[OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

[Daniel Brown]

Hi all,

We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment.
Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.

We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole
stack of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the
SharePoint logs bloat to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.

My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening,
network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL
server is lost.

Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup
and if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the
web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).

Thanks,

- Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming
Soon!)
- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au

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RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

[Aaron Saikovski]

Have they got SP1 installed?

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:03 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Hi all,

We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual 
Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.

We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of 
database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat 
to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.

My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network 
connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost.

Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if 
so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application 
and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).

Thanks,

- Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!)

- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au

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RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

[Daniel Brown]

Hi Aaron,

 

No, the server does not have SP1 applied.

 

Cheers,

 

DB

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:01 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Have they got SP1 installed?

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:03 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Hi all,

We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual 
Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.

We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of 
database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat 
to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.

My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network 
connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost.

Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if 
so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application 
and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).

Thanks,

- Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!)

- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au

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RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

[Daniel Brown]

Whoops, I take it you mean MOSS SP1?

 

If so, my previous email is correct, they do not have WSS/MOSS SP1 installed.

 

Cheers,

 

Daniel

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:47 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Hi Aaron,

 

No, the server does not have SP1 applied.

 

Cheers,

 

DB

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:01 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Have they got SP1 installed?

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:03 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Hi all,

We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual 
Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.

We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of 
database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat 
to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.

My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network 
connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost.

Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if 
so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application 
and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).

Thanks,

- Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!)

- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au

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[OzMOSS] Employee Activities site template

[Peter Milliner]

Hello all,

 

Just wondering if anybody else is using Employees Activity
template(Microsoft) as I coming up with the following error message when
selecting sign up link

in list.

 

'No item exists at http://bsp1/units/hr/staffdevelopment/Workflows/Sign
Up for Activity/Sign Up for
Activity.aspx?ID=73&Source=http://bsp1/units/hr/staffdevelopment/default
.aspx.  It may have been deleted or renamed by another user.'

 

If I view activity and select Workflows - I can start the sign up
workflow  from there but just not from link.

 

Assistance is appreciated

 

Regards

Peter Milliner

Intranet\SharePoint administrator

Information Technology and Communications Unit

Bendigo Regional Institute of TAFE




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RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

[Aaron Saikovski]

Yup WSS/MOSS sp1

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 11:32 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Whoops, I take it you mean MOSS SP1?

 

If so, my previous email is correct, they do not have WSS/MOSS SP1 installed.

 

Cheers,

 

Daniel

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:47 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Hi Aaron,

 

No, the server does not have SP1 applied.

 

Cheers,

 

DB

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:01 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Have they got SP1 installed?

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:03 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Hi all,

We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual 
Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.

We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of 
database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat 
to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.

My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network 
connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost.

Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if 
so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application 
and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).

Thanks,

- Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!)

- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au

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RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

[Daniel Brown]

Yup, they do not have WSS/MOSS SP1

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 1:23 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Yup WSS/MOSS sp1

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 11:32 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Whoops, I take it you mean MOSS SP1?

 

If so, my previous email is correct, they do not have WSS/MOSS SP1 installed.

 

Cheers,

 

Daniel

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:47 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Hi Aaron,

 

No, the server does not have SP1 applied.

 

Cheers,

 

DB

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:01 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Have they got SP1 installed?

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Brown
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 10:03 AM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

Hi all,

We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual 
Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.

We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of 
database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat 
to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.

My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network 
connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost.

Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if 
so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application 
and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).

Thanks,

- Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!)

- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au

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RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

[Dave Porter]

I have seen several issues with MOSS when you virtualize SQL.  It is not 
recommended. You can virtualize the WFE's, but I have not seen SQL do well in a 
virtual environment.
What are the specs on the virtual environment?
 
Dave P.


Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-MotionDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:08 +1100From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: listserver@ozMOSS.com

Hi all,
We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual 
Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.
We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of 
database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat 
to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.
My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network 
connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost.
Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if 
so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application 
and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).

Thanks,
- Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!)
- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au
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Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motio

[Jeremy Thake]

Dave is there any way you could elaborate more on "not seen SQL do well"
just out of interest.

