Re: [Liveaboard] Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative
"Seems you're right in this regard." Oh yeah? I'll have you know I am right in all regards! Ron -Original Message- From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com [mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of Ben Okopnik Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 12:11 AM Seems you're right in this regard; thanks for the info. Perhaps asking some random Customs officer is not the way to go. :) ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
So, now you're calling a Customs officer a horse, eh? Ron -Original Message- From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com [mailto:liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of Ben Okopnik Sent: Monday, July 05, 2010 12:14 AM On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 02:37:31PM -0700, Ron Force wrote: > > Info here: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html > > "But officer, the customs agent I spoke to said...Wait!...Wait!"[cid] [laugh] You have a point. That kind of info is best straight from the horse's mouth. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Going Foreign, was ... radio permit.
Steven Wight wrote: >> And we were very fortunate to have found skilled >> professionals who really had no concept of 'impossible'. >> >> So, the bottom line? No idea. But we learned Americans weren't so >> bad, eh? "Ben Okopnik" wrote: > [applause] Bravo! :) > > That's been my own experience in pretty much every country I've > visited. > It just reinforces the belief that I've had for a long time: most > people > in most places are just normal folks, living their daily lives; on > the > average, people are kind, friendly, and helpful. --- Several years ago got a chance to talk to a guy who had single handed most of the way around. His approach to meeting new people was to ask if there was any "work" he could do for them. Told me it was a great "Ice Breaker". Lew ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
"Ben Okopnik" wrote: > Whew. I was starting to wonder whether reading had gone out of > fashion > and had been replaced by marathon sessions of watching The Three > Stooges > or The Simpsons. Thanks for the reassurance, Philip. :) Here in SoCal, we are in the high cotton. Late night reruns include "Mr. Ed", "Highway Patrol", "Bat Masterson", "Sea Hunt" and even "The Patty Duke Show". Yes sir, everything is up to date in SoCal, we've gone about as far as we can go. Lew ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] SPAM-MED: Re: How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
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Re: [Liveaboard] Going Foreign, was ... radio permit.
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 09:31:17PM -0400, Steven Wight wrote: > > We knew the > country was rife with corruption, violence, mismanagement and greed. > > What we found were individuals overwhelming in their generosity, > understanding in attitude, and thoughtful beyond measure to the needs > of young kids far from home. The dangers we 'knew' from media reports > only existed in media reports, as far as we could tell. We never > locked the boat. We had some mechanical failure that involved > organizing a crane, a tractor trailer, and sourcing parts from the > middle of nowhere. As they say, when the going gets tough, the tough > get going. And we were very fortunate to have found skilled > professionals who really had no concept of 'impossible'. > > So, the bottom line? No idea. But we learned Americans weren't so > bad, eh? [applause] Bravo! :) That's been my own experience in pretty much every country I've visited. It just reinforces the belief that I've had for a long time: most people in most places are just normal folks, living their daily lives; on the average, people are kind, friendly, and helpful. There's only a small power-hungry minority that creates the kind of large-scale living hell that gets recorded in history books... but I guess we can't ever get rid of them. It seemed to be a chronic disease. It was as if even the most intelligent person had this little blank spot in their heads where someone had written: "Kings. What a good idea." Whoever had created humanity had left in a major design flaw. It was its tendency to bend at the knees. -- Terry Pratchett, "Feet of Clay" -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895http://okopnik.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 06:51:31PM -0400, Philip wrote: > I believe Ben was paraphrasing George Orwell's "Animal Farm" > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm > > Years pass, and the pigs learn to walk upright, carry whips, and wear > clothes. The Seven Commandments are reduced to a single phrase: "All > animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." Whew. I was starting to wonder whether reading had gone out of fashion and had been replaced by marathon sessions of watching The Three Stooges or The Simpsons. Thanks for the reassurance, Philip. :) -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895http://okopnik.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 02:37:31PM -0700, Ron Force wrote: > > Info here: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html > > "But officer, the customs agent I spoke to said...Wait!...Wait!"