Re: Decompression
-Original Message- From: Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Umm, *strokes beard* by archive you mean tar file, right? If so then Archive::Tar looks likely, and it even automagically deals with .gz This does exactly what I wanted, a pint is yours at the next meeting! files via Compress::Zlib (or so it says in the readme) It does as well, this should save a lot of grief. No non-core modules though? Can't you just create a local lib path with Archive::Tar in it and say you didn't cheat? If I can't get the module on the server then I guess I'll have to be inventive and just add the whole module to my script ;) And now back to your scheduled Buffy discussion. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?
-Original Message-From: Barry Pretsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm interested to know if anyone uses Safari to read O'Reilly books online. http://safari1.oreilly.com/tablhom.asp?home It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari subscribers out there with an opinion? I've not started using it yet but I'll admit to being very tempted on a couple of occasions (When I need the cookbook and my CD's at home mostly) the only real thing putting me off is the need to be constantly on-line. I do a lot of my work on my laptop with no network connections so I don't get distracted by things like e-mail and I'd like a local copy, you could write a slow crawler to make up for this but that sorta breaks the spirit of it and I imagine Nat not being too happy with me ;) I was impressed by the Manning way of letting me download a PDF of the book, it makes my life easier since I can use it off line. On the other hand I thought Manning would have released their back catalogue in ebook as well as they have a very limited selection at the moment. I suppose the issue with books as PDF is that it leaves you wide open to rampant copying... Although you could slow crawl safari and zip 'em up. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: pc components
-Original Message- From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days awaiting credit card clearance and two days awaiting despatch. It *is* in stock, it's just taking them four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it. If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a Saturday, you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending lately its getting easier to haggle the price down. And afterwards you can come to one of the almost weekly geek meets in a nearby pub. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: pc components
-Original Message- From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 14:48 17/05/01 +0100, Dean wrote: If your in London then forget mail order and go to TCR on a Saturday, you get to take home what you pay for and with the drop in spending lately its getting easier to haggle the price down. Are you refering to the 'computer fair' or just TCR in general? Both to a degree. From the shops I've been in recently it seems that they are more willing to drop the price a bit than see you go to one of the fairs. For once the consumers the winner. The fairs do a more mixed selection of stuff than the shops do, where you go depends on what your looking for. Also, if any London person is unaware of it, the shop CEX (Computer EXchange) on TCR (just north of Goddge St Stn) sells excellent 2nd hand hardware, are very knowledgeable, will accept returns with no hassle, and have never let me down etc etc etc. And they do a nice selection of cheep DVD's. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: see attachment
-Original Message- From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Of course we could make a cyberpunk movie instead, now let me thing about it Someone please employ Mr Mccarroll. My mail box can't cope with him having this much spare time. ;) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: Job: I'm looking for one..
Original Message- From: Simon Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:02:48PM +0100, alex wrote: ps the big killer is that there is no large corporate generating tons of noise about Perl - whereas this is not the case for Java. Wait until TPC. Ahh come on! We need more than that! :) Where are all the things like Perl advocacy, PR, Business Awareness and non-technical expansion plans for the language discussed? Dean -- Perl coder in a sea of PHP.
Re: RPC stuff
-Original Message- From: Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the best way forward for RPC / distributed Perl stuff? I don't need anything super complicated, but RPC::Simple seems to want to use Tk ?! XML-RPC and SOAP are both interesting at the mo. Homepage http://www.xmlrpc.org/ XML-RPC perl tutorial. http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/ws-xpc1/?dwzone=ws SOAP::Lite tutorial. http://home.cnet.com/webbuilding/0-7704-8-4874769-1.html Although neither are really my field. Dean (Must stay on topic...) -- Perl Coder SecTech E-mail troll Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: de-dupe a filesystem
-Original Message- From: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anyone got anything to hand that will spot massive duplications in a filesystem? I've got a whole bunch of servers mirrored to a backup server and it's be nice to identify where entire file trees have been replicated... You could run diff on the checksum files that tripwire makes. You do tripwire your servers don't you? ;) This came up on a list recently, I've never used it but it seems to fit your problem. It looks like a trial version is available http://www.veracity.com/apps_compremote.shtml HTH Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: Perl Books
-Original Message- From: Elaine -HFB- Ashton [EMAIL PROTECTED] anyone other than Webheads have better things to do than learn CGI. It doesn't make them stupid, in fact, I'd almost argue that they are the bright ones. Amen. Which is probably about 95% of the planet. Why should they care if the Perl is shoddy? The web page works :) I can see your point and I agree that a tiny initial learning curve is a good thing but what happens when the shoddy bit of cgi is used to execute an intrusion on the host it's based on or another machine?. The coder has a responsibility to make sure that his work at least pays some attention to security. And if the book doesn't cover use warnings or use strict I doubt taint mode is in the contents. If you thought Simons Buffy joke was bad have a look at this, you want the Tainted Perl section... http://www.spy.org.uk/london2600/party-2000.htm Dean (Packing for Belgium so not at tonight's meeting) -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: Perl Books
