Re: [ANNOUNCE] A Manifesto, Of Sorts.
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 07:44:20PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: > On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Mark Fowler wrote: > > > As Brian D Foy says, don't chunk out the stuff you cut out, stick it at > > the end as bonus material... > > MJD even. Thanks for Elthek pointing this out. My brain just > failed...never try and do anything on a Sunday[1] You still didn't correct your spelling of brian's name. Yes, I'm behind in my email. dha -- David H. Adler - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ "I go where I will and I do what I can" - Henry Fool
Re: IRC
Alex wrote:
> I was thinking of installing an IRC client on my Win NT4 box to chat to the
> Londonpm'ers ... but the one I chose at random crashes when trying to talk
> to the "official" server.
When I use a local client on Windows, I use mIRC, but I've heard other
people say good things about the XChat port.
A good percentage of us (myself included) normally ssh to our unix boxes
and then use command line irc clients. When combined with the 'screen'
program this (assuming your unix box is perminatly connected to the
Internet) allows you to always be on irc. When you close the ssh window
your irc client continues to run in the background inside the screen
sessions and you just seem very quiet. When you reconnect to your server
you can run another screen command (for me it's "screen -R -d irc") to
show the irc client display again.
I personally like this as it means I can "drop in" and "drop out" of irc
all day long, allowing me to quickly scan what's going on and get the
context of what's going on before I started paying attention (so I'm not
being rude constantly interupting other conversations.) It also means you
don't tend to get 'caught' in irc as much as there's no real barrier to
leaving either (as you can reconnect again in a minute or two)
As 'nix command line irc clients go, I use irssi (http://irssi.org/).
You can extend it with Perl scripts, so it should apeal to the Perl hacker
in you.
Hope this is helpful.
Mark.
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Re: re IRC
On 24/11/2002 at 14:30 -0500, Chris Devers wrote: On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Lusercop wrote: A: No Q: Do I like top-posted messages? Q: Is netiquette important? A: Yes. Q: Did anyone ask you to be the grand enforcer of list etiquette? A: I'm quite sure no one did. The cure is far worse than the ailment. In future, I suggest people who have a problem with top quoting send a polite pointer, preferably offlist, to the mailing list page information at the site (http://london.pm.org/about/list.html) which says: Avoid jeopardy (or 'top') quoting, with the reply above the original content. Although this suggestion is more controversial (and hence less binding) than some of the others, this still annoys many people, so please think hard before doing so. I hope this will close the thread, since we did the last argument over it all of three months ago, and it's not stopped being boring since. Thanks. -- :: paul :: we're like crystal
Re: REVIEW Perl for C programmers
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 12:38:10AM +, Mark Fowler wrote: > Nicholas Clarke wrote: > > > Just skip the chapter on regular expressions, and use a good regular > > expression tutorial instead. > > Just out of interest, does the book mention the 'perlrequick' > documentation? That's as good as place as anyone to start who's learning > regexs. No. The regexp chapter suggests perlre, perlop and perldebguts, the latter because "debugging information concerning the internals of Perl. This document contains a reference on all the codes output by the regular expression debugger" > (yes, it's my book - as I told you, I hadn't even had time to open it yet > ;-) ) Currently hard as it's sitting on my lap. :-) > > This book does one thing, and does it well. However I suspect that > > this means that you will read it about twice, by which time it will give you > > the confidence and ability to find everything you need answered online, from > > which point it will remain on your bookshelf. > > Ah, but does that make it any less useful...probably not. I have many > books these days that I hardly ever look in, but were great as a jumpstart > guide. No, I think doesn't affect how useful it is. It's more a warning - if you consider a book that doesn't act as ongoing reference as not the best value for money, then this probably isn't for you. (I'm being careful with the double negative - it is value for money if time is money and you need to jumpstart onto perl fast) Nicholas Clark -- INTERCAL better than perl? http://www.perl.org/advocacy/spoofathon/
Re: re IRC
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 08:01:49PM -, Gareth Kirwan wrote: > Problem being that I need a different style of replying between mailing > lists and work conversations Yes, I get people at work telling me that they didn't realise I had added anything to a message I sent them. Can't I just put my reply at the top, like everyone else? :-( -- Paul Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pjcj.net
Re: re IRC
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 07:52:56PM -, Gareth Kirwan wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 02:30:42PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: > > > Q: Does anyone care what message posting style you prefer? > > > A: Doubtful. > > Which is why you wrote: > What AM i doing here? > > >> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Gareth Kirwan topquoted thusly: > > ? > > Just glad to know you practice that which you preach. > ya what ... I'm i missing something - where'd I come into this ? A message that you wrote a few weeks ago, followed-up by this Devers character, who told me that telling people I didn't like them top-quoting was evil and bad. It just happened to be one I found. -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
RE: re IRC
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 07:52:56PM -, Gareth Kirwan wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 02:30:42PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: > > > > Q: Does anyone care what message posting style you prefer? > > > > A: Doubtful. > > > Which is why you wrote: > > What AM i doing here? > > > >> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Gareth Kirwan topquoted thusly: > > > ? > > > Just glad to know you practice that which you preach. > > ya what ... I'm i missing something - where'd I come into this ? > > A message that you wrote a few weeks ago, followed-up by this Devers > character, who told me that telling people I didn't like them top-quoting > was evil and bad. It just happened to be one I found. > > -- > Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002 > S'ok - It was before I got my client fixed - when I was switching back to a perl system i used to use. Problem being that I need a different style of replying between mailing lists and work conversations No harm done - i hope :-) Gareth
RE: re IRC
> On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 02:30:42PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: > > Q: Does anyone care what message posting style you prefer? > > A: Doubtful. > > Which is why you wrote: What AM i doing here? > >> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Gareth Kirwan topquoted thusly: > ? > > Just glad to know you practice that which you preach. > > -- > Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002 > ya what ... I'm i missing something - where'd I come into this ?