[cid] [laugh] You have a point. That kind of info is best straight from the horse's mouth. -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895http://okopnik.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 05:31:28PM -0400, Ron Rogers wrote: > < > http://www.cbp.gov/linkhandler/cgov/newsroom/fact_sheets/travel/whti_state_f > actsheet.ctt/whti_state_factsheet.pdf > > > < http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html > > > < http://www.getyouhome.gov/html/lang_eng/index.html > Seems you're right in this regard; thanks for the info. Perhaps asking some random Customs officer is not the way to go. :) -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895http://okopnik.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 07:46:05PM -0600, CT wrote: > St Augustine Fl heh Ben? I'll be sure to let some of the local "pigs" know > how you feel. You've made my point for me; thank you. The fact that someone like you can use the system to abuse others says it all, really. As to your threat... I'll tell you what, Charlie S. Thomas, "MCBI" of 1311 Mandarin Lane, Fruitland Park FL 34731: do yourself a big favor and *never* again threaten people that you don't know. Really; it's a very bad idea. > Enjoy your freedoms. The freedoms that I defended while serving in the US Army? I wish that they still existed for me to enjoy. For the most part, they've been bartered away by contemptible fools and cowards who don't understand the meaning of the word. -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895http://okopnik.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 06:13:39PM -0400, ahmet erkan wrote: > > Dear Ben, > If I were the NYC police officer, and stopped you for your broken muffler you > would have probably received a ticket and probably more because of the > infraction augmented by the attitude. Ron on the other hand may just get a > verbal warning. It is a human thing. Let me know if you can't figure it out? Ah, here we go off to fantasy land. Guess what I'd do to you if _I_ was an NY PO stopping you for a broken muffler - and I had *your* attitude? Name like "Ahmet"... *and* in NYC, violating the law... obviously a damn terrorist. Hmm, let's see: should I slam you down on the ground, cuff you, and take you in - maybe breaking a few bones in the process and adding a "resisting arrest" charge to justify it - or should I just shoot you and claim that your muffler sounded like gunshots? ... Better yet, let's avoid the "if I were" fantasies. Most people stop playing at those after kindergarten or so, because that kind of thinly-disguised hostility isn't likely to be well received. In fact, even in kindergarten, it's likely to be met with a real - as opposed to a verbal - punch in the nose. Let me know if you can't figure out the social dynamic here; I'll draw you a diagram. > Better yet ask Ron. Don't ask Norm!... Having said that, Norm probably wouldnt > say anything deragotary to the "police officer" during the event but may refer > to him as a "pig" just like you or give him some other disrespectful title > after the event. Just like me? Wow. You get an 'F' for reading comprehension, and another 'F' for ignorance. Nowhere in that email did I refer to a policeman as a pig - that was a reference to George Orwell's "Animal Farm", in which some pigs were indeed "more equal" than others. Perhaps you should consider asking someone to interpret for you before you go haring off to the keyboard to type out intemperate and misinformed responses? Just a thought. -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895http://okopnik.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] Going Foreign, was ... radio permit.
Very much the experience others have had traveling overseas with the right attitude. Fair winds, CT >>-Original Message- >>From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com [mailto:liveaboard- >>boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of Steven Wight >>Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 7:31 PM >>To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com >>Subject: [Liveaboard] Going Foreign, was ... radio permit. >> >> >>Sailing was a family passion, and we planned and saved for 10 years to get >>a 'year off'. The countries we planned to visit had a confusing mish-mash >>of regulations and restrictions, with contradictory and illogical >>information coming from various agencies, and even from within the same >>agency. We went anyway, knowing full well we were not in compliance. >>After all, no-one could be in compliance. Still not a decision to be >>taken lightly, with 2 kids under 11. We knew the country was rife with >>corruption, violence, mismanagement and greed. >> >>What we found were individuals overwhelming in their generosity, >>understanding in attitude, and thoughtful beyond measure to the needs of >>young kids far from home. The dangers we 'knew' from media reports only >>existed in media reports, as far as we could tell. We never locked the >>boat. We had some mechanical failure that involved organizing a crane, a >>tractor trailer, and sourcing parts from the middle of nowhere. As they >>say, when the going gets tough, the tough get going. And we were very >>fortunate to have found skilled professionals who really had no concept of >>'impossible'. >> >>So, the bottom line? No idea. But we learned Americans weren't so bad, >>eh? >> >>Steve >> >>___ >>Liveaboard mailing list >>Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com >>To adjust your membership settings over the web >>http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard >>To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com >> >>To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com >>The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ >> >>To search the archives http://www.mail- >>archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org >> >>The Mailman Users Guide can be found here >>http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
