anybody an idea, which systems are worth evaluating? Don't know any off the top of my head, but why don't you have a look at opensourcecms.com? They have plenty of installed demo systems to play with. Chris. * The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * From: Martin Heiden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 10:14:37 +0200 Subject: Re: [WSG CMS] CMS Suggestions for Evaluation Hi! Thanks for the hints! liferay and alfresco seem to be very promising :-) Martin. * The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * * The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ * ___ Try the all-new Yahoo! Mail. The New Version is radically easier to use The Wall Street Journal http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html * The CMS discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ *
Re: [WSG] div in li
Was I not told by Mike from green-beast don't blindly rely on automated validator the other day! :) I believe that was in regard to accessibility? Unless I wasn't reading closely enough. The HTML validator has a few bugs, but I think you are safe in this situation. Unless I am mistaken, one of the only things you need to consider in cases like this is that you don't nest a block level element inside an inline element. li's are considered block level, no? I think you're good. matt www.directsteps.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
Any list could have an implied header if you think about it in the way of order. I could order my shopping list! :) 1. Bananas 2. Milk 3. Butter 4. Eggs You could, if your list was in order of importance, or alphabetical order, or in order that you pull them off of the shelves in order to optimize your trip through the store (which only us true geeks would take the time to worry about ;-)). It appears to me, however, that your list is in no particular order whatsoever, meaning you would use an unordered list. If that order has meaning to you, then perhaps an ordered list would be better. In either case, this is not tabular data. Matt Heerema www.directsteps.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Alphabetical Listing Buttons
Richard's alphabet is a simple row array, which is not naturally rendered by any popular graphical user agent as any kind of row list (dl, ul, ol). As a semantic dl, ul or ol, no user with page styles unavailable will see anything remotely resembling the row format that Richard wants, unlike what Bob proposed. A table is as good as (X)HTML provides to semantically provide a row array. Felix, it seems that your entire argument is based on what the user sees without styling applied. HTML IS NOT A PRESENTATIONAL LANGUAGE. It should not matter what the user sees if they do not have styling applied, because if they disable styling they obviously don't care about how things look! Presentation is to be taken care of by stylesheets. I am new to this list, but I would think that these things would be obvious to anyone who claims to understand Web standards. These are very core, principle parts of the standards we are talking about here! HTML for semantic structure, CSS for presentation, DOM scripting for behavior. What a strange argument that is going on here... talking about data types in a language that is not typed... I think we should all just go with Geoff's suggestion for the grocery list and call it a night. Sorry for shouting. Matt Heerema www.directsteps.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] OT - but really need help
why not solve it by adding a surrounding div#nav_footer and the #content_footer , I think it's your only option with ie? IE bites. Cole Kuryakin wrote: Thanks Paul. I'll take a look. I try to stay away from hacks as much as possible, but I'll give it a look. Thanks for the link. Cole -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Bennett Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:41 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] OT - but really need help Hi Cole, I dunno if I can SOLVE it (and I see the problem in IE), but instead of conditional comments couldn't you use Tanta's box-model hack to serve the bottom negative margin to IE? http://www.tantek.com/CSS/Examples/boxmodelhack.html I know it's still a hack, but due to the discrepancies between gecko and IE box models it may be the only way? Paul ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] flash activation border??? is it a XP problem
Actually, this is the best example I've seen to date: http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flash/articles/swfobject.html I have to say that I much prefer this method to using the object embed tags. It's cleaner, it validates and it checks the user's version of the flash player. It also gives you much better control of what the user sees if they don't have the correct version (I'm actually wrapping the flash container div around an enitire interface, so if a user has flash player 8 they'll see the flash site. If not, they'll see the HTML site). On 5/18/06, Jan Brasna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did I say fix? Apologies, I meant workaround / hack. Well, Ceri, I have to say I prefer this way of unobtrusive including of objects with proper fallbacks as nowadays' browsers are pretty much unable to handle it with the right resources. Be it UFO, SWFObject, QTObject etc. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Matt Radel Designer, lover fighter volksbloggin.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] launch of site: Yahoo! Tech