-Original Message- From: Benjamin Holzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] True, but there aren't many people who will assume that they can perform brain surgery just because they successfully applied a band-aid to a paper cut the week before. You haven't been to the NHS recently have you... ;) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
London Community News 30/01/00
Welcome to the first post of the London Community News. The LCN is a fortnightly (Or so) e-mail that contains a brief summary of the London based open source community groups and their activities for the month ahead and any major open-source events. If you have any suggestions for the mail or know of a group that you'd like to get added to this please drop me a note at [EMAIL PROTECTED] The User Groups: --- London Perl Mongers Home Page: http://www.london.pm.org Contact Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are a group who are dedicated to the encouragement of all things Perl-like in London. Its a busy month this month for the London PMer's, in addition to the monthly meeting on the 1st of February (http://london.pm.org/WhatDo.shtml) with guests Mark Jason Dominus (Perl luminary) and Beginning Perl author Simon Cozens there is the bi-monthly technical meeting featuring Matt Sergeant of axkit fame (http://www.axkit.org/) on Thursday 22nd February and on the 26th of February Damian Conway, author of Object Orientated Perl and the slave of Perl mongers everywhere (http://yetanother.org/damian/) will be in London to say hi and scare people with his Quantum::Superpositions module. --- Lonix Home Page: http://www.lonix.org.uk/ Contact Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The aim of Lonix is quite straightforward although it comprises of many points. The overall aim is to unite many Linux individuals in and around London. Below is a list of aims, but you as a member may not agree to all of them. (Hopefully at least one!) Meet like minded individuals to share ideas and discuss opinions. To provide a Linux force in London to persuade the industry to opt for a more Linux friendly approach to their services and products. To assist users with problems, providing advice and physical help. Linux advocacy For details of the monthly meetings you can look here: http://www.lonix.org.uk/Meetings.html This months Lonix is to be held on the 1st of February. Details of the location have not yet been confirmed but can be found at http://www.lonix.org.uk/Meetings.html nearer the date. --- GLLUG Home Page: http://gllug.linux.co.uk/ Greater London Linux User Group's (GLLUG) purpose is to bring together London's Linux users so they can share experiences and expertise (or revel in their inexperience and quest for expertise), to chat about the state of the (Linux) world, that sort of thing. We try to arrange meets so that there is space for users to set up their equipment, so you are welcome to bring your kit along, either to go through the problems you are having or just to show off what you are up to. There are no formalities to attending a GLLUG meeting, no subscription or entry fees, you can just turn up on the day. We welcome and encourage new and inexperienced users, young and old. Due to the high turnout GLLUG meetings are less frequent than the other user groups, you can get notification of the next meeting either on the home page or through this mail :) --- SAGE-WISE Home Page: http://www.sage-wise.org/ Map: http://www.sage-wise.org/lecture/directions.html SAGE-WISE is the System Administrators Guild for Wales, Ireland, Scotland and England, hence the "-WISE" suffix. Our aim is to form a professional association for system administrators in the UK and Ireland. But what is a system administrator? Professional system administrators, however, often look after large numbers of computers and networks - they are the people who keep the systems running, repair faulty discs, install and debug new software, upgrade existing systems, and generally take care of the computing resources needed for their users to perform their tasks effectively. A shorter definition is "A system administrator is one who manages computers not solely for his or her own use". If you know the joys and frustrations of this then feel free to come and visit one of our meetings. This months SAGE-WISE meeting is on Tuesday 13th February and is held at the Eisai Lounge, University College London, LONDON WC1. (Directions and a map are available from the homepage.) The host of this months discussion is James Hobson (Server-Side J2EE developer and Linux guru) leading a BoF (informal discussion) entitled The Battle of the Scripting Languages a BoF (informal discussion) covering the various scripting languages available for web-page generation (jsp, asp, perl, etc.). Outside London Events: --- This month sees the Open Source Free Software Developers' Meeting (http://www.osdem.org) on February 3-4 in Brussels, Belgium. Among the speakers are Fydor, creator of Nmap (www.insecure.org), Renaud Deraison (Nessus), Richard Stallman (FSF), Werner Koch (GnuPG), Jeremy Allison (Samba), Philippe Biondi (LIDS and kernel security), Rasterman (Enlightenment), and Wichert Ackerman (Debian). A delegation may be leaving from London comprising of GLLUG and Lonix members so if your interested in
Re: odd -w effect
-Original Message- From: Robert Shiels [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jon, who thinks Windows workstation connected to *nix machine running samba is the prefered development environment. Strangely enough, thats exactly what I do at home. With Exceed for doing X stuff. If you've got a nice meaty box at home then run Linux with NT in vmware, you get a very nice system that way. You have a two machine subnet for clean network testing that can be firewalled off at the Linux host os, you can use procmail to check for vbs viri and then use outlook and IE for web browsing. Its how I used to do 95% of my work. Well until my motherboard started frying harddrives... Dean PS Running Linux in VMWare on NT works fine as well but its sick :) -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: odd -w effect