St Augustine Fl heh Ben? I'll be sure to let some of the local "pigs" know how you feel. Enjoy your freedoms. CT >>-Original Message- >>From: liveaboard-boun...@liveaboardonline.com [mailto:liveaboard- >>boun...@liveaboardonline.com] On Behalf Of Ben Okopnik >>Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 2:21 PM >>To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com >>Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a >>restricted radio permit. >> >>On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 02:16:23PM -0400, Ron Rogers wrote: >>> Perhaps it was on another forum, recently, where a visitor to the EU had >>to >>> take a radio operator exam *which was in English*! I imagine that this >>is >>> for extended stays. Why tempt fate? During the Tiananmen Square riots in >>> China, some of my fellow American tourists wore Canadian label pins, >>etc. I >>> did not respect that behavior. >> >>I'm in two minds about that sort of thing, myself. Is it cowardly >>behavior, or is it just being extra-cautious - say, like getting a radio >>license before cruising? I guess it depends. E.g., it's not something >>that I would do by choice - i.e., I won't be packing any Canadian pins >>if I ever have to visit China :) - but if it was a situation where the >>political climate around me suddenly jelled into "let's kill all >>Americans", I would a) kick myself repeatedly for being so completely >>out of touch that I missed the warning signs; b) look for the shortest >>path out of the country/to safety; and c) be as inconspicuous as >>possible while running for that border. If that meant wearing a Canadian >>jacket, then so be it. Since I'm not Bruce Willis, I wouldn't be able to >>take a gun away from a Bad Guy and shoot him and a hundred of his >>buddies (with a gun that holds six rounds), so I guess I'd have to be >>smart instead of "bad"... >> >>What I _wouldn't_ do is wear that jacket *and* stick around to see the >>festivities. The situation is either bad enough to follow emergency >>escape procedures, or it's not. Anything in between smacks of cowardice >>_and_ stupidity. >> >>> The Chinese people were genuinely friendly >>> towards polite Americans. The detectives wearing leather jackets in >>hotel >>> lobbies - not so much. >> >>You should have asked them if they wanted to be horse food. :) It seems >>that foreign students in China - if I recall the story as it was told to >>me, the student in question was from the UK - used to be taught the >>phrase "do you want to be in trouble?", and were told to use it if >>someone was bothering them. This particular girl's accent in Chinese was >>absolutely awful - and so was the response of the people to whom she >>said it (confusion and shock, but it seemed to get the right result.) >>Turns out that pronouncing those words with the wrong tone carries a >>rather different meaning... >> >>> Times change and particularly in the new era of terrorism. Passports are >>now >>> required almost everywhere (maybe not Bermuda) and even to get back into >>the >>> States. >> >>I spoke with a US Customs agent in Hampton Roads, VA about two months >>ago and asked him about the details of returning to the States after >>visiting foreign waters. According to him - and his partner, who was >>standing right there, did not contradict him - you do not need a >>passport, and a US DL is perfectly fine. >> >>> Things change from one Customs officer to another to include here in >>> the States. In Mexico, they might try to nail you on a fishing license >>or a >>> radio license or how your hair is parted. It helps to at least appear to >>be >>> poor. >> >>Or at least to be a "working Joe" rather than a "millionaire on >>vacation". Provoking resentment pointlessly is a really good way to >>_become_ horse food. >> >>> As one NYC police officer said to me (as my broken car muffler deafened >>him) >>> "You're lucky that my wife was nice to me last night." >> >>Ah... what a lovely illustration of the "freedom" that we are entitled >>to in this country. Some pigs are indeed more equal than others. >> >> >>Ben >>-- >> OKOPNIK CONSULTING >>Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business >>Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming >> 443-250-7895http://okopnik.com >>___ >>Liveaboard mailing list >>Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com >>To adjust your membership settings over the web >>http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard >>To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com >> >>To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com >>The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ >> >>To search the archives http://www.mail- >>archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org >> >>The Mailman Users Guide can be found here >>http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard
[Liveaboard] Going Foreign, was ... radio permit.
