Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
i am moving out of the london.pm area, into a broadband wasteland in PA17 5DA, where the nearest exchange is here: http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WSWEM What, in the option of London.pm would be my least lame broadband option? Andrew
Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
I'm a long term user/fan of Zen (http://www.zen.co.uk). While not the cheapest they have terrific customer support and reliability. -- Michael On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Andrew Beattie and...@tug.com wrote: i am moving out of the london.pm area, into a broadband wasteland in PA17 5DA, where the nearest exchange is here: http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WSWEM What, in the option of London.pm would be my least lame broadband option? Andrew
Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
I've been with bethere for phone and broadband for a while and never had any major problem. J. On 30 August 2012 08:18, Michael Lush mjl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm a long term user/fan of Zen (http://www.zen.co.uk). While not the cheapest they have terrific customer support and reliability. -- Michael On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:15 AM, Andrew Beattie and...@tug.com wrote: i am moving out of the london.pm area, into a broadband wasteland in PA17 5DA, where the nearest exchange is here: http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WSWEM What, in the option of London.pm would be my least lame broadband option? Andrew -- Jerome Eteve. jerome.et...@gmail.com
Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
On 30/08/2012 10:16, Jérôme Étévé wrote: I've been with bethere for phone and broadband for a while and never had any major problem. The page at the foot of the link http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WSWEM in the OP's question shows that O2/Be doesn't have service at the OP's exchange. Bill
Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
On 30 August 2012 07:15, Andrew Beattie and...@tug.com wrote: i am moving out of the london.pm area, into a broadband wasteland in PA17 5DA, where the nearest exchange is here: http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WSWEM What, in the option of London.pm would be my least lame broadband option? *slaps head*. Follow the link here! It's just *possible* that he's interested in either BT *or* one of the LLU providers on that exchange, of where there are only the 2 ISPs he's mentioned have a presence there.? I've been with Sky in the past as a customer: they're not going to be able to have any extras, and their customer service line has taken ages to get to talk to a human in the past (they were surprisingly un-apologetic for this when I did talk to them eventually), but if you're also getting TV off them then broadband is likely to be at a discount. Performance seemed good, but this depends on distance from the exchange. Dominic -- Nonnullus unus commodo reddo is mihi. ABC*D1EFGHIJK2.LMNO3*4PQRST*ITUBE-STANDARD-ANTI-BULLSHEIT-EMAIL*U.56X
Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
Hello From: Michael Lush mjl...@gmail.com To: London.pm Perl M[ou]ngers london.pm@london.pm.org Sent: Thursday, 30 August, 2012 8:18:12 AM Subject: Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband? I'm a long term user/fan of Zen (http://www.zen.co.uk). While not the cheapest they have terrific customer support and reliability. +1, I have been with them for nearly a decade. -- Martin A. Brooks http://antibodyMX.net/ - antispam antivirus email filtering.
Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
On 30/08/2012 07:15, Andrew Beattie wrote: i am moving out of the london.pm area, into a broadband wasteland in PA17 5DA, where the nearest exchange is here: http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WSWEM What, in the option of London.pm would be my least lame broadband option? Your options appear to be: Sky TalkTalk Any provider that re-sells BT Wholesale ADSL services. Yes, I can see your point. That's quite a tricky and annoying choice and I don't envy you. Still, better than some places (WMBIS) where it's BTW-20CN-ADSL-1 or nothing. WSWEM has 21CN so on BTW you should be able to get ADSL2+. Which? has assessed satisfaction ratings for some relevant providers as: Zen 84% PlusNet 73% Sky 51% BT 46% TalkTalk 40% Orange 37% AOL 28% So I think you might want to rule out TalkTalk. (I mentioned Orange and AOL just to illustrate where the, er, least satisfying players were sitting.) Choosing between the other two is more tricky though. If you want a technical style service, you could go for AAISP (includes native IPv6!) or Zen, though you will tend to have to pay more per gigabyte. Sky ought to be better for being cheaper per gigabye transferred because they're LLU and so not tied to BTW's exhorbitant backhaul rates, though you'd be be getting into bed with a provider rated at 51% satisfaction. It's not the worst, but it's not brilliant. If you want a good satisfaction rating AND fairly cheap then you could do worse than PlusNet (73%). Though their middle-of-the-range package allows (only) 60GB per month. That may be enough, though if you regularly do a lot of traffic, this may not be your best option. Bill
Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
Sky have been rock solid for me in NW1. I went with them largely because they have the old Easynet unbundled infrastructure. I get 10MB/s that doesn't drop off in the evening. We get our phone line from them too. It's also nice to have free The Cloud wifi when out and about. And as mentioned, if you want TV, then they'll bundle it with discounts and probably give you 3 or 6 months half price. Or something depending on the weather. I blame pfig. On 30 Aug 2012, at 07:15, Andrew Beattie and...@tug.com wrote: i am moving out of the london.pm area, into a broadband wasteland in PA17 5DA, where the nearest exchange is here: http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/WSWEM What, in the option of London.pm would be my least lame broadband option? Andrew
Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
On 30 Aug 2012, at 10:57, William Blunn wrote: [...] If you want a technical style service, you could go for AAISP (includes native IPv6!) or Zen, though you will tend to have to pay more per gigabyte. AAISP's marginal cost per gigabyte[0] is only slightly more expensive than Zen in the day, substantially cheaper off-peak, and as good as free overnight. Zen's packages just include a large number of cheap inclusive gigabytes to be used at any time of day. So if the choice is between Zen and AAISP, you pick Zen if you expect to cane it during the day, AAISP if you do it on evenings and weekends. A typical user is unlikely to notice much in it either way. [0] For modern BT-provided access technologies. If you're stuck with a 20CN line, daytime is twice as expensive, with Be it's a quarter of the price.
Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
On 30 Aug 2012, at 10:57, William Blunn bill+london...@blunn.org wrote: If you want a technical style service, you could go for AAISP I might go with them just on the strength of their website.I just looked at http://www.aa.net.uk/broadband.html and found them talking about ADSL1, ADSL2+, FTTC, FTTP, LLU and BT back-haul. What a breath of fresh air! Andrew
Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
On 30 Aug 2012, at 13:42, Andrew Beattie and...@tug.com wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 10:57, William Blunn bill+london...@blunn.org wrote: If you want a technical style service, you could go for AAISP I might go with them just on the strength of their website.I just looked at http://www.aa.net.uk/broadband.html and found them talking about ADSL1, ADSL2+, FTTC, FTTP, LLU and BT back-haul. What a breath of fresh air! Speaking as a satisfied customer, you could do a lot worse. Also, their support staff have clues, rather than scripts, and their support-over-irc is pretty decent.
Re: Which sucks least? Sky, Talktalk to BT broadband?
I'm with them. No issues. You can configure pretty much everything from their web systems. Only drawback IMHO: support during office hours only. Not that I've ever actually needed it... oh- and price: they were not cheap last I checked. But they remain the only ISP that ever picked the phone (a long time ago) to enquire if all was well when I was doing some work in the house, and the line kept going up and down. Sent from my iPhone On 30 Aug 2012, at 21:42, Andrew Beattie and...@tug.com wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 10:57, William Blunn bill+london...@blunn.org wrote: If you want a technical style service, you could go for AAISP I might go with them just on the strength of their website.I just looked at http://www.aa.net.uk/broadband.html and found them talking about ADSL1, ADSL2+, FTTC, FTTP, LLU and BT back-haul. What a breath of fresh air! Andrew
Who made the law?
Where is the usage policy of #london.pm IRC channel. At least two people got kicked today, one for what has been traditional banter for the last ten years, and another for questioning that kick. Without agreed guidelines this is arbitrary. Is this what we do these days?