Thanks
Jeremy Thake
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Feb 6, 2008 1:55 PM, Dave Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have seen several issues with MOSS when you virtualize SQL.  It is not
> recommended. You can virtualize the WFE's, but I have not seen SQL do well
> in a virtual environment.
> What are the specs on the virtual environment?
>
> Dave P.
>
>
>
>
>  --
> Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion
> Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:08 +1100
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
>
> Hi all,
>
> We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment.
> Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.
>
> We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack
> of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePointlogs 
> bloat to massive size and
> owstimer.exe is peaking out.
>
> My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening,
> network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server
> is lost.
>
> Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and
> if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the
> web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).
>
> Thanks,
>
> -* Adelaide SharePoint User group* - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming
> Soon!)
>
> - My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au
>
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RE: [SPAM] - Re: [OzMOSS] Custom Managed Properties - Found word(s) list error in the Text body

[Peter Vranich]

I was just curious as to whether any data from the underlying field/column was 
being returned in the standard search?

I get results from the underlying column in the standard search but nothing if 
I search by the managed property.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Noble
Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 3:26 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [SPAM] - Re: [OzMOSS] Custom Managed Properties - Found word(s) 
list error in the Text body

I'm generating the query and sending it to the web service, so I'm specifically 
selecting that Managed Property.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Williamson
Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 2:53 PM
To: listserver@ozmoss.com
Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [OzMOSS] Custom Managed Properties - Found word(s) list 
error in the Text body

What type of search are you performing?
It WILL NOT show up in the default fulltext search.

On 2/1/08, Roger Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> [Sorry this is a bit long winded]
>
> I have a custom Managed Property that is mapped to a Crawled Property.
>
> The Crawled Property is a metadata element in an aspx page, and has been
> crawled and discovered by the query engine. I know that the property has
> been found because on the crawled property page it lists some sample
> documents that use the property.
>
> The problem I am having is that the Managed Property is returning blank when
> I perform a search, and when I look at the Managed Property properties it
> has "Number of items found with this property: 0" in the Content using this
> property section.
>
>
>
> Example metadata element: 
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> [For those who are interested in hearing about my last problem. The client
> still wanted the documents to be crawled instantly when a page was created –
> so I'm starting an incremental crawl every time. So far this works fine, but
> has not been tested under load.]
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RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

[Sezai KOMUR]

This isn't the first time I have heard bad things about running SQL Server 
virtualised in general. A few people I have met swear that it should be 
avoided, something about the rate at which SQL Server needs to read and write 
from disk.

Does anyone else have any more opinions/comments on this or any online 
references you can provide discussing the problems with running SQL Server in a 
virtualised environment?

Also, what's Microsoft's official guidance for this ?
Sezai Kömür
Senior Developer  - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist  -  
http://www.moss2007.com.au/

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Porter
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 1:55 PM
To: listserver@ozmoss.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

I have seen several issues with MOSS when you virtualize SQL.  It is not 
recommended. You can virtualize the WFE's, but I have not seen SQL do well in a 
virtual environment.
What are the specs on the virtual environment?

Dave P.




Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:08 +1100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Hi all,
We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual 
Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.
We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of 
database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat 
to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.
My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network 
connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost.
Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if 
so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application 
and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).
Thanks,
- Adelaide SharePoint User group - 
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- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au
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RE: [SPAM] - Re: [OzMOSS] Custom Managed Properties - Found word(s) list error in the Text body

[Sezai KOMUR]

I still haven't resolved this issue either, was hoping someone else would 
figure it out for me first :)

I plan to revisit this again next week, to figure out the cause, and a 
solution, I definitely need to get this problem resolved eventually.

Sezai Kömür
Senior Developer  - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist  -  
http://www.moss2007.com.au/


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Vranich
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 2:07 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [SPAM] - Re: [OzMOSS] Custom Managed Properties - Found word(s) 
list error in the Text body

I was just curious as to whether any data from the underlying field/column was 
being returned in the standard search?

