RE: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

2011-07-19 Thread Turner, Jay
I can do some lazy initialization, but there is still a basic problem.

Looking at the source code for LogManager, I find that it has a static block of 
code. This static block will run as I try to do anything with LogManager. I can 
get it down to LogManager.setRepositorySelector(rs,guard) without trigerring 
the static block in LogManager. The mere call to setRepositorySelector runs the 
static block first, which runs code that calls 
OptionConverter.selectAndConfigure(...) unless log4j.defaultInitOverride is set.

So there is no way to prepare log4j before it initializes unless the user is 
kind enough to set log4j.defaultInitOverride or define log4j.configuratorClass. 
Both of these require the user - instead of the library handling the logging on 
behalf of the user - to setup the environment correctly and without conflicting 
with any other application.

Thank you,
Jay Turner

-Original Message-
From: Scott Deboy [mailto:scott.de...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:47 PM
To: Log4J Users List
Subject: Re: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

Can you lazily initialize the ref to the root logger in your
LoggerRepositoryHandler instead of passing it in to the constructor?  It
seems like that should resolve your problem.

Scott

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Turner, Jay
Jay.Turner@sabre-holdin gs.comwrote:

 The inherited code did have some public static final
 org.apache.log4j.Logger ... calls, thank you. Changing those allowed my
 code to be called first. However a Catch-22 still exists. Trying:

private static final Object guard = new Object();
private static final LoggerRepositoryHandler handler =
 setupLoggerRepositoryHandler();

private static LoggerRepositoryHandler setupLoggerRepositoryHandler() {
LoggerRepositoryHandler handle =
new
 LoggerRepositoryHandler(org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository().getRootLogger());

org.apache.log4j.LogManager.setRepositorySelector(new
 RepositorySelector() {
public LoggerRepository getLoggerRepository() {
return handler;
}}, guard
);

return handle;
}

 This gets called first, but the
 org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository() call to link my repository
 with the default repository invokes the log4j setup, which completes and
 uses the default repository before my new repository (with the
 parseUnrecognizedElement method) is setup. If I set the selector first then
 when I call getLoggerRepository() it will go through my selector which has
 no default repository setup.

 I can't get ahold of the log4j system to link in my
 parseUnrecognizedElement method first without letting log4j setup everything
 first.

 How has anyone every hooked parseUnrecognizedElement into log4j before it
 starts up?

 I just need to process multiple non-logger/appender-specific myKey=myValue
 parameters like this:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
!DOCTYPE log4j:configuration SYSTEM log4j.dtd

log4j:configuration xmlns:log4j=http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/;
 debug=true

param name=myKey value=myValue/

 Thank you,
 Jay Turner

  From: Scott Deboy ... more likely a static logger declaration or a logger
 instance
  be initialized prior to your configuration code being ran.


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Re: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

2011-07-19 Thread Scott Deboy
That sounds like a bug that should be fixed.  Mind submitting a bug?  If you
want to provide a patch we'd be happy to review it.

Thanks

Scott

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Turner, Jay jay.tur...@sabre-holdings.com
 wrote:

 I can do some lazy initialization, but there is still a basic problem.

 Looking at the source code for LogManager, I find that it has a static
 block of code. This static block will run as I try to do anything with
 LogManager. I can get it down to LogManager.setRepositorySelector(rs,guard)
 without trigerring the static block in LogManager. The mere call to
 setRepositorySelector runs the static block first, which runs code that
 calls OptionConverter.selectAndConfigure(...) unless
 log4j.defaultInitOverride is set.

 So there is no way to prepare log4j before it initializes unless the user
 is kind enough to set log4j.defaultInitOverride or define
 log4j.configuratorClass. Both of these require the user - instead of the
 library handling the logging on behalf of the user - to setup the
 environment correctly and without conflicting with any other application.

 Thank you,
 Jay Turner

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Deboy [mailto:scott.de...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:47 PM
 To: Log4J Users List
 Subject: Re: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

 Can you lazily initialize the ref to the root logger in your
 LoggerRepositoryHandler instead of passing it in to the constructor?  It
 seems like that should resolve your problem.

