Re: Upcoming technical meeting
We'll start at about 7pm and people will be practiving TPC and YAPC::E talks. I'll be there... btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the list will be published. [1] Red
Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux
Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat. Big boned. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Religion (was Re: M$ SQueaLServer)
* Philip Newton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Greg McCarroll wrote on Freitag, 8. Juni 2001 11:11 And some pieces of software just wont be able to be plugged in - why can't i run Samba on Windows? Why would you want to? * in a heterogeneous network i may want to standardise on a single SMB implementation so that logs, config, etc. are in the same format * SAMBA offers functionality beyond that of the windows implementation, for instance i remember noting that you could link a shared ``printer'' definition to an executable, i added a little bit of hacking, a poor ps2html convertor and a webserver and i had a nice little document storage/archiving system, that people could simply print to * bugs/security holes may not be solved as quickly in MS's version * i may be an open source zealot and want to know what is running on my machine down to each line of code (shame about the rest of the OS on this point) * its my computer and i should be able to run what software/services i want and not be locked in AFAIK Samba implements the SMB protocol, which is the native resource (file, printer, ...) sharing protocol of Windows. So if you have Windows, you've already got an SMB client and server running. for the same reasons people install apache on windows when they already have personal web server running ;-) Sounds a bit like How can I port MKS's korn shell to Unix? Is it possible?. Well, maybe the analogy is not so hot, but it's the best I can think of. but if you have the source and some time you can, and you may do it for similar reasons to the ones i stated above Greg -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat. Big boned. Nope. -- Piers Cawley www.iterative-software.com
Re: London.pm posting stats
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 03:13:19PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: here is the results from a partial mbox of ny.pm messages, it is not that complete an mbox, but it does indicate that we are simply not doing or best to take over NY.pm You know, I've been meaning to ask... Why in the world would you *want* to take over NY.pm??? Because you've lost your way, there was a time that no one would ever have to ask questions such as ... Hmmm, is talking about beer off-topic or on-topic here? - John Kominetz, 8/6/2001 Where did you go wrong? It used to be that London.pm could regard NY.pm as its sister group (i would say brother, but you could never handle your booze) shining brightly in the dark sky of Perl Monger groups that talked about Perl. Whats next, NY.pm the educational cooperative? *shudder* ;-) -- Greg McCarrollhttp://217.34.97.146/~gem/
Re: Upcoming technical meeting
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 07:23:32AM +, Redvers Davies wrote: I'll be there... btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the list will be published. [1] I had an e-mail from Ann Barcomb yesterday saying that my lightning talk had been accepted. I don't know anything further Nicholas Clark
Re: Upcoming technical meeting
Redvers Davies sent the following bits through the ether: I'll be there... btw, has anyone heard back from the YAPC::Europe peeps about which papers have been accepted?... or have any idea when the list will be published. [1] Speakers will be told Real Soon Now. Registration might happen pretty soon too. Speakers don't need to register. Leon [1] no, I have no idea why you missed the footnote either -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ Iterative Software...http://www.iterative-software.com/ ... Apple (c) 6024 b.c., Adam Eve
Perl CGI For The World Wide Web
Remember the discussion some months ago about what a horrible book this was? Well, I've been exchanging emails with the author since slagging her off big-time on Amazon. Somehow I've managed to make her thing that my input is useful and I've just received a copy of the second edition of the book. * Every example uses /usr/bin/perl -wT * Every example uses strict (and, therefore, my) * Every example used CGI::param I consider this a massive improvement. Dave... p.s Oh, and the acknowledgements page lists Dave Cross, who not only pointed out the problems, but also helped me solve them :)
Re: Perl CGI For The World Wide Web
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Remember the discussion some months ago about what a horrible book this was? Well, I've been exchanging emails with the author since slagging her off big-time on Amazon. Somehow I've managed to make her thing that my input is useful and I've just received a copy of the second edition of the book. So how are the kiddiez taking it? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Perl CGI For The World Wide Web
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 12:10:08PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Remember the discussion some months ago about what a horrible book this was? Well, I've been exchanging emails with the author since slagging her off big-time on Amazon. Somehow I've managed to make her thing that my input is useful and I've just received a copy of the second edition of the book. So how are the kiddiez taking it? No response so far. I'll keep you posted :) Dave...
