Genius plan for the website!
So London.pm looks good on the outside due to Tony's efforts. But is there any inner beauty? Here is my cunning plan to regain the inner beauty: 1) wget -r the current site to a bunch of static files 2) tedious finding of repeated text replacing them with Template::Toolkit [% INCLUDE ... %] 3) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take templates and generate html pages 4) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take html and upload it to server 5) dump all templates and scripts into github (or whatever) 6) err - that's it! this would mean that: 1) anyone could edit the site and fling back a patch. 2) meetings might be up-to-date 3) XML? what XML? 4) one step closer to world domination! Any volunteers or am I going to have to do it all myself? Cheers, Edmund. -- Help Perl newbies: http://www.send-a-newbie.com/ http://twitter.com/send_a_newbie
Re: Genius plan for the website!
On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:32, Edmund von der Burg wrote: Here is my cunning plan to regain the inner beauty: 1) wget -r the current site to a bunch of static files We have a bunch of static files. The whole thing is generated from xml. 2) tedious finding of repeated text replacing them with Template::Toolkit [% INCLUDE ... %] How about replacing them with !-- #include ... -- instead? I know we're a perl website, but lets be pragmatic and not go overkill. 3) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take templates and generate html pages Unnecessary 4) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take html and upload it to server Unnecessary 5) dump all templates and scripts into github (or whatever) That bit's easy 6) err - that's it! If you still have a 'build' step, it's horribly wrong. Any volunteers or am I going to have to do it all myself? /me steps back, has enough to do. --James
Re: Genius plan for the website!
On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:32, Edmund von der Burg wrote: 3) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take templates and generate html pages Apache::Template FTW! Then cache on the front. -- Dave HodgkinsonMSN: daveh...@hotmail.com Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com UK: +44 7768 490620 Blog: http://davehodg.blogspot.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg
Re: Genius plan for the website!
2009/7/3 Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:32, Edmund von der Burg wrote: 3) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take templates and generate html pages Apache::Template FTW! Then cache on the front. /me passed Edmund the can of worms and points to the JFDI mistake Leo
Re: Genius plan for the website!
2009/7/3 James Laver james.la...@gmail.com: On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:32, Edmund von der Burg wrote: Here is my cunning plan to regain the inner beauty: 1) wget -r the current site to a bunch of static files We have a bunch of static files. The whole thing is generated from xml. 2) tedious finding of repeated text replacing them with Template::Toolkit [% INCLUDE ... %] How about replacing them with !-- #include ... -- instead? I know we're a perl website, but lets be pragmatic and not go overkill. Nope - need to be able to view the final HTML without running a server. Otherwise there is just yet another barrier to making changes that stop people from doing things. A little build script is the simplest possible compromise 3) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take templates and generate html pages Unnecessary 4) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take html and upload it to server Unnecessary 5) dump all templates and scripts into github (or whatever) That bit's easy 6) err - that's it! If you still have a 'build' step, it's horribly wrong. Any volunteers or am I going to have to do it all myself? /me steps back, has enough to do. --James -- Help Perl newbies: http://www.send-a-newbie.com/ http://twitter.com/send_a_newbie
Re: Genius plan for the website!
2009/7/3 Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com: On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:32, Edmund von der Burg wrote: 3) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take templates and generate html pages Apache::Template FTW! Then cache on the front. I hear that pastel-like seaside shades are very much in vogue this season. -- http://rabidgravy.com/ - Music http://gellyfish.co.uk/ - Everything else
Re: Genius plan for the website!
On 3 Jul 2009, at 13:37, Edmund von der Burg wrote: Nope - need to be able to view the final HTML without running a server. Otherwise there is just yet another barrier to making changes that stop people from doing things. A little build script is the simplest possible compromise Right, because it's not like we're all programmers or anything and may know how to set up a server. Or turn on the one that comes with OSX, install XAMPP from a handy windows package manager or type 'aptitude install apache2' (or yum or something else). --James
Re: Genius plan for the website!
On 3 Jul 2009, at 13:45, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I hear that pastel-like seaside shades are very much in vogue this season. Well PHP 5.3 was released this week. We should definitely use that.* --James *along with postgres. it's christmas, you know.
Re: Genius plan for the website!
2009/7/3 Edmund von der Burg e...@ecclestoad.co.uk: 2009/7/3 James Laver james.la...@gmail.com: On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:32, Edmund von der Burg wrote: Here is my cunning plan to regain the inner beauty: 1) wget -r the current site to a bunch of static files We have a bunch of static files. The whole thing is generated from xml. 2) tedious finding of repeated text replacing them with Template::Toolkit [% INCLUDE ... %] How about replacing them with !-- #include ... -- instead? I know we're a perl website, but lets be pragmatic and not go overkill. Nope - need to be able to view the final HTML without running a server. Otherwise there is just yet another barrier to making changes that stop people from doing things. A little build script is the simplest possible compromise You do know that it is already in a publicly accessible SVN server and that it uses a little build script? - if it's just a fashion thing re SVN GIT than we can sort that out without needing to use the wget part as it is already 'pre-baked'. -- http://rabidgravy.com/ - Music http://gellyfish.co.uk/ - Everything else
Re: Genius plan for the website!