 Scott

 On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Turner, Jay
 Jay.Turner@sabre-holdin gs.comwrote:

  The inherited code did have some public static final
  org.apache.log4j.Logger ... calls, thank you. Changing those allowed my
  code to be called first. However a Catch-22 still exists. Trying:
 
 private static final Object guard = new Object();
 private static final LoggerRepositoryHandler handler =
  setupLoggerRepositoryHandler();
 
 private static LoggerRepositoryHandler setupLoggerRepositoryHandler()
 {
 LoggerRepositoryHandler handle =
 new
 
 LoggerRepositoryHandler(org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository().getRootLogger());
 
 org.apache.log4j.LogManager.setRepositorySelector(new
  RepositorySelector() {
 public LoggerRepository getLoggerRepository() {
 return handler;
 }}, guard
 );
 
 return handle;
 }
 
  This gets called first, but the
  org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository() call to link my
 repository
  with the default repository invokes the log4j setup, which completes and
  uses the default repository before my new repository (with the
  parseUnrecognizedElement method) is setup. If I set the selector first
 then
  when I call getLoggerRepository() it will go through my selector which
 has
  no default repository setup.
 
  I can't get ahold of the log4j system to link in my
  parseUnrecognizedElement method first without letting log4j setup
 everything
  first.
 
  How has anyone every hooked parseUnrecognizedElement into log4j before it
  starts up?
 
  I just need to process multiple non-logger/appender-specific
 myKey=myValue
  parameters like this:
 
 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
 !DOCTYPE log4j:configuration SYSTEM log4j.dtd
 
 log4j:configuration xmlns:log4j=http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/;
  debug=true
 
 param name=myKey value=myValue/
 
  Thank you,
  Jay Turner
 
   From: Scott Deboy ... more likely a static logger declaration or a
 logger
  instance
   be initialized prior to your configuration code being ran.
 
 
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RE: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

2011-07-19 Thread Turner, Jay
I don't know how to submit a bug or a patch.

I think the design just needs a little ... flexibility. Keep everything the 
same but provide an entry point or two that set things before configuring. The 
entire static block probably needs to be a method that is guarded and invoked 
once. Then a few static method can set things before the other static methods 
check the guard and configure when needed.

I'll look at it and anyone feel free to take a stab at it too.

Thank you,
Jay Turner

-Original Message-
From: Scott Deboy [mailto:scott.de...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:22 PM
To: Log4J Users List
Subject: Re: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

That sounds like a bug that should be fixed.  Mind submitting a bug?  If you
want to provide a patch we'd be happy to review it.

Thanks

Scott

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Turner, Jay jay.tur...@sabre-holdings.com
 wrote:

 I can do some lazy initialization, but there is still a basic problem.

 Looking at the source code for LogManager, I find that it has a static
 block of code. This static block will run as I try to do anything with
 LogManager. I can get it down to LogManager.setRepositorySelector(rs,guard)
 without trigerring the static block in LogManager. The mere call to
 setRepositorySelector runs the static block first, which runs code that
 calls OptionConverter.selectAndConfigure(...) unless
 log4j.defaultInitOverride is set.

 So there is no way to prepare log4j before it initializes unless the user
 is kind enough to set log4j.defaultInitOverride or define
 log4j.configuratorClass. Both of these require the user - instead of the
 library handling the logging on behalf of the user - to setup the
 environment correctly and without conflicting with any other application.

 Thank you,
 Jay Turner

 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Deboy [mailto:scott.de...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:47 PM
 To: Log4J Users List
 Subject: Re: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

 Can you lazily initialize the ref to the root logger in your
 LoggerRepositoryHandler instead of passing it in to the constructor?  It
 seems like that should resolve your problem.

 Scott

 On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Turner, Jay
 Jay.Turner@sabre-holdin gs.comwrote:

  The inherited code did have some public static final
  org.apache.log4j.Logger ... calls, thank you. Changing those allowed my
  code to be called first. However a Catch-22 still exists. Trying:
 
 private static final Object guard = new Object();
 private static final LoggerRepositoryHandler handler =
  setupLoggerRepositoryHandler();
 
 private static LoggerRepositoryHandler setupLoggerRepositoryHandler()
 {
 LoggerRepositoryHandler handle =
 new
 
 LoggerRepositoryHandler(org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository().getRootLogger());
 
 org.apache.log4j.LogManager.setRepositorySelector(new
  RepositorySelector() {
 public LoggerRepository getLoggerRepository() {
 return handler;
 }}, guard
 );
 
 return handle;
 }
 
  This gets called first, but the
  org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository() call to link my
 repository
  with the default repository invokes the log4j setup, which completes and
  uses the default repository before my new repository (with the
  parseUnrecognizedElement method) is setup. If I set the selector first
 then
  when I call getLoggerRepository() it will go through my selector which
 has
  no default repository setup.
 