Sailing was a family passion, and we planned and saved for 10 years to get a 'year off'. The countries we planned to visit had a confusing mish-mash of regulations and restrictions, with contradictory and illogical information coming from various agencies, and even from within the same agency. We went anyway, knowing full well we were not in compliance. After all, no-one could be in compliance. Still not a decision to be taken lightly, with 2 kids under 11. We knew the country was rife with corruption, violence, mismanagement and greed. What we found were individuals overwhelming in their generosity, understanding in attitude, and thoughtful beyond measure to the needs of young kids far from home. The dangers we 'knew' from media reports only existed in media reports, as far as we could tell. We never locked the boat. We had some mechanical failure that involved organizing a crane, a tractor trailer, and sourcing parts from the middle of nowhere. As they say, when the going gets tough, the tough get going. And we were very fortunate to have found skilled professionals who really had no concept of 'impossible'. So, the bottom line? No idea. But we learned Americans weren't so bad, eh? Steve ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
I believe Ben was paraphrasing George Orwell's "Animal Farm" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm Years pass, and the pigs learn to walk upright, carry whips, and wear clothes. The Seven Commandments are reduced to a single phrase: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." Philip On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 18:13 -0400, ahmet erkan wrote: > Dear Ben, > If I were the NYC police officer, and stopped you for your broken > muffler you would have probably received a ticket and probably > more because of the infraction augmented by the attitude -- Philip & Marilyn Lange AE4OV & KD4JRC, S/V ORYOKI Witness 35 Catamaran http://www.oryoki.net Beaufort North Carolina 'There's no point in having a plan if you're not going to pretend to follow it.' ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
> > As one NYC police officer said to me (as my broken car muffler deafened him) > > "You're lucky that my wife was nice to me last night." > > Ah... what a lovely illustration of the "freedom" that we are entitled > to in this country. Some pigs are indeed more equal than others. Dear Ben, If I were the NYC police officer, and stopped you for your broken muffler you would have probably received a ticket and probably more because of the infraction augmented by the attitude. Ron on the other hand may just get a verbal warning. It is a human thing. Let me know if you can't figure it out? Better yet ask Ron. Don't ask Norm!... Having said that, Norm probably wouldnt say anything deragotary to the "police officer" during the event but may refer to him as a "pig" just like you or give him some other disrespectful title after the event. I agree with your philosophy about "leaving Dodge" as expeditiously as possible if an entire country wants to kill me. About the VHF radio station licence, I would carry one. About the passport, I would carry one. About the trash disposal plan, I would have one. About alcohol, I would declare all I have on board including the bottle in the first aid kit. About guns, I would pull out my Bruce Willis special with never ending bullets and kill the bastard and all of his 100 buddies. We are Americans and it is 4th of July dammit. Hey, enjoy life, and don't get so stressed out my friend. SV8827 Ahmet > From: b...@okopnik.com > Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2010 16:20:50 -0400 > To: liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com > Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a > restricted radio permit. > > On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 02:16:23PM -0400, Ron Rogers wrote: > > Perhaps it was on another forum, recently, where a visitor to the EU had to > > take a radio operator exam *which was in English*! I imagine that this is > > for extended stays. Why tempt fate? During the Tiananmen Square riots in > > China, some of my fellow American tourists wore Canadian label pins, etc. I > > did not respect that behavior. > > I'm in two minds about that sort of thing, myself. Is it cowardly > behavior, or is it just being extra-cautious - say, like getting a radio > license before cruising? I guess it depends. E.g., it's not something > that I would do by choice - i.e., I won't be packing any Canadian pins > if I ever have to visit China :) - but if it was a situation where the > political climate around me suddenly jelled into "let's kill all > Americans", I would a) kick myself repeatedly for being so completely > out of touch that I missed the warning signs; b) look for the shortest > path out of the country/to safety; and c) be as inconspicuous as > possible while running for that border. If that meant wearing a Canadian > jacket, then so be it. Since I'm not Bruce Willis, I wouldn't be able to > take a gun away from a Bad Guy and shoot him and a hundred of his > buddies (with a gun that holds six rounds), so I guess I'd have to be > smart instead of "bad"... > > What I _wouldn't_ do is wear that jacket *and* stick around to see the > festivities. The situation is either bad enough to follow emergency > escape procedures, or it's not. Anything in between