RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

2008-02-06 Thread Hodges, Kristen
Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force
it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings.
This is MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course.

 

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Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM
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Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Dear All,

I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the
life of me how this works.

If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that
definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the
changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need
to recreate the sites?

Can you refresh my memory.

 

 

Cheers,

Aaron

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RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

2008-02-06 Thread Ishai Sagi
Depends what changes...changes to aspx pages will affect the existing ones.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen
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Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to 
reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings.  This is 
MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Dear All,
I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of 
me how this works.
If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that 
definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be 
reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the 
sites?
Can you refresh my memory.


Cheers,
Aaron
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RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

2008-02-06 Thread Hodgson, John
However I remember with WSS 2.0 you could actually make changes to an existing 
Site Def and certain changes would come through to sites already based on those 
definitions.

Especially items like new fields that are added at the end of a List definition 
or changes to an ASPX page that forms part of the site def, I expect this is 
still the same with MOSS unless someone has experienced otherwise.

John Hodgson
Lead Solution Consultant
HP Consulting  Integration
0411 242 880 mobile | [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to 
reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings.  This is 
MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Dear All,
I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of 
me how this works.
If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that 
definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be 
reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the 
sites?
Can you refresh my memory.


Cheers,
Aaron
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RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

2008-02-06 Thread Clayton James
Site Definition ONET.xml

Changes to the Site Definitions ONET.XML file won’t be reflected in sites that 
have previously been created. Changes will only be reflected only when you 
create new sites.

 

Site Definition .aspx pages modified using notepad or VS.Net

If these pages are modified with notepad or VS.net (not SPD) and existing sites 
haven’t customised these pages using SPD then yes existing sites will take on 
these changes.

 

Site Definition .aspx pages modified using SPD

 If the .aspx pages have been customised using SPD then they are stored in the 
content database so changes to the original files on file system won’t change 
existing sites.

 

Cheers

CJ

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi
Sent: Thursday, 07 February 2008 01:53 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Depends what changes…changes to aspx pages will affect the existing ones. 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Sadly no it won’t pick up the changes automatically… but you can force it to 
reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings.  This is 
MOSS 2007 I’m talking about here of course.

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Dear All,

I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can’t remember for the life of 
me how this works.

If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that 
definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be 
reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the 
sites?

Can you refresh my memory.

 

 

Cheers,

Aaron

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RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

2008-02-06 Thread Aaron Saikovski
Cool..confirms what i thought

 

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Of Hodges, Kristen
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force
it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings.
This is MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course.

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Dear All,

I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the
life of me how this works.

If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that
definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the
changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need
to recreate the sites?

Can you refresh my memory.

 

 

Cheers,

Aaron

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RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

2008-02-06 Thread Aaron Saikovski
Thats what i thought

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Ishai Sagi
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:53 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Depends what changes...changes to aspx pages will affect the existing
ones. 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Hodges, Kristen
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force
it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings.
This is MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course.

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Dear All,

I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the
life of me how this works.

If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that
definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the
changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need
to recreate the sites?

Can you refresh my memory.

 

 

Cheers,

Aaron

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RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

2008-02-06 Thread Sezai KOMUR
ONET.xml is used for PROVISIONING new sites, but if the site definition 
contains .aspx files then these are actually read from the file system every 
time (unless customised)

Changes in ONET.xml are read from the XML file the next time you create a site.

So you are stuck if you want your existing site to make use of changes in 
ONET.xml. You will need to 'magically' export out the content from your 
existing site, then re-create the site (provision a new site) using the updated 
site definition, then 'magically' re-import it in.

'magically' - using a custom built or third party content import/export tool
Sezai Kömür
Senior Developer  - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist  -  
http://www.moss2007.com.au/

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton James
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 1:18 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Site Definition ONET.xml
Changes to the Site Definitions ONET.XML file won't be reflected in sites that 
have previously been created. Changes will only be reflected only when you 
create new sites.

Site Definition .aspx pages modified using notepad or VS.Net
If these pages are modified with notepad or VS.net (not SPD) and existing sites 
haven't customised these pages using SPD then yes existing sites will take on 
these changes.

Site Definition .aspx pages modified using SPD
 If the .aspx pages have been customised using SPD then they are stored in the 
content database so changes to the original files on file system won't change 
existing sites.

Cheers
CJ


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi
Sent: Thursday, 07 February 2008 01:53 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Depends what changes...changes to aspx pages will affect the existing ones.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to 
reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings.  This is 
MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Dear All,
I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of 
me how this works.
If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that 
definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be 
reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the 
sites?
Can you refresh my memory.


Cheers,
Aaron
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RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

2008-02-06 Thread Clayton James
In your scenario proposed Sezai I might be inclined to instead use Features to 
make changes to existing sites and update the site definition with a Feature 
reference for new sites created from the site definition.

 

1/ Create a Feature to add the new functionality to existing sites and deploy.

