Re: Sony Clie (was Re: Social meet)
- Original Message - From: Neil Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] I would strongly suggest you check out the Palm M500/505 as they come in the lovely Palm V form factor but have an expansion slot (taking both Secure Digital and Multimedia cards) http://www.palm.com/products/accessories/expansioncards/ Thanks Neil, as the M505 isn't available yet, I actually went for the M500. It's pretty good, and I've just gotten IR syncing working to my Vaio so I don't need to carry the cradle around with me. I've used a quarter of a full charge today already though, which isn't very impressive, my Palm III used to last ages on a couple of AAs, and I wouldn't have dreamt of needing new batteries on a 2 week holiday. /Robert
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: their Memory Stick is a closed book. Fine with me. Then maybe we'll get decent short range wireless data exchange with good authentication and encryption. and the problem with Lucent Orinoco ( + RC128 ) is? its totally insecure Although most 802.11 equipment is designed to disregard encrypted content for which it does not have the key, we have been able to successfully intercept WEP-encrypted transmissions by changing the configuration of the drivers. http://www.isaac.cs.berkeley.edu/isaac/wep-faq.html -- 1024/D9C69DF9 steve mynott [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you were inclined to lose your mind, you could stay on the internet all day.
Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:45:09AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA. Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop, or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138. Has anybody got the USB syncing thing to work under Linux/BSD? I tried coldsync, but unfortunately, the USB protocol that sony use appears to be completely different to the visor one that it supports. :-( -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On 07/06/2001 at 10:45 +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA. Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop, or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138. When this came up on IRC I asked at Micro Anvika who wanted 240 ukp inc vat for the basic package (8MB onboard, 8MB memory stick, etc). Mark Fowler paid about the same, but after haggling his way up and down the street, so I'd just cut the hassle and go there. Mind you, I'm no good at the haggling thing, so YMMV. -- :: paul :: 'this incredibly cool hands-on :: bongo drum thing isn't easy.' dadadodo
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On Thu, 7 Jun 2001 10:59:32 +0100 Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/06/2001 at 10:45 +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA. Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop, or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138. When this came up on IRC I asked at Micro Anvika who wanted 240 ukp inc vat for the basic package (8MB onboard, 8MB memory stick, etc). Mark Fowler paid about the same, but after haggling his way up and down the street, so I'd just cut the hassle and go there. Mind you, I'm no good at the haggling thing, so YMMV. On a roughly related note, can anyone recommend somewhere to look for the following. 1) Laptop screen repairs. We have had the backlight go on a gateway at work that is out of warrantee. 2) Cheep low end laptops. Basically don't need anything with a lot of zoom, just want to put linux on it to relieve train boredom. So my only real want is reasonably standard kit inside and battery life. -- Tony Kennick TechnoPhobia Limited. Phone: +44 (0)114 2212123 Fax: +44 (0)114 2212124 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.technophobia.com Registered in England and Wales Company No. 3063669 VAT registration No. 598 7858 42 The contents of this e-mail are confidential to the addressee and are intended solely for the recipients use. If you are not the addressee, you have received this e-mail in error. Any disclosure, copying, distribution or action taken in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any opinions expressed in this e-mail are those of the author personally and not TechnoPhobia Limited who do not accept responsibility for the contents of the message. All e-mail communications, in and out of TechnoPhobia, are recorded for monitoring purposes.
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 June 2001 10:44 Subject: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet) On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:45:09AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA. Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop, or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138. Has anybody got the USB syncing thing to work under Linux/BSD? I tried coldsync, but unfortunately, the USB protocol that sony use appears to be completely different to the visor one that it supports. :-( I did some reading on this, and you are of course right. The Sony machine has a serial interface, with some kind of USB conversion. Therefore you only get serial speed from the sync, but you don't have to mess about with serial ports and IRQs and stuff. I suppose I should get a PalmV, but I like Sony stuff so much, and it does have the memory stick expansion slot. /Robert
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:10:48AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:45:09AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA. Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop, or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138. Has anybody got the USB syncing thing to work under Linux/BSD? I tried coldsync, but unfortunately, the USB protocol that sony use appears to be completely different to the visor one that it supports. :-( I did some reading on this, and you are of course right. The Sony machine has a serial interface, with some kind of USB conversion. Therefore you only get serial speed from the sync, but you don't have to mess about with serial ports and IRQs and stuff. I suppose I should get a PalmV, but I like Sony stuff so much, and it does have the memory stick expansion slot. I've got a sony laptop with a builtin memory stick slot, so it's not the end of the world, but it would be very handy to sync to my Linux box as well... I tried looking up developer docs for the clie on the web, but there's a a dearth of information about it, and what there is is protected by sony's restrictive licensing. It's a real shame, I wanted to add jog dial support to a doc reader, but I'm probably not going to be able to now. :-( Sony: Lovely kit, crap support. -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
From: Paul Mison [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 07/06/2001 at 10:45 +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA. Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop, or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138. When this came up on IRC I asked at Micro Anvika who wanted 240 ukp inc vat for the basic package (8MB onboard, 8MB memory stick, etc). Mark Fowler paid about the same, but after haggling his way up and down the street, so I'd just cut the hassle and go there. PCWorld were doing it for 249gbp, so I suppose 240gbp will save me a bit. Thanks everyone, it's nice to know in advance the kind of price to expect. I'm crap at haggling too. scan.co.uk btw will charge me £252.63, (includes 10pp). Not very good if they can't undercut PCWorld. /Robert
