[job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
Hi We are looking for a Perl programmer to develop a customer-facing web control panel for our antispam and antivirus mail filtering service. Currently, all configuration is done via a combination of database (postgres) and flat text files. We would like to have a secure, intuitive and user-friendly interface built to manage this system for clients and in-house admin staff. Web design skills are _not_ required (have html monkey) though may be an advantage. Having a better than average knowledge of how email works is useful. A flat fee of £500 is offered plus on-going support and maintenance at a rate to be agreed. -- Martin A. Brooks | http://www.antibodymx.net/ | Anti-spam& anti-virus Consultant| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | filtering. Inoculate antibodymx.net | m: +447792493388 | your mail system.
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
On 31 Aug 2008, at 17:54, Martin A. Brooks wrote: [...] A flat fee of £500 is offered plus on-going support and maintenance at a rate to be agreed. Do you want a pony on a stick with that?
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
Peter Corlett wrote: On 31 Aug 2008, at 17:54, Martin A. Brooks wrote: [...] A flat fee of £500 is offered plus on-going support and maintenance at a rate to be agreed. Do you want a pony on a stick with that? No, not needed. Thanks. -- Martin A. Brooks | http://www.antibodymx.net/ | Anti-spam& anti-virus Consultant| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | filtering. Inoculate antibodymx.net | m: +447792493388 | your mail system.
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
On Sun, 31 Aug 2008, Peter Corlett wrote: Do you want a pony on a stick with that? surely a metal pole would be more useful for spit roasting the pony. -- Bob Walker http://london.randomness.org.uk - http://tech.randomness.org.uk http://rwc.randomness.org.uk- http://londonjoinery.com for great beery justice!- meh! bah! indeeed!
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:22, Bob Walker wrote: [...] surely a metal pole would be more useful for spit roasting the pony. I'm getting all the wrong mental images here.
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
On 31 Aug 2008, at 17:54, Martin A. Brooks wrote: Hi We are looking for a Perl programmer to develop a customer-facing web control panel for our antispam and antivirus mail filtering service. Currently, all configuration is done via a combination of database (postgres) and flat text files. We would like to have a secure, intuitive and user-friendly interface built to manage this system for clients and in-house admin staff. Web design skills are _not_ required (have html monkey) though may be an advantage. Having a better than average knowledge of how email works is useful. A flat fee of £500 is offered plus on-going support and maintenance at a rate to be agreed. So that's about 10 hours work then. Someone with a decent CRUD framework should be able to get something up and running in that time, surely? And does your monkey have a feces bucket? -- Dave HodgkinsonMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com UK: +44 7768 49020 Blog: http://davehodg.blogspot.comNL: +31 654 982906 Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
Martin A. Brooks wrote: [ snip ] > A flat fee of £500 is offered plus on-going support and maintenance at a > rate to be agreed. You're saying that you think this is one (or, at a push, two) day's work. Does that sound right? Dave...
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Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: So that's about 10 hours work then. Yep, that was my rough estimate. Someone with a decent CRUD framework should be able to get something up and running in that time, surely? Peter would seem to disagree there. And does your monkey have a feces bucket? I expect I could buy one for him, if required. -- Martin A. Brooks | http://www.antibodymx.net/ | Anti-spam& anti-virus Consultant| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | filtering. Inoculate antibodymx.net | m: +447792493388 | your mail system.
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
Dave Cross wrote: A flat fee of £500 is offered plus on-going support and maintenance at a rate to be agreed. You're saying that you think this is one (or, at a push, two) day's work. Does that sound right? Yes. -- Martin A. Brooks | http://www.antibodymx.net/ | Anti-spam& anti-virus Consultant| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | filtering. Inoculate antibodymx.net | m: +447792493388 | your mail system.
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:53, Martin A. Brooks wrote: [...] Someone with a decent CRUD framework should be able to get something up and running in that time, surely? Peter would seem to disagree there. I would also estimate it to take about a day or so. £500 would therefore be a reasonable estimate at the typical market rate of £300-400/day for a Perl contractor. However, you're after a fixed-price job, which costs more because the contractor is taking on the extra risk of the job going pear-shaped for reasons outside their control. And IMO, £500 isn't enough to cover that risk.