On 03/07/2009 13:52, James Laver wrote: Right, because it's not like we're all programmers or anything and may know how to set up a server For the most part programmers don't know how to manage servers, that's why you're programmers and don't step up to become sysadmins. Programmers are waify distractable mites with the attention span of a can of herring. Ever in search of The Next Big Thing and leaving steaming piles of crap behind for us sysadmins to look after, possible for years after the programmers are found dead in a ditch, assuming the bodies will be found at all.
Re: Genius plan for the website!
On 3/7/09 13:45, Jonathan Stowe wrote: 2009/7/3 Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com: On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:32, Edmund von der Burg wrote: 3) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take templates and generate html pages Apache::Template FTW! Then cache on the front. I hear that pastel-like seaside shades are very much in vogue this season. No. Bikesheds should obviously be green. Edmund - do it whatever way you want thanks for offering to do something :-) S.
Re: Genius plan for the website!
2009/7/3 Martin A. Brooks mar...@antibodymx.net On 03/07/2009 13:52, James Laver wrote: Right, because it's not like we're all programmers or anything and may know how to set up a server For the most part programmers don't know how to manage servers, that's why you're programmers and don't step up to become sysadmins. Programmers are waify distractable mites with the attention span of a can of herring. Ever in search of The Next Big Thing and leaving steaming piles of crap behind for us sysadmins to look after, possible for years after the programmers are found dead in a ditch, assuming the bodies will be found at all. You'd *so* love my config files.
Re: Genius plan for the website!
DH == Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com writes: DH On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:32, Edmund von der Burg wrote: 3) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take templates and generate html pages DH Apache::Template FTW! Then cache on the front. Template::Simple is the easiest and fastest one out there. and the connection to london.pm is that one of your members funded its conversion to a cpan module! also it now has compiled templates (in git but not cpan yet) for even more speed. and CMS::Simple (also git not cpan yet) is the tiny bulletproof module and script that builds all the pages. i now leave you to discuss. uri -- Uri Guttman -- u...@stemsystems.com http://www.sysarch.com -- - Perl Code Review , Architecture, Development, Training, Support -- - Free Perl Training --- http://perlhunter.com/college.html - - Gourmet Hot Cocoa Mix http://bestfriendscocoa.com -
Re: Genius plan for the website!
On 3 Jul 2009, at 16:47, Uri Guttman wrote: DH == Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com writes: DH On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:32, Edmund von der Burg wrote: 3) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take templates and generate html pages DH Apache::Template FTW! Then cache on the front. Template::Simple is the easiest and fastest one out there You missed both the point and the irony. -- Dave HodgkinsonMSN: daveh...@hotmail.com Site: http://www.davehodgkinson.com UK: +44 7768 490620 Blog: http://davehodg.blogspot.com Photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davehodg
Re: Genius plan for the website!
Uri Guttman wrote: DH == Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com writes: DH On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:32, Edmund von der Burg wrote: 3) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take templates and generate html pages DH Apache::Template FTW! Then cache on the front. Template::Simple is the easiest and fastest one out there. and the connection to london.pm is that one of your members funded its conversion to a cpan module! also it now has compiled templates (in git but not cpan yet) for even more speed. and CMS::Simple (also git not cpan yet) is the tiny bulletproof module and script that builds all the pages. i now leave you to discuss. Ok, I'll bite, where do I look for the non-(yet)cpan stuff? Dirk
Re: Genius plan for the website!
DH == Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com writes: DH On 3 Jul 2009, at 16:47, Uri Guttman wrote: DH == Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com writes: DH On 3 Jul 2009, at 12:32, Edmund von der Burg wrote: 3) tiny, simple, bulletproof script to take templates and generate html pages DH Apache::Template FTW! Then cache on the front. Template::Simple is the easiest and fastest one out there DH You missed both the point and the irony. it must be the funny accents you all have! :) and i didn't miss it but more likely replied to the wrong letter in the thread. the OP did mention TT. uri -- Uri Guttman -- u...@stemsystems.com http://www.sysarch.com -- - Perl Code Review , Architecture, Development, Training, Support -- - Free Perl Training --- http://perlhunter.com/college.html - - Gourmet Hot Cocoa Mix http://bestfriendscocoa.com -
Re: Genius plan for the website!
DK == Dirk Koopman d...@tobit.co.uk writes: DK Uri Guttman wrote: Template::Simple is the easiest and fastest one out there. and the connection to london.pm is that one of your members funded its conversion to a cpan module! also it now has compiled templates (in git but not cpan yet) for even more speed. and CMS::Simple (also git not cpan yet) is the tiny bulletproof module and script that builds all the pages. i now leave you to discuss. DK Ok, I'll bite, where do I look for the non-(yet)cpan stuff? cms is the cms::simple thing. it is raw and undocumented but works (the perlhunter.com and bestfriendscocoa sites are built with it). the big win it has is that you can share content and also templates among multiple pages with little effort. i can send you tarballs of either site tree if you want to play with the cms::simple thing. the git repo is here. http://perlhunter.com/git/ this is a browsable version of the repo http://perlhunter.com/git/gitweb/gitweb.cgi thanx, uri -- Uri Guttman -- u...@stemsystems.com http://www.sysarch.com -- - Perl Code Review , Architecture, Development, Training, Support -- - Free Perl Training --- http://perlhunter.com/college.html - - Gourmet Hot Cocoa Mix http://bestfriendscocoa.com -