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Tony Kennick wrote: On a roughly related note, can anyone recommend somewhere to look for the following. 1) Laptop screen repairs. We have had the backlight go on a gateway at work that is out of warrantee. SKA system engineering ..purveyors of all manner of laptop spares 01582 477970 ..did me a backlight invertor for a toshiba for 10 quid and a new Li battery for 65 .. the invertors usually plug in easy enough once you get the case apart. 2) Cheep low end laptops. Basically don't need anything with a lot of zoom, just want to put linux on it to relieve train boredom. So my only real want is reasonably standard kit inside and battery life. www.laptopshop.co.uk or just buy a nice new Dell ;) ... -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:12:23AM +0100, Tony Kennick wrote: On a roughly related note, can anyone recommend somewhere to look for the following. 2) Cheep low end laptops. Basically don't need anything with a lot of zoom, just want to put linux on it to relieve train boredom. So my only real want is reasonably standard kit inside and battery life. Morgans, New Oxford St. They have a webshite too, but I disremember the address. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Good advice is always certain to be ignored, but that's no reason not to give it-- Agatha Christie
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Tony Kennick wrote: 2) Cheep low end laptops. Basically don't need anything with a lot of zoom, just want to put linux on it to relieve train boredom. So my only real want is reasonably standard kit inside and battery life. and .. crap web page .. but... http://www.sterlingxs.co.uk/system/index.html -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote: I tried looking up developer docs for the clie on the web, but there's a a dearth of information about it, and what there is is protected by sony's restrictive licensing. It's a real shame, I wanted to add jog dial support to a doc reader, but I'm probably not going to be able to now. :-( Sony: Lovely kit, crap support. their Memory Stick is a closed book. bastards. they only release documentation to their partners after big bucks licences .. so any chance of seeing memory stick support natively under linux is probably going to be from someone with a copy of IDA pro and Softice reversing the windoze drivers. I just dont get why they wont release specs .. surel;y the plan is to sell as many memory sticks as possible? ..or hav I missed someting? -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On or about Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:40:20AM +0100, Robin Szemeti typed: I just dont get why they wont release specs .. surel;y the plan is to sell as many memory sticks as possible? ..or hav I missed someting? Yup. The plan is (a) not to get kicked out of bed by MS and (b) not to have cheap memory-stick-compatible devices (cf Apple clones). R
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:40:20AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote: I tried looking up developer docs for the clie on the web, but there's a a dearth of information about it, and what there is is protected by sony's restrictive licensing. It's a real shame, I wanted to add jog dial support to a doc reader, but I'm probably not going to be able to now. :-( Sony: Lovely kit, crap support. their Memory Stick is a closed book. bastards. they only release documentation to their partners after big bucks licences .. so any chance of seeing memory stick support natively under linux is probably going to be from someone with a copy of IDA pro and Softice reversing the windoze drivers. Well, the memory stick works just fine (at least under FreeBSD). It just appears as a SCSI-over-USB device (and I'll wager that's how it's implemented in the clie as well). I suppose that the PCMCIA memory stick reader does something totally different? I just dont get why they wont release specs .. surel;y the plan is to sell as many memory sticks as possible? ..or hav I missed someting? Pass. Withholding developer information to *anything* seems nuts to me. F'rinstance, I'd love the jog dial to work on my laptop, too... -Dom -- | Semantico: creators of major online resources | | URL: http://www.semantico.com/ | | Tel: +44 (1273) 72 | | Address: 33 Bond St., Brighton, Sussex, BN1 1RD, UK. |
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote: Well, the memory stick works just fine (at least under FreeBSD). It just appears as a SCSI-over-USB device (and I'll wager that's how it's implemented in the clie as well). I suppose that the PCMCIA memory stick reader does something totally different? kewl .. thats a step forward from he situation a while ago .. excellenty I just dont get why they wont release specs .. surel;y the plan is to sell as many memory sticks as possible? ..or hav I missed someting? Pass. Withholding developer information to *anything* seems nuts to me. ideedy .. do they really think that by withholding info they will stop people cloning things ? arsewipes the lot of em. as any fule kno there is precious little that you cant do with some strong acids and an electron microscope .. anything is possible. F'rinstance, I'd love the jog dial to work on my laptop, too... and if you could make the 'stop play FF REW' buttons on my inspiron accessible to something linuxy on my Inspiron I'd be pleased too. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
On Thu, 07 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: their Memory Stick is a closed book. Fine with me. Then maybe we'll get decent short range wireless data exchange with good authentication and encryption. and the problem with Lucent Orinoco ( + RC128 ) is? actually I was keen on using the memory stick for data capture in a datlogger I;d been working on .. but it lokkslike im stuck with either SmartMedia or CompctFlash ... prolly compact flash as it mounts as a plain IDE device. -- Robin Szemeti Redpoint Consulting Limited Real Solutions For A Virtual World
Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)
From: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sony: Lovely kit, crap support. Has anyone seen http://www.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/ /me drools. /Robert
Sony Clie (was Re: Social meet)
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 10:45:09AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] i'm 07957 386 815 i'm also going to be free this afternoon after about 2 ish (ill switch the phone on then) so if anyone wants to meet up before the meeting give me a bell Between 5 and 6pm I'll be wandering up and down TCR looking for a new PDA. Sony Clie is my preferred choice at the moment. If anyone knows a good shop, or is good at haggling and wants to help, I'm on 07801 814138. /Robert I would strongly suggest you check out the Palm M500/505 as they come in the lovely Palm V form factor but have an expansion slot (taking both Secure Digital and Multimedia cards) http://www.palm.com/products/accessories/expansioncards/ or alternatively the Handera (formerly TRG) 330, which uses the Palm III form factor, supports existing Palm III peripherals but has both a Compact Flash and a SD slot for expansion! http://www.handera.com/ Oh yeah, and it's got a real speaker :-) Neil. -- Neil C. Ford Managing Director, Yet Another Computer Solutions Company Limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.yacsc.com