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
From: Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: www.gateway.gov.uk As a public service I would exhort all of you to go to this site and then complain when it tells you that you are using an 'Unsupported Browser' (which I guess will be more than half of you :) I agree that this is pants. I don't see why I need cookies, javascript and Java enabled. But I don't fully understand digital certificates. Assume for a moment that I'm using lynx on Linux, and I want to send the government my tax return securely. What are the security implications, can it actually be done. I don't want to go off half-cocked and complain about something when I don't fully understand why the alternative is better. Could someone explain it to me, and give me an address to send my complaint to, and I'll definitely do it. /Robert
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 01:54:01PM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: From: Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] As a public service I would exhort all of you to go to this site and then complain when it tells you that you are using an 'Unsupported Browser' (which I guess will be more than half of you :) I agree that this is pants. I don't see why I need cookies, javascript and Java enabled. But I don't fully understand digital certificates. Assume for a moment that I'm using lynx on Linux, and I want to send the government my tax return securely. What are the security implications, can it actually be done. I don't want to go off half-cocked and complain about something when I don't fully understand why the alternative is better. They also don't let you use Netscape on Linux, even with 128-bit encryption and all the other security goodies. That is just as secure as - if not better than - IE on Windows. So yes, the only reason for not allowing me to use it is incompetence on the part of whichever civil 'servants' were in charge of implementing it. This incompetence is further manifested in their choice of platform. even if I *could* use it, I wouldn't use it anyway, as I do not have sufficient confidence in the integrity of the server for such important information as my (eg) medical and tax data. Could someone explain it to me, and give me an address to send my complaint to, and I'll definitely do it. http://www.stand.org.uk should have the Fax My MP thing back soon. I have a long list of things to bother mine about, none of which he bothered to answer when I asked him during the election campaign. No surprise that I didn't vote for the little shit then. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Good advice is always certain to be ignored, but that's no reason not to give it-- Agatha Christie
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:06:24PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: So yes, the only reason for not allowing me to use it is incompetence on the part of whichever civil 'servants' were in charge of implementing it. And nothing to do with the deal struck between Microsoft and the government. No. -- You want to read that stuff, fine. You want to create a network for such things, fine. You want to explore the theoretical boundaries of free speech, fine. But when it starts impacting *people* trying to *communicate*, then that is where I draw the line. - Russ Allbery, http://www.slacker.com/rant.html
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:09:23PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:06:24PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: So yes, the only reason for not allowing me to use it is incompetence on the part of whichever civil 'servants' were in charge of implementing it. And nothing to do with the deal struck between Microsoft and the government. No. I tend not to pay much attention to conspiracy theories. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Good advice is always certain to be ignored, but that's no reason not to give it-- Agatha Christie
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, 09 Jun 2001, Robert Shiels wrote: From: Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: www.gateway.gov.uk As a public service I would exhort all of you to go to this site and then complain when it tells you that you are using an 'Unsupported Browser' (which I guess will be more than half of you :) I agree that this is pants. I don't see why I need cookies, javascript and Java enabled. But I don't fully understand digital certificates. Assume for a moment that I'm using lynx on Linux, and I want to send the government my tax return securely. What are the security implications, can it actually be done. yes .. its just SSL .. the digital certificate is just to identify who you are .. like a digital signature. so the SSL layer provides the transport security .. the digital certificate ( that you get from an issuing authority ) proves who you are ( maybe ). I don't want to go off half-cocked and complain about something when I don't fully understand why the alternative is better. the new site is a fine example of something that was dreamt up by webdesigneers with no concept of 'cross platform coding' or standards compliance. its suppose to ditribute information in a clear and concise way .. not piss about with animated sliding panles and multilayer flirtations with art design .. you can do good and attrctive designs in simple HTML, you don;t need Java to getthe message across. Could someone explain it to me, and give me an address to send my complaint to, and I'll definitely do it. well .. consider this. the old ( apache / Linux ) driven site (www.open.gov.uk IIRC ) was a testament to good web design. graphics light and W3C html compliant AND it met the W3C accessibility guidelines .. the new site is a stinking pile of shit. all the backgrounds are fixed colour, the text fixed colour and the text size is pixed in pixels .. what use is that to anyone with colour blindness/poor vision. try feeding any single page of the new shite ( oops type put 'shite' instead of site .. ) through validator @ w3c and laugh at the error output ... kilobytes of it. and if it decides it doesn;t like your browser it won;t even let you in! .. never mind that it might not display correctly .. it simply wont let you in full stop. pile of crap. this is supposed to be a government info site .. not some web designers multimedia experience .. the first priority should be making the information available THEN making it animated etc .. its feck all use if I cant actually even get onto the site to use it. I complained to the UK Online helpdesk .. they deny all responsiblity for the thing .. but can give you helpdesk contacts for the 3 government agencies contained within the 'government gateway' site .. of course they deny all responsiblity for it as well... -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:26:40PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: I tend not to pay much attention to conspiracy theories. Me neither. http://linuxtoday.com/imgs/microsoft/gateway-microsoft-rationale-statement.pdf -- This process can check if this value is zero, and if it is, it does something child-like. -- Forbes Burkowski, CS 454, University of Washington
