Re: Weekend entertainment
Aloha, Most cultures/countries have a redneck equivalent, so it is not totally wasted on us non-us... anyway. I say if we have offended anybody, we remove the offending distribution. It is in the acme namespace, so it will not create a lot of fuss removing it. The author has the choice and freedom of distributing via other channels, but we as a community might have to be more democratic about it, so I say it goes. As for the apology, I think we could just get by with a friendly and polite email, informing the offended person of our actions. Going into a deeper analysis of the nature of humor and cultural differences is a waste of time, CPAN is an international resource and therefore we should act accordingly. The Acme namespace is still open and welcoming to all the crazy experiments, but we have to play nice at the same time. jonasbn On 15/11/2009, at 18.45, David Golden wrote: > On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Jerry D. Hedden wrote: >> Consider Jeff Foxworthy making fun of rednecks. How is that different? > > (Apologies if "redneck" jokes are too obscure for the non-Americans > reading this thread.) > > Jeff Foxworthy is a comedian. (Damn good one, too!) But his comedic > persona is that of a redneck, so his comedy is less offensive because > he is poking fun at himself. And his redneck jokes are defined by > behaviors and circumstance, not geography or innate characteristics of > people. > > E.g. from his site today: "You might be a redneck if your Christmas > ornaments are made out of spent shot-gun shells." > > (And maybe I'm guilty of stereotyping, but I suspect that Jörg Walter > is not a Nigerian spammer.) > >> As the module doesn't border on a hate crime, I see not reason to even >> suggest that the author consider a voluntary withdrawal. > > I meant only that I would hope the author's attitude would be "oops, > sorry, I was trying to be funny and didn't mean to offend anyone" > which I think is just a decent way to treat other human beings. > >> Again, a few people that can't take a joke. You can't please all the >> people all the time. > > So true. > > -- David
Re: Weekend entertainment
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 17:55, Jerry D. Hedden wrote: > To whom > is it offensive? Nigerians that are ashamed of what their fellow countrymen > are doing? Well, they should be, and should put a stop to it. Well, that's easily said. Clearly, all UK citizens who are ashamed of what other UK citizens do should also put a stop to it, and likewise (mutatis mutandis) for other countries. Cheers, Philip -- Philip Newton
Re: Weekend entertainment
On 15 Nov 2009, at 15:47, David Golden wrote: > I don't support censoring "bad > thoughts". I would rather see the author withdraw it voluntarily. http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/08/david-mitchell-comedy
Re: Weekend entertainment
David Landgren wrote: > I wanted to share this... Some people have no sense of humour. This came up > on the cont...@perl.org queue. > > (I shall compose a message saying Acme is fun, etc. etc. Can anyone point me > to other similar Acme modules to put this in context?) David Golden replied: > I think the module is offensive -- which is not inconsistent with it > trying to be funny Funny and offensive is sometimes a fine line. I'm > not saying it needs to be yanked -- I don't support censoring "bad > thoughts". I would rather see the author withdraw it voluntarily. > Even in Acme, I'd rather see the Perl community trying to be inclusive > and not make jokes at anyone's expense. I think the module is funny, and I don't find it offensive at all. To whom is it offensive? Nigerians that are ashamed of what their fellow countrymen are doing? Well, they should be, and should put a stop to it. Consider Jeff Foxworthy making fun of rednecks. How is that different? Nearly all humor offends someone. F*** 'em if they can't take a joke. Go out and by a thicker skin. As the module doesn't border on a hate crime, I see not reason to even suggest that the author consider a voluntary withdrawal. > People do remember Alias' ill-considered Acme::Playmate talk, right? > (And his very responsible apology afterwards, too) > http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Acme::Playmate_talk Again, a few people that can't take a joke. You can't please all the people all the time. (Just my opinion. Take it with a big grain of salt.) BTW, here's a joke for you: Where do you find a turtle with no legs? Right where you left it! I'm sure I'll piss off a few animal lovers with that one. ;)
Re: Weekend entertainment
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Jerry D. Hedden wrote: > Consider Jeff Foxworthy making fun of rednecks. How is that different? (Apologies if "redneck" jokes are too obscure for the non-Americans reading this thread.) Jeff Foxworthy is a comedian. (Damn good one, too!) But his comedic persona is that of a redneck, so his comedy is less offensive because he is poking fun at himself. And his redneck jokes are defined by behaviors and circumstance, not geography or innate characteristics of people. E.g. from his site today: "You might be a redneck if your Christmas ornaments are made out of spent shot-gun shells." (And maybe I'm guilty of stereotyping, but I suspect that Jörg Walter is not a Nigerian spammer.) > As the module doesn't border on a hate crime, I see not reason to even > suggest that the author consider a voluntary withdrawal. I meant only that I would hope the author's attitude would be "oops, sorry, I was trying to be funny and didn't mean to offend anyone" which I think is just a decent way to treat other human beings. > Again, a few people that can't take a joke. You can't please all the > people all the time. So true. -- David
Re: Weekend entertainment
On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 6:51 AM, David Landgren wrote: > I wanted to share this... Some people have no sense of humour. This came up > on the cont...@perl.org queue. > > (I shall compose a message saying Acme is fun, etc. etc. Can anyone point me > to other similar Acme modules to put this in context?) I think the module is offensive -- which is not inconsistent with it trying to be funny Funny and offensive is sometimes a fine line. I'm not saying it needs to be yanked -- I don't support censoring "bad thoughts". I would rather see the author withdraw it voluntarily. Even in Acme, I'd rather see the Perl community trying to be inclusive and not make jokes at anyone's expense. People do remember Alias' ill-considered Acme::Playmate talk, right? (And his very responsible apology afterwards, too) http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Acme::Playmate_talk -- David
Live Rabid!
Hi, If for some reason you have managed to avoid this elsewhere I thought I would make a suggestion for your entertainment this coming Thursday. On Thursday 19th November I will be playing (as Rabid Gravy) the usual noise with beats in it at: Alter Ega 191 Balham High Road London SW17 Also on the bill is EdMan playing songs from his album "Dodgy Guru". Those of you who were at my stag do will have met Ed. It's free entry and from 19:00 to 20:00 there is a "Happy Hour" with half price drinks at the bar. Apparently the food there is rather good too. Think of it as an extraordinary type of emergency social :-) It would be great to see a good crowd of you there. The obligatory interweb stuff: Alter Ega: http://www.alterega.com/ Event on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=164514314794 Event on Myspace: http://event.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=events.detail&eventID=517290.37668 Event on Songkick: http://www.songkick.com/concerts/3028611-edman-at-alter-ega-bar Hope to see you on Thursday.
Re: New www.perl.org site
2009/11/15 Simon Elliott > >> I wasn't aware of iSFR. Now I am. > >> > > typeface.js (http://typeface.neocracy.org/) is generally considered a > better solution these days. > Woo - that looks interesting - will have a play thanks. Leo