smacks of cowardice > _and_ stupidity. > > > The Chinese people were genuinely friendly > > towards polite Americans. The detectives wearing leather jackets in hotel > > lobbies - not so much. > > You should have asked them if they wanted to be horse food. :) It seems > that foreign students in China - if I recall the story as it was told to > me, the student in question was from the UK - used to be taught the > phrase "do you want to be in trouble?", and were told to use it if > someone was bothering them. This particular girl's accent in Chinese was > absolutely awful - and so was the response of the people to whom she > said it (confusion and shock, but it seemed to get the right result.) > Turns out that pronouncing those words with the wrong tone carries a > rather different meaning... > > > Times change and particularly in the new era of terrorism. Passports are now > > required almost everywhere (maybe not Bermuda) and even to get back into the > > States. > > I spoke with a US Customs agent in Hampton Roads, VA about two months > ago and asked him about the details of returning to the States after > visiting foreign waters. According to him - and his partner, who was > standing right there, did not contradict him - you do not need a > passport, and a US DL is perfectly fine. > > > Things change from one Customs officer to another to include here in > > the States. In Mexico, they might try to nail you on a fishing license or a > > radio license or how your hair is parted. It helps to at least appear to be > > poor. > > Or at least to be a "working Joe" rather than a "millionaire on > vacation". Provoking resentment pointlessly is a really good way to > _become_ horse food. > > > As one NYC police
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
* I spoke with a US Customs agent in Hampton Roads, VA about two months ago and asked him about the details of returning to the States after visiting foreign waters. According to him - and his partner, who was standing right there, did not contradict him - you do not need a passport, and a US DL is perfectly fine. *That's true only if you're coming from a US Territory like PR or the VI or you're on a cruise where you don't visit a third country. 1. If you arrive by air, everyone needs a passport. 2. If you're coming from Canada, Mexico, Bermuda or the Caribbean by land (Don't know how to do that from Bermuda or the Caribbean) you need a passport, a passport card, or a enhanced DL certified secure (so far only issued by Michigan, New York, Vermont and Washington). 3. Coming in by boat from the aforementioned countries, you need the same as by land. Any other countries, you need a passport. Info here: http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html "But officer, the customs agent I spoke to said...Wait!...Wait!"[?] Ron Force Moscow Idaho USA <<338.gif>>___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
[Liveaboard] Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative
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Re: [Liveaboard] Underwater camera (was) Re: test of mirror to mailing address
On the recommendation of a relative who is a professional film maker, we bought a panasonic Lumix Ts-1 - waterproof to 3m, and takes video as well as 12mp still shots. It's about the size of a pack of cigarettes. On Jul 4, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Flying Pig wrote: > From: "Jim" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] test of mirror to mailing address > > >> Hi, Skip, >> >> I'm enjoying reading your logs immensely. I'm green with envy. >> You've >> inspired me to attempt to get underway to the Bahamas next fall. > > > Thanks for the kind words. You'll love it if you're into diving, > solitude, > scenery, and historical exploration... > >> >> Just curious, what are you using for an underwater camera? I've not >> seen pictures that good since using a borrowed Nikonous IV many >> years ago. > > It's something which has been supplanted by a newer model, but it's > sold > only as an underwater camera - case and camera together. It's an > Intova > 6MPixel, the current offering is 8MP. > > Confession: Picasa has made a tremendous difference to picture > quality; it's > cleaned up and brightened up the pix immensely, so I'm not sure you > can > credit everything to the camera. > > Meanwhile, outside of the housing, it's a very handy shirt-pocket > camera > with a decent screen (no viewfinder); it's what I'm carrying with me > as I > travel ashore in the next few weeks. > >> >> Jim.* > > L8R > > Skip, with grandkids and kids... > > PS, no the list doesn't populate the sender's mailbox, so I have to > keep the > copy address to see stuff I put up... > > > Morgan 461 #2 > SV Flying Pig KI4MPC > See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! > Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog > and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog > > "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to > make it come true. You may have to work for it however." > (and) > "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in > its hand. You seek problems because you need their gifts." > > (Richard Bach, in Illusions - The Reluctant Messiah) > > ___ > Liveaboard mailing list > Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com > To adjust your membership settings over the web > http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard > To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com > > To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com > The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ > > To search the archives > http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org > > The Mailman Users Guide can be found here > http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 02:16:23PM -0400, Ron Rogers wrote: > Perhaps it was on another forum, recently, where a visitor to the EU had to > take a radio operator exam *which was in English*! I imagine that this is > for extended stays. Why tempt fate? During the Tiananmen Square riots in > China, some of my fellow American tourists wore Canadian label pins, etc. I > did not respect that behavior. I'm in two minds about that sort of thing, myself. Is it cowardly behavior, or is it just being extra-cautious - say, like getting a radio license before cruising? I guess it depends. E.g., it's not something that I would do by choice - i.e., I won't be packing any Canadian pins if I ever have to visit China :) - but if it was a situation where the political climate around me suddenly jelled into "let's kill all Americans", I would a) kick myself repeatedly for being so completely out of touch that I missed the warning signs; b) look for the shortest path out of the country/to safety; and c) be as inconspicuous as possible while running for that border. If that meant wearing a Canadian jacket, then so be it. Since I'm not Bruce Willis, I wouldn't be able to take a gun away from a Bad Guy and shoot him and a hundred of his buddies (with a gun that holds six rounds), so I guess I'd have to be smart instead of "bad"... What I _wouldn't_ do is wear that jacket *and* stick around to see the festivities. The situation is either bad enough to follow emergency escape procedures, or it's not. Anything in between smacks of cowardice _and_ stupidity. > The Chinese people were genuinely friendly > towards polite Americans. The detectives wearing leather jackets in hotel > lobbies - not so much. You should have asked them if they wanted to be horse food. :) It seems that foreign students in China - if I recall the story as it was told to me, the student in question was from the UK - used to be taught the phrase "do you want to be in trouble?", and were told to use it if someone was bothering them. This particular girl's accent in Chinese was absolutely awful - and so was the response of the people to whom she said it (confusion and shock, but it seemed to get the right result.) Turns out that pronouncing those words with the wrong tone carries a rather different meaning... > Times change and particularly in the new era of terrorism. Passports are now > required almost everywhere (maybe not Bermuda) and even to get back into the > States. I spoke with a US Customs agent in Hampton Roads, VA about two months ago and asked him about the details of returning to the States after visiting foreign waters. According to him - and his partner, who was standing right there, did not contradict him - you do not need a passport, and a US DL is perfectly fine. > Things change from one Customs officer to another to include here in > the States. In Mexico, they might try to nail you on a fishing license or a > radio license or how your hair is parted. It helps to at least appear to be > poor. Or at least to be a "working Joe" rather than a "millionaire on vacation". Provoking resentment pointlessly is a really good way to _become_ horse food. > As one NYC police officer said to me (as my broken car muffler deafened him) > "You're lucky that my wife was nice to me last night." Ah... what a lovely illustration of the "freedom" that we are entitled to in this country. Some pigs are indeed more equal than others. Ben -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895http://okopnik.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
Perhaps it was on another forum, recently, where a visitor to the EU had to take a radio operator exam *which was in English*! I imagine that this is for extended stays. Why tempt fate? During the Tiananmen Square riots in China, some of my fellow American tourists wore Canadian label pins, etc. I did not respect that behavior. The Chinese people were genuinely friendly towards polite Americans. The detectives wearing leather jackets in hotel lobbies - not so much. Times change and particularly in the new era of terrorism. Passports are now required almost everywhere (maybe not Bermuda) and even to get back into the States. Things change from one Customs officer to another to include here in the States. In Mexico, they might try to nail you on a fishing license or a radio license or how your hair is parted. It helps to at least appear to be poor. You cannot depend upon someone not to enforce a law on the books - see traffic cops. Every official has some discretion and you want that dispensed in your favor. One person's experience yesterday might not be yours today. As one NYC police officer said to me (as my broken car muffler deafened him) "You're lucky that my wife was nice to me last night." Ron Rogers ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
[Liveaboard] List copy error (was) Re: test of mirror to mailing address
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> Sorry, I meant to send this to Skip only.
