Re: [WSG] Re: usage of fieldset
Steve Green wrote: It actually reads fine with a screen reader The legend just appears to be another paragraph and the user is totally unaware of the inappropriate use of the fieldset elements. It would obviously be better to use header elements So there is a difference for screen readers. Screen readers treat headers differently; they allow the user to navigate the page via headers. but it's actually not that bad. In fact I can't think of any problems it would cause for any user group or user agent. Besides the problem I already stated, there's a loss of semantic value. Search enginges also treat headers differently by giving them more wieght. At least it doesn't add a load of verbiage like some nasty coding methods. I came across a site where they wanted to indent alternate paragraphs by about 100 pixels so they put those paragraphs inside three nested blockquotes. That resulted in JAWS reading blockquote blockquote blockquote blah blah blah blah blockquote end blockquote end blockquote end. Now that is nasty. Just because it's not as bad as some other garbage doesn't make it good; it's still very bad. While I'm sure most people would agree that two broken legs is worse then one broken leg, I don't know of anyone to eager to have even one leg broken. (If you think that analogy is bad, you should hear some of the ones I decided not to use!) *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Re: usage of fieldset
Mihael Zadravec wrote: Hi! What would be your reaction, if you'd see someone using fieldset for something else than containing forms? eg. something like... fieldset legendSome tite here/legend div class=notification pThis is some content./p /div /fieldset cya! Mihael It's incorrect and pointless. Why would anyone want to do such a thing? Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Re: usage of fieldset
Joining Barney, this is semantically wrong and should never be done. If a visible outline or box to indicate a containing div is needed, and further elements and content within it, it can be accomplished easily with css. If you want an example, please let me know. Kind regards, Frank M. Palinkas Microsoft M.V.P. - Windows Help M.C.P., M.C.T., M.C.S.E., M.C.D.B.A., A+ Senior Technical Communicator Web Standards Accessibility Designer website: http://frank.helpware.net email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Member: Society for Technical Communications (S.T.C.) Guild of Accessible Web Designers (G.A.W.D.S.) Web Standards Group (W.S.G.) super group trading ltd. Sandhurst, Gauteng, South Africa website: http://www.supergroup.co.za Work: +27 011 523 4931 Home: +27 011 455 5287 Fax:+27 011 455 3112 Mobile: +27 074 109 1908 -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barney Carroll Sent: Friday, 12 January, 2007 16:59 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: usage of fieldset Mihael Zadravec wrote: Hi! What would be your reaction, if you'd see someone using fieldset for something else than containing forms? eg. something like... fieldset legendSome tite here/legend div class=notification pThis is some content./p /div /fieldset cya! Mihael It's incorrect and pointless. Why would anyone want to do such a thing? Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Re: usage of fieldset
I have seen several sites that have done this, presumably for the visual effect of having a border around each subsection of content; some browsers will give that border round corners. Of course the same effect can be achieved with the correct use of CSS but maybe they just thought this way is easier. Steve -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barney Carroll Sent: 12 January 2007 14:59 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: usage of fieldset Mihael Zadravec wrote: Hi! What would be your reaction, if you'd see someone using fieldset for something else than containing forms? eg. something like... fieldset legendSome tite here/legend div class=notification pThis is some content./p /div /fieldset cya! Mihael It's incorrect and pointless. Why would anyone want to do such a thing? Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Re: usage of fieldset
Hi Steve, Yep, I've seen it also. Pity the visually challenged user with a screen reader trying to figure out what's going on. Frank -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Green Sent: Friday, 12 January, 2007 17:28 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] Re: usage of fieldset I have seen several sites that have done this, presumably for the visual effect of having a border around each subsection of content; some browsers will give that border round corners. Of course the same effect can be achieved with the correct use of CSS but maybe they just thought this way is easier. Steve -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barney Carroll Sent: 12 January 2007 14:59 To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Re: usage of fieldset Mihael Zadravec wrote: Hi! What would be your reaction, if you'd see someone using fieldset for something else than containing forms? eg. something like... fieldset legendSome tite here/legend div class=notification pThis is some content./p /div /fieldset cya! Mihael It's incorrect and pointless. Why would anyone want to do such a thing? Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
