RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question
Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings. This is MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Dear All, I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of me how this works. If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the sites? Can you refresh my memory. Cheers, Aaron --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question
Depends what changes...changes to aspx pages will affect the existing ones. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings. This is MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Dear All, I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of me how this works. If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the sites? Can you refresh my memory. Cheers, Aaron --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question
However I remember with WSS 2.0 you could actually make changes to an existing Site Def and certain changes would come through to sites already based on those definitions. Especially items like new fields that are added at the end of a List definition or changes to an ASPX page that forms part of the site def, I expect this is still the same with MOSS unless someone has experienced otherwise. John Hodgson Lead Solution Consultant HP Consulting Integration 0411 242 880 mobile | [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.hp.comhttp://www.hp.com/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings. This is MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Dear All, I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of me how this works. If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the sites? Can you refresh my memory. Cheers, Aaron --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question
Site Definition ONET.xml Changes to the Site Definitions ONET.XML file won’t be reflected in sites that have previously been created. Changes will only be reflected only when you create new sites. Site Definition .aspx pages modified using notepad or VS.Net If these pages are modified with notepad or VS.net (not SPD) and existing sites haven’t customised these pages using SPD then yes existing sites will take on these changes. Site Definition .aspx pages modified using SPD If the .aspx pages have been customised using SPD then they are stored in the content database so changes to the original files on file system won’t change existing sites. Cheers CJ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Thursday, 07 February 2008 01:53 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Depends what changes…changes to aspx pages will affect the existing ones. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Sadly no it won’t pick up the changes automatically… but you can force it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings. This is MOSS 2007 I’m talking about here of course. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Dear All, I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can’t remember for the life of me how this works. If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the sites? Can you refresh my memory. Cheers, Aaron --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/2008 08:57 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/2008 08:57 PM --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question
Cool..confirms what i thought From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings. This is MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Dear All, I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of me how this works. If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the sites? Can you refresh my memory. Cheers, Aaron --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question
Thats what i thought From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:53 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Depends what changes...changes to aspx pages will affect the existing ones. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings. This is MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Dear All, I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of me how this works. If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the sites? Can you refresh my memory. Cheers, Aaron --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question
ONET.xml is used for PROVISIONING new sites, but if the site definition contains .aspx files then these are actually read from the file system every time (unless customised) Changes in ONET.xml are read from the XML file the next time you create a site. So you are stuck if you want your existing site to make use of changes in ONET.xml. You will need to 'magically' export out the content from your existing site, then re-create the site (provision a new site) using the updated site definition, then 'magically' re-import it in. 'magically' - using a custom built or third party content import/export tool Sezai Kömür Senior Developer - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist - http://www.moss2007.com.au/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton James Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 1:18 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Site Definition ONET.xml Changes to the Site Definitions ONET.XML file won't be reflected in sites that have previously been created. Changes will only be reflected only when you create new sites. Site Definition .aspx pages modified using notepad or VS.Net If these pages are modified with notepad or VS.net (not SPD) and existing sites haven't customised these pages using SPD then yes existing sites will take on these changes. Site Definition .aspx pages modified using SPD If the .aspx pages have been customised using SPD then they are stored in the content database so changes to the original files on file system won't change existing sites. Cheers CJ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Thursday, 07 February 2008 01:53 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Depends what changes...changes to aspx pages will affect the existing ones. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings. This is MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Dear All, I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of me how this works. If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the sites? Can you refresh my memory. Cheers, Aaron --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/2008 08:57 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/2008 08:57 PM --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question