  I can't get ahold of the log4j system to link in my
  parseUnrecognizedElement method first without letting log4j setup
 everything
  first.
 
  How has anyone every hooked parseUnrecognizedElement into log4j before it
  starts up?
 
  I just need to process multiple non-logger/appender-specific
 myKey=myValue
  parameters like this:
 
 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
 !DOCTYPE log4j:configuration SYSTEM log4j.dtd
 
 log4j:configuration xmlns:log4j=http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/;
  debug=true
 
 param name=myKey value=myValue/
 
  Thank you,
  Jay Turner
 
   From: Scott Deboy ... more likely a static logger declaration or a
 logger
  instance
   be initialized prior to your configuration code being ran.
 
 
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Re: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

2011-07-19 Thread Jacob Kjome
Of course the quick fix is to manually set the log4j.defaultInitOverride 
property in code prior to calling LogManager.setRepositorySelector(rs,guard) 
using...


System.setProperty(log4j.defaultInitOverride, true);

That way, you don't have to depend on a user setting it.


Jake


On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 14:58:49 -0500
 Turner, Jay jay.tur...@sabre-holdings.com wrote:

I don't know how to submit a bug or a patch.

I think the design just needs a little ... flexibility. Keep everything the 
same but provide an entry point or two that set things before configuring. 
The entire static block probably needs to be a method that is guarded and 
invoked once. Then a few static method can set things before the other static 
methods check the guard and configure when needed.


I'll look at it and anyone feel free to take a stab at it too.

Thank you,
Jay Turner

-Original Message-
From: Scott Deboy [mailto:scott.de...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2011 2:22 PM

To: Log4J Users List
Subject: Re: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

That sounds like a bug that should be fixed.  Mind submitting a bug?  If you
want to provide a patch we'd be happy to review it.

Thanks

Scott

On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Turner, Jay jay.tur...@sabre-holdings.com

wrote:



I can do some lazy initialization, but there is still a basic problem.

Looking at the source code for LogManager, I find that it has a static
block of code. This static block will run as I try to do anything with
LogManager. I can get it down to LogManager.setRepositorySelector(rs,guard)
without trigerring the static block in LogManager. The mere call to
setRepositorySelector runs the static block first, which runs code that
calls OptionConverter.selectAndConfigure(...) unless
log4j.defaultInitOverride is set.

So there is no way to prepare log4j before it initializes unless the user
is kind enough to set log4j.defaultInitOverride or define
log4j.configuratorClass. Both of these require the user - instead of the
library handling the logging on behalf of the user - to setup the
environment correctly and without conflicting with any other application.

Thank you,
Jay Turner

-Original Message-
From: Scott Deboy [mailto:scott.de...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:47 PM
To: Log4J Users List
Subject: Re: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

Can you lazily initialize the ref to the root logger in your
LoggerRepositoryHandler instead of passing it in to the constructor?  It
seems like that should resolve your problem.

Scott

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Turner, Jay
Jay.Turner@sabre-holdin gs.comwrote:

 The inherited code did have some public static final
 org.apache.log4j.Logger ... calls, thank you. Changing those allowed my
 code to be called first. However a Catch-22 still exists. Trying:

private static final Object guard = new Object();
private static final LoggerRepositoryHandler handler =
 setupLoggerRepositoryHandler();

private static LoggerRepositoryHandler setupLoggerRepositoryHandler()
{
LoggerRepositoryHandler handle =
new

LoggerRepositoryHandler(org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository().getRootLogger());

org.apache.log4j.LogManager.setRepositorySelector(new
 RepositorySelector() {
public LoggerRepository getLoggerRepository() {
return handler;
}}, guard
);

return handle;
}

 This gets called first, but the
 org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository() call to link my
repository
 with the default repository invokes the log4j setup, which completes and
 uses the default repository before my new repository (with the
 parseUnrecognizedElement method) is setup. If I set the selector first
then
 when I call getLoggerRepository() it will go through my selector which
has
 no default repository setup.