I get results from the underlying column in the standard search but nothing if 
I search by the managed property.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Noble
Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 3:26 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [SPAM] - Re: [OzMOSS] Custom Managed Properties - Found word(s) 
list error in the Text body

I'm generating the query and sending it to the web service, so I'm specifically 
selecting that Managed Property.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bill Williamson
Sent: Friday, 1 February 2008 2:53 PM
To: listserver@ozmoss.com
Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [OzMOSS] Custom Managed Properties - Found word(s) list 
error in the Text body

What type of search are you performing?
It WILL NOT show up in the default fulltext search.

On 2/1/08, Roger Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> [Sorry this is a bit long winded]
>
> I have a custom Managed Property that is mapped to a Crawled Property.
>
> The Crawled Property is a metadata element in an aspx page, and has been
> crawled and discovered by the query engine. I know that the property has
> been found because on the crawled property page it lists some sample
> documents that use the property.
>
> The problem I am having is that the Managed Property is returning blank when
> I perform a search, and when I look at the Managed Property properties it
> has "Number of items found with this property: 0" in the Content using this
> property section.
>
>
>
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RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

[Hodges, Kristen]

We do run our staging environments on VMs with no problems as such... that 
said, performance is something less than spectacular.  For that reason we NEVER 
have production VMs.

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 4:13 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

This isn't the first time I have heard bad things about running SQL Server 
virtualised in general. A few people I have met swear that it should be 
avoided, something about the rate at which SQL Server needs to read and write 
from disk.

 

Does anyone else have any more opinions/comments on this or any online 
references you can provide discussing the problems with running SQL Server in a 
virtualised environment?

 

Also, what's Microsoft's official guidance for this ?

Sezai Kömür
Senior Developer  - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist  -  
http://www.moss2007.com.au/

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Porter
Sent: Wednesday, 6 February 2008 1:55 PM
To: listserver@ozmoss.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

 

I have seen several issues with MOSS when you virtualize SQL.  It is not 
recommended. You can virtualize the WFE's, but I have not seen SQL do well in a 
virtual environment.
What are the specs on the virtual environment?
 
Dave P.






Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:08 +1100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com

Hi all,

We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual 
Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.

We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of 
database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat 
to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.

My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network 
connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost.

Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if 
so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application 
and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).

Thanks,

- Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au 
  (Comming Soon!)

- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au  

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RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motio

[Dave Porter]

Mainly networking issues and high proc and IO's that choke a virtual server.  
You need one heck of a virtual environment for a SQL server. Since MOSS makes 
many more calls than the previous version of SharePoint, SQL utilization goes 
up.
Dave P.


Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:06:46 +0900From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-MotioDave is there any way you could elaborate more on 
"not seen SQL do well" just out of interest.ThanksJeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Feb 6, 2008 1:55 PM, Dave Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have seen several issues with MOSS when you virtualize SQL.  It is not 
recommended. You can virtualize the WFE's, but I have not seen SQL do well in a 
virtual environment.What are the specs on the virtual environment? Dave P.


Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-MotionDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:08 +1100From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Hi all,
We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual 
Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.
We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of 
database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat 
to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.
My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network 
connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost.
Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if 
so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application 
and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).

Thanks,
- Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!)
- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au
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RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion

[Dave Porter]

Joel has some info on his blog...
 
http://blogs.msdn.com/joelo/archive/2007/10/16/vhd.aspx
 
and this one from James...
 
http://blogs.msdn.com/jjameson/archive/2007/06/09/virtual-server-issues.aspx
 
and Microsoft's official supportability statement on Virtual environments...
 
 
http://blogs.msdn.com/sharepoint/archive/2007/01/05/virtual-server-2005-r2-support-for-wss-3-0-and-moss-2007.aspx
 
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:12:34 
+0900Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion






This isn’t the first time I have heard bad things about running SQL Server 
virtualised in general. A few people I have met swear that it should be 
avoided, something about the rate at which SQL Server needs to read and write 
from disk.
 
Does anyone else have any more opinions/comments on this or any online 
references you can provide discussing the problems with running SQL Server in a 
virtualised environment?
 
Also, what’s Microsoft’s official guidance for this ?