Re: re IRC
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 02:30:42PM -0500, Chris Devers wrote: > Q: Does anyone care what message posting style you prefer? > A: Doubtful. Which is why you wrote: >> On Thu, 7 Nov 2002, Gareth Kirwan topquoted thusly: ? Just glad to know you practice that which you preach. -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
Re: re IRC
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Lusercop wrote: > A: No > Q: Do I like top-posted messages? Q: Is netiquette important? A: Yes. Q: Are messages like this a good example of proper netiquette? A: No. Q: Does anyone care what message posting style you prefer? A: Doubtful. Q: Did anyone ask you to be the grand enforcer of list etiquette? A: I'm quite sure no one did. Please keep this stuff offlist, LC. The cure is far worse than the ailment. -- Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re IRC
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 06:48:25PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Surely everyone on london pm should be using sirc(the perl irc client) > PS I had to hack it around a bit to get DCC Resume working and some other > little mirc features it was missing, but then its in perl so that wasnt > hard. Are you using a perl MUA too? if so, can you persuade it to wrap lines sensibly, and not answer things before they've been asked? Your current MUA doesn't seem to be able to do this, and if it's in perl, then I'm sure it won't be hard for you to add these features. A: No Q: Do I like top-posted messages? Cheers -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002
re IRC
Surely everyone on london pm should be using sirc(the perl irc client) PS I had to hack it around a bit to get DCC Resume working and some other little mirc features it was missing, but then its in perl so that wasnt hard. > Hi folks, > > I was thinking of installing an IRC client on my Win NT4 box to chat to the > Londonpm'ers ... but the one I chose at random crashes when trying to talk > to the "official" server. > > london.rhizomatic.net:6667 > #London.pm > > Richard..
Re: IRC
When I used Windows for IRC, I always used to use vIRC ... to be honest, mIRC works fine too though. Which one did you choose? +Pete On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 06:21:05PM +, Alex McLintock wrote: > Hi folks, > > I was thinking of installing an IRC client on my Win NT4 box to chat to the > Londonpm'ers ... but the one I chose at random crashes when trying to talk > to the "official" server.
Re: IRC
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Alex McLintock wrote: > I was thinking of installing an IRC client on my Win NT4 box to chat to > the Londonpm'ers ... but the one I chose at random crashes when trying > to talk to the "official" server. You conspicuously don't mention which one you tried. I've always like mIRC, but opinions here are a dime a dozen... -- Chris Devers[EMAIL PROTECTED]
IRC
Hi folks, I was thinking of installing an IRC client on my Win NT4 box to chat to the Londonpm'ers ... but the one I chose at random crashes when trying to talk to the "official" server. london.rhizomatic.net:6667 #London.pm Is there a suggested "best" irc client for Windows NT? I'll consider a Gnome client but I don't have my screen showing XWindows much... I normally just telnet/ssh into my unix boxes. Sorry, I'm a bit out of practice with IRC since I first started 12 or 13 years ago... Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London. Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Open Source Software Companies please register here http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/
Re: The Peon's Guide To Secure System Development
> I also looked into wxWindows at the time, but it was very immature > back then, and had no Perl bindings. Hi, look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/wxperl Regards David "Sniper" Rigaudiere Paris Perl Monger
Re: Perl GUI Development (was The Peon's Guide...)
- Original Message - From: "Simon Batistoni" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 24, 2002 10:56 AM Subject: Perl GUI Development (was The Peon's Guide...) > On 24/11/02 10:13 +, Dirk Koopman wrote: > > On a slightly serious note: has anyone successfully used any GUI > > framework on both Unix and Windows with perl? I have a very simple > > little terminal type prog that I want to have work on both. > > I've successfully used the Tk Modules on both Windows and Linux. The latest version looks much better on windows than previous versions. John Imrie
Re: The Peon's Guide To Secure System Development
On Sun, Nov 24, 2002 at 10:13:48AM +, Dirk Koopman wrote: > On a slightly serious note: has anyone successfully used any GUI > framework on both Unix and Windows with perl? I have a very simple > little terminal type prog that I want to have work on both. > > Apparently WxWindows works reasonably well, are there any others? A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, my company wanted a cross platform (Unices and Windows) gui to plonk on a C++ back end. Actually, they just wanted guis, and spent a fortune getting an external company to write a Motif gui. Apart from that cost, I spent longer managing the project than it would have taken for me to do it myself, and to prove it when the Windows gui was required I wrote it in Perl/Tk, which also worked on Unix. This is how I was able to get Perl into the company - on the back of Tk. Well, that and I wrote the build and testing systems in Perl. The next major project was done entirely in Perl. I also looked into wxWindows at the time, but it was very immature back then, and had no Perl bindings. -- Paul Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pjcj.net
Re: Perl GUI Development (was The Peon's Guide...)