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[Liveaboard] Underwater camera (was) Re: test of mirror to mailing address
From: "Jim" To: Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Liveaboard] test of mirror to mailing address > Hi, Skip, > > I'm enjoying reading your logs immensely. I'm green with envy. You've > inspired me to attempt to get underway to the Bahamas next fall. Thanks for the kind words. You'll love it if you're into diving, solitude, scenery, and historical exploration... > > Just curious, what are you using for an underwater camera? I've not > seen pictures that good since using a borrowed Nikonous IV many years ago. It's something which has been supplanted by a newer model, but it's sold only as an underwater camera - case and camera together. It's an Intova 6MPixel, the current offering is 8MP. Confession: Picasa has made a tremendous difference to picture quality; it's cleaned up and brightened up the pix immensely, so I'm not sure you can credit everything to the camera. Meanwhile, outside of the housing, it's a very handy shirt-pocket camera with a decent screen (no viewfinder); it's what I'm carrying with me as I travel ashore in the next few weeks. > > Jim.* L8R Skip, with grandkids and kids... PS, no the list doesn't populate the sender's mailbox, so I have to keep the copy address to see stuff I put up... Morgan 461 #2 SV Flying Pig KI4MPC See our galleries at www.justpickone.org/skip/gallery ! Follow us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheFlyingPigLog and/or http://groups.google.com/group/flyingpiglog "You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it come true. You may have to work for it however." (and) "There is no such thing as a problem without a gift for you in its hand. You seek problems because you need their gifts." (Richard Bach, in Illusions - The Reluctant Messiah) ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 12:20:03PM -0400, Philip wrote: > How long ago was that Ben? > > I have had my boat searched by Officials in St Lucia. First asked me if > I had liquor on board, then searched that see if I had any they I didn't > not declare. > > Heard of another cruisers that was fined 5000 usd when they found a > couple of extra bottles on his boat. > > And How about the French Islands? One young and not too flush fellow was > fined heavily for entering their waters with only state registration for > his boat, then ordered to leave. Admittedly, my experience was not in the immediate past - I've been Stateside for a few years, although I've done a cruise to the Bahamas during that time (and am in the midst of a cruise now; heading north, perhaps to Canada, and then south to the islands in the fall.) I also note, though, that this kind of thing seems to happen only to American cruisers; in speaking to a large number of other sailors, I've never heard a single one complain of anything resembling this kind of treatment. Actually, one Canadian couple told me about getting hassled in Venezuela... until the wife sewed a large red maple leaf with the word "Canada" prominently displayed under it on the front pockets of their jackets. -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895http://okopnik.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
How long ago was that Ben? I have had my boat searched by Officials in St Lucia. First asked me if I had liquor on board, then searched that see if I had any they I didn't not declare. Heard of another cruisers that was fined 5000 usd when they found a couple of extra bottles on his boat. And How about the French Islands? One young and not too flush fellow was fined heavily for entering their waters with only state registration for his boat, then ordered to leave. Philip On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 12:05 -0400, Ben Okopnik wrote: > > Why provide a foreign government an excuse to arrest you or your > boat? > > [sigh] Ron, no disrespect intended... but why terrify yourself with > imaginary foreign governments that know or care about US paperwork? > You > might as well postulate a firing squad (instantly convened for the > offense of being a foreigner) and be done with it. :) -- Philip & Marilyn Lange AE4OV & KD4JRC, S/V ORYOKI Witness 35 Catamaran http://www.oryoki.net Beaufort North Carolina 'There's no point in having a plan if you're not going to pretend to follow it.' ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 01:04:50AM -0400, Ron Rogers wrote: > > Why provide a foreign government an excuse to arrest you or your boat? [sigh] Ron, no disrespect intended... but why terrify yourself with imaginary foreign governments that know or care about US paperwork? You might as well postulate a firing squad (instantly convened for the offense of being a foreigner) and be done with it. :) In my years of cruising and encountering customs and immigration procedures of all sorts, I've never run into one that asked me about anything but the very basic paperwork (essentially, some sort of ID that showed you to be affiliated with some country.) In fact, 99% of them of were satisfied with a US driver's license - and I'm not saying this facetiously; I used a Maryland DL as my main ID for years while cruising the Caribbean (for the last three years of that, it was expired. Made no difference.) Unless you're going through something like the British Virgin Islands, where the C&I people are not only very serious and professional but also see US paperwork day in and day out, you could probably get away with printing up something with stamps and seals and ribbons that declared you to be The Grand Panjandrum-Poobah of Gilliwhilikin, and have no problems - or, at worst, be asked for another form of ID because the C&I officer doesn't recognize it as a valid document. Oh, and - I had an SSB on board for most of those years, big and visible and immediately to starboard of the main companionway. Nobody ever paid the slightest attention to it. I'd sooner have expected the average C&I guy to break out in a Wagner aria than ask me about radio paperwork. -- OKOPNIK CONSULTING Custom Computing Solutions For Your Business Expert-led Training | Dynamic, vital websites | Custom programming 443-250-7895http://okopnik.com ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] test of mirror to mailing address
Jim wrote: > Hi, Skip, > > I'm enjoying reading your logs immensely. I'm green with envy. You've > inspired me to attempt to get underway to the Bahamas next fall. > > Just curious, what are you using for an underwater camera? I've not > seen pictures that good since using a borrowed Nikonous IV many years ago. > > Jim.* > Sorry, I meant to send this to Skip only. Jim. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] test of mirror to mailing address
Hi, Skip, I'm enjoying reading your logs immensely. I'm green with envy. You've inspired me to attempt to get underway to the Bahamas next fall. Just curious, what are you using for an underwater camera? I've not seen pictures that good since using a borrowed Nikonous IV many years ago. Jim.* * ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
LAL wrote: > Ron, Jim, et al, > > Here in the Med, they take lots of glee when they find a cruising > sailor with a marine VHF / HF radio, and no license.. > > And they take special glee when there is a ham radio on board and no > ham radio license, even if the Captain says he is using it solely as a > marine HF transceiver > Probably then get him on a second charge of using a non type accepted radio on the marine bands. > Just walk the docks in Marmaris, Fethiye, Chios, Samos etc and one can > listen to the horror stories... > > Lee > Turkey > (I AND my Admiral have ours!) > On Jul 4, 2010, at 8:04 , Ron Rogers wrote: > > Why provide a foreign government an excuse to arrest you or your boat? > > Ron Rogers > Thanks for the responses, fellas. I'm not going to be guilty of anything. Both of us have our ham tickets and I've got the commercial. Just have to cough up the dough for Sue's permit, eventually. Thanks, Jim. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
Re: [Liveaboard] How many international sailors with HF get a restricted radio permit.
Ron, Jim, et al, Here in the Med, they take lots of glee when they find a cruising sailor with a marine VHF / HF radio, and no license.. And they take special glee when there is a ham radio on board and no ham radio license, even if the Captain says he is using it solely as a marine HF transceiver Just walk the docks in Marmaris, Fethiye, Chios, Samos etc and one can listen to the horror stories... Lee Turkey (I AND my Admiral have ours!) On Jul 4, 2010, at 8:04 , Ron Rogers wrote: Why provide a foreign government an excuse to arrest you or your boat? Ron Rogers -Original Message- On Behalf Of Jim I'm just curious if anyone bothers. I've read a lot of cruising reports and never heard any mention having to produce the license. It doesn't make any difference to me since I've had a radio telephone 1st class (and its followon) since 1962 but I was just curious. ___ Liveaboard mailing list Liveaboard@liveaboardonline.com To adjust your membership settings over the web http://liveaboardonline.com/mailman/listinfo/liveaboard To subscribe send an email to liveaboard-j...@liveaboardonline.com To unsubscribe send an email to liveaboard-le...@liveaboardonline.com The archives are at http://www.liveaboardonline.com/pipermail/liveaboard/ To search the archives http://www.mail-archive.com/liveabo...@liveaboardnow.org The Mailman Users Guide can be found here http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-member/index.html