 I can't get ahold of the log4j system to link in my
 parseUnrecognizedElement method first without letting log4j setup
everything
 first.

 How has anyone every hooked parseUnrecognizedElement into log4j before it
 starts up?

 I just need to process multiple non-logger/appender-specific
myKey=myValue
 parameters like this:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
!DOCTYPE log4j:configuration SYSTEM log4j.dtd

log4j:configuration xmlns:log4j=http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/;
 debug=true

param name=myKey value=myValue/

 Thank you,
 Jay Turner

  From: Scott Deboy ... more likely a static logger declaration or a
logger
 instance
  be initialized prior to your configuration code being ran.


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How do I hook in before log4j starts?

2011-07-18 Thread Turner, Jay
I want to be able to connect my new LoggerRepository to log4j before log4j runs 
its default initialization. But log4j seems to initialize before any 
significant code of mine is run. What causes the log4j initialization 
(statics?, get* calls?)? What can I execute before log4j initialization is 
triggered to hook in?

In detail, I have log4j.configuration=my.xml and log4j initializes with it. The 
issue is that I have created a new LoggerRepository that is the same as the 
base one but that implements UnrecognizedElementHandler. Now I want to hook 
that in so that log4j initialization uses my code while initializing. What 
happens right now is that I have to reinitialize again just to get the new 
elements. Without additivity=false there would be issues with duplicates, but 
initializing the system twice is inefficient and can cause other side effects.

Thank you,
Jay Turner



RE: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

2011-07-18 Thread Turner, Jay
To add to the issue:

I can use log4j.defaultInitOverride and then my application gets control first. 
I can set log4j.configuratorClass and get control too. The issue is when my 
code is deployed in environments that already have log4j implementations. They 
may not set log4j.defaultInitOverride, and they certainly wouldn't set 
log4j.configuratorClass to my code. I can't change the system properties 
because that would affect other applications. I also cannot have my appenders, 
etc, placed in a central log4j XML configuration file. Each application must be 
able to be redeployed without interfering with others.

What I need is a way to set my configurator, logger repository, etc - not using 
system properties that can interfere with other applications - and then 
initialize log4j using my XML configuration which is not combined with any 
other.

Thank you,
Jay Turner

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RE: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

2011-07-18 Thread Turner, Jay
I call my Library Jar which has log4j setup in it. I'm calling a static method 
in my class. Before I can get to the LogManager.setRepositorySelector, log4j 
gets to run, loads its configuration from log4j.configuration, can't interpret 
the unrecognized parameters, and generally finishes initialization. I suspect 
that when I enter the Library to run a static method that all of the other 
statics are run, along with the statics in log4j.jar. So log4j initializes 
before you can get a chance to setup anything. Unless I'm missing something, 
how can I get around this Catch-22?

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Re: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

2011-07-18 Thread Tushar Kapila
Can try - When your app start make sure the first class that runs does
not have a log4j instance member or other reference to log4j besides
the repository call. Use system out till then.

On 7/19/11, Turner, Jay jay.tur...@sabre-holdings.com wrote:
 I call my Library Jar which has log4j setup in it. I'm calling a static
 method in my class. Before I can get to the
 LogManager.setRepositorySelector, log4j gets to run, loads its configuration
 from log4j.configuration, can't interpret the unrecognized parameters, and
 generally finishes initialization. I suspect that when I enter the Library
 to run a static method that all of the other statics are run, along with the
 statics in log4j.jar. So log4j initializes before you can get a chance to
 setup anything. Unless I'm missing something, how can I get around this
 Catch-22?

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Re: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

2011-07-18 Thread Scott Deboy
log4j initialization is running because of explicit programmatic
configuration (via PropertyConfigurator/DOMConfigurator) or more likely a
static logger declaration or a logger instance be initialized prior to your
configuration code being ran.

I'd suggest changing your logger declarations to be non-static and moving
your initialization logic into a static block at the top of the first class
that is being loaded.

