He'brew
Since we're on topic, discussing beer, does anyone know where in London I can acquire He'brew, the Chosen Beer? I bought some back in the states, only to discover that I really, really like this stuff. It's a darker beer with hints of chocolate and nutty goodness. http://www.shmaltz.com/HEBREW/ Cheers, Ovid -- Buy the book - http://www.oreilly..com/catalog/perlhks/ Tech blog- http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/ Twitter - http://twitter.com/OvidPerl Official Perl 6 Wiki - http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 09:02:12AM -0700, Ovid typed: Gotta disagree on this one. IPA in the states is *awful*. I actually like it over here. Plus, US beers (even the quality ones) are often very fizzy. A bit too much for my taste. I know the microbreweries in Portland are fantastic, but they generally don't ship over here. I thought Sierra Nevada Pale Ale was *excellent*, although there was a tendancy for some to be over hopped. BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed in the UK. It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen this? -- Steve Mynott st...@gruntling.com
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Steve Mynott wrote: BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed in the UK. It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen this? I don't know about the 2/3rds (although it would follow naturally from 1/3rd pints) but I've seen 1/3rds in a couple of places - the Young's brewery (before it moved) and the Great British Beer festival. I've got some 1/3rd glasses now, thanks to the last few GBBFs, because I ran out of space for pints. I think they've been a legal measure for a while, but after 10 minutes of reading through publications.parliament.co.uk I've lost the will to research any further for now... --billy -- http://billyabbott.co.uk You say tomato, I say EMACS
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 09:53:35AM +0100, Steve Mynott wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 09:02:12AM -0700, Ovid typed: Gotta disagree on this one. IPA in the states is *awful*. I actually like it over here. Plus, US beers (even the quality ones) are often very fizzy. A bit too much for my taste. I know the microbreweries in Portland are fantastic, but they generally don't ship over here. I thought Sierra Nevada Pale Ale was *excellent*, although there was a tendancy for some to be over hopped. BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed in the UK. It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen this? As I understand it the law is that draft beer must be dispensed into crown (or EU) stamped glasses, which are in (integer) multiples of 1/3, 1/2 or 1 pint. So I infer that if you can get a stamped 2/3 glass, it's legal. I have seen 1/3rd glasses - Greg, Kake and I went to a Wetherspoon's beer festival where they were selling three thirds of different beers. I found this *extremely* dangerous - I can neck (and enjoy) a third pint glass very rapidly. And then there are 2 more. And then they are all gone. IIRC, these 1/3rd glasses were EU stamped, but I don't have a picture of this. I'm sure Napoleon must be spinning in his grave - 1/3rd of a pint is 189 1/3 ml, and it amuses me no end that the EU are officially sanctioning a vulgar fraction. Nicholas Clark
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On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Steve Mynott wrote: It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen this? they always have been legal. you certianly now see thirds at CAMRA beer festivals and I have seen it in some pubs. Normally as part of a try 4 beers as thirds pay for a pint offer. http://www.emberinns.co.uk/offer/enjoyallyourfavouritecaskales/ -- bob walker buses should be purple and bendy
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 01:31:32AM -0700, Ovid wrote: Since we're on topic, discussing beer, does anyone know where in London I can acquire He'brew, the Chosen Beer? I bought some back in the states, only to discover that I really, really like this stuff. It's a darker beer with hints of chocolate and nutty goodness. http://www.shmaltz.com/HEBREW/ I don't know this beer but I think you should get along to a proper (UK) Beer Festival and try the porters. Regards L.