On Sun, 2002-11-24 at 10:56, Simon Batistoni wrote: > On 24/11/02 10:13 +, Dirk Koopman wrote: > > On a slightly serious note: has anyone successfully used any GUI > > framework on both Unix and Windows with perl? I have a very simple > > little terminal type prog that I want to have work on both. > > > > Apparently WxWindows works reasonably well, are there any others? > > WxWindows does indeed work well - exactly the same code will produce > reasonable native-looking apps on both platforms. > Sorry to be boring about this: the perl bindings work reasonably well in windows? I must confess to not being able to make it work myself. Dirk -- Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State.
Re: Tech Meet Followup
Thanks. I enjoyed giving a talk, not something I do very often. I'll see
if I can think of something for the next one...
Rob.
On Fri, Nov 22, 2002 at 12:53:37PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
> Hello.
>
> Thanks to everyone for the great tech meet last night. Thanks to the
> speakers for turning up and talking (and *finally* getting me all their
> slides in advance.) Thanks to Profero for the venue. Thanks to Justin
> and Tim for staying after work to help. Thanks to everyone for turning
> up.
>
> Oh, and thanks to Leo for getting the slides online already:
>
>http://london.pm.org/tech_talks/21_nov_2002/
>
> They're all there, with the exception of Lucy's phyiscal props, which were
> a bit hard to digitise. To console yourself there's the extra bonus Dave
> Cantrell slides which weren't actually presented at the tech meet.
>
> Right, enough of that. Who wants to speak at the next one then? It's
> provisionally scheduled for the 23rd of Jan 2003 (venue allowing) and I'm
> accepting lightning talks, twenty minute talks, and even fourty minute
> talks/tutorials.
>
> And yes, this *is* me trying to give speakers two months to write talks.
>
> Mark.
>
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Re: Perl GUI Development (was The Peon's Guide...)
Replying to my own post cos I forgot something. Bah, I need breakfast. On 24/11/02 10:56 +, Simon Batistoni wrote: > If you're getting into serious app development, there's also a > commercial forms designer, wxDesigner (29 euro for a student licence, > 129 for a single normal user licence, crippled demo available), which > I've heard good things about. You can find wxDesigner at http://www.roebling.de/
Perl GUI Development (was The Peon's Guide...)
On 24/11/02 10:13 +, Dirk Koopman wrote: > On a slightly serious note: has anyone successfully used any GUI > framework on both Unix and Windows with perl? I have a very simple > little terminal type prog that I want to have work on both. > > Apparently WxWindows works reasonably well, are there any others? WxWindows does indeed work well - exactly the same code will produce reasonable native-looking apps on both platforms. I haven't had a chance to try it on the Mac - last time I looked into this, I really wanted cross-platform abilities between all 3, but certainly for Unix and Windows, it's the best I've come across. If you're getting into serious app development, there's also a commercial forms designer, wxDesigner (29 euro for a student licence, 129 for a single normal user licence, crippled demo available), which I've heard good things about. It can output the perl/python/c code for a designed application directly. > Also does the ActiveState stuff allow you to do native windows programs > in perl? There are various Win32:: modules, most of which are present in the default Activestate distro. For creating GUI stuff, look at Win32::GUI http://search.cpan.org/author/ACALPINI/Win32-GUI-0.0.558/docs/methods.pod I can't find any useful form designing tools for this, though, so building a professional-looking app is probably a matter of trial and error with regards to control placement on the window.
Re: The Naughty List
At 21:16 23/11/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mmm, Web Site Management with Perl (or something similar) is mine. I did start writing a review, but the book wasn't really about what I thought it'd be about based on the title, so ELACKOFMOTIVATION. I don't know if David agrees with me on this, but for books from http://news.DiverseBooks.com/ (this isn't one of them) I'd normally suggest that you write a short review based on your initial impressions of the book. This could be used as a backup review - or a teaser review, and also used as the basis of your full review later on. It may sound mercenary but I think the publishers would prefer more reviews more quickly rather than a smaller number of in depth reviews several months after publication. Alex Openweb Analysts Ltd, London. Software For Complex Websites http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Open Source Software Companies please register here http://www.OWAL.co.uk/oss_support/
Re: The Peon's Guide To Secure System Development
On a slightly serious note: has anyone successfully used any GUI framework on both Unix and Windows with perl? I have a very simple little terminal type prog that I want to have work on both. Apparently WxWindows works reasonably well, are there any others? Also does the ActiveState stuff allow you to do native windows programs in perl? Dirk -- Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State.