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
Peter Corlett wrote: On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:53, Martin A. Brooks wrote: [...] Someone with a decent CRUD framework should be able to get something up and running in that time, surely? Peter would seem to disagree there. I would also estimate it to take about a day or so. £500 would therefore be a reasonable estimate at the typical market rate of £300-400/day for a Perl contractor. However, you're after a fixed-price job, which costs more because the contractor is taking on the extra risk of the job going pear-shaped for reasons outside their control. And IMO, £500 isn't enough to cover that risk. I agree. This is something that people that want fixed prices never seem to factor in. Particularly when dealing with short jobs, it really is a case of think of a number and treble it. Double never seems enough to cover it. Dirk
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:07:10PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: > > However, you're after a fixed-price job, which costs more because the > contractor is taking on the extra risk of the job going pear-shaped > for reasons outside their control. And IMO, £500 isn't enough to cover > that risk. > I think Peter is spot on with this logic, and I'd never want to bid on a fixed price piece of work at such a small amount, the handshaking time[1] alone would be just to large a % to make it worthwhile. However it's an open market, someone out there hasn't as much risk aversion as I have or as large a mortgage payment (its not that large actually, i'm scared of risk). I personally reckon he'll get a taker, and I'm not sure either of them will be fully satisfied, but thats ok. And of course you can always suggest to Martin you'll do it for more as a counter offer. What's maybe more interesting is the value/cost people put on fixed term work vs. contracting and of course the value people put on a really good job (and what that means) and a shoddy job. And these are both topics I believe will become more significant in the next five years or so. To be honest, I'm changing my views on software development quality daily now I'm back at the cutting edge, and it really doesn't have much to do with code/frameworks/documentation. On a recent project I was shepherding, the project plan had maybe 10 tasks, yet when I was told to move onto another project, my handover task list had 22 soft tasks[2] that were all about making sure the business got what they wanted, that ratio is fairly significant given there was a full test/qa/systems allocation to the project. Greg [1] Just made up the term, the time it takes to set up any contract/deal, agree exactly what the deliverables are and set up the agreement in a strong enough (legal) way. [2] None of them on the original plan.
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
Dirk Koopman wrote: I agree. This is something that people that want fixed prices never seem to factor in. The other thing they often forget is "fixed spec". I've had clients who think that "fixed price" equates to an all-you-can-eat buffet with an open bar. A
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:30:07PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:07:10PM +0100, Peter Corlett wrote: > > > > However, you're after a fixed-price job, which costs more because the > > contractor is taking on the extra risk of the job going pear-shaped > > for reasons outside their control. And IMO, £500 isn't enough to cover > > that risk. > > > > What's maybe more interesting is the value/cost people put on fixed > term work vs. contracting and of course the value people put on a And, in no way related to Martin, but related to software value, http://notalwaysright.com/thickheaded-as-thieves/739 G.
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
Peter Corlett wrote: I would also estimate it to take about a day or so. £500 would therefore be a reasonable estimate at the typical market rate of £300-400/day for a Perl contractor. So why the "moon on a stick" comment? However, you're after a fixed-price job, which costs more because the contractor is taking on the extra risk of the job going pear-shaped for reasons outside their control. And IMO, £500 isn't enough to cover that risk. I therefore look forward to not reviewing your CV. *shrug* -- Martin A. Brooks | http://www.antibodymx.net/ | Anti-spam& anti-virus Consultant| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | filtering. Inoculate antibodymx.net | m: +447792493388 | your mail system.
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 08:07:10PM +0100, the following was promulgated by Peter Corlett: > On 31 Aug 2008, at 18:53, Martin A. Brooks wrote: > [...] > >>Someone with a decent CRUD framework should be able to get something > >>up and running in that time, surely? > >Peter would seem to disagree there. > > > I would also estimate it to take about a day or so. £500 would > therefore be a reasonable estimate at the typical market rate of > £300-400/day for a Perl contractor. I have been working in a nice comfortable web agency for to long, £500 wouldn't start to pay for the UX guy to prototype the "intuitive and user-friendly interface" before a line of code was written ;-) -- Tony Kennick Web: http://www.pint.org.uk/ Blog: http://blog.pint.org.uk/ Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thegreatgonzo/
Re: [job advert] looking for a perl person to write a web control panel
On 31 Aug 2008, at 22:25, Martin A. Brooks wrote: Peter Corlett wrote: I would also estimate it to take about a day or so. £500 would therefore be a reasonable estimate at the typical market rate of £300-400/day for a Perl contractor. So why the "moon on a stick" comment? Er, because you're not offering the market rate of £300-400/day? However, you're after a fixed-price job, which costs more because the contractor is taking on the extra risk of the job going pear- shaped for reasons outside their control. And IMO, £500 isn't enough to cover that risk. I therefore look forward to not reviewing your CV. *shrug* How terrible. I won't get a job that has all the signs of one that will shaft the contractor. This probably isn't your intent, but that's how it looks. No doubt you'll find some sucker who will take it on. Neither of you will be satisfied with the results.
perl bless/overload performance problem on RHEL
May interest anyone running stock perl on Red Hat 5, Centos 5, or Fedora 9 http://blog.vipul.net/2008/08/24/redhat-perl-what-a-tragedy/ (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379791) e.
Re: perl bless/overload performance problem on RHEL
Elliot Moore wrote: http://blog.vipul.net/2008/08/24/redhat-perl-what-a-tragedy/ (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=379791) And here: http://use.perl.org/~nicholas/journal/37274 Which says: "So to be fair they are still asleep on the job. Where's I'm awake and doing this stuff for free." That's the real tragedy IMHO. Some RedHat dude is getting paid to make a mess of Perl while Nicholas works for free to fix it. They should cut out the middle man. A