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2009/9/30 Bob Walker b...@randomness.org.uk: On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Steve Mynott wrote: It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen this? they always have been legal. you certianly now see thirds at CAMRA beer festivals and I have seen it in some pubs. Normally as part of a try 4 beers as thirds pay for a pint offer. The (excellent) Bree Louise serves their (excellent) ales in 1/3 pint glasses if you ask. I usually pick 3 likely sounding ales, order 1/3 of each. They come on a little wooden board. IIRC they charge based on alcohol content, and ordering 3 random thirds tends not to get you charged for a pint of the strongest. So it seems a reasonable thing to do. Certainly doesn't cost more. /joel
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Ovid publiustemp-londo...@yahoo.com wrote: Since we're on topic, discussing beer, does anyone know where in London I can acquire He'brew, the Chosen Beer? I bought some back in the states, only to discover that I really, really like this stuff. It's a darker beer with hints of chocolate and nutty goodness. http://www.shmaltz.com/HEBREW/ I'd be surprised if it wasn't for sale in one of the more Jewish shopping areas. Brent Street in Hendon and Finchely Road in Temple Fortune both come to mind, I live almost on the former, so I'll have a look next time I'm wandering down there. -- Avi Greenbury http://aviswebsite.co.uk ;) http://aviswebsite.co.uk/asking-questions
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- Original Message From: lesl...@herlug.org.uk lesl...@herlug.org.uk I don't know this beer but I think you should get along to a proper (UK) Beer Festival and try the porters. I've already been to a CAMRA beer festival and was quite pleased. Cheers, Ovid -- Buy the book - http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlhks/ Tech blog- http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/ Twitter - http://twitter.com/OvidPerl Official Perl 6 Wiki - http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:11:30AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: As I understand it the law is that draft beer must be dispensed into crown (or EU) stamped glasses, which are in (integer) multiples of 1/3, 1/2 or 1 pint. That brings up an image of a civil servant stamping glasses. And once a month, a moves for a week from Brussles to Strassbourgh. Abigail
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--- On Wed, 30/9/09, Avi Greenbury avismailinglistacco...@googlemail.com wrote: I'd be surprised if it wasn't for sale in one of the more Jewish shopping areas. Brent Street in Hendon and Finchely Road in Temple Fortune both come to mind, I live almost on the former, so I'll have a look next time I'm wandering down there. Thanks Avi! Google has failed me here. Cheers, Ovid -- Buy the book - http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlhks/ Tech blog- http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/ Twitter - http://twitter.com/OvidPerl Official Perl 6 Wiki - http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6
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Abigail wrote: Me, I don't have a preference. I find anyone drinking alcohol a baboon. ;-) No anyone who has consumed enough alky starts acting like a chimp. Jacqui
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2009/9/30 Jacqui Caren jacqui.ca...@ntlworld.com: Abigail wrote: Me, I don't have a preference. I find anyone drinking alcohol a baboon. ;-) No anyone who has consumed enough alky starts acting like a chimp. I feel I'm more likely to act like a sloth (okay then, more like a sloth than usual). Just fall asleep somewhere handy.
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Jacqui Caren wrote: Abigail wrote: Me, I don't have a preference. I find anyone drinking alcohol a baboon. ;-) No anyone who has consumed enough alky starts acting like a chimp. I have video to prove that this isn't true, although I would not like to be definite about exactly which species of ape.
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On 09/30/2009 09:53 AM, Steve Mynott wrote: BTW I read a report that beer in 2/3 pint measures was to be allowed in the UK. It also claimed that currently 1/3 pint measures were available and legal in the UK. I wondered if anyone had ever seen this? Completely coincidentally, I just came across this: Two-thirds of a pint measure to be introduced A two-thirds of a pint measure is to be introduced in pubs and clubs. Changes will also be made to measures of fortified wine and brandy. http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_180884 Dave...
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:18:15AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: On the other hand, the Japanese managed to make decent lager from rice. [citation needed] How come America can't? I would have thought that the general shitty state of US beer was more due to prohibition shutting down all the small brewers - a situation that is now being fixed as more small brewers spring into existence. The same happened, to a smaller extent, in the UK - vast numbers of small breweries closed or got bought and merged by larger brewcos, leading to Watneys Red Barrel, Double Diamond, and the creation of CAMRA. -- David Cantrell | top google result for topless karaoke murders Did you know that shotguns taste like candy canes? Put the barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger for an extra blast of minty goodness!
