Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Arlen Ness Electric Motorcycle
True that battery box isn't pretty, but a bit of fairing would help looks and aerodynamics. The cardboard doesn't help, either. On the flip side, you didn't build a custom bike -- you fit your components into an existing frame, which (to me) is rather an accomplishment in itself. Making a custom frame around the components is (in some sense) "easier". In a larger sense, though, people seem to really shy away from the "rolling science project" look; they really want to hide the nature of the vehicle. Personally, I like that look, provided it's not gratuitous or non-utilitarian. Maybe it's just my nerdy nature; chrome and unnecessary decoration are superfluous. And don't get me started on those little leather tassels on the handlebars. *shudder* Just seems odd that the only vehicles with those are choppers, and ... little pink bicycles for girls. I rather think this bike is pretty damn cool, despite being an ICE; It has "Road Warrior" written all over it: http://www.bikeweb.com/node/980 damon henry wrote: Actually I think the fake cylinder heads look much nicer than my battery box. I wouldn't mind having something like that on my bike. http://home.comcast.net/~damonhenry/Suzuki09.jpg From: Eric Poulsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: ElectricMotorcycles To: ElectricMotorcycles Subject: Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Arlen Ness Electric Motorcycle Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 09:56:47 -0800 Not at all impressed. Also, this bike, and the CHP electric chopper (http://www.bikernet.com/bikebarn/PageViewer.asp?PageID=583) seem to have a need for a fake motor, or at least cylinder heads. Why is that? The CHP article even calls it an "Electric V-Twin," which is ridiculous, as the V-Twin refers to the piston engine layout. Do they really think people are so stupid that they'll either: A) Think that it's some kind of electric piston, or B) won't consider it a real bike without cylinder heads, despite _knowing_ it's electric? Of course, then there's the gas tank ... Of course, noone ever accused the custom chopper guys of having substance over style. Mike wrote: http://www.bikemenu.com/builder/Arlen_Ness/Arlen_Ness_Electric_Motorcycle001.jpg http://www.bikemenu.com/builder/Arlen_Ness/Arlen_Ness_Electric_Motorcycle002.jpg http://www.bikemenu.com/builder/Arlen_Ness/Arlen_Ness_Electric_Motorcycle003.jpg http://www.bikemenu.com/builder/Arlen_Ness/Arlen_Ness_Electric_Motorcycle004.jpg I'm not terribly impressed with the looks of that. Any one else? It looks to me like they tossed some batteries in the frame then wrapped them with a bread box. Ness usually comes up with better looking stuff than that. _ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2
Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Arlen Ness Electric Motorcycle
Not at all impressed. Also, this bike, and the CHP electric chopper (http://www.bikernet.com/bikebarn/PageViewer.asp?PageID=583) seem to have a need for a fake motor, or at least cylinder heads. Why is that? The CHP article even calls it an "Electric V-Twin," which is ridiculous, as the V-Twin refers to the piston engine layout. Do they really think people are so stupid that they'll either: A) Think that it's some kind of electric piston, or B) won't consider it a real bike without cylinder heads, despite _knowing_ it's electric? Of course, then there's the gas tank ... Of course, noone ever accused the custom chopper guys of having substance over style. Mike wrote: http://www.bikemenu.com/builder/Arlen_Ness/Arlen_Ness_Electric_Motorcycle001.jpg http://www.bikemenu.com/builder/Arlen_Ness/Arlen_Ness_Electric_Motorcycle002.jpg http://www.bikemenu.com/builder/Arlen_Ness/Arlen_Ness_Electric_Motorcycle003.jpg http://www.bikemenu.com/builder/Arlen_Ness/Arlen_Ness_Electric_Motorcycle004.jpg I'm not terribly impressed with the looks of that. Any one else? It looks to me like they tossed some batteries in the frame then wrapped them with a bread box. Ness usually comes up with better looking stuff than that.
Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] eCycle has new CAD images
Concept art not the same thing as a real CAD file. lyle sloan wrote: Don't know if anyone has been on the eCycle website recently, but looks like there are some new CAD images posted of some of their new design concepts. http://www.ecycle.com/powersports/hybrid.htm Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] EV MC Transmissions
What kind of (from what vehicle) transmission is that? Ben wrote: here are some photos of a mc trans that i converted to use with an etek. havent tested it yet
Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Two speed select
I've been searching in vain for a 2 speed transmission for quite a while now. Are these devices available off-the-shelf? lyle sloan wrote: Here is the idea from the other thread. A two speed select using a double sided compensator design. The design is pretty versatile and again simple. The first and second gears are freewheeling. The chain for both of them can go to the wheel or to a motor shaft as per your needs or materials on hand. The selector clutch or pawl moves between gears on a keyed shaft and rotates with the keyed shaft. It has three positions: 1st, neutral, 2nd. It engages by pressing against either gear. The third sprocket has a chain that goes to the wheel or motor shaft (per your needs) and is firmly attached to the keyed shaft. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/slodown27/concepts/2speedclutchusingcompensator.jpg Selection engagement can be a lever like on a VW clutch or 2 hydraulic brake cylinders that engage 2 brake calipers (one going one way then one going the other) like from gokarts. I figure adjust so that the brakes dont grab and, well, brake. Ensure that a disconnect switch activates when switching gears or in neutral so that the motor doesnt over rev. If the motor is off, there shouldnt be much drag when engaging or the sudden grab like with a dogleg. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/slodown27/concepts/selection.jpg __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] some electric motorcycle articles and vids
Yeah, this stinks of BS. "not recharging ever" means: 1) Perpetual Motion / Over Unity : Bunk. 2) Fusion reactor. Not quite Back to the Future 3) Fuel Cell: Most plausible, but would need fuel, probably hydrogen. This wouldn't really be a "battery". As far as the explosion goes ... um ... huh? It'd be difficult to store that much energy in that small of a space with a purely chemical reaction. Mike wrote: http://www.transworldmotocross.com/mx/features/article/0,13190,1124217,00.html "Some of the electric vehicles that we worked on were so incredibly powerful, that they were probably dangerous. One of them had such a powerful battery, you would never have to recharge itŠever. But the battery was so dangerous that if you were in an accident and the battery got hit and the outer containment was breached so that oxygen and water got to the internal chemicals inside, it would explode. It wouldn't have been just a little explosion, either. This one battery could probably take out a city block." Maybe it was the Naquadria reactor. I saw that on Stargate SG-1 the other night. Pictures load for me. You aren't missing anything. -- The Electric Motorcycle Portal http://www.electricmotorcycles.net/ Electric Motorcycle Listserv http://www.electricmotorcycles.net/listserv
[ElectricMotorcycles] EMC emergency cutoff
lyle sloan wrote: Now every EV should have a good cutoff regardless if it is controller or contactor. There is NO excuse for this safety item. I think I saw somewhere that someone installed one of the industrial safety stop buttons inplace of gas cap on a tank. This was an excellent idea. I think this should be incorporated in everybike. It is quick, easy to find, and look at the shiny button. On Wayland's Zombie, I should hope it has a cutoff on his 240V 2500 amp monster; It's required per NEDRA. Contactors can easily be welded "on" at that voltage and amps. At the lowervoltages, though, there is more room for error before arcing. This doesnt mean to overlook possible effects and equipment performance specs, by no means. --- damon henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Best idea I've heard so far for an emergency cutoff (at least for bikes that don't use the clutch) is to take the clutch cable, and connect it to the lever on a good (i.e. Heinneman) DC circuit breaker. In an emergency, just grab the "clutch". Naturally, you have to train yourself to NOT use the clutch when riding ...
Re: [ElectricMotorcycles] Adding sound to your EV - LOL
I think it would be funnier if you had one on an EV that actually went "Vroom Vroom Rrrr" in a human voice when you took off. A while back, a bunch of the neighborhood kids were riding around out in front of my place on their bicycles. I went out there with some of those red plastic cups, a pair of scissors and some masking tape. I set them all up with the plastic spoke-slapper, much to the annoyance of their parents. >=) lyle sloan wrote: I saw this and had to share. Guess what? You dont have to sneak around quietly in your EV anymore. Now you can add that throaty growl of an ICE to your ride. Using the same idea as cards flicking on the spokes, you can amplify that sound through a muffler/ tailpipe shaped megaphone. Advertisement reads as: "Vroom! Vroom! Turn a regular bicycle into a MEAN MACHINE! Tomax Turbospoke™ adds growl to any ride! Ever put cards in the spokes of your bike as a kid? The Turbospoke™ does one better. It uses specially designed replaceable cards that flick in the spokes of the bike. The sound is then channeled through the chrome acoustic chamber to create a GROWL people will notice. Of course, the Turbospoke™ isn't just for fun. It's also a valuable safety accessory. Besides the added noise, a red reflector on the end of the cylinder gives a visual cue to drivers and pedestrians of the presence of your child. Set includes all this: Acoustic exhaust cylinder Reflector cap Clamp Turbospoke™ custom decals 3 replaceable Turbospoke™ cards All necessary assembly hardware. Some light assembly required. Ages 3 and up." http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=231325 __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com