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:10:38PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I complained to the UK Online helpdesk .. they deny all responsiblity for the thing .. but can give you helpdesk contacts for the 3 government agencies contained within the 'government gateway' site .. of course they deny all responsiblity for it as well... Are these e-mail addresses? If so, does it make it possible to forward all 4 denials in 1 message To: all four and ask for one joined up government answer? Nicholas Clark
Re: Pubs - a serious investigation
On Fri, Jun 08, 2001 at 05:46:33PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: o The Doggetts Coat and Arms (by the river) It has to be said, Doggetts is a fine, fine pub. Plenty of room, not-too-loud music, nice beer... and fairly convenient for most people. Alex -- Four pints of milk, a turkey baster and some plastic tubing, that's all you need. http://www.cpio.org/~grimoire http://www.livejournal.com/users/diffrentcolours
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:59:48PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: Are these e-mail addresses? If so, does it make it possible to forward all 4 denials in 1 message To: all four and ask for one joined up government answer? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19340.html says the man to talk to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've just asked him whether he thinks restricting access to IE and NS only (hence cutting off speech browsers for the blind) constitutes discrimination against the disabled. :) -- Britain has football hooligans, Germany has neo-Nazis, and France has farmers. -The Times
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, 09 Jun 2001, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:10:38PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I complained to the UK Online helpdesk .. they deny all responsiblity for the thing .. but can give you helpdesk contacts for the 3 government agencies contained within the 'government gateway' site .. of course they deny all responsiblity for it as well... Are these e-mail addresses? If so, does it make it possible to forward all 4 denials in 1 message To: all four and ask for one joined up government answer? dunno .. try if you like ... ### From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Government Gateway is a Government website but is an external site to UKonline. It has been produced by a different department and therefore any technical difficulties in accessing the site should be directed at their helpdesk who will be able to provide an answer to your enquiry.. There are currently three services available on the Government Gateway. Each of the Government departments handling online services has its own Help Desk. These are the only contact details on the Government Gateway web site.. The numbers of these are listed below. Choose the number for one of the services you are enrolled for (or intending to enrol for). If you are an individual and having problems registering for Electronic VAT return Phone 01702 367930. If you are a farmer and having problems registering for MAFF IACS Area Aid Application Phone 0845 6013482 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are an organisation and having problems registering for PAYE End of Year Returns for Employers and Agents Phone 0845 6055999 or E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Conway's academic paper generator
Anyone got a link to this? Ta, Dave
Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:56:20AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know about you, but I'm *definitely* fat. Big boned. Nope. BBH, Big Beautiful Hacker? Paul -- Abandon normal instruments
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:59:48PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: Are these e-mail addresses? If so, does it make it possible to forward all 4 denials in 1 message To: all four and ask for one joined up government answer? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19340.html says the man to talk to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've just asked him whether he thinks restricting access to IE and NS only (hence cutting off speech browsers for the blind) constitutes discrimination against the disabled. :) Precisely. And using Java et al is a discrimination against the mobility impaired. /J\
Re: London.pm posting stats
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 10:03:29AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: * David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You know, I've been meaning to ask... Why in the world would you *want* to take over NY.pm??? Because you've lost your way, there was a time that no one would ever have to ask questions such as ... Hmmm, is talking about beer off-topic or on-topic here? - John Kominetz, 8/6/2001 He's new. :-) Where did you go wrong? It used to be that London.pm could regard NY.pm as its sister group (i would say brother, but you could never handle your booze) shining brightly in the dark sky of Perl Monger groups that talked about Perl. Whats next, NY.pm the educational cooperative? *shudder* Well, that certainly won't happen while *I'm* in charge. I'm *much* too lazy to organize something like that... :-) -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ _Day of Wrath_ is probably Dreyer's most popular film, which already indicates something of the problems it poses. - David Bordwell, The Films of Carl-Theodor Dreyer
Re: London.pm posting stats
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Philip Newton wrote: Paul Makepeace wrote on Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2001 13:27: Greg McCarroll: 1546 ** Dave Cross: 762 Jonathan Stowe: 729 *** Robin Szemeti: 586 ** David Cantrell: 563 ** Paul Makepeace: 504 Leon Brocard: 459 ** Piers Cawley: 378 David H. Adler: 365 *** Simon Wistow: 355 *** Philip Newton: 331 ** Well, I just barely missed being in the Top 10... I didn't think I wrote *that* much. Horrors. Well based on another totally unscientific sample you did :) Greg McCarroll (426) ** Dave Cross (247) Robin Szemeti (237) *** David Cantrell (235) *** Paul Makepeace (197) *** Jonathan Stowe (192) *** Dave Hodgkinson(170) * Philip Newton (162) Piers Cawley (148) ** Dominic Mitchell (134) * /J\
Re: London.pm posting stats
Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well based on another totally unscientific sample you did :) And how about a signal/noise bias? ;-) -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: London.pm posting stats
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:10:53PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: And how about a signal/noise bias? ;-) The noise *is* signal. -- I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's fashions. -- Lillian Hellman
Re: London.pm posting stats
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:57:52PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:10:53PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: And how about a signal/noise bias? ;-) The noise *is* signal. I'll have what he's drinking. -- Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: London.pm posting stats
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:57:52PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:10:53PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: And how about a signal/noise bias? ;-) The noise *is* signal. It's signal, Jim, but not as we know it. Paul -- Destroy nothing; Destroy the most important thing
