Re: Agents part CCXXXIV
Many years ago, (more years than I care to compute) when I was a permy. I went out for a day with my boss to a company we were collaborating with. The day felt very odd and surreal. We were there to discuss a project and yet they seemed more interested in me, what projects I had worked on and my interests. More than just polite conversation. That evening I got in and there was a letter from an agent (that shows you how long it was ago) telling me that they had submitted (without my permission) my CV to the self-same company I had visited that very day! Needless to say I was furious, I had to phone the company and explain that the agent had sent my CV there without my permission and that there was no way that I would be willing to follow up with a second 'interview'. Very unprofessional and potentially very embarrassing since I had not yet told my boss that I was looking for another job. - icydee On 3 December 2012 07:44, Abigail abig...@abigail.be wrote: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 07:29:16AM +, Alan Mosca wrote: I just had an agent call me on my workplace's main line (the one that goes to reception and is published on the website).. This is definitely getting worse. What do people do in this situation? Abigail
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Re: Agents part CCXXXIV
On 3 Dec 2012, at 06:38, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote: one reason i ask my candidates where else they are being submitted is to avoid those duplications. Bullshit. You ask because you want to try and muscle in on those positions. If you really asked permission before submitting every time (as you claim later in your email) you'd never be in a position of double submission. Pimp standard trick #4. /j
Re: Agents part CCXXXIV
On 3 December 2012 12:05, James Laver james.la...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 Dec 2012, at 06:38, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote: one reason i ask my candidates where else they are being submitted is to avoid those duplications. Bullshit. You ask because you want to try and muscle in on those positions. If you really asked permission before submitting every time (as you claim later in your email) you'd never be in a position of double submission. Pimp standard trick #4. Belt and braces - if you ask somebody This cool role at X, do you want me to send your CV they'll not always remember or mention that they've already applied for a role there, if you ask where, you're more likely to avoid. I really can't see Uri pulling a trick like that, nor some of the other decent recruiters I've worked with (double submissions are bad for them both in immediate lost commision, and loss of reputation, where they're worked to establish some) There are probably plenty of recruiters who don't care and would try a trick like that but certainly not all, and certainly not a premium head-hunter like Uri. A. -- Aaron J Trevena, BSc Hons http://www.aarontrevena.co.uk LAMP System Integration, Development and Consulting
Re: Agents part CCXXXIV
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 12:58:14PM +, Aaron Trevena wrote: On 3 December 2012 12:05, James Laver james.la...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 Dec 2012, at 06:38, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote: one reason i ask my candidates where else they are being submitted is to avoid those duplications. Bullshit. You ask because you want to try and muscle in on those positions. If you really asked permission before submitting every time (as you claim later in your email) you'd never be in a position of double submission. Pimp standard trick #4. Belt and braces - if you ask somebody This cool role at X, do you want me to send your CV they'll not always remember or mention that they've already applied for a role there, if you ask where, you're more likely to avoid. I really can't see Uri pulling a trick like that, nor some of the other decent recruiters I've worked with (double submissions are bad for them both in immediate lost commision, and loss of reputation, where they're worked to establish some) I've had a recruiter ask me for exclusiveness (asking me not to apply anywhere without asking him, and not to use other recruiters in the mean time). I agreed because: - I was looking for a position, contacting his office - He asked for a week, promising three job *offers* (not just interviews) by the end of the week (on a Monday afternoon, promising offers by Friday). He did come through on his promises. Had my first interview the same evening, and by Friday morning, I did have three offers. And all three a good fit with my resume. And half a year later, when I bailed out of the job I picked, just before the company went bankrupt, he did the same thing for me. I contacted him on Monday, and by Friday I had three offers. He also promised me to never contact me with opportunities, and he indeed never did. Regards, Abigail
Re: Agents part CCXXXIV
On 12/03/2012 07:05 AM, James Laver wrote: On 3 Dec 2012, at 06:38, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote: one reason i ask my candidates where else they are being submitted is to avoid those duplications. Bullshit. You ask because you want to try and muscle in on those positions. If you really asked permission before submitting every time (as you claim later in your email) you'd never be in a position of double submission. Pimp standard trick #4. and you can read my mind? wow. too bad my tin foil hat foiled you. i have never tried to learn about open leads from my candidates. i get clients who come to me directly because of many other reasons including a pretty good rep for my work. as for asking permission, again you claim to know what you can't know. not a very logical way of thinking. you can think incorrectly if you want but calling out bullshit without knowing anything is just bullshit. you may hate all agents but don't put that on to me unless you have facts to prove it. i run a very ethical agency and have plenty of backing of that statement. uri
Re: Agents part CCXXXIV
On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 10:40:02AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote: On 12/03/2012 07:05 AM, James Laver wrote: one reason i ask my candidates where else they are being submitted is to avoid those duplications. Bullshit. You ask because you want to try and muscle in on those positions. If you really asked permission before submitting every time (as you claim later in your email) you'd never be in a position of double submission. Pimp standard trick #4. James, stop making unfounded rude accusations on this list. That kind of behaviour has no place here. and you can read my mind? wow. too bad my tin foil hat foiled you. i have never tried to learn about open leads from my candidates. Uri, I completely understand why you feel the need to defend yourself. However this list has a tendency to set itself alight from only the smallest spark. Let's all try to keep our focus on making this group the way we want it. Tom
Re: Agents part CCXXXIV
On 12/03/2012 04:51 PM, Tom Hukins wrote: On Mon, Dec 03, 2012 at 10:40:02AM -0500, Uri Guttman wrote: On 12/03/2012 07:05 AM, James Laver wrote: one reason i ask my candidates where else they are being submitted is to avoid those duplications. Bullshit. You ask because you want to try and muscle in on those positions. If you really asked permission before submitting every time (as you claim later in your email) you'd never be in a position of double submission. Pimp standard trick #4. James, stop making unfounded rude accusations on this list. That kind of behaviour has no place here. and you can read my mind? wow. too bad my tin foil hat foiled you. i have never tried to learn about open leads from my candidates. Uri, I completely understand why you feel the need to defend yourself. However this list has a tendency to set itself alight from only the smallest spark. Let's all try to keep our focus on making this group the way we want it. you said it for me. thanks. uri