Re: Who made the law?
On 30 Aug 2012, at 18:47, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Where is the usage policy of #london.pm IRC channel. At least two people got kicked today, one for what has been traditional banter for the last ten years, and another for questioning that kick. Without agreed guidelines this is arbitrary. Is this what we do these days? This is always what we have done.
Re: Who made the law?
On Thursday, 30 August 2012 at 14:14, Ash Berlin wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 18:47, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Where is the usage policy of #london.pm IRC channel. We don't have one. We should have one. And not just for irc, but for the mailing lists and for real live events. Here, let me write one (or at least steal one.) Here's the nutshell version, stolen from Tim O'Reilly, which was stolen from Flickr. Don’t be creepy. You know the guy. Don't be that guy. Here's my longer drawn out version, stolen from YAPC::NA's code of conduct. Comments on this are genuinely welcome, and I'll leave it to the current London.pm leader to make a call on what exactly we should adopt (if anything) Code of Conduct 1. Purpose London.pm believes our community should be truly open for everyone. As such, we are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, religion, preferred operating system, programming language, or text editor. This code of conduct outlines our expectations for participant behavior as well as the consequences for unacceptable behavior. We invite all posters to the mailing list, members of the irc channels, event attendees, London.pm t-shirt wearers and other participants in the London.pm community to help us realise a safe and positive experience for everyone. 2. Expected Behavior Be considerate, respectful, and collaborative. Refrain from demeaning, discriminatory or harassing behavior, speech, and electronic communication. Be aware that what may be mild banter to you might be perceived as demeaning, discriminatory or harassing behavior to other members or potential members of the wider London.pm community. Be mindful of your surroundings and of your fellow participants. Alert the London.pm leaders (part or present,) or event organisers if you notice a dangerous situation or someone in distress. Participate in an authentic and active way. In doing so, you help to improve the London.pm community. 3. Unacceptable Behavior Unacceptable behaviors include: intimidating, harassing, abusive, discriminatory, derogatory or demeaning conduct on the mailing lists, irc channels and while attending London.pm events and related events. Be aware London.pm venues may be shared with members of the public; please be respectful to all patrons of these locations. Be aware that electronic communications are effectively archived forever and are accessible to the public and therefore become the public face of London.pm. Harassment includes: offensive verbal comments related to gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, disability; inappropriate use of nudity and/or sexual images in public spaces (including presentation slides); deliberate intimidation, stalking or following; harassing photography or recording; sustained disruption of talks or other events; inappropriate physical contact, and unwelcome sexual attention. 4. Consequences of Unacceptable Behavior Unacceptable behavior will not be tolerated by anyone associated with the London.pm community. Anyone asked to stop unacceptable behavior is expected to comply immediately. If a participant engages in unacceptable behavior, the London.pm leaders (past and present,) event organisers, or any person delegated responsibility by the aforementioned may take any action they deem appropriate, up to and including permanent expulsion from the event, mailing list or irc channel. 5. What to do if you witness or are subject to unacceptable behavior If you are subject to unacceptable behavior, notice that someone else is being subject to unacceptable behavior, or have any other concerns, please notify a London.pm leader (past or present,) event organiser, or any person delegated to handle this task by the aforementioned as soon as possible. These people will be available to help participants contact law enforcement, and in the case of in-person events contact venue security, to provide escorts, or to otherwise assist those experiencing unacceptable behavior to feel safe for the duration of the event. Members of the London.pm community are encouraged to bring these matters to the attention of the London.pm leaders, event organisers, and delegated representatives rather then dealing with issues solely themselves so matters can be dealt with properly in a manner that does not expose those members to accusations of personal vendettas. Issues of harassment are important, and as such we are keen that issues are seen to be dealt with at a community wide level. 6. Scope We expect all people participating in the London.pm community, be it in person or through electronic communication, to abide by this code of conduct whenever they participate in the London.pm community. 7. Contact info lea...@london.pm.org 8. License and attribution Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Adapted from the YAPC::NA community
Re: Who made the law?