In your scenario proposed Sezai I might be inclined to instead use Features to make changes to existing sites and update the site definition with a Feature reference for new sites created from the site definition. 1/ Create a Feature to add the new functionality to existing sites and deploy. 2/ Add the Feature reference (GUID) to the ONET.XML file so all new sites created from the site definition will have the new functionality. This would eliminate on the import/export process. CJ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR Sent: Thursday, 07 February 2008 02:29 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question ONET.xml is used for PROVISIONING new sites, but if the site definition contains .aspx files then these are actually read from the file system every time (unless customised) Changes in ONET.xml are read from the XML file the next time you create a site. So you are stuck if you want your existing site to make use of changes in ONET.xml. You will need to 'magically' export out the content from your existing site, then re-create the site (provision a new site) using the updated site definition, then 'magically' re-import it in. 'magically' - using a custom built or third party content import/export tool Sezai Kömür Senior Developer - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist - HYPERLINK http://www.moss2007.com.au/http://www.moss2007.com.au/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton James Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 1:18 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Site Definition ONET.xml Changes to the Site Definitions ONET.XML file won't be reflected in sites that have previously been created. Changes will only be reflected only when you create new sites. Site Definition .aspx pages modified using notepad or VS.Net If these pages are modified with notepad or VS.net (not SPD) and existing sites haven't customised these pages using SPD then yes existing sites will take on these changes. Site Definition .aspx pages modified using SPD If the .aspx pages have been customised using SPD then they are stored in the content database so changes to the original files on file system won't change existing sites. Cheers CJ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Thursday, 07 February 2008 01:53 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Depends what changes...changes to aspx pages will affect the existing ones. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings. This is MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Dear All, I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of me how this works. If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the sites? Can you refresh my memory. Cheers, Aaron --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/2008 08:57 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.20/1261 - Release Date: 05/02/2008 08:57 PM --- OzMOSS.com - to unsubscribe from this list, send a message back to the list with 'unsubscribe' as the subject. Powered by mailenable.com - List managed by www.readify.net
RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question
Reset to site definition resets customised files in the site to the site definition, but it doesn't 'pick up' ONET.xml changes, which are only read during provisioning. It resets all customised pages. Eg. ONET.xml contains my custom feature - !-- MyCustomActions -- Feature ID=3B9E163E-BE5F-4df7-8A16-556F2FCD59F5 / It also contains some Publishing Settings Property Key=ChromeMasterUrl Value=~SiteCollection/_catalogs/masterpage/Mycustommaster.master/ Property Key=WelcomePageUrl Value=$Resources:cmscore,List_Pages_UrlName;/default.aspx/ Now if I edit the ONET.xml file, such as commenting out the MyCustomActions feature and change the ChromeMasterUrl setting or the WelcomePageUrl setting to different values. Then do an IIS reset, and then access the /_layouts/reghost.aspx page and select the Reset all pages in this site to site definition version option. My site still has my Custom Actions feature enabled and it still has the old ChromeMasterUrl and WelcomePageUrl it hasn't 'picked up' ONET.xml changes. Of course if you need to make these sorts of changes, you can easily activate/deactivate features separately as suggested by Clayton, you can also manually switch the Welcome Page and the Master Page for the site in site settings etc. ONET.xml is only read when you provision a new site. Sezai Kömür Senior Developer - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist - http://www.moss2007.com.au/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Vranich Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 1:50 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question If you haven't customised the site from the Site Definition. You can reset to site definition which should pick up the new changes. Right? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sezai KOMUR Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 3:29 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question ONET.xml is used for PROVISIONING new sites, but if the site definition contains .aspx files then these are actually read from the file system every time (unless customised) Changes in ONET.xml are read from the XML file the next time you create a site. So you are stuck if you want your existing site to make use of changes in ONET.xml. You will need to 'magically' export out the content from your existing site, then re-create the site (provision a new site) using the updated site definition, then 'magically' re-import it in. 'magically' - using a custom built or third party content import/export tool Sezai Kömür Senior Developer - BEng, BSc - Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist - http://www.moss2007.com.au/ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton James Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 1:18 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Site Definition ONET.xml Changes to the Site Definitions ONET.XML file won't be reflected in sites that have previously been created. Changes will only be reflected only when you create new sites. Site Definition .aspx pages modified using notepad or VS.Net If these pages are modified with notepad or VS.net (not SPD) and existing sites haven't customised these pages using SPD then yes existing sites will take on these changes. Site Definition .aspx pages modified using SPD If the .aspx pages have been customised using SPD then they are stored in the content database so changes to the original files on file system won't change existing sites. Cheers CJ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi Sent: Thursday, 07 February 2008 01:53 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Depends what changes...changes to aspx pages will affect the existing ones. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hodges, Kristen Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:43 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Sadly no it won't pick up the changes automatically... but you can force it to reset to the Site Definition on a per site basis in site settings. This is MOSS 2007 I'm talking about here of course. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron Saikovski Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2008 2:41 PM To: listserver@ozMOSS.com Subject: [OzMOSS] custom site definition question Dear All, I am having a mental blank at the moment and I can't remember for the life of me how this works. If I create a custom site definition, create a new site based on that definition, make changes to the original site definition. Will the changes be reflected in my sites based on that definition, or do I need to recreate the sites? Can you refresh my