Sezai KömürSenior Developer  - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology 
Specialist  -  http://www.moss2007.com.au/
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave PorterSent: 
Wednesday, 6 February 2008 1:55 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & 
V-Motion
 
I have seen several issues with MOSS when you virtualize SQL.  It is not 
recommended. You can virtualize the WFE's, but I have not seen SQL do well in a 
virtual environment.What are the specs on the virtual environment? Dave P.



Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-MotionDate: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:08 +1100From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Hi all,
We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual 
Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.
We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of 
database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat 
to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.
My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network 
connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost.
Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if 
so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application 
and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).
Thanks,
- Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!)
- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au
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Re: [SPAM] RE: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motio

[pculmsee]

(put my CIsco hat on for a sec)..  In terms of IO and bottlenecks I did some work on this a few years back when we contractually had to guarantee a minimim media streaming throughput on a gigabit network. 
Once you go beyond 100mbit (and any virtual server infrastructure likely uses several teamed gigabit adapters), the PCI bus kicks in as an IO constraint. But PCI-X specification took care of that as it at the time did 133MB/s or 1064Mb/sec (gigabit speed - and this was 6 years ago so and is faster now).
So once you move past bus speeds, for us, disk IO constraints kicked in at around 5-600mbit/sec. Of course, there are lots of dependencies here, but we were testing on seriously good hardware (for its time) on large compaq raid arrays. If we streamed data from memory, we acheived 992mbit on a gigabit network. If we read from disk it went down to 600-650mbit.
Even based on figures from 6 years ago, 600mbit is plenty to handle a heavy load SQL server for most sites :-)
Now VM or no VM, if the disk infrastructure is on a SAN, we know that PCI bottlenecks are unlikely to become an issue and fibre channel is 2 or 4 gigabit. You could still hit constraints if enough VM's worked hard enough at he same time, but for the most part, it all comes down to the disk infrastucture you have.
I do know of companies that run production VM's because they have all of the same advantages of using VM's for Dev, but they always put their data on a fast, redundant disk infrastructire. They planned things properly by estimating future peak I/O requirements of their VM's and ensured that the VM hardware was sized for those peak loads.
Thus I don't see a problem with SharePoint/SQL on production VM's when properly sized and planned for. In fact I know IBM engineers who swear by this arrangment for Exchange as well (and Microsoft definitely does not support exchange on VM's)
regards
Paul

On Wed Feb 6 13:26 , Dave Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Mainly networking issues and high proc and IO's that choke a virtual server.  You need one heck of a virtual environment for a SQL server. Since MOSS makes many more calls than the previous version of SharePoint, SQL utilization goes up.
Dave P.







Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:06:46 +0900
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: listserver@ozmoss.com
Subject: Re: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motio

Dave is there any way you could elaborate more on "not seen SQL do well" just out of interest.

Thanks
Jeremy Thake
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Feb 6, 2008 1:55 PM, Dave Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I have seen several issues with MOSS when you virtualize SQL.  It is not recommended. You can virtualize the WFE's, but I have not seen SQL do well in a virtual environment.
What are the specs on the virtual environment?
 
Dave P.







Subject: [OzMOSS] MOSS & V-Motion
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 10:03:08 +1100
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com


Hi all,
We currently have a client who has a virtual SharePoint environment. Virtual Web/Application Server and a virtual SQL Server.
We are seeing, when the web/application server is v-motion, a whole stack of database connectivity errors appear in the event log, the SharePoint logs bloat to massive size and owstimer.exe is peaking out.
My initial investigation has revealed that while v-motion is happening, network connectivity between the web/application server and the SQL server is lost.
Has anyone encountered this before, as this seems like a common setup and if so, is there a work around for this (we have currently set the web/application and SQL server not to v-motion and be static).

Thanks,
- Adelaide SharePoint User group - http://www.aspug.org.au (Comming Soon!)
- My Blog: http://www.danielbrown.id.au
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[OzMOSS] MOSS as a HRIS system

[Jeremy Thake]

I've had a few queries about MOSS as an HRIS system. Just wondered if there
were any bolt on products out there by partners yet that leverage MOSS to
provide functions of an HRIS system? Or any bespoke products that have
strong integration with SharePoint?

Thanks,
Jeremy Thake



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