On 30 August 2012 21:28, Mark Fowler m...@twoshortplanks.com wrote: On Thursday, 30 August 2012 at 14:14, Ash Berlin wrote: On 30 Aug 2012, at 18:47, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Where is the usage policy of #london.pm IRC channel. We don't have one. We should have one. And not just for irc, but for the mailing lists and for real live events. Here, let me write one (or at least steal one.) Here's the nutshell version, stolen from Tim O'Reilly, which was stolen from Flickr. Don’t be creepy. You know the guy. Don't be that guy. Here's my longer drawn out version, stolen from YAPC::NA's code of conduct. Comments on this are genuinely welcome, and I'll leave it to the current London.pm leader to make a call on what exactly we should adopt (if anything) Code of Conduct 1. Purpose London.pm believes our community should be truly open for everyone. As such, we are committed to providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all, regardless of gender, sexual orientation, disability, ethnicity, religion, preferred operating system, programming language, or text editor. This code of conduct outlines our expectations for participant behavior as well as the consequences for unacceptable behavior. We invite all posters to the mailing list, members of the irc channels, event attendees, London.pm t-shirt wearers and other participants in the London.pm community to help us realise a safe and positive experience for everyone. 2. Expected Behavior Be considerate, respectful, and collaborative. Refrain from demeaning, discriminatory or harassing behavior, speech, and electronic communication. Be aware that what may be mild banter to you might be perceived as demeaning, discriminatory or harassing behavior to other members or potential members of the wider London.pm community. Be mindful of your surroundings and of your fellow participants. Alert the London.pm leaders (part or present,) or event organisers if you notice a dangerous situation or someone in distress. Participate in an authentic and active way. In doing so, you help to improve the London.pm community. 3. Unacceptable Behavior Unacceptable behaviors include: intimidating, harassing, abusive, discriminatory, derogatory or demeaning conduct on the mailing lists, irc channels and while attending London.pm events and related events. Be aware London.pm venues may be shared with members of the public; please be respectful to all patrons of these locations. Be aware that electronic communications are effectively archived forever and are accessible to the public and therefore become the public face of London.pm. Harassment includes: offensive verbal comments related to gender, sexual orientation, race, religion, disability; inappropriate use of nudity and/or sexual images in public spaces (including presentation slides); deliberate intimidation, stalking or following; harassing photography or recording; sustained disruption of talks or other events; inappropriate physical contact, and unwelcome sexual attention. 4. Consequences of Unacceptable Behavior Unacceptable behavior will not be tolerated by anyone associated with the London.pm community. Anyone asked to stop unacceptable behavior is expected to comply immediately. If a participant engages in unacceptable behavior, the London.pm leaders (past and present,) event organisers, or any person delegated responsibility by the aforementioned may take any action they deem appropriate, up to and including permanent expulsion from the event, mailing list or irc channel. 5. What to do if you witness or are subject to unacceptable behavior If you are subject to unacceptable behavior, notice that someone else is being subject to unacceptable behavior, or have any other concerns, please notify a London.pm leader (past or present,) event organiser, or any person delegated to handle this task by the aforementioned as soon as possible. These people will be available to help participants contact law enforcement, and in the case of in-person events contact venue security, to provide escorts, or to otherwise assist those experiencing unacceptable behavior to feel safe for the duration of the event. Members of the London.pm community are encouraged to bring these matters to the attention of the London.pm leaders, event organisers, and delegated representatives rather then dealing with issues solely themselves so matters can be dealt with properly in a manner that does not expose those members to accusations of personal vendettas. Issues of harassment are important, and as such we are keen that issues are seen to be dealt with at a community wide level. 6. Scope We expect all people participating in the London.pm community, be it in person or through electronic communication, to abide by this code of conduct whenever they participate in the London.pm community. 7. Contact info
