London.pm List Weekly Summary 2002-06-17

[Chris Ball]

This is the (mumble+5)th summary of the London Perlmongers mailing list
for the week beginning 2002-06-17, covering 98 messages in 22 threads.

 The 18th July tech meet is still yet to have an official organiser.  
 We have some talks offered, though:

o  Paul Makepeace:  "A comparative introduction to Python".
o  Leon Brocard:"CPAN modules I love and CPAN modules I hate".
o  Paul Mison:  (un-named)[1].
o  Chris Ball:  "Magicpoint:  A meta-presentation"[2].

 Any other offers for either talks or organisation?  Any comments on
 which talks you'd most like to hear?

http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020617/020676.html

 We had an emergency social meet at the Pillars of Hercules on the 18th
 June, which was fun.  It's quite small, but the landlord didn't want to
 give us the whole pub because we can't guarantee enough people; he'll
 save space for ~25, though.  We decided not to go there for the main
 social meets, and go with the Cittie of Yorke again, instead.  The next
 social meet is scheduled for the 4th July.

http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020617/020672.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020617/020676.html

 Jarkko announced the release of Perl 5.8.0-RC2, and asked for testing.

http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020617/020725.html

 Murray posted a precis of Tim Bunce's manchester.pm talk on DBI, and
 announced his personal highlights of:
   - wrap DBI calls in eval {...} for smart error handling.
 http://dbi.perl.org/doc/conferences/tim_1999/19.html
   - in built tracing
 http://dbi.perl.org/doc/conferences/tim_1999/14.html
   - in built database connection caching
 http://dbi.perl.org/doc/conferences/tim_1999/35.html

 Leon added that DBI::PurePerl and DBI::Profile are interesting, and
 gave example usage of DBI::Profile.

http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020617/020666.html
http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020617/020670.html

 Dave Cross posted his review of _Running Weblogs with Slash_.

http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20020617/020735.html

 On the jobs front, CentralNIC and the BBC are both looking for Perl
 developers.

http://www.centralnic.com/page.php?cid=36
http://www.bbc.co.uk/jobs/e55925.shtml

 In other news:  Greg thinks we're all muppets, and YAPC is getting
 underway in St. Louis.

 My wrists hurt.  If anyone knows where I could get hold of a keyboard
 for a Vaio PCG-505e, please let me know.  :)

 Until next week,

 - Chris.

[1]:  Paul didn't say what talk:  "there's a talk I could do, too"
[2]:  Yes, I'll think of a less pretentious title.  Maybe.
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Re: advocacy

[Tom Hukins]

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 06:41:02PM +0100, Andy Wardley wrote:
> 
> Life is a journey, not a destination.  
> 
> London.pm doubly so.

So London.pm is a return journey?

Tom

Re: advocacy

[Andy Wardley]

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 05:32:32PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
> Thus, I surrendered in despair.

Life is a journey, not a destination.  

London.pm doubly so.

A

ObPerlAdvocacy: http://www.mag-sol.com/talks/advocacy.html

Re: advocacy

[Jonathan Peterson]

>>>was more adult, and I still haven't read the final volume.  To veer this
>>>towards on-topic, anyone ever read Skallagrigg by William Horwood?
>>
>>I surrender. And the topic is actually 'advocacy', just to add insult to
>>injury. :-0
> 
> 
> Sorry?

I started from the (possibly erroneous) assumption that this was in some 
way a perl list. I assumed rashly that the topic 'advocacy' was not 
dedicated to the discussion of advocacy per se as a field of human 
endeavour. Rather, I assumed we would be talking about advocating some 
particular thing in the world. This thing, in my sadly deluded mind, I 
took to be 'perl'.

So it was, I expected a perl advocacy thread.

Imagine my delight and surprise at finding that instead we were 
discussing how to disguise a fox as an otter, and the relevance of this 
to children's literature.

My poor brain cannot see how "Skallagrigg by William Horwood" is more 
(or, to be fair, less) relevant to perl advocacy than Duncton Whatever 
and its fox-like proto-otters.

Thus, I surrendered in despair.

Doubtless I'll be told that we were actually discussing advocacy of 
anthropomorphic children's books, but there you go. Such is the mystery 
of london.pm.org.

Hey ho!


-- 
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: advocacy

[Lucy McWilliam]

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

> > was more adult, and I still haven't read the final volume.  To veer this
> > towards on-topic, anyone ever read Skallagrigg by William Horwood?
>
> I surrender. And the topic is actually 'advocacy', just to add insult to
> injury. :-0

Sorry?


L.

The Anchor, was Re: advocacy

[Mark Fowler]

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Jonathan Peterson wrote:

> Anyone been to the 'new' part of the Anchor, BTW??

Yes, we had a Perl Mongers meeting there.  Do try and keep up dear boy.

Conclusion: New bit upstairs okay (but they try to throw you out of it 
*way* to early,) new bit outside great - you can see the river and 
everything.  New bit downstairs is a great big pile of poo.

Later.

Mark.

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Re: advocacy

[Jonathan Peterson]

> was more adult, and I still haven't read the final volume.  To veer this
> towards on-topic, anyone ever read Skallagrigg by William Horwood?
> 

I surrender. And the topic is actually 'advocacy', just to add insult to 
injury. :-0

Anyone been to the 'new' part of the Anchor, BTW??