Scott

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Turner, Jay
jay.tur...@sabre-holdings.comwrote:

 I call my Library Jar which has log4j setup in it. I'm calling a static
 method in my class. Before I can get to the
 LogManager.setRepositorySelector, log4j gets to run, loads its configuration
 from log4j.configuration, can't interpret the unrecognized parameters, and
 generally finishes initialization. I suspect that when I enter the Library
 to run a static method that all of the other statics are run, along with the
 statics in log4j.jar. So log4j initializes before you can get a chance to
 setup anything. Unless I'm missing something, how can I get around this
 Catch-22?

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RE: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

2011-07-18 Thread Turner, Jay
The inherited code did have some public static final org.apache.log4j.Logger 
... calls, thank you. Changing those allowed my code to be called first. 
However a Catch-22 still exists. Trying:

private static final Object guard = new Object();
private static final LoggerRepositoryHandler handler = 
setupLoggerRepositoryHandler();

private static LoggerRepositoryHandler setupLoggerRepositoryHandler() {
LoggerRepositoryHandler handle =
new 
LoggerRepositoryHandler(org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository().getRootLogger());

org.apache.log4j.LogManager.setRepositorySelector(new 
RepositorySelector() {
public LoggerRepository getLoggerRepository() {
return handler;
}}, guard
);

return handle;
}

This gets called first, but the 
org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository() call to link my repository 
with the default repository invokes the log4j setup, which completes and uses 
the default repository before my new repository (with the 
parseUnrecognizedElement method) is setup. If I set the selector first then 
when I call getLoggerRepository() it will go through my selector which has no 
default repository setup.

I can't get ahold of the log4j system to link in my parseUnrecognizedElement 
method first without letting log4j setup everything first.

How has anyone every hooked parseUnrecognizedElement into log4j before it 
starts up?

I just need to process multiple non-logger/appender-specific myKey=myValue 
parameters like this:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
!DOCTYPE log4j:configuration SYSTEM log4j.dtd

log4j:configuration xmlns:log4j=http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/; 
debug=true

param name=myKey value=myValue/

Thank you,
Jay Turner

 From: Scott Deboy ... more likely a static logger declaration or a logger 
 instance
 be initialized prior to your configuration code being ran.


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Re: How do I hook in before log4j starts?

2011-07-18 Thread Scott Deboy
Can you lazily initialize the ref to the root logger in your
LoggerRepositoryHandler instead of passing it in to the constructor?  It
seems like that should resolve your problem.

Scott

On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Turner, Jay
jay.tur...@sabre-holdings.comwrote:

 The inherited code did have some public static final
 org.apache.log4j.Logger ... calls, thank you. Changing those allowed my
 code to be called first. However a Catch-22 still exists. Trying:

private static final Object guard = new Object();
private static final LoggerRepositoryHandler handler =
 setupLoggerRepositoryHandler();

private static LoggerRepositoryHandler setupLoggerRepositoryHandler() {
LoggerRepositoryHandler handle =
new
 LoggerRepositoryHandler(org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository().getRootLogger());

org.apache.log4j.LogManager.setRepositorySelector(new
 RepositorySelector() {
public LoggerRepository getLoggerRepository() {
return handler;
}}, guard
);

return handle;
}

 This gets called first, but the
 org.apache.log4j.LogManager.getLoggerRepository() call to link my repository
 with the default repository invokes the log4j setup, which completes and
 uses the default repository before my new repository (with the
 parseUnrecognizedElement method) is setup. If I set the selector first then
 when I call getLoggerRepository() it will go through my selector which has
 no default repository setup.

 I can't get ahold of the log4j system to link in my
 parseUnrecognizedElement method first without letting log4j setup everything
 first.

 How has anyone every hooked parseUnrecognizedElement into log4j before it
 starts up?

 I just need to process multiple non-logger/appender-specific myKey=myValue
 parameters like this:

?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
!DOCTYPE log4j:configuration SYSTEM log4j.dtd

log4j:configuration xmlns:log4j=http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/;
 debug=true

param name=myKey value=myValue/

 Thank you,
 Jay Turner

  From: Scott Deboy ... more likely a static logger declaration or a logger
 instance
  be initialized prior to your configuration code being ran.


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