Ted, Site looks great! Nice and graphical. I did notice some quirkyness in the Today's Top Features banner on the homepage. If you roll over the text in one of the panes onto the image (like rolling onto the pic of the dad with his kids after rolling onto Is Microsoft Your Only Option?) and rest you mouse on the image, the animation of the pane expanding loops.This only happens with Flash Player 8.5 (I'm running it in FF 1.5.0.2). It's seems to correctly in Flash Player 8.0.24. It sounds like some funky circumstances and a small chunk of the flash player market, but just thought I'd give ya a heads up. Keep up the great work! On 5/1/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI all Well, I've been a lurker more than usual for the past few months; sending vague questions once in a while. It's finally time to pull the covers off our site. We launched Yahoo! Tech this morning. The immediate talk is about some of the Web 2.0 aspects. But underneath, we've tried really hard to build a solid, semantic base. I want to thank those of you that have sent very helpful advice on trouble shooting some of the bothersome tidbits. Thierry Koblentz in particular has been a godsend. A lot of the lessons I've learned from this are on www.last-child.com and I've written some blog posts to be published soon on various sections of the site and their approach to making them accessible. So, take some time to look at the site: http://tech.yahoo.com . I know there are still some validation errors, especially with the content that's beyond our control. But there are other goodies inside, especially for accessibility and I'd be happy to answer any questions or give advice. It's also May 1 and time to give due respect to the thousands of designers that have also participated in the CSS Reboot this year. I wish I could've joined you but I had this other project to work on. Thanks Ted Drake Front-end Engineer Yahoo! Tech http:tech.yahoo.com (It feels so nice to actually put an address in the signature) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Matt Radel Designer, lover fighter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] launch of site: Yahoo! Tech
Yes! Those are strong. I love the Show Less/More toggle. I usually feel that too much information is given on those product detail pages, and it's nice to be able to hide them. It does look like the more div is containing a table that's a bit too wide, clipping the content on the right column in IE6 FF Win. Refreshing the page in FF corrects the problem for whatever reason. I'm sure you'll be bug squashing for a bit though! Everything looks killer! I'll be hitting this site up for awhile. On 5/1/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Matt That was a bug that popped up in the last two weeks and we just didn't find a cure fast enough. Think of it as an entertaining interlude. We're working on that. My pride and joy is the comparison tables. I'll be posting something soon about them. http://tech.yahoo.com/pf/apple/1992981873,1992902872,1991639096,1991466625,1 991675140 Thanks Ted -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:42 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] launch of site: Yahoo! Tech Ted, Site looks great! Nice and graphical. I did notice some quirkyness in the Today's Top Features banner on the homepage. If you roll over the text in one of the panes onto the image (like rolling onto the pic of the dad with his kids after rolling onto Is Microsoft Your Only Option?) and rest you mouse on the image, the animation of the pane expanding loops.This only happens with Flash Player 8.5 (I'm running it in FF 1.5.0.2). It's seems to correctly in Flash Player 8.0.24. It sounds like some funky circumstances and a small chunk of the flash player market, but just thought I'd give ya a heads up. Keep up the great work! On 5/1/06, Ted Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI all Well, I've been a lurker more than usual for the past few months; sending vague questions once in a while. It's finally time to pull the covers off our site. We launched Yahoo! Tech this morning. The immediate talk is about some of the Web 2.0 aspects. But underneath, we've tried really hard to build a solid, semantic base. I want to thank those of you that have sent very helpful advice on trouble shooting some of the bothersome tidbits. Thierry Koblentz in particular has been a godsend. A lot of the lessons I've learned from this are on www.last-child.com and I've written some blog posts to be published soon on various sections of the site and their approach to making them accessible. So, take some time to look at the site: http://tech.yahoo.com . I know there are still some validation errors, especially with the content that's beyond our control. But there are other goodies inside, especially for accessibility and I'd be happy to answer any questions or give advice. It's also May 1 and time to give due respect to the thousands of designers that have also participated in the CSS Reboot this year. I wish I could've joined you but I had this other project to work on. Thanks Ted Drake Front-end Engineer Yahoo! Tech http:tech.yahoo.com (It feels so nice to actually put an address in the signature) ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Matt Radel Designer, lover fighter ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** -- Matt Radel Designer, lover fighter volksbloggin.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
Re: [WSG] Including CSS with JS
On 30/03/06, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: matt andrews wrote: In which case I'd hide all but the currently-visible element with CSS. Presumably you're using progressive enhancement, so the tab links (to show non-currently-visible elements) will do full page loads if Javascript is not enabled, so you can reveal the appropriate element with CSS on the subsequent page load (and hide the previous one). That's much more work though. Does it worth it? The only advantage I can see is that in JS challenged UAs, only the related sub-menu would be opened vs. the whole enchilada. That, and also that you don't get weird visual effects during load *with* a Javascript-enabled UA. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