Original Message- From: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Must remember to try IE under WINE. Don't bother. It doesn't work. I've seen IE5 running under wine on Debian. The machine did have a 98 partition though so he might have been using the libraries from there, is that cheating? :) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Perl Books
I was having a look at the perl book reviews on Amazon (Yes boycott, yes they have good reviews) when I came across this Proceedings of the Perl Conference 4.0 http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0596000138/qid=980264576/sr=1 -62/202-4272860-9199824 I didn't get to go to that conference so can anyone who did go and knows anything about this tell me if it contains details on the talks and similar? Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 11:08:41AM +, alex wrote: In my opinion London would be fine for an August conference. I don't know what the fuss is about, really. London is not like Paris in the summer. We have a lot more parks. Perhaps September would be better, but hey. I could go with September, if you go for before August the start of July has a selection of stuff already in planning: The summer Linux Developers' Conference Fri 29th June to Sun 1st July. Linux Expo Weds 4th - Thurs 5th July in London. LinuxTag Stuttgart (Germany) 5th-8th July 2001. Also there is going to be a UKLISA in the second half of this year but I'm not too sure of dates. HTH Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: one liner
-Original Message- From: Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dean S Wilson writes: Has anyone tried Linux glade recently? Is it stable with perl yet? The TPJ that's stalled at the printers has a fantuckingfastic article on getting started with Glade and Perl/Gtk. I now hate you. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: one liner
-Original Message- From: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greg are you trolling? If so let me play ;) the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language is the projects that are achieved using it and java has a hell of a lot more cool projects than perl What are these mysterious cool java projects that no-one's been telling me about? Fortay's a good example. A Java IDE written in Java, and under Linux it's pretty quick even on 64 MB ram. IBM developerworks and Alphaworks have tftp and dhcp servers in Java. I wouldn't run them though :) I think the best thing people can do for the language is create good things and modules and whatever using it. I agree but I also think that this is one of the problems, the only people who see the modules are other perl coders. I'm not saying that modules are a bad thing or a waste of effort, I'd hate to think about writing the code for half of the modules I use on a regular basis but the only people who really understand and use them are perl coders, people who know that perl is good. I think Greg means making something a little more visible, How many netusers see the powered by python logo on mailman each day? Whats our answer to that? Slashcode? Plying devils advocate is fun. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: one liner
-Original Message- From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ok, we are not (void) but we are pretty close so here is a one liner that hopefully will provote discussion I left (void) and you'l not take me back alive! Outlook canne take the strain! the only thing that gives potential for the marketing of a language is the projects that are achieved using it and java has a hell of a lot more cool projects than perl I think that marketing is the key term in this mail. Java has a good marketing team and is being taught in universities at the moment, nothing better than having a lot of fresh faced advocates being spawned at the end of each term. Dean (Playing both sides in this one) -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Damian's webpage.
Don't know how many of you have seen this: http://yetanother.org/damian/diary_January_2001.html#day_4 Made me chuckle. Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition
-Original Message- From: Natalie Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 28 December 2000 18:54 Subject: Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition The problem being that I think they should include both and there is noway of voting for both! :-) I'd agree with both for more money. And they might as well add the DBI book, it was light enough to be added at very little cost :) ReviewGood book and very well written but too light techwise, a bundle of FULL examples with different databases would have made it better IMHO /Review Now that the cd bookshelves are taking off it might be time for ORA to get a policy in place for upgrades, I'd rather pay 10-15 to upgrade my perl and Unix CD first edition and miss out on the included book than have to shell out for both of them at full price again. Might send that in to "ask Tim" as it goes... Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
Re: Perl CD BookShelf 2nd Edition
Original Message- From: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] get a policy in place for upgrades, I'd rather pay 10-15 to upgrade my perl and Unix CD first edition and miss out on the included book than have to shell out for both of them at full price again. Might send that in to "ask Tim" as it goes... Or wait for our resident O'Reilly editor to pick up on it... Good point! I just found this in the Ask Tim Archives. looks like plans have been laid... -Quote Of course, CD Bookshelf products and ematter versions of some titles are only two of many experiments we're running in an attempt to build up business models for online books. We will be selling online access to individual books and collections of books on a subscription basis starting next year. And I imagine that we'll figure out some way of giving a discount to people who've previously bought books. (It's a good argument for product registration for books, so we know who's bought them, and can make these kind of offers.) Quote Be interesting to see how they deal with it, and maybe we can start getting bulk discounts :) Dean -- Profanity is the one language all programmers understand. --- Anon