2/ Add the Feature reference (GUID) to the ONET.XML file so all new sites 
created from the site definition will have the new functionality.

 

This would eliminate on the import/export process.

 

CJ

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR
Sent: Thursday, 07 February 2008 02:29 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

ONET.xml is used for PROVISIONING new sites, but if the site definition 
contains .aspx files then these are actually read from the file system every 
time (unless customised)

 

Changes in ONET.xml are read from the XML file the next time you create a site.

 

So you are stuck if you want your existing site to make use of changes in 
ONET.xml. You will need to 'magically' export out the content from your 
existing site, then re-create the site (provision a new site) using the updated 
site definition, then 'magically' re-import it in.

 

'magically' - using a custom built or third party content import/export tool

Sezai Kömür
Senior Developer  - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist  -  
HYPERLINK http://www.moss2007.com.au/http://www.moss2007.com.au/

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton James
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 1:18 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Site Definition ONET.xml

Changes to the Site Definitions ONET.XML file won't be reflected in sites that 
have previously been created. Changes will only be reflected only when you 
create new sites.

 

Site Definition .aspx pages modified using notepad or VS.Net

If these pages are modified with notepad or VS.net (not SPD) and existing sites 
haven't customised these pages using SPD then yes existing sites will take on 
these changes.

 

Site Definition .aspx pages modified using SPD

 If the .aspx pages have been customised using SPD then they are stored in the 
content database so changes to the original files on file system won't change 
existing sites.

 

Cheers

CJ

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi
Sent: Thursday, 07 February 2008 01:53 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Depends what changes...changes to aspx pages will affect the existing ones. 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to 
reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings.  This is 
MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course.

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

 

Dear All,

I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of 
me how this works.

If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that 
definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be 
reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the 
sites?

Can you refresh my memory.

 

 

Cheers,

Aaron

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RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

2008-02-06 Thread Sezai KOMUR
Reset to site definition resets customised files in the site to the site 
definition, but it doesn't 'pick up' ONET.xml changes, which are only read 
during provisioning. It resets all customised pages.

Eg.

ONET.xml contains my custom feature -

!-- 
MyCustomActions --
Feature 
ID=3B9E163E-BE5F-4df7-8A16-556F2FCD59F5 /

It also contains some Publishing Settings

Property Key=ChromeMasterUrl 
Value=~SiteCollection/_catalogs/masterpage/Mycustommaster.master/
Property Key=WelcomePageUrl 
Value=$Resources:cmscore,List_Pages_UrlName;/default.aspx/


Now if I edit the ONET.xml file, such as commenting out the MyCustomActions 
feature and change the ChromeMasterUrl setting or the WelcomePageUrl setting to 
different values.
Then do an IIS reset, and then access the /_layouts/reghost.aspx page and 
select the Reset all pages in this site to site definition version option.
My site still has my Custom Actions feature enabled and it still has the old 
ChromeMasterUrl and WelcomePageUrl it hasn't 'picked up' ONET.xml changes.


Of course if you need to make these sorts of changes, you can easily 
activate/deactivate features separately as suggested by Clayton, you can also 
manually switch the Welcome Page and the Master Page for the site in site 
settings etc.

ONET.xml is only read when you provision a new site.
Sezai Kömür
Senior Developer  - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist  -  
http://www.moss2007.com.au/

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Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 1:50 PM
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If you haven't customised the site from the Site Definition.  You can reset to 
site definition which should pick up the new changes. Right?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 3:29 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

ONET.xml is used for PROVISIONING new sites, but if the site definition 
contains .aspx files then these are actually read from the file system every 
time (unless customised)

Changes in ONET.xml are read from the XML file the next time you create a site.

So you are stuck if you want your existing site to make use of changes in 
ONET.xml. You will need to 'magically' export out the content from your 
existing site, then re-create the site (provision a new site) using the updated 
site definition, then 'magically' re-import it in.

'magically' - using a custom built or third party content import/export tool
Sezai Kömür
Senior Developer  - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist  -  
http://www.moss2007.com.au/

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton James
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 1:18 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Site Definition ONET.xml
Changes to the Site Definitions ONET.XML file won't be reflected in sites that 
have previously been created. Changes will only be reflected only when you 
create new sites.

Site Definition .aspx pages modified using notepad or VS.Net
If these pages are modified with notepad or VS.net (not SPD) and existing sites 
haven't customised these pages using SPD then yes existing sites will take on 
these changes.

Site Definition .aspx pages modified using SPD
 If the .aspx pages have been customised using SPD then they are stored in the 
content database so changes to the original files on file system won't change 
existing sites.

Cheers
CJ


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi
Sent: Thursday, 07 February 2008 01:53 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Depends what changes...changes to aspx pages will affect the existing ones.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to 
reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings.  This is 
MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski
Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question

Dear All,
I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of 
me how this works.
If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that 
definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be 
reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the 
sites?
Can you refresh my