JP


-- 
Jonathan Peterson
Technical Manager, Unified Ltd, +44 (0)20 7383 6092
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: advocacy

[Lucy McWilliam]

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Simon Wistow wrote:

> > This very morning I was reading about an otter disguising itself as a fox.
> > Unfortunately not pop science, but kiddie fantasy by Brian Jacques.  It
> > keeps me occupied till JK finishes the next HP book.
>
> Would that be Mossflower then?
>
> I loved Mossflower and Redwall and all that jazz. Much better than the
> Duncton Found series which all my mates back then (when I was but a
> young un) were into.

It would.  My colleague's daughter was in the lab over half term looking
at the website and reminded me I have the boxset at home.  Brian
Jacques came to visit our school many years ago.  I still remember
him talking about stickatitability, which is a fantastic word.  Duncton
was more adult, and I still haven't read the final volume.  To veer this
towards on-topic, anyone ever read Skallagrigg by William Horwood?


L.
I sink therefore I swim.

Re: advocacy

[Simon Wistow]

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 03:09:19PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam said:
> This very morning I was reading about an otter disguising itself as a fox.
> Unfortunately not pop science, but kiddie fantasy by Brian Jacques.  It
> keeps me occupied till JK finishes the next HP book.

Would that be Mossflower then?

I loved Mossflower and Redwall and all that jazz. Much better than the
Duncton Found series which all my mates back then (when I was but a
young un) were into.


-- 
: as a language, it looks like rows of disciplined insects

Re: advocacy

[Lucy McWilliam]

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Andrew Bowman wrote:

> > What about prestigious universities, and crucial science tools?
> Lucy, do you know anyone that's involved with a prestigious university? ;-)

FSVO prestigious.  This is my third, anyway.


L.
The internet is powered by banana milkshake.

RE: Re: advocacy

[David . Neal]

Wouldn't a fox with a tail stuck on it just be a fox with a long 
strippy red and white tail, twice as long as  never mind, I'll get 
back to me lurkin.

D

-Original Message-
From: leo 
Sent: 24 June 2002 15:01
To: london.pm
Cc: leo
Subject: Re: advocacy


On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 02:47:36PM +0100, Andy Wardley wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 02:44:50PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> > I know this has been tried before but this is for a cunning plan.
> 
> A plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel?

I would like to object at this juncture...

Or rather raise a query...

What about a fox with a tail stuck on it ? I'm sure that would be
far more cunning!

L(eo)





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Re: advocacy

[Lucy McWilliam]

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Leo Lapworth wrote:

> > > I know this has been tried before but this is for a cunning plan.
> >
> > A plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel?
>
> What about a fox with a tail stuck on it ? I'm sure that would be
> far more cunning!

This very morning I was reading about an otter disguising itself as a fox.
Unfortunately not pop science, but kiddie fantasy by Brian Jacques.  It
keeps me occupied till JK finishes the next HP book.


L.
Mean anorakam amo.

Re: advocacy

[Leo Lapworth]

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 02:47:36PM +0100, Andy Wardley wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 02:44:50PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> > I know this has been tried before but this is for a cunning plan.
> 
> A plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel?

I would like to object at this juncture...

Or rather raise a query...

What about a fox with a tail stuck on it ? I'm sure that would be
far more cunning!

L(eo)

Re: advocacy

[Andrew Bowman]

From: "Lucy McWilliam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > The list has 286 regular and 32 digested members including (but not
> > limited to) people from such diverse companies as the beeb, eidos,
> > blackstar, thomson holidays, EMI music, Emap and motorola.
> 
> What about prestigious universities, and crucial science tools?

Lucy, do you know anyone that's involved with a prestigious university? ;-)

Andrew.

Re: advocacy

[Andy Wardley]

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 02:44:50PM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote:
> I know this has been tried before but this is for a cunning plan.

A plan so cunning you could stick a tail on it and call it a weasel?

A

Re: advocacy

[Simon Wistow]

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 02:01:48PM +0100, Lucy McWilliam said:
> What about prestigious universities, and crucial science tools?

Definitely. I'm looking for examples that would make a journalist prick
up their ears and that can reverse the opinion that Perl is for kooks,
beer swilling, rule breaking, havoc raising loons, CGI on hobby sites
and is generally not an enterprise class language.

I know this has been tried before but this is for a cunning plan.

-- 
: as a language, it looks like rows of disciplined insects

Re: advocacy

[Lucy McWilliam]

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, Simon Wistow wrote:

> The list has 286 regular and 32 digested members including (but not
> limited to) people from such diverse companies as the beeb, eidos,
> blackstar, thomson holidays, EMI music, Emap and motorola.

What about prestigious universities, and crucial science tools?


L.
I am not a moose.

advocacy

[Simon Wistow]

The list has 286 regular and 32 digested members including (but not
limited to) people from such diverse companies as the beeb, eidos,
blackstar, thomson holidays, EMI music, Emap and motorola. 

For my own nefarious deeds I'm looking for examples of how Perl is used
at these 'name' companies so if people could email me off list that
would be really, really great. It's for a good and worthy but hush, hush
cause although all should be revealed soon.

Simon

-- 
: as a language, it looks like rows of disciplined insects

Re: REVIEW - Running Weblogs with Slash

[Dave Cross]

Bum. Meant to send this to the list.

On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 06:45:47AM +0100, Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 23, 2002 at 04:27:14PM -0400, Yeoh Yiu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > my mailer strips off attachments.
> > is this review posted somewhere, or can you include it
> > as text ?
> 
> 

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