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On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 11:26:17AM -0400, Ricardo Signes wrote: Even a fair bar has a number of good beers on tap, though, and they're almost always all American. I think that we Yanks who like our great American beer would love to share knowledge of it with the rest of the world -- but it's mostly produced by local concerns who don't make enough to supply the world. That said, my absolute favorite brewery, Victory, apparently supplies some places in London. I urge you to see if HopDevil is available near you. See http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Category_American_Beer You will notice that four out of five are south of the river, demonstrating beyond a shadow of a doubt that northerners are appallingly closed-minded and ignorant, believing that the best the US has to offer is Coors. -- David Cantrell | Enforcer, South London Linguistic Massive When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life -- Samuel Johnson
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On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:19 AM, David Cantrell wrote: On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 10:18:15AM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: On the other hand, the Japanese managed to make decent lager from rice. [citation needed] The problem with Japanese lagers is that they're generally quite bland - Kirin, Sapporo and Echigo Koshihikari all fall into that category. That said, I do quite like the Echigo with sushi when I'm not in a Sake mood. On the other hand, there are a few fantastic Japanese ales made with rice. No idea if you'll find them anywhere in London, but Hitachino Nest Red Rice Ale and Hitachino Nest Japanese Classic Ale are both fantastic. Some Whole Foods stock them in the US, so you might be able to get hold of them in a Fresh and Wild somewhere. How come America can't? I would have thought that the general shitty state of US beer was more due to prohibition shutting down all the small brewers - a situation that is now being fixed as more small brewers spring into existence. I'd actually go so far as to say it *has* been fixed - loads of small craft brewers have sprung up or expanded in the 5 years I've been living here, to the point where my first task in any new city is to seek out a liquor store and see what the local microbrew scene is like. This coming from someone who was convinced that he'd never have a decent beer again when he first moved Stateside. And the fact that Sierra Nevada is now large enough to export a significant amount of beer outside the US is... well... generally a good thing (although, personally, they're not my favourite; they have a worrying tendency to over-hop, and I think the beer in general suffers a little from the scale it's now being brewed at). For me, though, the ultimate sign of Real Beer Victory in the US is the fact that Anheuser-Busch felt threatened enough to develop Budweiser American Ale, a faux-craft-ale that, whilst still revolting swill, is slightly less awful than their usual pisswater, and at least acknowledges the idea that there is, in fact, a world beyond pisswater. sb
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On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:40:30AM -0700, Simon Batistoni said: This coming from someone who was convinced that he'd never have a decent beer again when he first moved Stateside. Mr Batistoni had done much of the pioneering, trail blazing work for me when I moved out to SF including introducing me to the fantastic Toronados (and the adjacent Rosamunde's sausage shop) with its bevy of fantastic microbrews and Belgian ales. That said, whilst I do love certain American beers my major complaint is that their IPAs are nothing like our IPAs. Not to say I don't like 'their' style but quite often they tend to be almost too hoppy and they're still quite fizzy and I find my self craving a pint of Hen or Pride - something nutty and not as gaseous. The Mad Dog In The Fog, opposite Toronaos does have Pride on tap but it's inexplicably nitrokegged which renders it almost undrinkable. Fortunately Whole Foods, for all their other sins, have a large and decent selection of bottled British beers from Youngs (inc Double Chocolate Stout) and Fullers to St Peters and Sam Smiths and even Black Sheep, Badger and Wychwood. All that said - given a choice between a pint of Directors and a pint of Anchor Steam or Sierra Pale Ale during lunch up in the mountains during ski season I'd go for the American beers everytime.
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Abigail wrote: That brings up an image of a civil servant stamping glasses. And once a month, a moves for a week from Brussles to Strassbourgh. 20 or so years ago there was a UK Weight and Measures Authority near where I lived in Kingston. Although I never did it myself, a number of my school mates had holiday jobs there checking and approving (or rejecting) pint glasses. It was all done by hand, one glass at a time. I find it hard to imagine that they would still doing it by hand, if indeed they are. But then again, I found it hard to believe that they were doing it by hand back then and the UK civil service moves anything but fast. So it wouldn't surprise me. A few years later the landlord of a local pub told me how much he had to pay for officially stamped glasses (which, of course, you have to have). I forget the figure, but it was more than a quid if memory serves, and that was in olden days money where a pint cost about the same or even less. Whatever the figure, it was ridiculously expensive all because they had to pay someone to check and stamp every single glass by hand. A shiny example of British inefficiency at its best. A
